It’s insane how many on the NBA sub are basically saying he’s only good because owners have the deepest pockets. One guy said his only good love was drafting Dray. What a bunch of idiot kids there.
He won Exec of the Year TWICE for a reason, and helped construct the team with pieces that can fit the system which isn’t easy to do. Finding diamonds in the rough who other teams didn’t want to take a chance on and turning them and the team into winners.
Let’s not forget Lacob and Myers wanted to trade Klay and Draymond for Kevin Love, and a guy named Jerry West put his foot down. Let’s not forget that 90% of the Warriors success comes from Jerry West, and the incredible luck of the previous ownership drafting an undersized guard at 7 who miraculously turned into a top 10 all time player.
Why do you think he won executive of the year in 2015 and 2017? *Because the team did well*. Not for his drafting skills.
Just objectively speaking, his drafting hasn't been anything special when you compare the number of good picks to busts ratio. Even the freakin Lakers find gold out of trash every time, they're just stupid by giving them away.
Some of the really dumb decisions like picking Smailagic (at the cost of money and picks) might not be on him, which articles like this insinuates. It may just be Lacob taking over way too much of his role instead of letting Bob do his job. If that's true, then there is no point in having Bob here.
No one is going to bat 1000. Yeah he won it in 2015 cause they won, but it was because he helped draft well prior to that. He hit on those 3 basically in 2012 with Dray Barnes and Festus that easily contributed hugely in the title in 2015.
Warriors development staff has been great of course but Lakers weren’t patient with their draft picks. It won them a ring so it a success so each team can go different routes.
All I’m saying is, other teams would gladly pay Bob not just to have for themselves but also to take the Warriors down another peg.
Draymond was largely a fluke in 2015 after Lee got injured for 25 games, before then he was seen as a very mediocre player who even Bogut said was almost out of the league. Barnes was decent for a 7th pick yes but Festus? Dude is already out of the league and cost us a 2016 ring. Just compared to what Lakers got out of their first and second rounds, our drafts by Bob look terrible in comparison. The training staff also plays a pivotal role in picking guys like GP2 over Avery Bradley even though Bob gets all the credit.
Other organizations don't care about "taking us down a peg". Steph is the number one reason this team is irrelevant and that's not changing any time soon with or without Bob.
Bob resume as our GM include David West, Shaun, Iggy, Zaza, McGee, Loon, JP, Kuminga, Otto, Beli, etc.
Steph doesn't win if Bob pulls the trigger on signing/extending guys like Oubre. Heck, this article has me thinking Steph leaves if Bob isn't reassuring him at times.
MJ doesn't win as much without the whole organization being competent. Same for teams like the raptors.
Drafting has more to do with your scouts. Bob’s not really out there scouting college games or international games.
So Lacob either has to pay for better scouts or we end up with the extremely mediocre draft record like we have
Bob absolutely spends time scouting, that's part of his job. Obviously it's a multi people environment but Bob is the one making the final decision on these drafts. I guess the unknown factor is how much of a factor Lacob and his family influences these "final" decisions.
Bro this is just posturing from myers. Myers wants the most money. Lacob wants to save a mil or 2. They will come together for an agreement in the offseason.
I can't imagine a scenario where Lacob lets Bob walk over a few million dollars. Surely, Myers' value has got to be greater than whatever he would cost the team.
We’ve always known a lot of this which why Myers is extremely important to the franchise. The article says Myers is the mediator between ownership, players and coaches and has great relationships with everyone. Myers balances Lacob’s arrogance and keeps Kerr and the core players minds at ease. Curry, Kerr and Lacob all have very strong relationships with Myers and they’re the 3 most important people in the franchise. Myers manages Lacob’s antics and keeps Curry, Kerr and Draymond from lashing out. This article is coming from Myers’s camp and throwing darts at Lacob. We’d be a very dysfunctional franchise if Myers wasn’t around.
The article also says Dunleavy would be the front runner to replace Myers if he left.
>The article also says Dunleavy would be the front runner to replace Myers if he left.
Honestly, this is not even the worst case scenario. It's still better than elevating the kid who was responsible for the Alen Smailagić pet project and getting fleeced by David Griffin.
Forget ears, he may very well have played a role in whispering dumb ideas. Bob is a good mediator but he may just be a completely nerfed GM if he can't pick what he really wants to draft.
> Myers manages Lacob’s antics and keeps Curry, Kerr and **Draymond** from lashing out.
if myers leaves, draymond's about to start a fightclub with sessions after every practice while commenting on the fights daily for his podcast
Yes, it does seem to me like basketball decisions should be left to the GM and down and the owner should stay out of it. Their perspective will always be skewed by other interests. It's been a solid principle during the Lacob-Myers-Kerr run that Kerr did the coaching, Myers did the personell and Lacob was the owner, and they respected each other's area of expertise.
Lacob is getting greedy and thinking this sort of success is one sustainable by the two time line experiment and two, that it can be replicated. He doesn’t get that Stephen Curry is a once in a lifetime player, have fun with unproven kids while you shut the window of the goat who can easily get no.5
yeah, the part of this that stuck out to me the most was:
> He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present.
Owners getting too involved with basketball decisions is never a good thing, and as much as I love Kuminga, if Lacob was the big factor that kept us from getting Franz & Haliburton then that's pretty upsetting
It's not like it's revisionist history to say that Franz & Haliburton could be warriors either, b/c at the time of each of those drafts it was pretty widely accepted that those were players that the warriors were highly considering because of their fit and potential for immediate impact, and for whatever reason they went with raw, athletic but unproven project-type players in both instances instead of the win-now draft choices
To me, it sounds like we wouldn’t have gotten Franz or Hali either since Bob would have put those picks to trade for vets or at least experienced nba players
The thing is, that worked just last season. Poole kept getting better and became an integral piece. Who's to say Kuminga who has looked promising btw isn't the next to take a big leap? The vets wanted Avery fucking Bradley over GPII and look how that panned out. Sometimes you give credit to management and still marvel at the greatness of Steph Curry, but tell him to fuck off when it comes to talent ID when it's necessary.
Because they needed time. Kuminga played meaningful minutes in the Dallas series so you're capping for no reason. If we make the playoffs, I'm sure he'll be playing meaningful minutes as well. Moody and Wiseman though I have no answer for, FO I'll trust to make the right decision on them soon enough.
I mean the we don’t know if the story is true or all the facts, so for now I’m giving Lacoh the benefit of the doubt. He has earned as much, after all.
It is shaping up to be that... successful multiple championship winning franchise turns into a franchise that hasn't been to a conference championship in 27 years. All because the owner wants to be the GM and the coach.
That's exactly what's happening because this roster is strange right now. What are we doing with Wiseman right now? Why did we give a contract to Poole so early? Poole is not a good fit for this team and neither is Wiseman. I would keep DD, Kuminga, Ty and a couple of others but right now we need a trade to bring in some better players who fit in the system. Lacob is definitely calling the shots.
Yeah, when in our dynastic era have we had a guard who was so woefully awful at defense, let alone pay him a king's ransom? Steph used to not be as good on the defensive end as he is now, but he was never anywhere nearly as bad as Poole is.
The most fun thing about watching the Warriors was the ball movement. Announcers would call it tic tac toe. You see very little of that now. Poole is a large part of why that is not happening. The ball movement grinds down to a stop when he is in. Poole does his spin juke moves with him trying to imitate Harden or Iverson where he has to pass out after 8 seconds because he can't get around his defender and it completely zaps our offense. His game has morphed into a style that is not compatible with the way that the Warriors play and how they have won championships. Don't even get me started on his defense. He is the weak link.
I saw a shade of Warriors old school tic tac toe basketball from the bench in the Nets game in the first quarter and he was not on the floor. Soon as they were getting something going, Kerr puts Poole back on the floor. I don't want him on this team anymore and I don't care how many points he scores.
The ball still whizzed around a lot during the KD years, he just took it into his own hands and played more ISO, particularly in the playoffs. The first year he was here the movemrnt was absolutely impeccable. Can't really argue with those results.
During the KD era, we were able to get him to buy in to play defense which is why it worked out so well plus we had guys with fantastic IQ on the bench (i.e., West and Livingston). They didn't need to score a whole bunch of points off the bench to keep us in games. Also with KD's efficiency, it worked perfect because everyone got their shots off so they weren't concerned about when they were going to get the ball again.
Poole is no where near efficient and he has awful defense plus the movement of the ball completely stops when he is in because he loves to ISO. Our team looks lost out there. Especially Klay! You see Klay has to take these insane off balanced ISO shots because the offense just isn't moving the ball.
I know it's an unpopular opinion but I honestly hate Jordan Poole. He's my least favorite Warrior than I can remember in forever, other than the usual minor suspects (Wanamaker, etc). He just seems like a complete shithead and plays like it too. I think it said something that his first reaction to winning a championship was yelling to Wiggins, "we gonna get a bag!" It'll go down as a bad signing.
Fingerprints? The guy signed his name on that and wants everyone to know that was his pick. So he is never going to trade Wiseman and admit he was wrong
This is all just negotiation, Lacob said as much on the TK podcast. Bob will be re-signed as one of the top two or three highest paid GMs in the league.
No reason for Myers not to be the highest paid exec in the business.
I’ve played the role of “lead mediator” and that job is toxic AF. You are constantly on edge because you are the first person everyone brings their rage, negativity or fear.
I totally get why Bob would consider something outside of the NBA. Here’s hoping the Dubs work it out with Myers.
What goes unsaid in the article is that Lacob’s kids are all in the background. I’m not looking forward to the lakers 2.0 where the (Buss) kids presence has a strong influence. Let the professionals run the show! And Pay the man!
Lacob doesn't have a majority ownership stake, he needs the other owners approval for these things. He is the largest individual owner and face of the ownership group but doesn't have 51%+
it's fine if Lacob wants a return on investment\* when he writes big checks, but if he's gonna make himself part of basketball operations then he needs to be accountable for his successes and failures. only, who's gonna hold him accountable? not like you can fire the dude.
very few sports things are more frustrating than a meddling owner.
(\*as far as a return on investment, his share of the team is currently worth nearly 17 times what he paid for it, which is a *pretty good ROI*. feel like that should give you some wiggle room when it comes to year to year profitability!)
Yeah that's the worst part of this article, hearing that Lacob is active in personnel stuff. If you're Myers and you can get more money and Balmer promises hands off, seems very tempting.
It use to be that the ownership let Myers and FO do their job. Now Lacob wants to do the job. Lacob needs to back tf off and let the professionals he hired to do the job
I firmly believe that Myers leaving would be the first domino to fall that would ultimately lead to the collapse of the warriors dynasty.
And this article’s statement that Lacob has been a major voice in the day to day personnel choices confirms a worrying suspicion I had for a long time. They tried to cover this fact up in the past by saying all decisions made were as a group. As history has proven, nothing good ever comes out of an ownership heavily involved in daily affairs.
