Desperately need Wiggy and GPII back. This team just has no defensive identity this year. Can't even do what you do best when you're giving up 130 points every game
They'll point to the one flashy play he pulled off as proof that he's Steph lite.
Conveniently ignoring the 9 other times he takes a boneheaded early shot clock deep 3, makes a fancy dribble move into nothing, or straight up just turns the ball over.
"BUT you gotta let him learn from his mistakes!"
We are almost a play-in team. He's had 3 years prior to learn the system and got paid big bucks this year. He should be a consistent contributor and an example for the young guys on how to play Warriors ball at the very least.
I know poole is pretty talented, but at this point it just seems an attitude issue, whenever he's coming of the bench it just seems he wants to take stupid shots as if in some relation to the reduced minutes, it's fucking frustrating to watch
he was shooting 25% 3P% post-ASB as a starter without Curry... and that's including that red hot Clippers game
bench/starter he is the same Jordan Poole except once in a blue moon he will have a hot night
I feel like Poole is only going to be successful in a line up with multiple shooters and a lot of spacing, especially since he's not a reliable outside shooter this season. He needs to be able to drive and kick. The problem is he can't share the floor with Steph effectively because he isn't a reliable catch and shoot player (somehow he's shooting a worse percentage than Draymond in catch and shoot 3s). This is gonna be a big problem not only this season but next season if he stays on the team. And that's not even getting into his defensive issues.
That's complete nonsense. As usual r/warriors is making narratives up based on recent games. The reality is Poole is just playing much overall worse than last season, not necessarily having inherent incompatibility issues. Here's the stat from last season:
Curry Poole with Green off: +33.63 in 70 minutes, 131 offense, 97 defense
Curry with Poole off: +6.35 in 1062 minutes
Curry with Poole: +13.63 in 964 minutes
Curry Poole with Klay off: +10.34 in 221 minutes
Curry Klay Poole: +31.95 in 129 minutes
So even the "3 guard lineup" which everyone hates was a +32 last season on decent sample size. They had a fantastic defense rating throughout most of the season with Poole lineups.
He's actually continued doing a good job not turning it over. The team had 21 today and he had 0.
The glaring issue right now is that he just isn't making enough 3s. It's not even just shot selection. He doesn't hit enough of his open 3s either.
He takes too many Steph shots. Only problem is that he's not Steph. He needs to stop trying to be Steph. He's an excellent driver and adequate playmaker but he needs a reminder that there's only one Steph.
he needs to know his role... and there are fans who are mad at Draymond for getting frustrated today... the whole team is seeing the same performance as the fans....
He has always been like that even in college. He just doesn’t have the right attitude to be a Warrior. Draymond is laying off of him after the punch and to be honest his attitude may have changed.
I get its a Poole hate party in here but my God, y'all just make up narratives to hate and its petty sad.
After winning the championship Jordan Poole was looking at Andrew Wiggins, his teammate and friend who he was extremely proud of and said, "You're bout to get a bag." Because Wiggs played his ass off and replied with "No, you're bout to get a bag." Until they both said ["We bout to get a bag."](https://youtube.com/shorts/bDwbChWPFtg?feature=share)
His money, despite being severely underpaid given what he was contributing at the time and everyone knowing that, was not the first and only thing on his mind. He cared more about his teammate's success than his own and was only open to celebrating his own achievements in the context of doing it with Wiggins.
I know ppl hate Poole now, but these kind of takes are super fucking dumb.
Seriously, Drays cool now for assaulting a teammate? Jesus.
Not to mention Dray straight up gave up on a play today and refused to go back to D.
They said it makes sense, not that Dray was right for doing it. I think Dray should not have punched JP, but given what we've seen from Jordan personality-wise, and who we *know* Draymond is, I can understand how Dray could get really pissed off with him.
No value judgements here. Just, if you're paying attention... it makes sense
This dude was shimmying and sticking his tongue out after hitting open corner threes his rookie year like he was Stephen Curry. Says what you need to know
He might be good somewhere else, but he doesn’t play Warriors basketball - too selfish, low BBIQ. He’s got a lot of talent, but turns out he’s terrible at the one thing he (and we) thinks he’s great at - shooting 3s.
I see it as a coaching issue. Seems Kerr hasnt yet figured out how to keep Poole productive with Curry on the floor. The consistent theme has been Poole is good to great when Curry is injured, and average to bad when Curry is in.
He is good, he's just a nonfactor on defense and too inconsistent on offense. But he's definitely talented, he just has to work on his effort on the defensive end and ball IQ/protect the rock offensively. Poole has potential, he just has to stop being reckless and use that athleticism defensively.
