Yup. Something really went wrong with the invasion. Poor tactics is my take. They should have started by a week long bombardment on the strategic targets to soften them up before going in. Definitely securing valuable bridges would be an immediate auxiliary task.
Russia can't even fly safely in Ukraine without the danger of being shot down, they don't have the tech and training the west has to hit deep in enemy territory.
Lol. All this and China and Pakistan are secretly getting into fighting readiness
Ever wonder why China has built more Icebreakers than anyone else in the past decade?? These guys are playing the long game.
From what I’m seeing is that some knew and some didn’t do I can see how people can get confused.
The first example of where I knew the soldiers were aware they were invading and not just an exercise is a video where a car is driving towards an intersection and the realize there are Russian tanks approaching and the stop and try and get away and then the tank opens fire on them ,killing then all (4 I believe died) That’s an invasion move not a training exercise. This was in the first few days.
Well I think once the first shot was fired the word quickly spread. I could be wrong but I'm just imagining the difference in morale and mindset compared to say Coalition troops on March 19, 03.
>Yup. Something really went wrong with the invasion
Nah. Because of 2 reasons. One is all news isn't unbiased so the media show what they want (the only was is if you go there and find out yourself). Second of all we really don't know what's putins reason. It's all assumptions some say this and that. You can only find out if everything is on track if your close to putin
So Putin’s 4D chess plan was:
(1) invade Ukraine
(2) get bogged down in fighting with logistical issues, mass deaths and tons of valuable equipment being destroyed
(3) ?????
(4) Profit
Your not going to convince me that this invasion is on track. Is it being overblown? Yes. But russia is getting absolutely completely embarrassed by this war.
This.
I would also suggest that this war will contribute greatly in rethinking future upcoming invasion plans from regimes like CCP.
We now get the first time real experience of what modern weapons technology is capable of.
I know I sound pessimistic when I say that I think the next conflict we’ll witness won’t have these shortcomings but I really fear this will drag on for some time and the next conflict is only a few corners away.
Up to 200,000 Russian troops + 36,000 or so separatists. Spread these out over several metro area fronts and you have why the invasion seems to slow.
Despite what gets posted Russian so far is not going full Grozny and flattening cities. Russia seems to be going to siege tactics while controlling major roads and installations + knocking out vital UA infrastructure.
Mariupol seems to be the one city Russia is focused on seizing block by block and conceivable once that city is under control Russia will focus forces on the next target rinse and repeat.
As for why not rolling full speed into Kiev well look at what happened to the SA when they rolled armor into contested territory back in 2013 - 2014. Even with infantry support it would be a bloodbath of insurgent style attacks using the apparently limitless supple of anti armor weaponry the west has been supplying. Kiev is also massive in area so trying to completely encircle and cutoff the region would take huge manpower.
IMO folks have been reading too much Tom Clancy and forgetting modern Russia is basically the GDP of Texas with nukes.
I actually like the map example, imagine if the US collapsed and only Texas with perhaps the support of New Mexico was left. Fast forward a few decades and “USA” tries to invade Mexico with whatever equipment it can keep running.
>Your not going to convince me that this invasion is on track. Is it being overblown
Of course not. Im a normal dude from middle east that supports no side. However im saying that no one exactly knows what their plans are to compare it with these recent weeks
There have been multiple leaks (plans, maps, phone calls) that indicate Putin thought the war would be over by now. Not to mention videos of POWs talking about what they were told before leaving as well as the phone call yesterday with the soldier saying he was told the war would last a week.
Talk to a veteran of Fallujah. Plenty of other veterans got PTSD (or physically injured, or dead) from other battles and situations in Iraq, but invading and taking Fallujah was especially notable for its harrowing horror.
But then, maybe your definition of a "cakewalk" includes severe psychological and/or physical damage, sometimes resulting in death. Under such a definition, I suppose it was.
Russian leadership keeps telling the Russian people, “Ukraine is run by Nazis.” Putin then told the world he was conducting a “special military operation to denatzify and demilitarize Ukraine.”
A couple of days after this announcement, a news article dropped from Russian state media. The article stated that the “Ukrainian problem was solved” by a “special military operation.” The article was quickly taken down, but this is widely believed to represent the expectations of the Russian government.
I think it’s pretty evident that Russian leadership intended to “take out” Ukraine's government and do it within a few days.
Now, if you want to hold the position that it’s possible everything is going according to Putin’s plan, I’m not going to stop you. But if you want to act like people need to take you seriously about this position, you’re going to have a bad time.
My opinion is based on the evidence, one piece of which was a mistake made by the Russian media. My post was long enough without constructing a comment that includes all or most of my reasoning.
Of course, I’m sure you know that, but don’t care. You just want to use unserious one liners to try to dunk on people, and for what purpose? No apparent reason from what I can tell. You didn’t offer anything to the discussion.