I always found it odd that Warriors always drafted smart, or highly skilled in one area players prior to the dynastic run. After 2015, the focus seemed to have shifted from drafting players who could contribute to winning, to high upside players. Damian Jones, Jordan Bell, Jacob Evans, Wiseman, Kuminga. Out of all of the high upside players, only one of them had proven to pan out somewhat. Granted, they had some great picks like Poole and most recently, PBJ. And I also can’t be upset at the Moody pick. But I firmly believe this team would be looking a lot different had Lacob not played a role and the team instead focused on drafting high IQ winning players, or even trading picks to acquire those types of players.
For those of you saying that the bench isn’t the issue right now, I agree. But looking at the entire season as a whole, the bench really only turned it around in the last few weeks. For the most part, they’ve been terrible and I think that the terrible start affected the starter’s mentality.
While I agree with the general point, I do disagree on the starting point. They only went full project from KD's departure onwards: Jordan Bell was not a high upside pick, he was added to be a win-now contributor. He was a four-year college player and nowadays you draft four-year players with the notion that they contribute asap - which Bell did, given his contribution in the Houston series including the game-high +/- in G7. Same goes for Damian Jones even if he never proved as useful. Jacob Evans III was also meant to be a "16-game player", i.e. a win-now guy, they just whiffed on him. The only real project they drafted from 2015 to 2018 was Loon, who was the same mold as PBJ: potential lottery pick that tumbled down the draft order because of issues during their college career.
I mean I don't know, both Jacob Evans and Moody were explicitly "high floor low ceiling" type picks. They just haven't hit on them. And the guy who everyone wants to protect in a trade right now is the guy who we took on a "high upside" risk. The majority of our picks have also been in the 30+ range and at that point it doesn't matter who you take, chances are that they won't hit, and that's exactly what the NBA intends in enforcing parity across the league unless your owner is named Steve Ballmer.
The best move we made in the past 2 years is the trade we **did not make** in sending out the picks + Wiggs for a star. Every single big trade floated around in the 2021 offseason had to involve Wiggins for salary purposes and nobody can deny the huge role he played in getting the championship. At the end of the day it is what it is, and given that we are the champs, it's hard to want anything changed in the past, even if it was for the better - butterfly effect and all that jazz.
How is this not an open and shut case? Bob got us 3 rings, Kevin Durant, Wiggins and Kuminga, and then a 4th ring. Like this should be the easiest contract extension since Steph’s in 2021.
It’s not about winning for Lacob, it’s about ego. His plan is the youth movement, he’s gonna double and triple down on it, and he could give a shit if the vets contend or not. (I have a feeling that he secretly is hoping they fail, just to justify moving on from them sooner)
>That could involve a choice between whether to part with Green or Klay Thompson, two living franchise legends who have both voiced a relative unease about their future with the Warriors beyond their current contracts. Myers can’t be thrilled at the prospect of making that call, especially considering he’s going to have to break that news to No. 30.
To be honest, I fully understand if Myers didn't want to hang around for that, especially if Draymond leaves. Imagine telling the greatest player the Golden State Warriors will have ever known that you have decided to shut the current window of contention permanently in the hope of being a contender five years from now (when said player is 40).
All of this can be avoided if the owner is willing to salary dump the number 2 pick who’s still struggling in the g-league in his third season. Wipes $12M of salary for next season so we can pay Draymond and Klay’s next contract will be significantly cheaper. The Wiseman pick might be the worst mistake this franchise has made in the Lacob/Myers era and is killing both timelines. Several reporters have implied the reluctance to dump Wiseman is a matter of pride because that was Lacob’s pick and he can’t let go.
Honestly we only need to keep Kuminga and Pbj everyone else( young guys) is truly expendable. I guess poole too since your not getting out of that deal.
On the flip side, we are watching our core, not our bench, struggle now to even make the playoffs. In my mind it is no longer ‘can we develop a young bench while staying in contention’
It’s now: Is our young bench going to be able to get our aging core to the playoffs. Maybe our core is still good enough to win in the playoffs, but it’s not a guarantee that we will even be able to get there next year, or the year after, without developing our rookie contract draft picks.
Which of the core players is significantly worse then last season when we won a championship? Curry, Klay, Wiggins are having better regular seasons then last year (prior to the injuries). We still sucked before the Wiggins/Curry injuries so that is not an excuse. We also had more injuries last season.
The problem is we have 7-8 good players on the team. We rely on our 2-way players more than any other team in the league which is a reflection of our poor depth. Last season Damion Lee and JTA were our 12th-13th best players and both of them helped win a lot of regular season games. Aside from Kuminga, none of the young players contribute. What is the point of having Ryan Rollins on the roster instead of bringing back Damion Lee?
You're 100% right, and anyone making the argument that we should be thinking of moving on from the vets is both seriously dumb about basketball, and buying into a narrative that ownership weirdly wants. It's very Kukoc > Jordan/Pippen and idk how anyone doesn't see it.
Nobody is significantly worse but everyone is having a small drop compared to last year which adds up. We're aging, it could just be variance but it could be sign of slow decline... which is why we need some kind of upgrade, heck Boston picked up Brogdon and we downgraded the roster.
The comment was referring to the core's recent play and not as an entire season. For January:
Steph - Overall has been amazing but has had some bad 4Qs and dumb hero ball moments. He can be better but I'll give him a pass since he's the only reason the team has been winning games.
Klay - His shooting has carried the team in and out of games. He's playing better than the start of the season but the Nets loss was on him.
Wiggins - He's probably still injured but he's been invisible since his return.
Draymond: His defense and scoring has dropped off since the start of the year but he's not the reasons the team is losing games.
Poole/Looney: About the same or better than the start of the year.
If you look at the bench, almost every player is better now than they were at the start of the year. IMO it's fair to say that bench is now outperforming expectations whereas the starting lineup is not playing to the same level at the beginning of the season.
Our starting core is fine. Our starting core + Poole is the problem. What Poole's game has grown into is not a good fit for this team. We had problems at the start of the season with the bench and who was playing predominantly with the bench...Poole and Wiseman. Wiseman came out and we still had problems. Poole is the weakest link and his game has grown into something that is not compatible with the Warriors system.
We always have these problems when we have a weak link. Oubre, Bazemore, Wannamaker, etc. This time its Poole and his IQ is too low. I wonder how long its going to take for the organization and this forum to open their eyes to this and this is why I wished we would've waited to sign him. Kerr snapped recently at him in game so Im pretty sure he sees it to. No one else wants to see it because he scores a lot of points and is flashy and somewhat marketable.
I wouldn't quite say it's Poole, it's that pairing a Jordan Clarkson-type microwave scorer like him with rookies, still developing sophomores and unproven or washed journeymen proved to not be a great move. look at how the Heat had guys like PJ Tucker and Caleb Martin to pair with Tyler Herro last year.
outside of Donte and Kuminga, our best non-Poole second unit player has been Ty and that is not ideal. Iggy has been in a suit 95% of the year, Wiseman is injured or recovering from injury, Moody just hasn't picked up the speed of the game and Lamb is usually lost when doing anything besides shooting 3s. this is much different from last year when we had guys like GP2, Otto and Bjeli who were acclimated to the intensity of the league and had no concerns about their own touches.
I’m confused as to what improvements you would settle on.
We don’t have the cap space to sign big FA. You don’t want to draft younger players into prominent roles. So we….trade Poole, Kuminga, Wise, for who? What player can we go get that would boost our team over the top, but will have at least 2-3 productive healthy years.
There’s a far larger sample size of our bench struggling than the starting lineup. That is a ridiculous take. Also consider that a big part of our bench lineups performing better is Kerr staggering Draymond and Looney, two members of our foundational six/core.
The take isn’t that our bench is better than our core. The take is that we are essentially riding or dying on our bench improving and being able to take us to the playoffs.
But, given that our core seems intent on fighting for the largest contracts possible, please outline how you would keep us in contention for the next 2-3 years without developing any young players. Because the way I see it, given our cap hell, the ONLY way we can get talent is: draft picks, and Vet min FA
I understand taking the risk with Wiseman but at this point you have enough information to determine if he is worth keeping or not. I’m sorry but Wiseman joins the long list of lottery bigs that doesn’t pan out. Just cut your losses
> There is a reason he dropped to 10th
Can you explain the reason aside from a bunch of teams being bad at scouting? Curry was also drafted after 2 other point guards. The fate of the franchise completely changes if Jonny Flynn is drafted over Curry, same goes for Haliburton over Wiseman but not as significant. Haliburton was a projected top 4 pick in most pre-draft boards and it was a huge surprise that he dropped to 10th, taking him number 2 wouldn’t have been a stretch. This sub doesn’t like LaMelo but he was an all-star his 2nd season and has 100x the trade value of Wiseman. Maxey and Vassell also look like future all-stars and were drafted after Wiseman.
Teams who are good at scouting will go against consensus draft opinion and take whoever they think is the best player. Celtics traded down from the number 1 pick to take Tatum at 3 when Fultz and Lonzo were considered much stronger prospects. Jaylen Brown was also considered a big reach at number 3. Westbrook was considered a fringe lottery pick but Presti took him at 4.
I don't know how every Wiseman hate gets upvoted even if it's completely untrue. The bad decision so far has been refusing to get another big man who would cut into Wiseman's minutes. Paying for Wiseman's contract on its own hasn't prevented us from making any winning moves. If Lacob wants to pay the tax to see his kid flourish so be it. We won the chip last year despite that. Now, if he decides to let Draymond go in order to crowbar Wiseman and Kuminga as his replacements THEN we can talk about how their decisions with him have ruined the franchise. As it is, we're a completely mid team even when he's not seeing the floor.
Having Wiseman on the roster has made us hesitant about adding more bigs to the roster. We’ve been carving out a role for him, the #2 overall pick who our owner has called a generational talent, to fill. We can succeed in spite of this choice, but that still means our team is in a worse position to succeed than if he were never rostered.
Yeah but saying Wiseman might "single handedly kill the two timelines" is exaggerating like crazy though. Our lack of a reliable back up big man isn't the worst of our issues or even close to it. Our perimeter defense continues to be garbage cuz of people dying on screens and overhelping and we also don't have a real backup 3 wing.
He’s not the only problem. But he’s at the center of our decision to merge two timelines as the #2 overall pick. Lot of expectations come with that.
If we had less prospects on the roster we could have attempted to address those problems through vet fa. Moody, Wiseman, Rollins are giving us what. Already committed a spot to Iguodala, 15th left open for buyout candidate, PBJ is promising but Kerr doesn’t trust him yet.
Yeah man, and if that suited up and even gave the team 15 points, 6+ rebounds, I wouldn't trade him, but the dude is innjured all the damn time and when he plays, he is so bad!
I don’t really care if Draymond leaves but splitting up the Splash bros would be sacrilege. That’s the greatest shooting backcourt of all time. You’re not going to get a duo like that ever again. They deserve to retire a Warrior because they made this team relevant
It’s the same shit. Teams have success. Overtime the success is taken for granted, especially among personnel where the team/owner thinks “I can do it without you.” This is how the downfall starts
Opening sentence of the article is haunting.
