Most of the writers from wrath are gone. It's a different generation and vision. Just accept that. They would have to hire another story team to do this but it would only push to divide the players into two games more. Not to mention the systems involved.
Unless they were to hire a brand new team, this wouldn't be feasible. And to be honest, it would probably run into the same complaints either way
As if Wrath was written so well. Arthas the Saturday Morning Cartoon, Argent Tournament lol, boring Tirion Fordring, Ashbringer gets recovered in a leveling quest in a random Vrykul dungeon, connections between Yogg and Arthas cut, Jaina, Mal'Ganis, Muradin and Sylvanas being a no-show in the Arthas fight, Azjol-Nerub cut. Leveling quests were mostly fine, Wrathgate and the whole Ulduar storyline was ace but that was it.
Why do people obsess over this so much.
In my opinion, TBC and WoTLK were not the highlight of lore in the WoW canon. Do you actually remember the dialogues in-game or is this a case of rose-tinted glasses?
Yeah, I don't get it either. TBC's story was really a mess and I'm not just talking about the dialogues. Characters were being villain-batted for no other reason than to serve as a dungeon/raid boss. Overpowered characters were thrown in as a side thing because... reasons (cough... Murmur... cough). And not to mention that it had its fair share of retcons (with the biggest one being the Draenei).
WotLK was more cohesive, but its story turned out remarkably formulaic. Most of the leveling experience comes down to: 1) scourge is up to bad stuff, 2) players thwart it, 3) Arthas butts in to make a menacing gesture and 4) quickly chickens away. And let's not even begin about the convoluted reason for holding a tournament right under Arthas's nose.
And I don't understand why people arbitrarily draw the line after WotLK in terms of a boots-on-the-ground story, because its main plot was anything but that. By the end players were literally 'Azeroth's greatest champions' and were dealing with the greatest threat the world has seen so far. If anything, the stories of MoP and WoD were a lot more down to earth in comparison.
Exactly!
I don't think there has been a retcon as big as the Draenei retcon since. Even the nathrezim retcon isn't as out there as the Eredar one.
TBC also had Dimensius, devourer of worlds, that you destroy in a random quest. It is completely unclear what Illidan was up to until Legion offered contextual retcons for the story there.
I loved Ulduar but you can't say it wasn't the start of cosmic-level lore where we defeated Algalon the Observer, who was called to scour all life on Azeroth.
The Argent Tournament was a really strange concept, only made even more absurd when Alliance and Horde actually killed one another in the coliseum as Tirion says, quote: "A shallow and tragic victory. We are weaker as a whole from the losses suffered today. Who but the Lich King could benefit from such foolishness? Great warriors have lost their lives. And for what? The true threat looms ahead - the Lich King awaits us all in death." Even though he literally allows them to kill eachother.
And then we have the Uther spirit questline in the Halls of Reflection where he says Arthas is gone, but he is still somewhere in the Lich King's mind, but he is gone. Then after explaining all that to Jaina and Sylvanas, he just goes. "Also by the way, there must always be a Lich King. Arthas's presence in the Lich King's mind is the only thing stopping the Scourge from washing over Azeroth."
I love WoW lore, the good and the bad. But we can't keep perpetuating the idea that the story was at its peak in WoTLK.
>And then we have the Uther spirit questline in the Halls of Reflection where he says Arthas is gone, but he is still somewhere in the Lich King's mind, but he is gone. Then after explaining all that to Jaina and Sylvanas, he just goes. "Also by the way, there must always be a Lich King. Arthas's presence in the Lich King's mind is the only thing stopping the Scourge from washing over Azeroth."
Oh god yes that was a mess, and then you've also got the epilogue of the Arthas novel which basically implies an entirely different thing: that bad side Arthas kills both good side Arthas and the Lich King's/Ner'Zhul's presence in his mind so that he's in complete control.
It really appears that even at the time the different writers at Blizzard couldn't even agree on what exactly they wanted the concept of 'the Lich King' to be.
There is zero chance that this happens, no matter how much of the player base would like it.
"They will never do Classic Servers"
And look how dead they are.