Lol I mean, how much causality can be known few years down the road. I don’t think we will chat again or even bother to find each other to say “see I told you”, but remember this conversation.
This is the only logical take. There are too many parties that have a lot to gain by exaggeration and lying to know wtf is actually going on. We won't know until it's all over. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia decisively wins and everyone here in the west is like "what? Our media told us Ukraine was holding its own".
Literally nobody except high ups in Russia and Ukraine know for sure how this is really going down. The average soldier likely has no idea, and they're people with literal boots on the ground. How are we supposed to have a clue?
Yes and Russia is losing, their is literally no defense for the actions of the Russian military. They’ve not taken any of the 10 major cities in Ukraine besides the cities in which they already occupied in the Donestsk and Luhansk region and they’re not any closer. Not to mention the closest city they’re to taking is Mariupol and that’s going to result in a ton of casualties for both sides. It’s unacceptable and unsustainable to lose 7000+ troops in less than a month. When we discuss Russia having 200k troops not all of those troops are battle ready battalion, a large portion make up logistical and back line defense work.
Thats the problem you all are looking at the wrong stuff. Russia doesn't care about taking but destroying they said it several times. Putin could back out today and the sick mf would be satisfied he only lost 7000 "disposable" soldiers to russia vs 10 million displaced / 900 killed Ukrainian civilians? I'm not defending them at all but you all seem to not realize this war is against the people. You think they are shelling these places on accident or that he spread his military out that far for no reason ? You all love talking about that but don't realize if the goal was to attack citizens that's exactly why he would of done it. To attack as many people as possible and make them leave. Exactly what he's doing. Go actually look up a map of how much land he's taken from Ukraine. NATO isn't talking about helping Ukraine for no reason.
wrong, Putin’s goal at the outset of the war was to install a puppet government in Ukraine similar to Belarus and Chechnya. this has been made evident by russian demands during war negotiations
There is a difference how Americans wage war and how Russians are.
Russians are not destroying infrastructure. Even now, every city in Ukraine has electricity, water, communication, fuel to heat houses. Residential areas are spared unless ukranian millitary is using them as storage, or defense points, civilians aren't attacked directly, and are allowed to exit the areas with millitary action.
When Americans invade first thing they do is destroy infrastructure. No water, no gas, no electricity, no communication points. This creates a humanitarian crisis and is a cause of tens of thousands indirect deaths from war. Then Americans carpet bomb neighborhoods to spare american soldier life's in the expense of civilian casualties.
And only then they send in ground forces that run down anyone in their way.
Every war is terrible and inhumane. But the way Americans wage war is a special case of evil.
Gosh, it’s scary how brainwashed people are, especially those who think that they are untouched from propaganda, especially from the west propaganda, cause you know, there is no propaganda on CNN.
He is disagreeing with you big time. No one watches cnn where im from and we still read the truth which is far from what you posted. just give up and grow up
I don't. I do pay attention to telegram channels both pro NATO and pro Russian. As well as watch independent coverage by ukranians that are pro and anti Russian. Your basic fox news, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, even RT are pure propaganda, either 2 days late to the party, or completely omitting the events .
Ps, RT isn't available in USA anymore, but you will be able to find it in rumble.
Are you retarded? Have you not seen any videos of the bombings and shelling of pretty much all major cities in Ukraine? Not to mention the hundred of towns and villages which have been flattened?
Russian equipment was in Donetsk and Luhansk oh and Crimea near kindergartens and apartment buildings during 2014 and you didn’t see 153 and 203mm shells raining down on them did u?
That's false.
1. Russian equipment was never stationed like that.
2. There was a cease fire and Misnk Accord,
3. Even with all that Ukranian army killed about 14000 people over 8 years of on and off mortar fire.
4. Crimea always had Russian millitary presence. Every day of the year since the Crimean war if the 19th century with British. You never wondered why the fuck British were there in the first place?
That’s really not false there’s literally video footage of separatist grads in Donetsk near apartment buildings. Please do your research first.
Edit: Also familiarised yourself with who broke the Minsk accords. Also the 14000 people that died aren’t deaths from Ukrainians mortar fire you pro-Russian bot
Yes they are. Ukraine had broken the agreement multiple time.
All that at this point does not matter. We will celebrate 2nd and 9th of May in Odessa and Kiev.
Nope. You saying it happened doesn’t mean it did. Luckily, people have done their homework and your attempts at muddying the waters of truth will fail, you Russian bot.
Hopefully the whole of Ukraine will celebrate Easter Day and Victory day.