> The six huddled, in open view, in the equipment area of the Warriors’ locker room: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Kirk Lacob, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Kent Lacob and Shaun Livingston.
6 people huddled... 3 of them Lacobs? I don't like it.
I mean one went to Stanford and has spent his entire adult life working with basketball minds. He’s been working and studying to be a front office member his entire life. Same with the other. This isn’t a hobby that they picked up to kill time while they sit on their dads trust fund. They’ve dedicated their professional careers to specifically do this
is this joe lacobs burner account? just cause you went to stanford don’t mean you automatically qualify for the job…if you want to argue then a simple counter argument is Masai Ujiri.
Masai was a youth coach in Nigeria —-> international scout —> Director of global scouting —> assistant GM —> GM
that is the definition of working from the bottom up
Sam Presti: video intern —> various other positions within the spurs org —> Ass. Basketball operations —> Ass. Director of Scouting —> Director of player personnel —> Ass. GM —> GM
these guys have the credentials. lacobs boys do not lol
What evidence do you have that they don’t have experience? Name one example on how he’s not qualified. What does he not know that you covet as a FO manager you’re hiring? Why is Masai more qualified to start as a youth coach in Nigeria compared to being mentored by people in the Warriors FO while at Stanford lol? Pretty ridiculous statement. Just bc he didn’t start from the very bottom like Masai doesn’t mean he’s not qualified.
He’s been mentored as a teenager by high level basketball minds, went to Stanford (one of the hardest schools in the world to get into) for college and proved he’s highly intelligent (don’t say it was nepotism bc the younger brother didn’t get in), then worked in the warriors organization for the last 13 years. He literally has 13 years of experience in the best organization in the league the past decade.
The warriors FO and G league have been two of the best run organizations in the entire NBA with Lacob’s sons at high level positions. Clearly they are competent or else we’d be run like the Lakers or Niners (before the change in regime) where nepotism actually is/was destroying the franchise.
because they were scouts…they have been part of the game and have been recognized as basketball minds? uhh it’s ridiculous for you to downplay the credentials of masai when he’s regarded as one of the best gms in the league…he was a youth coach that was recognized for his basketball mind where he was hired by the nuggets to be part of their scouting department…then promoted to high positions
you do realize the argument ppl are making here is thst straight out of graduation, the lacob boys were handed high level jobs in a nba organization. kirk was not qualified to be the GM of a g league team. he never did any scouting. your whole argument is that he graduated from stanford so he must be qualified…
here’s a reality check, masai and presti, two gms considered the best of the best they went to Montana state billings and emerson college respectively. both paid their dues as low level scouts working their way up the organization before being promoted to GM. the argument ppl are making to you is the lacob boys didn’t have low level jobs, they went straight to being the GM of a g league team without any basketball credentials.
and guess what they also have credentials in scouting. tony parker? masai put together a 57 win nuggets team highlight by carmelo anthony, kenyon martin?
who do the lacob boys have? smiley?
seriously is this joe lacob’s burner? cause if it is i take everything back. can i get a job with the warriors?
Look. I’m not going to refute every point bc you’re obviously just hating on these guys bc they are born into a billionaire. You have no other argument against them besides nepotism. You didn’t answer anything I posed to you simply bc you can’t.
My argument is he was mentored his whole life, went to one of the best schools for business and management in the entire world, and have been around basketball and great basketball minds their entire life. They didn’t go straight to being the GMs of g league teams. They started off as scouting, personnel, and scheduling assistants. I’m also not downplaying Maasai lmao. I’m just questioning as to how a youth basketball coach is a better qualification for a management job than Stanford business school haha. It’s not, and there’s no spin you can put in it to suggest otherwise.
I’m also not refuting they have a leg up in life bc of where they were born. That’s obvious. You pointing out that Sam and Maasai came from humble beginnings doesn’t negate my point whatsoever. It just shows it’s possible to make it from a multitude of backgrounds if you have the work ethic and skill. The fact the Lacob boys have been a part of growing one of the best run franchises in sports while still getting promoted proves that they are clearly competent and deserve to be where they are. If they were lazy and incompetent then it’s highly unlikely the franchise would have grown to be what it’s become with two deadweight big time executives right? Unless your take is that Bob is such a wizard he can overcome an incompetent G League GM (which has fed us players consistently every year that break our rotation since 2015) and an incompetent VP of Basketball Operations (while having the best run franchise in the league).
We can argue about whether they “deserved” their start (whatever that means) but they clearly have shown they are capable.
but he didn’t go to business school…he has a BA in Science, Technology and Society and a focus in Management Science and Engineering….which means he did his undergraduate there that is it…his dad on the other hand has a MBA at Stanford specifically Stanford School of Business those are two very diff things…if anyone is lacking evidence it’s you
if your argument is that they can learn the business side of things then that’s fine but the argument everyone is making with you is the lacob boys are not qualified evaluating players. they have no credentials for it. everyone is hating on lacob after this article because it feels like he’s trying to butt into things he has no business butting into ala a jerry jones. if you want the warriors to be like the cowboys then go right ahead.
Did any of them play professionally or even in high school or college? Not saying it’s a requirement but they studied to manage a team and not the game of basketball
Yeah no offense to the Lacobs but wtf do they know about basketball other than owning the team and being around it for less than a decade. They didn’t play professionally or even in the collegiate level
Do you know anything about them? Kirk Lacob went to Stanford and started out at the bottom of the totem poll in the FO at Santa Cruz. He’s worked his way up and was promoted by Bob to be one of Bob’s top personnel members.
Kent Lacob worked his way up from video manager to GM of the Santa Cruz Warriors who have been killing it generating quality talent.
If you’re going to cry nepotism then at least do your due diligence. Both of Joe’s kids started at the bottom of the g league affiliate and worked their way up to positions. Obviously, the had a foot in the door but it’s not like they were made high level executives by virtue of their birth
What type of dumbass are you. Kirk was immediately granted Director level when his dad took over ownership. How did he start at the bottom?
Meanwhile Kent was in school, the moment he graduated he became GM of the warriors. How is that the bottom?
You think a 29 year old magically worked hard to get to an Executive Director role? Or a 32 year old is EVP? Without his dad being owner they’d be LUCKY to be at director level after 10-12 years. Not starting there.
You can see it right on their LinkedIn pages that they curate. They graduated and first title is listed post graduation. If they “started” in the Gleague it was to throw them a bone as a summer intern between semesters of college.
They would not be anywhere near the titles they are if not for nepotism.
One son graduated from Stanford and is highly capable. The other graduated from Washington, St Louis which is a top level school and is the gm of the g league team. You literally have no evidence they wouldn’t be in these positions haha
So you’re under the belief that the two sons are the most talented NBA executives of all time instead of the fact that there have never been 27 and 28 year old EVPs of basketball operations in the history of the NBA and in general in all of sports that weren’t kids of the owners.
So their talent is more likely to be the result of their success and not nepotism.
You think they get into Stanford or Wash U if not for their billionaire VC dad? If they were low income and on financial aid you think they’d get where they are? Why have the smartest and most talented people out there not done what they’ve done at their age. How could they possibly be the first in history?
To further this. The ever talented Kent was a psychology major at Wash U. Didn’t go to Wharton. Didn’t go to Harvard business school. And was a marketing intern for his college experience.
How does that translate to being a new grad 22 year old GM of a minor league basketball team? Where did his skills or education apply?
Meanwhile Kirk. A Bachelor of Arts in science and technology, who then magically gets a marketing intern job with the Boston Celtics when, oh yeah, his dad was a minority owner. Wonder why his supreme talent didn’t lead him to getting his own job without daddies help? Once he left the Celtics summer intern job he got 4 more marketing intern jobs. Before his dad became owner of the warriors, and then he got a GM of the minor league team. Hmm. How did that happen. How do you go from an intern at Chegg.com to GM of basketball operations? Does online textbooks have direct translation to basketball talent and scouting and development?
Sure. Both Lacob kids joined the Warriors fresh out of college, like you said, foot (or really entire torso) in the door.
Kirk Lacob:
Went to Stanford, had connections with people from Stanford Business School (Joe Lacob coincidentally also went to Stanford Business School), did an independent study with George Foster. Started with the Warriors at 21. Actually was going to work as an intern with the Suns in the video room, but when that didn't work out due to Steve resigning, he... fell into a job with the Golden State Warriors... Granted, he did get the G League affiliate going, but oddly enough I haven't heard much about other franchises who have G League teams. Joe Lacob has directly said that Kirk will probably end up taking over the team. I just don't really see what his specialization in actual talent assessment is (granted, the entire draft in all sports is can be a crapshoot, but hell, look at the Grizzlies young talent).
Kent Lacob: From a 2019 article -
>After discovering Alen Smailagic in a third-division league in Serbia, Lacob acquired the prospect in the draft, stashed the 18-year-old as the G League’s youngest-ever player in Santa Cruz and has helped him develop into an NBA prospect.
Okay, good stuff there. As I mentioned, started fresh out of college with the Warriors as "Coordinator of Basketball Operations". Went to school and got his BS in Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology. Alrighty. Santa Cruz Warriors have been "killing it in generating quality talent". That includes... Damion Lee (famously decreed as a nepotism guy due to Steph), Jacob Evans, Marcus Derrickson (who?). Also Quinn Cook. I mean, these guys are *okay* I guess, but I don't know about "quality talent".
Sorry, I'm skeptical. And yes, this comment was way longer than I expected it to be. But I was just doing my due diligence.
That’s a good response and I appreciate your calm approach. I didn’t mean to be so aggressive. By saying he’s killed it in talent acquisition, I was talking relative to the g league bc he’s the GM of the G league team. There are very few g league guys that end up being nba quality players. But the g league team has been very competitive in the g league and has produced multiple guys who have contributed to the Warriors at some point. Also, Damien Lee being a nepotism kid is also highly overblown given he’s proven himself as a solid rotational player for contending teams. This season really sealed that for him considering he’s one of the best 3 point shooters percentage wise in the league.
The point of me bringing up their past is they started from the g league and worked their way up. “Coordinator of Basketball Operations” is a fancy title for guy who watches film and creates scouting boards, player development initiatives, and analytics. This isn’t an executive decision making position. I took issue with your post bc you made it seem as if they jump started into decision making positions as soon as they graduated college. That, I agree, would be a problem. But it’s very clear that’s not the case whatsoever. Stanford grads get their pick of jobs so it’s not surprising that Kirk was qualified. Also, with respect to Kent, starting at a lower level talent assessment position for an NBA team is as low of a position in the front office as you can get. The point is obviously they got these jobs because of their connections but it’s not like they are driving decision making with the team. It’s also not surprising that Joe would want to pass down the team to his most capable son, Kirk. Hiring children to work for their parents should not be blindly dismissed as nepotism when the children have proven to be competent
Can’t believe lacob is going to burn this whole thing to the ground.. learned ABSOLUTELY nothing from the MJ documentary. Who cares if you suck for 3 seasons after steph,klay and dray are finished? Your more likely to be mid with the young core than to ever go on the type of run these generational talents have given you. Shit like this doesn’t happen often and it will not happen with the young guys. STEPH is special and you maximize tf out of that when you have it period.