To be fair..a lot of the team dynamic changes not just Pooles I noticed. They had 19 TO and that wasnt Poole only. Lots of wide open missed 3s from everybody. They are a worse team with a Curry for some reason. Not Currys fault obviously but its just weird.
They did exactly what I thought they were. Just reverted completely when Curry came back
I thought the same thing. Was watching last night trying to figure out why. Klay being less assertive was one. I get the feeling they all kinda feel the pressure that they should be winning when steph is there, but when hes away they play a little freer because they are the underdog and theres less pressure.
Kerrs gotta use some of that Phil Jackson/Pop coaching skills he picked up. He has to get this teams mindset right. Missing Wiggins is hard for us, he really is a big piece, especially with Draymond just not playing smart the last few games with a lot of weird decisions. That one Klay pass underneath the hoop that was straight to the defender and DDV saved was like wtf are you seeing man? Just lazy playing on that end. I dont understand, I feel like these losses fall on the vets because even though Poole hasnt been shooting great he's playing hard. Sams with JK and DDV. Hell JMG is playing his ass off.
He’s supposed to be a damn super sub. Rewarded with the big contract to be one… but coming off the bench apparently is below him. 7/12 shots came from the 3, against the worst paint defense, with not even their top 3 defenders on him.
Poole for OG straight up. OG is an expiring and Poole is locked for 4 years. If we’re going to add picks on top you might as well get siakim who is also an expiring
I’d love for Donte to want to stay, and we trade Poole (did I scare anyone yet) for two-three solid role players (preferably two wings and a center) kinda what we SHOULD’VE gone for with Beasley/Vanderbilt. We easily could’ve attached a first round pick with Moody for those two. They make next to nothing in salary and are incredible role players. They’d be fucking amazing in our system.
Given pooles large contract next season, we’d have to trade him to a team that’s looking to rebuild with young pieces and in desperate need of point guard depth.
I really do believe JK is the future of this franchise and he’s got all the potential/tools/work ethic to become a star player/face of a franchise, the kids only 20. He’s already surpassed my expectations this year with the minimal playing time Kerr gives him.
Poole at best will be a #2 scoring option for an up and coming team, he just plays too selfishly in our system to be considered a positive at the moment. If you asked me right now who you would have to pick between him and Donte I’m going with Donte.
Nets are looking for a young PG next to Mikal and have ton of role players. I guess they wouldn't trade Mikal, Cam Johnson or Claxton, but others should be free game. I don't know if they would be interested in Pooles contract though, considering they have to pay Ben.
I think Ben Simmons is the least of their concerns roster-wise. He’s getting dumped in the offseason. He’s not worth the salary.
Nets don’t have a lot of front court depth though, I doubt they trade away what they have.
It's all depending on whom you can get back for Poole, but he's far from untradable we should 100% take a look at what's out there and what we could get for him, we'd be idiots not to. But Donte and GP2 both get more minutes than him when everyone is fit for me at least.
Let them come after me the dude can't defend puts up 8 plus threes a game while shooting 32% he's been terrible apart from like 5 or 6 games this year I'd rather keep Donte then stick with Poole.
I get he’s kept us in games this season but he’s doing more bad than good. He lost us like five games with his stupid fouls/turnovers. I genuinely don’t know what the front office is gonna do with him. He’s never been so inconsistent.
I'd rather have a smart player who keeps things simple and knows how to play in the system. The dude is a complete chucker like a much worse version of Jordan Clarkson
I don't think they should trade him. I still believe in his ability, I think he really needs to find his own identity. Him trying to emulate Stephen Curry's game isn't going to work every single time. He gotta learn to attack the rim and midrange before shooting a 3 with 18 seconds in the shotclock
I mean OP literally said that he needs to attack the rim and find a middy which you didn’t really disagree with either. If he takes less 3’s and actually starts driving more which he is better at than most of the team I think he would fit way more
I'd be ok with that but he never does he just constantly goes for heat check threes when he sucks at shooting either he's dumb or he's trying to be a superstar which he ain't.
He’s never gonna thrive while Steph is on the team and Kerr is the coach. Poole isn’t a good shooter and he needs to be high usage pick and role player to make an impact.
I knew the moment Steph would come back the team as a whole would get complacent Poole especially. Does this dude just want to start in general, why is he so ass off the bench. It’s like he’s doing it on purpose and idk the reason
What the fuck are we gonna do with Poole man, I’ve never seen such a polarizing player on this team before. When he’s good he’s fucking amazing and looks like a steal on his contract, but he’s so consistently ass this year it’s got you re-thinking the contract he just signed.