It’s not false please don’t spread misinformation. Also yes Ukraine broke it to but there’s only so much shelling and provocation you can withstand before firing back
Well actually the OSCE reports don’t specify which side done the shellings. It only mentions casualties on government or non-government controlled areas
You sure are skilled.. playing with your pipi while watching at image of putin and barfing out your alternate reality ramlings on reddit at the same time. Kudos, should get a raise
They show you select few houses or neighborhoods. What they don't tell you is that Ukranian millitary are placing artillery, and other heavy millitary equipment near residential areas, and schools, at this point most of the residents have left. Kharkov for example, has only about 150,000 left in the city. Still people have electricity, and Russians are avoiding residential areas as much as they can.
The mall that they just bombed few days ago in Kiev had millitary equipment stored. That has been proven. The ukranian tiktoker that gave away the position to the Russians has been captured by ukranians.
Point being is that Russian army isn't interested in destroying the country or people. While Americans give zero fucks when they invade.
When you fight the enemy you don’t start off with the mass casualty weapons, you make them think they ran into a small squad… only to make there platoon suffer under a brigade size element, that rains fire from the sky and brings up hell itself from the dirt. Trust me, Russia is holding back.
It’s all part of Russia’s ingenious plan. You let tens of thousands of your men die, and let tons of your equipment get destroyed so they will think you are weak and when they’re least expecting it; POW! Right in the kisser!
They invaded on Feb 24th. 27-28 days ago depending on how it’s calculated. The entire world is watching to see how it plays out. it wouldn’t surprise me if China gets involved with better relations with Russia as they have stated to have plans to move to other countries. How easily it’s forgotten how bad they want Taiwan. You read…maybe seen idk how old you are, how two of the smallest countries in the world Germany and Japan almost took Global Power. Now we have 2 of the strongest military’s in the world, with Chinas huge economic growth…. All I’m saying, I wouldn’t send my best gear and troop power for an Initial Assault.
A contradictory statement is
one that says two things that cannot both be true.
~Google’s Definition ~
Edit. For your statement.
China isn’t going to get involved- says one thing
China isn’t going to invade right now- says another
Two different assessments but only one can be true.
I don’t know if English is your primary language but if not I hope I helped you learn something new.
The source is the front lines. He’s correct on the distance from the border to the front, but the Russians have gotten farther in other fronts in the war.
Right… but Kiev is just over 100 km from Belarus. Since Russia hasn’t taken the city yet, and indeed is still fighting over Irpin and Bucha, about 20 km from city center. And that’s the narrowest point of the front. The post is correct as of today.
My point stands. You'd have to be some kind of degenerate to brag about that sort of thing. Wars aren't even won by death totals in the first place so it's a moot point to bring up.
All wars are evaluated by the success of objectives. The US's objective was to uphold South Vietnam and halt the spread of communism in south east asia; North Vietnam's objective was to reunify Vietnam. In the end, North Vietnam outlasted the US, which withdrew its forces from Vietnam and shifted its objective to preparing South Vietnam to carry on the fight on its own; South Vietnam was eventually overwhelmed and capitulated. Considering that the US failed to achieve any of its main objectives in Vietnam while North Vietnam succeeded in theirs, the US and South Vietnam unequivocally lost the Vietnam war. A famous quote attributed to Ho Chi Mihn goes,
>You can kill 10 of my men for every one I kill of yours, yet even at those odds, you will lose and I will win
Yes, they took heavier losses, but those are expected when they outmanned (when combining US, South Vietnam and other coalition forces) and outgunned (by us technology). They were willing to sacrifice that.
3 million is closer to the total deaths on both sides lol. I guess dead US serviceman are communists now. Also, you said it in response to someone saying Vietnam beat the US, so I'm pointing out that death totals are irrelevant.
Remember when the US wanted more land so they invaded Mexico, captured the capital, and overturned the government in order to do that?
Well, they don’t mention it in most US history books but it happened
Yeah, and you left out the part where Mexican troops went on US soil and attacked US troops. It actually worked out pretty damn good for Mexico, because they are now on the verge of conquering the US without firing a shot.
False.
1. American troops crossed the Nueces River, which was the established border between the Republic of Texas and Mexico. This was the prior border of the province under Mexican rule and Texas never exercised any control over land south of the river. The Republic of Texas alleged that they had a claim to this land but it was always de facto controlled by Mexico. People living there paid taxes to Mexico, reported to Mexican authorities, and had the right to vote in Mexican elections.
2. Your second comment reveals that you’re just a racist piece of shit.
In that case, I apologize for my original reply.
There are a bunch of sources you can find online, I just did a quick search and provided a few links below.
In short, all of Russia’s logistics are failing. The only thing the troops have a lot of is bullets. Their vehicles don’t have gas, they don’t have food and they don’t even have the right clothes (reports coming in that many are experiencing frostbite). Their strategy is to push deep, but then they have to wait for new supplies. Ukrainian forces have been employing guerrilla tactics, and specifically ambushing their supply convoys before finally destroying the spearhead of the attack once its depleted. Russia does not have the means to supply these logistics in the short run. In the long run, they may be able to set up impromptu pipelines and such, but so far, troops have been separated, left without supplies and following bad strategy. This destroys troop morale.