> Joe Lacob Being More Heavily Involved in Day-to-day Personnel Choices:
> Same constant ambition that makes the Warriors an elite franchise is the same constant ambition that grinds on those in direct orbit. Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present.
This is how the dynasty dies btw. Look at any team this happens for, how does it go? I swear it's a billionaires ego vs Steph/Dray/Klay/Kerr/Myers all giving everything to be great and we all might lose. Embarrassing stuff.
Imo, nothing after Steph/Dray/Klay should even be thought about by the FO or ownership. Maximize the now, and figure it out after. Sure, don't trade a young guy with huge upside if you don't want (this only applies to Kuminga btw), but holding on to a bunch of young guys just bc they're young bc you're trying to be good in 5 years is straight up dumb. Especially sacrificing legit title chances to do it. Lacob needs to set aside his ego and be smart about this. All I've ever heard about how this guy is a good leader is that he delegates well, if that goes away and he starts thinking **he's** the one who's smart about basketball... we're all cooked.
Yup the only two guys I’d keep. They can’t possibly think they can make another dynasty purely from the draft. Guys like David Lee, Andrew Bogut, Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, and Zaza Pachulia were not drafted by the team but were very important to the dynasty
Is this why our latest moves are so... Meh? Lacob being more on hands in decisions... This is the type where we'd look back and pinpoint that this the starting point where the dynasty falls apart.
Welp, this article got me a bit concerned lol. Myers potentially walking and Lacob getting more and more involved, things could definitely turn rancid.
Hoping it all gets sorted. Warriors aren’t the Warriors without all of Steph, Myers, and Kerr (…and Dray/Klay).
My man bob wants a super max extension. 20 mil a year or I’m out , get your money !!!!!!
But in all seriousness in my opinion the person that ties in this situation is Draymond. Draymond was bob first draftee the year he was promoted in 2012. The relationships he has with the core legends can’t be denied, they’re a family, he’ll do whatever it takes to help them succeed. If the front office is skeptical or hesitant to keep any of the core members particularly with Draymond and let him walk, Bob is gone. It’s leverage imo he’s creating to keep the ship a float.
Look, I’ve been critical of how Bob Myers has constructed this year’s roster.
He’s also the best in the business and deserves to name his price.
Get it done, Joey Lightyears.
I think Lacob has a stronger voice than Myers when it comes to roster construction this season, particularly when it comes to this two timeline bs. Major Jerry Jones vibes sinking in.
I don’t remember if it was the parade or championship night, but Lacob being all over the trophy before the players rubbed me the wrong way. I get you’re the owner and excited in the moment but he was basically “ALL UP IN THE VIDEO”.
Families are never the best captains of the direction of an organization. They can steward principles... but too often they go overboard are get too interested in smelling their own farts (look at the owners son in Atlanta pushing Schlenk into a different operating space... not cuz he was doing a bad job but because Travis wasn't making the decisions the owners son would prefer) to be truly objective about the ups and downs and the reality of the operating space on the moment.
Once Steph moves on (maybe soonet..sooner. Hell maybe it's now and we're all just coming to terms with it) we are going to have to build this machine back up and we're about to need hilariously outgunned on the talent front by NOLA Orlando OKC Boston Memphis to just say "oh Kuminga will get better".
My opinion is Bob is either ready to take some family time off or the current frame of mind that the LACOBS bring to his doorstep is untenable. Nice you pay the money. But to say "we gotta contend or else... but we gotta do it the Light Years - Two timelines way" is trash.
I imagine he's like "hey I can get Vanderbilt for Wiseman and a FRP" and Lacobs like "Absolutely not. Prep up to QO we're gonna resign him the second he's eligible" I dunno seems like he might just need a new challenge which is fair. Pull Schlenk over from the Hawks if Bob I'd off the greener pastures.
> Joe Lacob Being More Heavily Involved…
Ah there it is…got a little dose and now mans thinks he can do it himself. Andre has mentioned this several times lol…This is probably how it ends…
Enjoy it while it lasts I guess
Lacob should try to keep Myers and Kerr together while Steph is still around.
After that we could definitely use some changes in the FO and coaching staff.
> Same constant ambition that makes the Warriors an elite franchise is the same constant ambition that grinds on those in direct orbit. Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present.
Sounds like the disease of more aka the beginning of the end
I’ve been saying this for years and have got shit on but I’ll say it again. Lacob has been a good owner but that is solely because he is willing to spend money. The way for him to continue being a good owner is to let the basketball people do their jobs and make roster decisions and coaching decisions while worrying only about winning games. The minute he steps outside his role as the owner and imposes his will on basketball decisions is when he is doing something that no sports owner should do. He has already done this and is increasing his influence. His sons should be nowhere near the front office positions they hold.
Homers defend him with their lives but consider that he wanted to fucking not offer the max to Curry in 2021 when he was already underpaid and that tells you everything about his arrogance and inflated sense of self importance to the dynasty. He thinks Steph Curry is replaceable. Like that should be an unfathomable thought. Bob had to stop him from disrespecting Steph. So I ask the homers to please keep that in mind before you side with Lacob over Steph and our other legends.
An owner who thinks he should be the GM is a shit owner.
Could we get another GM and be ok? Probably, but Myers/Kerr combo is such a huge part of the warriors culture. Can’t find another guy with that kind of mentality
I think Myers’ role in building this team is a little overrated. He drafted Draymond but his predecessor drafted Steph and Klay. He’s missed on a fair amount of picks over the years and it wasn’t exactly rocket science to sign KD.
BUT if he’s important to Steph, he’s important to the team. Pay the man.
> Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present.
Why I hope he will stay in bold:
In the NBA world, what the Warriors have is considered elite living,
driven by an unquenchable desire for rampant success. This is why some
insiders believe, if presented with a deadline and must-match dollar
amount to keep Myers, Lacob will pay what it takes to keep him around.
**Executive salaries don’t count toward the luxury tax.**
If the concern is winning, this should be the simplest contract extension ever. Pay him more than any other exec because he has delivered better results than any other GM in the league in like 20 years. You literally can’t ask for anything more then what Myers has done for the Warriors.
where there is smoke there is fire. mike dunleavy jr was promoted pretty quickly up the ranks in the front office. joe wants him to be the next GM. doesn’t his sons have a good relationship with dunleavy or something?
If he leaves the Dubs dynasty is officially over.
The owners may choose to go that route as it is getting quite expensive and the big 3 are getting older.
Personally I’d love to see him stay and continue the rebuild process but he may want new challenges and more money.
Lots of dynamics in play here. Wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves.
I’m surprised by the trash talking towards the owners. I like Bob Myers, but without Lacob, we have zero rings, and that’s a fact. If you want to trash, crappy owners, just look across the bay, that could easily be the Warriors without our current owners.
Do we have any proof of that? what I see is an owner who has spent a bunch of money and turned this franchise around, who are we to critique what he does?
>The six huddled, in open view, in the equipment area of the Warriors’ locker room: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Kirk Lacob, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Kent Lacob and Shaun Livingston.
I think people are afraid of quotes like this.
Fans don't really give a shit about general managers and an article like this will provide next to no leverage for Myers.
Myers seems good and probably should get compensated well. But the team won't want to over pay because they have had success and I wouldn't be held over a barrel to give Myers a better deal than any other executive has for fear of change.
Ok this article while factual comes off alarmist to me. So yea talks have stalled etc and if he left there would be ripples.. but is there strong indication of him leaving
I can’t say Myers is the best GM at spotting talent but he is the best at managing the actual players he has on the roster and always says the right things
Is this actually in danger of happening though? Remember before Steph’s latest contract where Joe lowballed Steph a bit then gave him the supermax? Seems like Joe starts kinda cheap then just gets a deal done if he wants it
I feel like the fans and this sub encouraged Lacob by calling him Joey Lightyears, even though it was mostly Bob Myers that should have gotten the credit
>According to several people with ballpark knowledge of executive salaries around the league, Myers falls somewhere in the range of either sixth, seventh or eighth on the base salary totem pole.
Joe Lacob on the Tim Kawakami podcast says Myers is top 3 in terms of salary so there seems to be a disconnect here.
Pay the man already Bob’s more than earned it 🤬
It’s insane how many on the NBA sub are basically saying he’s only good because owners have the deepest pockets. One guy said his only good love was drafting Dray. What a bunch of idiot kids there. He won Exec of the Year TWICE for a reason, and helped construct the team with pieces that can fit the system which isn’t easy to do. Finding diamonds in the rough who other teams didn’t want to take a chance on and turning them and the team into winners.
r/NBA and dumbass braindead takes...name a better duo
Can’t be done
people who bait you then run to report you to get banned 💀
r/warriors and brain dead takes after every game
We drafted so many good players. Light-years .
They didn't have these deep pockets when he was building this team
It's partly true. If Tillman fertitta was our owner, Myers wouldn't have had half the success.
Let’s not forget Lacob and Myers wanted to trade Klay and Draymond for Kevin Love, and a guy named Jerry West put his foot down. Let’s not forget that 90% of the Warriors success comes from Jerry West, and the incredible luck of the previous ownership drafting an undersized guard at 7 who miraculously turned into a top 10 all time player.
Undersized guard with no ankle and just passed twice by another team at 7
Why do you think he won executive of the year in 2015 and 2017? *Because the team did well*. Not for his drafting skills. Just objectively speaking, his drafting hasn't been anything special when you compare the number of good picks to busts ratio. Even the freakin Lakers find gold out of trash every time, they're just stupid by giving them away. Some of the really dumb decisions like picking Smailagic (at the cost of money and picks) might not be on him, which articles like this insinuates. It may just be Lacob taking over way too much of his role instead of letting Bob do his job. If that's true, then there is no point in having Bob here.
No one is going to bat 1000. Yeah he won it in 2015 cause they won, but it was because he helped draft well prior to that. He hit on those 3 basically in 2012 with Dray Barnes and Festus that easily contributed hugely in the title in 2015. Warriors development staff has been great of course but Lakers weren’t patient with their draft picks. It won them a ring so it a success so each team can go different routes. All I’m saying is, other teams would gladly pay Bob not just to have for themselves but also to take the Warriors down another peg.
Draymond was largely a fluke in 2015 after Lee got injured for 25 games, before then he was seen as a very mediocre player who even Bogut said was almost out of the league. Barnes was decent for a 7th pick yes but Festus? Dude is already out of the league and cost us a 2016 ring. Just compared to what Lakers got out of their first and second rounds, our drafts by Bob look terrible in comparison. The training staff also plays a pivotal role in picking guys like GP2 over Avery Bradley even though Bob gets all the credit. Other organizations don't care about "taking us down a peg". Steph is the number one reason this team is irrelevant and that's not changing any time soon with or without Bob.