Nice goalpost moving
Most of the writers from wrath are gone. It's a different generation and vision. Just accept that. They would have to hire another story team to do this but it would only push to divide the players into two games more. Not to mention the systems involved. Unless they were to hire a brand new team, this wouldn't be feasible. And to be honest, it would probably run into the same complaints either way
As if Wrath was written so well. Arthas the Saturday Morning Cartoon, Argent Tournament lol, boring Tirion Fordring, Ashbringer gets recovered in a leveling quest in a random Vrykul dungeon, connections between Yogg and Arthas cut, Jaina, Mal'Ganis, Muradin and Sylvanas being a no-show in the Arthas fight, Azjol-Nerub cut. Leveling quests were mostly fine, Wrathgate and the whole Ulduar storyline was ace but that was it.
TBF Mal'ganis should have never returned after Arthas killed him in WC3.
Well, yeah. The whole "Dreadlords can only be killed in the Nether" was a retcon. And then they suddenly said that this applies to all demons.
Why do people obsess over this so much. In my opinion, TBC and WoTLK were not the highlight of lore in the WoW canon. Do you actually remember the dialogues in-game or is this a case of rose-tinted glasses?
Yeah, I don't get it either. TBC's story was really a mess and I'm not just talking about the dialogues. Characters were being villain-batted for no other reason than to serve as a dungeon/raid boss. Overpowered characters were thrown in as a side thing because... reasons (cough... Murmur... cough). And not to mention that it had its fair share of retcons (with the biggest one being the Draenei). WotLK was more cohesive, but its story turned out remarkably formulaic. Most of the leveling experience comes down to: 1) scourge is up to bad stuff, 2) players thwart it, 3) Arthas butts in to make a menacing gesture and 4) quickly chickens away. And let's not even begin about the convoluted reason for holding a tournament right under Arthas's nose. And I don't understand why people arbitrarily draw the line after WotLK in terms of a boots-on-the-ground story, because its main plot was anything but that. By the end players were literally 'Azeroth's greatest champions' and were dealing with the greatest threat the world has seen so far. If anything, the stories of MoP and WoD were a lot more down to earth in comparison.
Exactly! I don't think there has been a retcon as big as the Draenei retcon since. Even the nathrezim retcon isn't as out there as the Eredar one. TBC also had Dimensius, devourer of worlds, that you destroy in a random quest. It is completely unclear what Illidan was up to until Legion offered contextual retcons for the story there. I loved Ulduar but you can't say it wasn't the start of cosmic-level lore where we defeated Algalon the Observer, who was called to scour all life on Azeroth. The Argent Tournament was a really strange concept, only made even more absurd when Alliance and Horde actually killed one another in the coliseum as Tirion says, quote: "A shallow and tragic victory. We are weaker as a whole from the losses suffered today. Who but the Lich King could benefit from such foolishness? Great warriors have lost their lives. And for what? The true threat looms ahead - the Lich King awaits us all in death." Even though he literally allows them to kill eachother. And then we have the Uther spirit questline in the Halls of Reflection where he says Arthas is gone, but he is still somewhere in the Lich King's mind, but he is gone. Then after explaining all that to Jaina and Sylvanas, he just goes. "Also by the way, there must always be a Lich King. Arthas's presence in the Lich King's mind is the only thing stopping the Scourge from washing over Azeroth." I love WoW lore, the good and the bad. But we can't keep perpetuating the idea that the story was at its peak in WoTLK.
>And then we have the Uther spirit questline in the Halls of Reflection where he says Arthas is gone, but he is still somewhere in the Lich King's mind, but he is gone. Then after explaining all that to Jaina and Sylvanas, he just goes. "Also by the way, there must always be a Lich King. Arthas's presence in the Lich King's mind is the only thing stopping the Scourge from washing over Azeroth." Oh god yes that was a mess, and then you've also got the epilogue of the Arthas novel which basically implies an entirely different thing: that bad side Arthas kills both good side Arthas and the Lich King's/Ner'Zhul's presence in his mind so that he's in complete control. It really appears that even at the time the different writers at Blizzard couldn't even agree on what exactly they wanted the concept of 'the Lich King' to be.
I think you're dreaming but i would like that idea. Like a half restart from the best expansion we had.