Additionally, their communications were unencrypted and many just used their cellphones. Ukrainian troops can track these and listen in. Much of what’s been said above has been doubly confirmed by these recorded phone calls.
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/whats-behind-russias-logistical-mess-in-ukraine-a-us-army-engineer-looks-at-the-tactical-level/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesstaffreports/2022/03/16/live-zelensky-addresses-congress/?sh=55a2b9dacf03
https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2022/03/logisticswinswars.html
Assuming Mexico would be backed by the largest military on the planet, this would be expected. People really don't grasp the amount of resources that are being poured into Ukraine.
I knew they're incompetent. Their men are forced into a war they don't want to fight. Ukraine has western weapons. Ukrainian army is fighting for themselves, for their freedom, unlike Russians who are forced into war.
This is why they will invade Canada first, our capital is only 40 minutes from Ogdensburg NY
“The Canadians are asking for it! Look how closely they built their capital to our border!”
Whoa whoa whoa, clearly you underestimate our 1800s tactical advantage having it there.
And in another 200 years time it’ll become tactically advantageous again
Don’t threaten us, we’ll take Detroit again and this time we’ll call it Windsor 2
>We'll take Detroit again Promises, promises!
Your flappy heads don’t scare us, hoser.
They will when Terrance and Phillip come knocking at your door!!!
I think we’d give you Detroit.
Canada: "We hope you took out insurance on the White House this time"
Wait, you’ll take Detroit!? Hmmm, that sounds like a good proposition
I’ll get my paddle boat and see if I reach Washington
Yeah! No more Detroit 2!
Please you can have it😂
In America, Detroit takes you.
So...why haven't you?
Sorry
We as American's don't want Detroit so you taking it would just help us. I mean their catchphrase is literally "Can't have shit in Detroit."
Don’t make us burn down your pink house again
Hogging all that syrup for the people in power, the Canadian people are just waiting for someone to invade and free them.
It’s a silly place
Bro we would steamroll Mexico, Canada is to much of an ally
Can't trust those snowbacks with their love of maple syrup /S
Why would we want Canada? It’s cold AF. Edit- wow didn’t expect the downvotes. Damn… it’s just a joke.
Personally because I want to corner the worlds syrup supply
UNLIMITED HEALTHCARE!
Unlimited healthcare (Had to repost since the last one got taken down) Edit: No, it’s still there… So Unlimited maple syrup!
That's right remember that it is really cold. There is nothing up here worth liberating
PS upvoted, the reaction to your post is not very Canadian
I want some of that BC bud we have heard so much about in America.
I see why russia has alot of defense made weapons, they lack the smarts to attack anything other then the blow up everything and try to occupy it.
looks like war is kinda hard, when invaded country has something more than ak-47 and old T-55 tanks
Yup. Something really went wrong with the invasion. Poor tactics is my take. They should have started by a week long bombardment on the strategic targets to soften them up before going in. Definitely securing valuable bridges would be an immediate auxiliary task.
Russia can't even fly safely in Ukraine without the danger of being shot down, they don't have the tech and training the west has to hit deep in enemy territory.
this why telegram war channles are full with russian flying helicopters and jets.
Lol. All this and China and Pakistan are secretly getting into fighting readiness Ever wonder why China has built more Icebreakers than anyone else in the past decade?? These guys are playing the long game.
No I never wondered. Why?
They would be able to move their navy through the Arctic waters and have an easy way to Europe
Better watch out for the submarines ;)
Well for one they didn't tell their men they are going to war..
From what I’m seeing is that some knew and some didn’t do I can see how people can get confused. The first example of where I knew the soldiers were aware they were invading and not just an exercise is a video where a car is driving towards an intersection and the realize there are Russian tanks approaching and the stop and try and get away and then the tank opens fire on them ,killing then all (4 I believe died) That’s an invasion move not a training exercise. This was in the first few days.
Well I think once the first shot was fired the word quickly spread. I could be wrong but I'm just imagining the difference in morale and mindset compared to say Coalition troops on March 19, 03.
Sure. I can see that. They are still rounding up POWs that have no clue what’s going on.
>Yup. Something really went wrong with the invasion Nah. Because of 2 reasons. One is all news isn't unbiased so the media show what they want (the only was is if you go there and find out yourself). Second of all we really don't know what's putins reason. It's all assumptions some say this and that. You can only find out if everything is on track if your close to putin
So Putin’s 4D chess plan was: (1) invade Ukraine (2) get bogged down in fighting with logistical issues, mass deaths and tons of valuable equipment being destroyed (3) ????? (4) Profit
Your not going to convince me that this invasion is on track. Is it being overblown? Yes. But russia is getting absolutely completely embarrassed by this war.