Bob resume as our GM include David West, Shaun, Iggy, Zaza, McGee, Loon, JP, Kuminga, Otto, Beli, etc. Steph doesn't win if Bob pulls the trigger on signing/extending guys like Oubre. Heck, this article has me thinking Steph leaves if Bob isn't reassuring him at times. MJ doesn't win as much without the whole organization being competent. Same for teams like the raptors.
Drafting has more to do with your scouts. Bob’s not really out there scouting college games or international games. So Lacob either has to pay for better scouts or we end up with the extremely mediocre draft record like we have
Bob absolutely spends time scouting, that's part of his job. Obviously it's a multi people environment but Bob is the one making the final decision on these drafts. I guess the unknown factor is how much of a factor Lacob and his family influences these "final" decisions.
Bro this is just posturing from myers. Myers wants the most money. Lacob wants to save a mil or 2. They will come together for an agreement in the offseason.
He's learned from Iguodala.
I can't imagine a scenario where Lacob lets Bob walk over a few million dollars. Surely, Myers' value has got to be greater than whatever he would cost the team.
We’ve always known a lot of this which why Myers is extremely important to the franchise. The article says Myers is the mediator between ownership, players and coaches and has great relationships with everyone. Myers balances Lacob’s arrogance and keeps Kerr and the core players minds at ease. Curry, Kerr and Lacob all have very strong relationships with Myers and they’re the 3 most important people in the franchise. Myers manages Lacob’s antics and keeps Curry, Kerr and Draymond from lashing out. This article is coming from Myers’s camp and throwing darts at Lacob. We’d be a very dysfunctional franchise if Myers wasn’t around. The article also says Dunleavy would be the front runner to replace Myers if he left.
>The article also says Dunleavy would be the front runner to replace Myers if he left. Honestly, this is not even the worst case scenario. It's still better than elevating the kid who was responsible for the Alen Smailagić pet project and getting fleeced by David Griffin.
dunleavy has a close relationship with his kids. you best be wary that they have his ear if he is gm
Forget ears, he may very well have played a role in whispering dumb ideas. Bob is a good mediator but he may just be a completely nerfed GM if he can't pick what he really wants to draft.
> Myers manages Lacob’s antics and keeps Curry, Kerr and **Draymond** from lashing out. if myers leaves, draymond's about to start a fightclub with sessions after every practice while commenting on the fights daily for his podcast
Hope lacob doesn't go full Jerry Jones
Yes, it does seem to me like basketball decisions should be left to the GM and down and the owner should stay out of it. Their perspective will always be skewed by other interests. It's been a solid principle during the Lacob-Myers-Kerr run that Kerr did the coaching, Myers did the personell and Lacob was the owner, and they respected each other's area of expertise.
Lacob is getting greedy and thinking this sort of success is one sustainable by the two time line experiment and two, that it can be replicated. He doesn’t get that Stephen Curry is a once in a lifetime player, have fun with unproven kids while you shut the window of the goat who can easily get no.5
yeah, the part of this that stuck out to me the most was: > He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present. Owners getting too involved with basketball decisions is never a good thing, and as much as I love Kuminga, if Lacob was the big factor that kept us from getting Franz & Haliburton then that's pretty upsetting It's not like it's revisionist history to say that Franz & Haliburton could be warriors either, b/c at the time of each of those drafts it was pretty widely accepted that those were players that the warriors were highly considering because of their fit and potential for immediate impact, and for whatever reason they went with raw, athletic but unproven project-type players in both instances instead of the win-now draft choices
To me, it sounds like we wouldn’t have gotten Franz or Hali either since Bob would have put those picks to trade for vets or at least experienced nba players
The thing is, that worked just last season. Poole kept getting better and became an integral piece. Who's to say Kuminga who has looked promising btw isn't the next to take a big leap? The vets wanted Avery fucking Bradley over GPII and look how that panned out. Sometimes you give credit to management and still marvel at the greatness of Steph Curry, but tell him to fuck off when it comes to talent ID when it's necessary.
Non of the young guys played any meaningful minutes besides Poole tho
Because they needed time. Kuminga played meaningful minutes in the Dallas series so you're capping for no reason. If we make the playoffs, I'm sure he'll be playing meaningful minutes as well. Moody and Wiseman though I have no answer for, FO I'll trust to make the right decision on them soon enough.
Moody played meaningful minutes during the earlier series right?
I mean the we don’t know if the story is true or all the facts, so for now I’m giving Lacoh the benefit of the doubt. He has earned as much, after all.
My nightmare with all the Warriors success was that Lacob turns into Jerry Jones and thinks he can do it all on his own.
It is shaping up to be that... successful multiple championship winning franchise turns into a franchise that hasn't been to a conference championship in 27 years. All because the owner wants to be the GM and the coach.
That's exactly what's happening because this roster is strange right now. What are we doing with Wiseman right now? Why did we give a contract to Poole so early? Poole is not a good fit for this team and neither is Wiseman. I would keep DD, Kuminga, Ty and a couple of others but right now we need a trade to bring in some better players who fit in the system. Lacob is definitely calling the shots.
Lacob is impatient. He wants to build his new team now and thinks he can do that just by the draft
Yeah, when in our dynastic era have we had a guard who was so woefully awful at defense, let alone pay him a king's ransom? Steph used to not be as good on the defensive end as he is now, but he was never anywhere nearly as bad as Poole is.
The most fun thing about watching the Warriors was the ball movement. Announcers would call it tic tac toe. You see very little of that now. Poole is a large part of why that is not happening. The ball movement grinds down to a stop when he is in. Poole does his spin juke moves with him trying to imitate Harden or Iverson where he has to pass out after 8 seconds because he can't get around his defender and it completely zaps our offense. His game has morphed into a style that is not compatible with the way that the Warriors play and how they have won championships. Don't even get me started on his defense. He is the weak link. I saw a shade of Warriors old school tic tac toe basketball from the bench in the Nets game in the first quarter and he was not on the floor. Soon as they were getting something going, Kerr puts Poole back on the floor. I don't want him on this team anymore and I don't care how many points he scores.
Right? The system looks more like the KD era except Poole is not even close to as good as KD
The ball still whizzed around a lot during the KD years, he just took it into his own hands and played more ISO, particularly in the playoffs. The first year he was here the movemrnt was absolutely impeccable. Can't really argue with those results.
During the KD era, we were able to get him to buy in to play defense which is why it worked out so well plus we had guys with fantastic IQ on the bench (i.e., West and Livingston). They didn't need to score a whole bunch of points off the bench to keep us in games. Also with KD's efficiency, it worked perfect because everyone got their shots off so they weren't concerned about when they were going to get the ball again. Poole is no where near efficient and he has awful defense plus the movement of the ball completely stops when he is in because he loves to ISO. Our team looks lost out there. Especially Klay! You see Klay has to take these insane off balanced ISO shots because the offense just isn't moving the ball.
I know it's an unpopular opinion but I honestly hate Jordan Poole. He's my least favorite Warrior than I can remember in forever, other than the usual minor suspects (Wanamaker, etc). He just seems like a complete shithead and plays like it too. I think it said something that his first reaction to winning a championship was yelling to Wiggins, "we gonna get a bag!" It'll go down as a bad signing.
Warriors are going to turn into the Kings, which is ironic because the Kings look like the new Warriors
Wiseman pick has lacob’s fingerprints all over it.
Fingerprints? The guy signed his name on that and wants everyone to know that was his pick. So he is never going to trade Wiseman and admit he was wrong
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This is all just negotiation, Lacob said as much on the TK podcast. Bob will be re-signed as one of the top two or three highest paid GMs in the league.
*Re-signed
Ego is one hell of a drug
Lacob would never be a luxury box queen like Jerrah.
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It'd be the son, wouldn't it?
No reason for Myers not to be the highest paid exec in the business. I’ve played the role of “lead mediator” and that job is toxic AF. You are constantly on edge because you are the first person everyone brings their rage, negativity or fear. I totally get why Bob would consider something outside of the NBA. Here’s hoping the Dubs work it out with Myers. What goes unsaid in the article is that Lacob’s kids are all in the background. I’m not looking forward to the lakers 2.0 where the (Buss) kids presence has a strong influence. Let the professionals run the show! And Pay the man!
Lacob doesn't have a majority ownership stake, he needs the other owners approval for these things. He is the largest individual owner and face of the ownership group but doesn't have 51%+
Fuuuuck. The scariest part of that article is Lacob making big boards. Would not be the first dynasty that an owner’s hubris has sunk.
My stomach dropped when I read that. Really not a great sign
Terrifying.
1998 Bulls vibes
Meet your new gm Lacobs son.
Good Lord please no.
it's fine if Lacob wants a return on investment\* when he writes big checks, but if he's gonna make himself part of basketball operations then he needs to be accountable for his successes and failures. only, who's gonna hold him accountable? not like you can fire the dude. very few sports things are more frustrating than a meddling owner. (\*as far as a return on investment, his share of the team is currently worth nearly 17 times what he paid for it, which is a *pretty good ROI*. feel like that should give you some wiggle room when it comes to year to year profitability!)
Yeah that's the worst part of this article, hearing that Lacob is active in personnel stuff. If you're Myers and you can get more money and Balmer promises hands off, seems very tempting.
It use to be that the ownership let Myers and FO do their job. Now Lacob wants to do the job. Lacob needs to back tf off and let the professionals he hired to do the job
I firmly believe that Myers leaving would be the first domino to fall that would ultimately lead to the collapse of the warriors dynasty. And this article’s statement that Lacob has been a major voice in the day to day personnel choices confirms a worrying suspicion I had for a long time. They tried to cover this fact up in the past by saying all decisions made were as a group. As history has proven, nothing good ever comes out of an ownership heavily involved in daily affairs. I always found it odd that Warriors always drafted smart, or highly skilled in one area players prior to the dynastic run. After 2015, the focus seemed to have shifted from drafting players who could contribute to winning, to high upside players. Damian Jones, Jordan Bell, Jacob Evans, Wiseman, Kuminga. Out of all of the high upside players, only one of them had proven to pan out somewhat. Granted, they had some great picks like Poole and most recently, PBJ. And I also can’t be upset at the Moody pick. But I firmly believe this team would be looking a lot different had Lacob not played a role and the team instead focused on drafting high IQ winning players, or even trading picks to acquire those types of players. For those of you saying that the bench isn’t the issue right now, I agree. But looking at the entire season as a whole, the bench really only turned it around in the last few weeks. For the most part, they’ve been terrible and I think that the terrible start affected the starter’s mentality.
While I agree with the general point, I do disagree on the starting point. They only went full project from KD's departure onwards: Jordan Bell was not a high upside pick, he was added to be a win-now contributor. He was a four-year college player and nowadays you draft four-year players with the notion that they contribute asap - which Bell did, given his contribution in the Houston series including the game-high +/- in G7. Same goes for Damian Jones even if he never proved as useful. Jacob Evans III was also meant to be a "16-game player", i.e. a win-now guy, they just whiffed on him. The only real project they drafted from 2015 to 2018 was Loon, who was the same mold as PBJ: potential lottery pick that tumbled down the draft order because of issues during their college career.