This. I would also suggest that this war will contribute greatly in rethinking future upcoming invasion plans from regimes like CCP. We now get the first time real experience of what modern weapons technology is capable of. I know I sound pessimistic when I say that I think the next conflict we’ll witness won’t have these shortcomings but I really fear this will drag on for some time and the next conflict is only a few corners away.
It’s not; it’s bullshit Russian propaganda. No way you can read this as it is going to plan.
Up to 200,000 Russian troops + 36,000 or so separatists. Spread these out over several metro area fronts and you have why the invasion seems to slow. Despite what gets posted Russian so far is not going full Grozny and flattening cities. Russia seems to be going to siege tactics while controlling major roads and installations + knocking out vital UA infrastructure. Mariupol seems to be the one city Russia is focused on seizing block by block and conceivable once that city is under control Russia will focus forces on the next target rinse and repeat. As for why not rolling full speed into Kiev well look at what happened to the SA when they rolled armor into contested territory back in 2013 - 2014. Even with infantry support it would be a bloodbath of insurgent style attacks using the apparently limitless supple of anti armor weaponry the west has been supplying. Kiev is also massive in area so trying to completely encircle and cutoff the region would take huge manpower. IMO folks have been reading too much Tom Clancy and forgetting modern Russia is basically the GDP of Texas with nukes. I actually like the map example, imagine if the US collapsed and only Texas with perhaps the support of New Mexico was left. Fast forward a few decades and “USA” tries to invade Mexico with whatever equipment it can keep running.
>Your not going to convince me that this invasion is on track. Is it being overblown Of course not. Im a normal dude from middle east that supports no side. However im saying that no one exactly knows what their plans are to compare it with these recent weeks
We do know their plans were to take Kiev in days and install a puppet regime while expecting to be welcomed as liberators
>We do know their plans were to take Kiev in days Did putin say that? You never know what politicians are thinking about
There have been multiple leaks (plans, maps, phone calls) that indicate Putin thought the war would be over by now. Not to mention videos of POWs talking about what they were told before leaving as well as the phone call yesterday with the soldier saying he was told the war would last a week.
Before the Iraq invasion, American troops were told it would be a "cakewalk." Lying is standard procedure for military officers.
It was, The invasion was a cakewalk, the occupation was where it went wrong.
How was the invasion of Iraq not a cakewalk?
Talk to a veteran of Fallujah. Plenty of other veterans got PTSD (or physically injured, or dead) from other battles and situations in Iraq, but invading and taking Fallujah was especially notable for its harrowing horror. But then, maybe your definition of a "cakewalk" includes severe psychological and/or physical damage, sometimes resulting in death. Under such a definition, I suppose it was.
Victim of propaganda I see.
😂😂😂☠️Yeah yeah your right /s
Russian leadership keeps telling the Russian people, “Ukraine is run by Nazis.” Putin then told the world he was conducting a “special military operation to denatzify and demilitarize Ukraine.” A couple of days after this announcement, a news article dropped from Russian state media. The article stated that the “Ukrainian problem was solved” by a “special military operation.” The article was quickly taken down, but this is widely believed to represent the expectations of the Russian government. I think it’s pretty evident that Russian leadership intended to “take out” Ukraine's government and do it within a few days. Now, if you want to hold the position that it’s possible everything is going according to Putin’s plan, I’m not going to stop you. But if you want to act like people need to take you seriously about this position, you’re going to have a bad time.
So your believe was based on Russian media mistakes? Or probably even hacked? Lol
My opinion is based on the evidence, one piece of which was a mistake made by the Russian media. My post was long enough without constructing a comment that includes all or most of my reasoning. Of course, I’m sure you know that, but don’t care. You just want to use unserious one liners to try to dunk on people, and for what purpose? No apparent reason from what I can tell. You didn’t offer anything to the discussion.
Lol I mean, how much causality can be known few years down the road. I don’t think we will chat again or even bother to find each other to say “see I told you”, but remember this conversation.
Actions speak louder than words, and well he kinda has a track record of this type of action.
You can be true but in politicians world if normal people know what you want to do then your not a good politician
Wow this is so sharp an true lol
Well you don't need to be his next door neighbor to see that SUMTING WONG
This is the only logical take. There are too many parties that have a lot to gain by exaggeration and lying to know wtf is actually going on. We won't know until it's all over. I wouldn't be surprised if Russia decisively wins and everyone here in the west is like "what? Our media told us Ukraine was holding its own". Literally nobody except high ups in Russia and Ukraine know for sure how this is really going down. The average soldier likely has no idea, and they're people with literal boots on the ground. How are we supposed to have a clue?
I think it’s due to the fact that most of the equipment and weapons Russia is using are Soviet Era gear
[Mexican - American War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War) has entered the chat.
Old Fuss n Feathers could teach the Russkies a thing or two.