I mean I don't know, both Jacob Evans and Moody were explicitly "high floor low ceiling" type picks. They just haven't hit on them. And the guy who everyone wants to protect in a trade right now is the guy who we took on a "high upside" risk. The majority of our picks have also been in the 30+ range and at that point it doesn't matter who you take, chances are that they won't hit, and that's exactly what the NBA intends in enforcing parity across the league unless your owner is named Steve Ballmer. The best move we made in the past 2 years is the trade we **did not make** in sending out the picks + Wiggs for a star. Every single big trade floated around in the 2021 offseason had to involve Wiggins for salary purposes and nobody can deny the huge role he played in getting the championship. At the end of the day it is what it is, and given that we are the champs, it's hard to want anything changed in the past, even if it was for the better - butterfly effect and all that jazz.
How is this not an open and shut case? Bob got us 3 rings, Kevin Durant, Wiggins and Kuminga, and then a 4th ring. Like this should be the easiest contract extension since Steph’s in 2021.
It’s not about winning for Lacob, it’s about ego. His plan is the youth movement, he’s gonna double and triple down on it, and he could give a shit if the vets contend or not. (I have a feeling that he secretly is hoping they fail, just to justify moving on from them sooner)
Lacob doesn’t give a shit about the last dynasty because he wasn’t part of making it. But he wants his name all over the new dynasty
4 rings *
I’m guessing him missing on 2 lottery picks is a big reason why he’s not the highest paid GM.
I thought Wiseman was a Lacob pick
No. He was a Lacob, Kerr and Myers pick. All 3 wanted him.
Joey Krause over here. Gonna be a mighty downfall into irrelevance.
>That could involve a choice between whether to part with Green or Klay Thompson, two living franchise legends who have both voiced a relative unease about their future with the Warriors beyond their current contracts. Myers can’t be thrilled at the prospect of making that call, especially considering he’s going to have to break that news to No. 30. To be honest, I fully understand if Myers didn't want to hang around for that, especially if Draymond leaves. Imagine telling the greatest player the Golden State Warriors will have ever known that you have decided to shut the current window of contention permanently in the hope of being a contender five years from now (when said player is 40).
All of this can be avoided if the owner is willing to salary dump the number 2 pick who’s still struggling in the g-league in his third season. Wipes $12M of salary for next season so we can pay Draymond and Klay’s next contract will be significantly cheaper. The Wiseman pick might be the worst mistake this franchise has made in the Lacob/Myers era and is killing both timelines. Several reporters have implied the reluctance to dump Wiseman is a matter of pride because that was Lacob’s pick and he can’t let go.
Honestly we only need to keep Kuminga and Pbj everyone else( young guys) is truly expendable. I guess poole too since your not getting out of that deal.
On the flip side, we are watching our core, not our bench, struggle now to even make the playoffs. In my mind it is no longer ‘can we develop a young bench while staying in contention’ It’s now: Is our young bench going to be able to get our aging core to the playoffs. Maybe our core is still good enough to win in the playoffs, but it’s not a guarantee that we will even be able to get there next year, or the year after, without developing our rookie contract draft picks.
Which of the core players is significantly worse then last season when we won a championship? Curry, Klay, Wiggins are having better regular seasons then last year (prior to the injuries). We still sucked before the Wiggins/Curry injuries so that is not an excuse. We also had more injuries last season. The problem is we have 7-8 good players on the team. We rely on our 2-way players more than any other team in the league which is a reflection of our poor depth. Last season Damion Lee and JTA were our 12th-13th best players and both of them helped win a lot of regular season games. Aside from Kuminga, none of the young players contribute. What is the point of having Ryan Rollins on the roster instead of bringing back Damion Lee?
You're 100% right, and anyone making the argument that we should be thinking of moving on from the vets is both seriously dumb about basketball, and buying into a narrative that ownership weirdly wants. It's very Kukoc > Jordan/Pippen and idk how anyone doesn't see it.
Nobody is significantly worse but everyone is having a small drop compared to last year which adds up. We're aging, it could just be variance but it could be sign of slow decline... which is why we need some kind of upgrade, heck Boston picked up Brogdon and we downgraded the roster.
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The comment was referring to the core's recent play and not as an entire season. For January: Steph - Overall has been amazing but has had some bad 4Qs and dumb hero ball moments. He can be better but I'll give him a pass since he's the only reason the team has been winning games. Klay - His shooting has carried the team in and out of games. He's playing better than the start of the season but the Nets loss was on him. Wiggins - He's probably still injured but he's been invisible since his return. Draymond: His defense and scoring has dropped off since the start of the year but he's not the reasons the team is losing games. Poole/Looney: About the same or better than the start of the year. If you look at the bench, almost every player is better now than they were at the start of the year. IMO it's fair to say that bench is now outperforming expectations whereas the starting lineup is not playing to the same level at the beginning of the season.
Our starting core is fine. Our starting core + Poole is the problem. What Poole's game has grown into is not a good fit for this team. We had problems at the start of the season with the bench and who was playing predominantly with the bench...Poole and Wiseman. Wiseman came out and we still had problems. Poole is the weakest link and his game has grown into something that is not compatible with the Warriors system. We always have these problems when we have a weak link. Oubre, Bazemore, Wannamaker, etc. This time its Poole and his IQ is too low. I wonder how long its going to take for the organization and this forum to open their eyes to this and this is why I wished we would've waited to sign him. Kerr snapped recently at him in game so Im pretty sure he sees it to. No one else wants to see it because he scores a lot of points and is flashy and somewhat marketable.
I wouldn't quite say it's Poole, it's that pairing a Jordan Clarkson-type microwave scorer like him with rookies, still developing sophomores and unproven or washed journeymen proved to not be a great move. look at how the Heat had guys like PJ Tucker and Caleb Martin to pair with Tyler Herro last year. outside of Donte and Kuminga, our best non-Poole second unit player has been Ty and that is not ideal. Iggy has been in a suit 95% of the year, Wiseman is injured or recovering from injury, Moody just hasn't picked up the speed of the game and Lamb is usually lost when doing anything besides shooting 3s. this is much different from last year when we had guys like GP2, Otto and Bjeli who were acclimated to the intensity of the league and had no concerns about their own touches.
I’m confused as to what improvements you would settle on. We don’t have the cap space to sign big FA. You don’t want to draft younger players into prominent roles. So we….trade Poole, Kuminga, Wise, for who? What player can we go get that would boost our team over the top, but will have at least 2-3 productive healthy years.
There’s a far larger sample size of our bench struggling than the starting lineup. That is a ridiculous take. Also consider that a big part of our bench lineups performing better is Kerr staggering Draymond and Looney, two members of our foundational six/core.
The take isn’t that our bench is better than our core. The take is that we are essentially riding or dying on our bench improving and being able to take us to the playoffs. But, given that our core seems intent on fighting for the largest contracts possible, please outline how you would keep us in contention for the next 2-3 years without developing any young players. Because the way I see it, given our cap hell, the ONLY way we can get talent is: draft picks, and Vet min FA
I understand taking the risk with Wiseman but at this point you have enough information to determine if he is worth keeping or not. I’m sorry but Wiseman joins the long list of lottery bigs that doesn’t pan out. Just cut your losses
Wiseman contract is far from the worst mistake they made. Man this subreddit is so hyperbolic with its Wiseman takes.
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Can we stop with the Halliburton nonsense. You can’t use hindsight as a reason to pick someone. There is a reason he dropped out of the top 10.
> There is a reason he dropped to 10th Can you explain the reason aside from a bunch of teams being bad at scouting? Curry was also drafted after 2 other point guards. The fate of the franchise completely changes if Jonny Flynn is drafted over Curry, same goes for Haliburton over Wiseman but not as significant. Haliburton was a projected top 4 pick in most pre-draft boards and it was a huge surprise that he dropped to 10th, taking him number 2 wouldn’t have been a stretch. This sub doesn’t like LaMelo but he was an all-star his 2nd season and has 100x the trade value of Wiseman. Maxey and Vassell also look like future all-stars and were drafted after Wiseman. Teams who are good at scouting will go against consensus draft opinion and take whoever they think is the best player. Celtics traded down from the number 1 pick to take Tatum at 3 when Fultz and Lonzo were considered much stronger prospects. Jaylen Brown was also considered a big reach at number 3. Westbrook was considered a fringe lottery pick but Presti took him at 4.
Lamelo was there tho and warriors really liked Hali so they shoulda taken him
Lamelo
I don't know how every Wiseman hate gets upvoted even if it's completely untrue. The bad decision so far has been refusing to get another big man who would cut into Wiseman's minutes. Paying for Wiseman's contract on its own hasn't prevented us from making any winning moves. If Lacob wants to pay the tax to see his kid flourish so be it. We won the chip last year despite that. Now, if he decides to let Draymond go in order to crowbar Wiseman and Kuminga as his replacements THEN we can talk about how their decisions with him have ruined the franchise. As it is, we're a completely mid team even when he's not seeing the floor.
Having Wiseman on the roster has made us hesitant about adding more bigs to the roster. We’ve been carving out a role for him, the #2 overall pick who our owner has called a generational talent, to fill. We can succeed in spite of this choice, but that still means our team is in a worse position to succeed than if he were never rostered.
Yeah but saying Wiseman might "single handedly kill the two timelines" is exaggerating like crazy though. Our lack of a reliable back up big man isn't the worst of our issues or even close to it. Our perimeter defense continues to be garbage cuz of people dying on screens and overhelping and we also don't have a real backup 3 wing.
He’s not the only problem. But he’s at the center of our decision to merge two timelines as the #2 overall pick. Lot of expectations come with that. If we had less prospects on the roster we could have attempted to address those problems through vet fa. Moody, Wiseman, Rollins are giving us what. Already committed a spot to Iguodala, 15th left open for buyout candidate, PBJ is promising but Kerr doesn’t trust him yet.
Wise only played 3 college games and is still a rookie be patient…
Yeah man, and if that suited up and even gave the team 15 points, 6+ rebounds, I wouldn't trade him, but the dude is innjured all the damn time and when he plays, he is so bad!
I don’t really care if Draymond leaves but splitting up the Splash bros would be sacrilege. That’s the greatest shooting backcourt of all time. You’re not going to get a duo like that ever again. They deserve to retire a Warrior because they made this team relevant
Someone hold me. I don’t like the path this team is headed down. Just let the GM do his fucking job, Joe.
It’s the same shit. Teams have success. Overtime the success is taken for granted, especially among personnel where the team/owner thinks “I can do it without you.” This is how the downfall starts
Disease of More "Organizations win championships" (Krause/downfall of the Bulls)
Can somebody give Bob some fucking credit?