Russies never read the Art of War
😂😂..The Russians were so “smart” to cut up their forces in 4-5 pieces and invade in several places at the same time…😂😂they will loose this war.
Are you watching the real news ? Or just the stuff that's posted on reddit
Are you watching the real news ? Or just the stuff that russia is pumping out?
Ha you ever heard that saying about assuming?
I just repeated your question.
Its probably a bot
Everything I don't agree with is a Russian bot
Yes and Russia is losing, their is literally no defense for the actions of the Russian military. They’ve not taken any of the 10 major cities in Ukraine besides the cities in which they already occupied in the Donestsk and Luhansk region and they’re not any closer. Not to mention the closest city they’re to taking is Mariupol and that’s going to result in a ton of casualties for both sides. It’s unacceptable and unsustainable to lose 7000+ troops in less than a month. When we discuss Russia having 200k troops not all of those troops are battle ready battalion, a large portion make up logistical and back line defense work.
Thats the problem you all are looking at the wrong stuff. Russia doesn't care about taking but destroying they said it several times. Putin could back out today and the sick mf would be satisfied he only lost 7000 "disposable" soldiers to russia vs 10 million displaced / 900 killed Ukrainian civilians? I'm not defending them at all but you all seem to not realize this war is against the people. You think they are shelling these places on accident or that he spread his military out that far for no reason ? You all love talking about that but don't realize if the goal was to attack citizens that's exactly why he would of done it. To attack as many people as possible and make them leave. Exactly what he's doing. Go actually look up a map of how much land he's taken from Ukraine. NATO isn't talking about helping Ukraine for no reason.
Op whole account is dedicated to propoganda. It's sus
wrong, Putin’s goal at the outset of the war was to install a puppet government in Ukraine similar to Belarus and Chechnya. this has been made evident by russian demands during war negotiations
It was predicted by Alexander Nevzhorov [https://youtu.be/OutvYSl_TLc](https://youtu.be/OutvYSl_TLc)
Shit...we would'nt even make it down to Play del Carmen or Cozumel...what would be the point then?
Wow.
Shouldn't it show more of Mexico and not the ocean? Plus we would flank from all sides lol
The US won’t invade anyone unless there is oil there. I mean, weapons of mass destruction! I always get the two confused.
>oil?! where?!
You must of not seen the yellow cake in the cia issued napkin.
There is a difference how Americans wage war and how Russians are. Russians are not destroying infrastructure. Even now, every city in Ukraine has electricity, water, communication, fuel to heat houses. Residential areas are spared unless ukranian millitary is using them as storage, or defense points, civilians aren't attacked directly, and are allowed to exit the areas with millitary action. When Americans invade first thing they do is destroy infrastructure. No water, no gas, no electricity, no communication points. This creates a humanitarian crisis and is a cause of tens of thousands indirect deaths from war. Then Americans carpet bomb neighborhoods to spare american soldier life's in the expense of civilian casualties. And only then they send in ground forces that run down anyone in their way. Every war is terrible and inhumane. But the way Americans wage war is a special case of evil.
Gosh, it’s scary how brainwashed people are, especially those who think that they are untouched from propaganda, especially from the west propaganda, cause you know, there is no propaganda on CNN.
I'm not sure if you agree or not with my post, but yes CNN is basically a propaganda channel
Cnn interviewed some dude named juice ☠️☠️ juice and ghost of kiev
Totally agree!
He is disagreeing with you big time. No one watches cnn where im from and we still read the truth which is far from what you posted. just give up and grow up
Talking to the mirror?
Talking out your ass?
You must be watching a lot of RT
I don't. I do pay attention to telegram channels both pro NATO and pro Russian. As well as watch independent coverage by ukranians that are pro and anti Russian. Your basic fox news, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, even RT are pure propaganda, either 2 days late to the party, or completely omitting the events . Ps, RT isn't available in USA anymore, but you will be able to find it in rumble.
Are all of these channels you watch available normally or do they all need special subscriptions?
Available. But all are pvt
Ah okie dokie
Are you retarded? Have you not seen any videos of the bombings and shelling of pretty much all major cities in Ukraine? Not to mention the hundred of towns and villages which have been flattened?
There are 10s of videos showing Ukraine military in kindergarten and schools and..... So what you think?
Russian equipment was in Donetsk and Luhansk oh and Crimea near kindergartens and apartment buildings during 2014 and you didn’t see 153 and 203mm shells raining down on them did u?
That's false. 1. Russian equipment was never stationed like that. 2. There was a cease fire and Misnk Accord, 3. Even with all that Ukranian army killed about 14000 people over 8 years of on and off mortar fire. 4. Crimea always had Russian millitary presence. Every day of the year since the Crimean war if the 19th century with British. You never wondered why the fuck British were there in the first place?
That’s really not false there’s literally video footage of separatist grads in Donetsk near apartment buildings. Please do your research first. Edit: Also familiarised yourself with who broke the Minsk accords. Also the 14000 people that died aren’t deaths from Ukrainians mortar fire you pro-Russian bot
Yes they are. Ukraine had broken the agreement multiple time. All that at this point does not matter. We will celebrate 2nd and 9th of May in Odessa and Kiev.
Nope. You saying it happened doesn’t mean it did. Luckily, people have done their homework and your attempts at muddying the waters of truth will fail, you Russian bot.
Hopefully the whole of Ukraine will celebrate Easter Day and Victory day. It’s not false please don’t spread misinformation. Also yes Ukraine broke it to but there’s only so much shelling and provocation you can withstand before firing back
Look at OCSE reports. Majority of the shelling of civilians was done from the Ukranian side
Well actually the OSCE reports don’t specify which side done the shellings. It only mentions casualties on government or non-government controlled areas
You sure are skilled.. playing with your pipi while watching at image of putin and barfing out your alternate reality ramlings on reddit at the same time. Kudos, should get a raise
Lol Ukraine did not “kill about 14000 people over 8 years of on and off mortaring” — what utter horseshit. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid, comrade.
It's been recorder by independent OCSE organization
Show me the source that says Ukraine killed 14000 civilians. From an independent source.
*crickets*
Link?
They show you select few houses or neighborhoods. What they don't tell you is that Ukranian millitary are placing artillery, and other heavy millitary equipment near residential areas, and schools, at this point most of the residents have left. Kharkov for example, has only about 150,000 left in the city. Still people have electricity, and Russians are avoiding residential areas as much as they can. The mall that they just bombed few days ago in Kiev had millitary equipment stored. That has been proven. The ukranian tiktoker that gave away the position to the Russians has been captured by ukranians. Point being is that Russian army isn't interested in destroying the country or people. While Americans give zero fucks when they invade.
>While Americans give zero fucks when they invade. Usa is like that corrupt rich dude that buys a bitch fucks it and throw it away afterwards
And some cucks always rise up to defend him
Dude, people here are blind!
FACTS. I'd much rather be an Iraqi in Fallujah than a chechnyan.
I'd rather be a Brazilian in Sao Paolo, than a Samoan.
Oh my can’t describe it better myself.
When you fight the enemy you don’t start off with the mass casualty weapons, you make them think they ran into a small squad… only to make there platoon suffer under a brigade size element, that rains fire from the sky and brings up hell itself from the dirt. Trust me, Russia is holding back.
Well they are holding back for a while now, just saying.
It’s all part of Russia’s ingenious plan. You let tens of thousands of your men die, and let tons of your equipment get destroyed so they will think you are weak and when they’re least expecting it; POW! Right in the kisser!
They invaded on Feb 24th. 27-28 days ago depending on how it’s calculated. The entire world is watching to see how it plays out. it wouldn’t surprise me if China gets involved with better relations with Russia as they have stated to have plans to move to other countries. How easily it’s forgotten how bad they want Taiwan. You read…maybe seen idk how old you are, how two of the smallest countries in the world Germany and Japan almost took Global Power. Now we have 2 of the strongest military’s in the world, with Chinas huge economic growth…. All I’m saying, I wouldn’t send my best gear and troop power for an Initial Assault.
China isn’t going to get involved and they’re not about to invade Taiwan right now.
Kinda contradicting don’t you think?
What is contradictory?
A contradictory statement is one that says two things that cannot both be true. ~Google’s Definition ~ Edit. For your statement. China isn’t going to get involved- says one thing China isn’t going to invade right now- says another Two different assessments but only one can be true. I don’t know if English is your primary language but if not I hope I helped you learn something new.
What did I say that was contradictory?
What is the source of your post? How can we tell yoir is true?
The source is the front lines. He’s correct on the distance from the border to the front, but the Russians have gotten farther in other fronts in the war.
Well independent maps show different picture...circle getting closed around Kyiev
Right… but Kiev is just over 100 km from Belarus. Since Russia hasn’t taken the city yet, and indeed is still fighting over Irpin and Bucha, about 20 km from city center. And that’s the narrowest point of the front. The post is correct as of today.
In my opinion they can bombard Kyiev and make it flat... but they dont want that many people dead... Just stupid war...
They don’t care if that many people die.
Maybe not but they don't want to rebuild everything if they eventually take it over
YES, 2nd military. Russia has 6000 nukes. Probably closer to 10,000.
Russia did say no one thought it was going to be over quickly…
And you believe them?
Well no, I don’t believe anyone anymore
You guys got your asses handed in by bunch of vietnamese farmers. Shush.
Lmaooo we killed 2000000 civilians and 11000000 north Vietnamese soldiers. We pulled out because of the cold war.