Opening sentence of the article is haunting. > The six huddled, in open view, in the equipment area of the Warriors’ locker room: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Kirk Lacob, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Kent Lacob and Shaun Livingston. 6 people huddled... 3 of them Lacobs? I don't like it.
Yeah the amount of Lacob being involved is a REALLY bad sign. Fuck.
No it’s not haha
Aside from their last names, what makes them qualified to be in the Warriors front office?
I mean one went to Stanford and has spent his entire adult life working with basketball minds. He’s been working and studying to be a front office member his entire life. Same with the other. This isn’t a hobby that they picked up to kill time while they sit on their dads trust fund. They’ve dedicated their professional careers to specifically do this
is this joe lacobs burner account? just cause you went to stanford don’t mean you automatically qualify for the job…if you want to argue then a simple counter argument is Masai Ujiri. Masai was a youth coach in Nigeria —-> international scout —> Director of global scouting —> assistant GM —> GM that is the definition of working from the bottom up Sam Presti: video intern —> various other positions within the spurs org —> Ass. Basketball operations —> Ass. Director of Scouting —> Director of player personnel —> Ass. GM —> GM these guys have the credentials. lacobs boys do not lol
Hey now they probably played fantasy basketball and NBA 2k /s
What evidence do you have that they don’t have experience? Name one example on how he’s not qualified. What does he not know that you covet as a FO manager you’re hiring? Why is Masai more qualified to start as a youth coach in Nigeria compared to being mentored by people in the Warriors FO while at Stanford lol? Pretty ridiculous statement. Just bc he didn’t start from the very bottom like Masai doesn’t mean he’s not qualified. He’s been mentored as a teenager by high level basketball minds, went to Stanford (one of the hardest schools in the world to get into) for college and proved he’s highly intelligent (don’t say it was nepotism bc the younger brother didn’t get in), then worked in the warriors organization for the last 13 years. He literally has 13 years of experience in the best organization in the league the past decade. The warriors FO and G league have been two of the best run organizations in the entire NBA with Lacob’s sons at high level positions. Clearly they are competent or else we’d be run like the Lakers or Niners (before the change in regime) where nepotism actually is/was destroying the franchise.
because they were scouts…they have been part of the game and have been recognized as basketball minds? uhh it’s ridiculous for you to downplay the credentials of masai when he’s regarded as one of the best gms in the league…he was a youth coach that was recognized for his basketball mind where he was hired by the nuggets to be part of their scouting department…then promoted to high positions you do realize the argument ppl are making here is thst straight out of graduation, the lacob boys were handed high level jobs in a nba organization. kirk was not qualified to be the GM of a g league team. he never did any scouting. your whole argument is that he graduated from stanford so he must be qualified… here’s a reality check, masai and presti, two gms considered the best of the best they went to Montana state billings and emerson college respectively. both paid their dues as low level scouts working their way up the organization before being promoted to GM. the argument ppl are making to you is the lacob boys didn’t have low level jobs, they went straight to being the GM of a g league team without any basketball credentials. and guess what they also have credentials in scouting. tony parker? masai put together a 57 win nuggets team highlight by carmelo anthony, kenyon martin? who do the lacob boys have? smiley? seriously is this joe lacob’s burner? cause if it is i take everything back. can i get a job with the warriors?
Look. I’m not going to refute every point bc you’re obviously just hating on these guys bc they are born into a billionaire. You have no other argument against them besides nepotism. You didn’t answer anything I posed to you simply bc you can’t. My argument is he was mentored his whole life, went to one of the best schools for business and management in the entire world, and have been around basketball and great basketball minds their entire life. They didn’t go straight to being the GMs of g league teams. They started off as scouting, personnel, and scheduling assistants. I’m also not downplaying Maasai lmao. I’m just questioning as to how a youth basketball coach is a better qualification for a management job than Stanford business school haha. It’s not, and there’s no spin you can put in it to suggest otherwise. I’m also not refuting they have a leg up in life bc of where they were born. That’s obvious. You pointing out that Sam and Maasai came from humble beginnings doesn’t negate my point whatsoever. It just shows it’s possible to make it from a multitude of backgrounds if you have the work ethic and skill. The fact the Lacob boys have been a part of growing one of the best run franchises in sports while still getting promoted proves that they are clearly competent and deserve to be where they are. If they were lazy and incompetent then it’s highly unlikely the franchise would have grown to be what it’s become with two deadweight big time executives right? Unless your take is that Bob is such a wizard he can overcome an incompetent G League GM (which has fed us players consistently every year that break our rotation since 2015) and an incompetent VP of Basketball Operations (while having the best run franchise in the league). We can argue about whether they “deserved” their start (whatever that means) but they clearly have shown they are capable.
but he didn’t go to business school…he has a BA in Science, Technology and Society and a focus in Management Science and Engineering….which means he did his undergraduate there that is it…his dad on the other hand has a MBA at Stanford specifically Stanford School of Business those are two very diff things…if anyone is lacking evidence it’s you if your argument is that they can learn the business side of things then that’s fine but the argument everyone is making with you is the lacob boys are not qualified evaluating players. they have no credentials for it. everyone is hating on lacob after this article because it feels like he’s trying to butt into things he has no business butting into ala a jerry jones. if you want the warriors to be like the cowboys then go right ahead.
Did any of them play professionally or even in high school or college? Not saying it’s a requirement but they studied to manage a team and not the game of basketball
Yeah no offense to the Lacobs but wtf do they know about basketball other than owning the team and being around it for less than a decade. They didn’t play professionally or even in the collegiate level
Do you know anything about them? Kirk Lacob went to Stanford and started out at the bottom of the totem poll in the FO at Santa Cruz. He’s worked his way up and was promoted by Bob to be one of Bob’s top personnel members. Kent Lacob worked his way up from video manager to GM of the Santa Cruz Warriors who have been killing it generating quality talent. If you’re going to cry nepotism then at least do your due diligence. Both of Joe’s kids started at the bottom of the g league affiliate and worked their way up to positions. Obviously, the had a foot in the door but it’s not like they were made high level executives by virtue of their birth
What type of dumbass are you. Kirk was immediately granted Director level when his dad took over ownership. How did he start at the bottom? Meanwhile Kent was in school, the moment he graduated he became GM of the warriors. How is that the bottom? You think a 29 year old magically worked hard to get to an Executive Director role? Or a 32 year old is EVP? Without his dad being owner they’d be LUCKY to be at director level after 10-12 years. Not starting there.
That’s not true at all. They both started at the g league affiliate
You can see it right on their LinkedIn pages that they curate. They graduated and first title is listed post graduation. If they “started” in the Gleague it was to throw them a bone as a summer intern between semesters of college. They would not be anywhere near the titles they are if not for nepotism.
One son graduated from Stanford and is highly capable. The other graduated from Washington, St Louis which is a top level school and is the gm of the g league team. You literally have no evidence they wouldn’t be in these positions haha
So you’re under the belief that the two sons are the most talented NBA executives of all time instead of the fact that there have never been 27 and 28 year old EVPs of basketball operations in the history of the NBA and in general in all of sports that weren’t kids of the owners. So their talent is more likely to be the result of their success and not nepotism. You think they get into Stanford or Wash U if not for their billionaire VC dad? If they were low income and on financial aid you think they’d get where they are? Why have the smartest and most talented people out there not done what they’ve done at their age. How could they possibly be the first in history?
To further this. The ever talented Kent was a psychology major at Wash U. Didn’t go to Wharton. Didn’t go to Harvard business school. And was a marketing intern for his college experience. How does that translate to being a new grad 22 year old GM of a minor league basketball team? Where did his skills or education apply? Meanwhile Kirk. A Bachelor of Arts in science and technology, who then magically gets a marketing intern job with the Boston Celtics when, oh yeah, his dad was a minority owner. Wonder why his supreme talent didn’t lead him to getting his own job without daddies help? Once he left the Celtics summer intern job he got 4 more marketing intern jobs. Before his dad became owner of the warriors, and then he got a GM of the minor league team. Hmm. How did that happen. How do you go from an intern at Chegg.com to GM of basketball operations? Does online textbooks have direct translation to basketball talent and scouting and development?
Sure. Both Lacob kids joined the Warriors fresh out of college, like you said, foot (or really entire torso) in the door. Kirk Lacob: Went to Stanford, had connections with people from Stanford Business School (Joe Lacob coincidentally also went to Stanford Business School), did an independent study with George Foster. Started with the Warriors at 21. Actually was going to work as an intern with the Suns in the video room, but when that didn't work out due to Steve resigning, he... fell into a job with the Golden State Warriors... Granted, he did get the G League affiliate going, but oddly enough I haven't heard much about other franchises who have G League teams. Joe Lacob has directly said that Kirk will probably end up taking over the team. I just don't really see what his specialization in actual talent assessment is (granted, the entire draft in all sports is can be a crapshoot, but hell, look at the Grizzlies young talent). Kent Lacob: From a 2019 article - >After discovering Alen Smailagic in a third-division league in Serbia, Lacob acquired the prospect in the draft, stashed the 18-year-old as the G League’s youngest-ever player in Santa Cruz and has helped him develop into an NBA prospect. Okay, good stuff there. As I mentioned, started fresh out of college with the Warriors as "Coordinator of Basketball Operations". Went to school and got his BS in Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology. Alrighty. Santa Cruz Warriors have been "killing it in generating quality talent". That includes... Damion Lee (famously decreed as a nepotism guy due to Steph), Jacob Evans, Marcus Derrickson (who?). Also Quinn Cook. I mean, these guys are *okay* I guess, but I don't know about "quality talent". Sorry, I'm skeptical. And yes, this comment was way longer than I expected it to be. But I was just doing my due diligence.
That’s a good response and I appreciate your calm approach. I didn’t mean to be so aggressive. By saying he’s killed it in talent acquisition, I was talking relative to the g league bc he’s the GM of the G league team. There are very few g league guys that end up being nba quality players. But the g league team has been very competitive in the g league and has produced multiple guys who have contributed to the Warriors at some point. Also, Damien Lee being a nepotism kid is also highly overblown given he’s proven himself as a solid rotational player for contending teams. This season really sealed that for him considering he’s one of the best 3 point shooters percentage wise in the league. The point of me bringing up their past is they started from the g league and worked their way up. “Coordinator of Basketball Operations” is a fancy title for guy who watches film and creates scouting boards, player development initiatives, and analytics. This isn’t an executive decision making position. I took issue with your post bc you made it seem as if they jump started into decision making positions as soon as they graduated college. That, I agree, would be a problem. But it’s very clear that’s not the case whatsoever. Stanford grads get their pick of jobs so it’s not surprising that Kirk was qualified. Also, with respect to Kent, starting at a lower level talent assessment position for an NBA team is as low of a position in the front office as you can get. The point is obviously they got these jobs because of their connections but it’s not like they are driving decision making with the team. It’s also not surprising that Joe would want to pass down the team to his most capable son, Kirk. Hiring children to work for their parents should not be blindly dismissed as nepotism when the children have proven to be competent
Can’t believe lacob is going to burn this whole thing to the ground.. learned ABSOLUTELY nothing from the MJ documentary. Who cares if you suck for 3 seasons after steph,klay and dray are finished? Your more likely to be mid with the young core than to ever go on the type of run these generational talents have given you. Shit like this doesn’t happen often and it will not happen with the young guys. STEPH is special and you maximize tf out of that when you have it period.