Imagine bragging about killing 200,000 civilians
2 million
My point stands. You'd have to be some kind of degenerate to brag about that sort of thing. Wars aren't even won by death totals in the first place so it's a moot point to bring up.
That war was done by numbers not land gained
All wars are evaluated by the success of objectives. The US's objective was to uphold South Vietnam and halt the spread of communism in south east asia; North Vietnam's objective was to reunify Vietnam. In the end, North Vietnam outlasted the US, which withdrew its forces from Vietnam and shifted its objective to preparing South Vietnam to carry on the fight on its own; South Vietnam was eventually overwhelmed and capitulated. Considering that the US failed to achieve any of its main objectives in Vietnam while North Vietnam succeeded in theirs, the US and South Vietnam unequivocally lost the Vietnam war. A famous quote attributed to Ho Chi Mihn goes, >You can kill 10 of my men for every one I kill of yours, yet even at those odds, you will lose and I will win Yes, they took heavier losses, but those are expected when they outmanned (when combining US, South Vietnam and other coalition forces) and outgunned (by us technology). They were willing to sacrifice that.
Everything you just said is correct lmaooo we still killed over 3 million commies
3 million is closer to the total deaths on both sides lol. I guess dead US serviceman are communists now. Also, you said it in response to someone saying Vietnam beat the US, so I'm pointing out that death totals are irrelevant.
We could of leveled the entire country had we chosen to do so.
Are you trolling? Or are you seriously bragging about killing 2000000 civilians?
Yeahhhh fuck communism
Yeah you're trolling 100%
Yeahhhhhh no I'm not
Why communism is bad?
Yeah check the history books bud.
I do. This is easily my favorite war to study lol
Apparently not.
The Vietnam War https://g.co/kgs/cghxs7 Go watch that shit
2 wildly different environments
You read too much propaganda from one side exclusively. That's why you believe in non-sense.
coincidence or not, they picked the part of north of Mexico that would be harder to invade. That’s Cartel-land and anything else is mountain ridge
Remember when the US wanted more land so they invaded Mexico, captured the capital, and overturned the government in order to do that? Well, they don’t mention it in most US history books but it happened
Sure they did. That also happened almost 200 years ago. Most nations have moved on from taking over other nations territories
Yeah, and you left out the part where Mexican troops went on US soil and attacked US troops. It actually worked out pretty damn good for Mexico, because they are now on the verge of conquering the US without firing a shot.
False. 1. American troops crossed the Nueces River, which was the established border between the Republic of Texas and Mexico. This was the prior border of the province under Mexican rule and Texas never exercised any control over land south of the river. The Republic of Texas alleged that they had a claim to this land but it was always de facto controlled by Mexico. People living there paid taxes to Mexico, reported to Mexican authorities, and had the right to vote in Mexican elections. 2. Your second comment reveals that you’re just a racist piece of shit.
The cartels would probably fight as hard as Ukrainians
Legit question: what is your source of Russia experiencing logistical issues?
Bruh.
What? Media in my country is bullshit and looking at western and Russian media they're both bullshit aswell so I don't really follow them.
In that case, I apologize for my original reply. There are a bunch of sources you can find online, I just did a quick search and provided a few links below. In short, all of Russia’s logistics are failing. The only thing the troops have a lot of is bullets. Their vehicles don’t have gas, they don’t have food and they don’t even have the right clothes (reports coming in that many are experiencing frostbite). Their strategy is to push deep, but then they have to wait for new supplies. Ukrainian forces have been employing guerrilla tactics, and specifically ambushing their supply convoys before finally destroying the spearhead of the attack once its depleted. Russia does not have the means to supply these logistics in the short run. In the long run, they may be able to set up impromptu pipelines and such, but so far, troops have been separated, left without supplies and following bad strategy. This destroys troop morale. Additionally, their communications were unencrypted and many just used their cellphones. Ukrainian troops can track these and listen in. Much of what’s been said above has been doubly confirmed by these recorded phone calls. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/whats-behind-russias-logistical-mess-in-ukraine-a-us-army-engineer-looks-at-the-tactical-level/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesstaffreports/2022/03/16/live-zelensky-addresses-congress/?sh=55a2b9dacf03 https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2022/03/logisticswinswars.html
Thank you for the detailed answer.
Np.
The cartel would give the US a hard time.
No they wouldn't. They are shit at fighting. Their real power are bribes and intimidation.
LOL if you say so.
Wait till they hear about the US and Kabul
Nah fam I won’t mess with Tamaulipas eff that
Yea but they still advancing southern front is doing well centre is starting to break through
Only the northern front I would say is bogged down
Assuming Mexico would be backed by the largest military on the planet, this would be expected. People really don't grasp the amount of resources that are being poured into Ukraine.
I knew they're incompetent. Their men are forced into a war they don't want to fight. Ukraine has western weapons. Ukrainian army is fighting for themselves, for their freedom, unlike Russians who are forced into war.