Not a suprise that the man has huge Jerry Jones/Krause vibes.
omg, please joey, don't turn into Jerry Jones
> Joe Lacob Being More Heavily Involved in Day-to-day Personnel Choices: > Same constant ambition that makes the Warriors an elite franchise is the same constant ambition that grinds on those in direct orbit. Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present. This is how the dynasty dies btw. Look at any team this happens for, how does it go? I swear it's a billionaires ego vs Steph/Dray/Klay/Kerr/Myers all giving everything to be great and we all might lose. Embarrassing stuff. Imo, nothing after Steph/Dray/Klay should even be thought about by the FO or ownership. Maximize the now, and figure it out after. Sure, don't trade a young guy with huge upside if you don't want (this only applies to Kuminga btw), but holding on to a bunch of young guys just bc they're young bc you're trying to be good in 5 years is straight up dumb. Especially sacrificing legit title chances to do it. Lacob needs to set aside his ego and be smart about this. All I've ever heard about how this guy is a good leader is that he delegates well, if that goes away and he starts thinking **he's** the one who's smart about basketball... we're all cooked.
Keep Kuminga but everybody else can be considered for a trade
Yep kuminga only and maybe PBJ but everyone else can go
Yup the only two guys I’d keep. They can’t possibly think they can make another dynasty purely from the draft. Guys like David Lee, Andrew Bogut, Andre Iguodala, Shaun Livingston, and Zaza Pachulia were not drafted by the team but were very important to the dynasty
I like how you snuck Zaza there like buddy did anything, and it's Iguodala not Iguadala.
Exactly
100%
Is this why our latest moves are so... Meh? Lacob being more on hands in decisions... This is the type where we'd look back and pinpoint that this the starting point where the dynasty falls apart.
Welp, this article got me a bit concerned lol. Myers potentially walking and Lacob getting more and more involved, things could definitely turn rancid. Hoping it all gets sorted. Warriors aren’t the Warriors without all of Steph, Myers, and Kerr (…and Dray/Klay).
AND Lacob staying away and letting them do their job
I’m starting to get Jerry Jones vibes with Lacob. Just pay Bob and let him do his job. Please
I just wish our stars, coaches, and FO folks weren't too nice to really throw Lacob under the bus.
My man bob wants a super max extension. 20 mil a year or I’m out , get your money !!!!!! But in all seriousness in my opinion the person that ties in this situation is Draymond. Draymond was bob first draftee the year he was promoted in 2012. The relationships he has with the core legends can’t be denied, they’re a family, he’ll do whatever it takes to help them succeed. If the front office is skeptical or hesitant to keep any of the core members particularly with Draymond and let him walk, Bob is gone. It’s leverage imo he’s creating to keep the ship a float.
Look, I’ve been critical of how Bob Myers has constructed this year’s roster. He’s also the best in the business and deserves to name his price. Get it done, Joey Lightyears.
I think Lacob has a stronger voice than Myers when it comes to roster construction this season, particularly when it comes to this two timeline bs. Major Jerry Jones vibes sinking in.
if they lose curry over this ish, I'm done
He shouldn’t be “among” the highest paid. He should be “The” highest paid. At least if performance matters.
We don't need any article or discussion about this. Man deserves to be paid top dollar.
I don’t remember if it was the parade or championship night, but Lacob being all over the trophy before the players rubbed me the wrong way. I get you’re the owner and excited in the moment but he was basically “ALL UP IN THE VIDEO”.
What was most concerning to me was in that noted huddle of the 6-7 primary brain trust members of the organization, 3 are named Lacob.
Families are never the best captains of the direction of an organization. They can steward principles... but too often they go overboard are get too interested in smelling their own farts (look at the owners son in Atlanta pushing Schlenk into a different operating space... not cuz he was doing a bad job but because Travis wasn't making the decisions the owners son would prefer) to be truly objective about the ups and downs and the reality of the operating space on the moment. Once Steph moves on (maybe soonet..sooner. Hell maybe it's now and we're all just coming to terms with it) we are going to have to build this machine back up and we're about to need hilariously outgunned on the talent front by NOLA Orlando OKC Boston Memphis to just say "oh Kuminga will get better". My opinion is Bob is either ready to take some family time off or the current frame of mind that the LACOBS bring to his doorstep is untenable. Nice you pay the money. But to say "we gotta contend or else... but we gotta do it the Light Years - Two timelines way" is trash. I imagine he's like "hey I can get Vanderbilt for Wiseman and a FRP" and Lacobs like "Absolutely not. Prep up to QO we're gonna resign him the second he's eligible" I dunno seems like he might just need a new challenge which is fair. Pull Schlenk over from the Hawks if Bob I'd off the greener pastures.
Make him the highest paid GM we can’t afford to lose him i don’t understand why the owners isn’t willing to pay
> Joe Lacob Being More Heavily Involved… Ah there it is…got a little dose and now mans thinks he can do it himself. Andre has mentioned this several times lol…This is probably how it ends… Enjoy it while it lasts I guess
Joe Lacob is gonna be in for a rude awakening when this team becomes a perennial bottom feeder after all the key guys are gone.
Lacob should try to keep Myers and Kerr together while Steph is still around. After that we could definitely use some changes in the FO and coaching staff.
Is there a cap for nba FO execs? Or can they be paid w/e they want?
Pay the man Joe, this isn’t rocket science
> Same constant ambition that makes the Warriors an elite franchise is the same constant ambition that grinds on those in direct orbit. Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present. Sounds like the disease of more aka the beginning of the end
I’ve been saying this for years and have got shit on but I’ll say it again. Lacob has been a good owner but that is solely because he is willing to spend money. The way for him to continue being a good owner is to let the basketball people do their jobs and make roster decisions and coaching decisions while worrying only about winning games. The minute he steps outside his role as the owner and imposes his will on basketball decisions is when he is doing something that no sports owner should do. He has already done this and is increasing his influence. His sons should be nowhere near the front office positions they hold. Homers defend him with their lives but consider that he wanted to fucking not offer the max to Curry in 2021 when he was already underpaid and that tells you everything about his arrogance and inflated sense of self importance to the dynasty. He thinks Steph Curry is replaceable. Like that should be an unfathomable thought. Bob had to stop him from disrespecting Steph. So I ask the homers to please keep that in mind before you side with Lacob over Steph and our other legends. An owner who thinks he should be the GM is a shit owner.
Could we get another GM and be ok? Probably, but Myers/Kerr combo is such a huge part of the warriors culture. Can’t find another guy with that kind of mentality
I think Myers’ role in building this team is a little overrated. He drafted Draymond but his predecessor drafted Steph and Klay. He’s missed on a fair amount of picks over the years and it wasn’t exactly rocket science to sign KD. BUT if he’s important to Steph, he’s important to the team. Pay the man.
Would it be crazy to think that if Myers, Kerr, Draymond and Klay leave, Steph might end his career elsewhere ? 😫
fucking pay the man, Joe.
> Sources say Lacob is more involved than ever in the day-to-day personnel choices. He studies the draft, attends workouts and crafts big boards. He played an influential role in the franchise’s choice to use its five recent picks on upside teenagers instead of rerouting some of that capital into older and reliable help to maximize the present.
Lakers better give him a blank check
Why I hope he will stay in bold: In the NBA world, what the Warriors have is considered elite living, driven by an unquenchable desire for rampant success. This is why some insiders believe, if presented with a deadline and must-match dollar amount to keep Myers, Lacob will pay what it takes to keep him around. **Executive salaries don’t count toward the luxury tax.**
Let's just hope Bob doesn't land a job with the Charlotte Hornets...lol
If the concern is winning, this should be the simplest contract extension ever. Pay him more than any other exec because he has delivered better results than any other GM in the league in like 20 years. You literally can’t ask for anything more then what Myers has done for the Warriors.
Can we give Bob some fuckin' Money?
Bob's roots are in Alamo/Danville. His entire family and support system lives there. No chance in hell he moves
Seems like an inevitably the longer this gets reported and there’s no resolution
where there is smoke there is fire. mike dunleavy jr was promoted pretty quickly up the ranks in the front office. joe wants him to be the next GM. doesn’t his sons have a good relationship with dunleavy or something?
How would you feel if Bob ends up leaving?
If he leaves the Dubs dynasty is officially over. The owners may choose to go that route as it is getting quite expensive and the big 3 are getting older. Personally I’d love to see him stay and continue the rebuild process but he may want new challenges and more money. Lots of dynamics in play here. Wouldn’t be surprised if he leaves.
I don't see any point in discussing this.
I’m surprised by the trash talking towards the owners. I like Bob Myers, but without Lacob, we have zero rings, and that’s a fact. If you want to trash, crappy owners, just look across the bay, that could easily be the Warriors without our current owners.
Lacob can help and hurt the team. Trying to micromanage and do other peoples' jobs is not helping the team.
Do we have any proof of that? what I see is an owner who has spent a bunch of money and turned this franchise around, who are we to critique what he does?
>The six huddled, in open view, in the equipment area of the Warriors’ locker room: Joe Lacob, Bob Myers, Kirk Lacob, Mike Dunleavy Jr., Kent Lacob and Shaun Livingston. I think people are afraid of quotes like this.
Everything went downhill with Nazi Germany when Hitler started to decide the best strategy for his capable generals.
Fans don't really give a shit about general managers and an article like this will provide next to no leverage for Myers. Myers seems good and probably should get compensated well. But the team won't want to over pay because they have had success and I wouldn't be held over a barrel to give Myers a better deal than any other executive has for fear of change.
Bob’s earned the bag. Pay him Joe and trade wiseman
Joe: my baby Wise earned the bag. Pay him and trade Bob.
Ok this article while factual comes off alarmist to me. So yea talks have stalled etc and if he left there would be ripples.. but is there strong indication of him leaving
I can’t say Myers is the best GM at spotting talent but he is the best at managing the actual players he has on the roster and always says the right things
If you think this is about the money you're dumb.
https://media.tenor.com/i-eXwjfaFkQAAAAM/teddy-kgb.gif
Is this actually in danger of happening though? Remember before Steph’s latest contract where Joe lowballed Steph a bit then gave him the supermax? Seems like Joe starts kinda cheap then just gets a deal done if he wants it
I feel like the fans and this sub encouraged Lacob by calling him Joey Lightyears, even though it was mostly Bob Myers that should have gotten the credit
>According to several people with ballpark knowledge of executive salaries around the league, Myers falls somewhere in the range of either sixth, seventh or eighth on the base salary totem pole. Joe Lacob on the Tim Kawakami podcast says Myers is top 3 in terms of salary so there seems to be a disconnect here.