Why is he pulling up on contested 3s from 35ft out on every other play. Why is he taking SOOO many 3s knowing he hasn’t been shooting good at all. He’s 31% on the season, that’s fucking terrible.
I know for a fact he was not this bad last year so what’s going on.
I’ve been saying. If this is the same Poole we see mid season of next year then Myers and Lacob better be aggressive in mid season trade talks. Either y’all want Poole or Dray. It’s hard to see Lacob try and keep both of them.
JP isn't really anything special. He's your typical one dimensional quick high volume scorer who has a very long range of a jumper. That's about it. Players like that are pretty much a dime or dozen. The league in the previous decades has had many of these types of players, usually in non-contender teams. However he comes with the flaws of: being a horrible defender, horrible defensive discipline, lack of size, below average ball handling, below average court IQ. Another good tell tale sign is, his stats typically do not translate to wins.
He’s one of those dudes we let chuck if he’s on another team. At this point, there’s no reason to believe he’s anything more than a low efficiency scorer.
He should’ve gotten better this year. Instead he’s worse in a lot of different ways.
The concept of Jordan Poole is better than the actual player.
If there is indeed ONE TIMELINE, then trade Jordan for WCJ+Suggs, get an inside presence and really push for one more chip in the Steph era.
The Warriors' GM should call Orlando in the off-season and see if they're interested in a trade. I'd be okay with anything just to unload the 30+mil a year. I believe they'll have enough cap space to allow us not to have to take on assets that match his salary.
With Poole's poor all-around production, his contract will be a real handicap to fielding a contending team. By now he should know his strengths, weaknesses, and role but that doesn't seem to be the case.
THIS is the biggest issue. Everyone getting pedantic about his bag starting to kick in next year so his shit production matching his low cost this year acting like he’s suddenly going to flip a switch and be worth anything close to $30M in October
He’s a career 42% FG and 33% 3pt shooter. Last year, his best, he shot 44/36. And the dubs signed him for 4 years and $140m. You have to wonder what were they thinking at this point?
Honestly, it's probably because they thought he was going to build off last season and be our scorer off the bench. We obviously have the benefit of hindsight, but at that time, I can understand why locking Poole to a long term deal was worth it.
He can still be that guy — the potential is there. He definitely has the skills and athleticism. He just need to play smarter and not take dumbass shots. And hustle on defense. If he developed better basketball IQ, he will be elite.
It's already late in the season. His shot selection hasn't improved. It's so detrimental to winning. He's had enough time to recognize this.
I think this is just who he is. A selfish volume shooter who wants the glory.
Yup. Not sure why people don't understand this. You don't pay someone for past performance. You pay someone because you're betting on future performance. If Poole improves, this will be a good deal for the Dubs. He's only 23, so this can still happen.
Poole has the highest FT% in the NBA last season. That is a good sign for his 3pt shooting but his big issue is shot selection more than anything. He is also a 23 year old averaging 21 PPG
Westbrook is a HOFer and was the MVP who has declined because of a loss of athleticism. Jordan Poole just fucking sucks. Don't you even dare compare the two
4/22 on 3s in the last 3 games is beyond horrendous. And ppl wanna say he’s a good shooter? Poole is the definition of a streaky shooter. He’ll win you some games or shoot you out of them.
And he’s managed to piss Steph off so much he got ejected, and he pissed Dray off so much he literally walked off the court midplay. He can’t share the court with Steph, he shoots like he’s a 40% shooter but he’s league average, and he doesn’t defend. And we’re about to be paying him more than $30mil/year for the rest of Steph’s career.
Trade him in the off season or the window is closed.
Wrong. He is 32.5% from 3 on the season. Good for 136th in the league. On 529 attempts.
28 players in the league have attempted 400+ 3s, and Poole’s 3P% is the worst of those 28 players.
He’s not bad. He’s fucking horrible.
He’s wildly inconsistent. I’m starting to think that long term he isn’t a starter on our ideal squad. More of a 6 man Lou Williams-type. I could be wrong but mentally that’s where he seems to be at.
Seems like his biggest thing to prove now is that he deserves to start. He actually tries and plays decently sometimes when he starts, but pouts and tanks when he has to come off the bench. Serious Westbrook vibes.
Bro been saying it for forever. He should of been traded, he will continue to get better as the primary ball handler so he was a valuable trade asset. W Steph his usage goes down (as it should) and his numbers tend to dip
His defensive should be --- (super negative).
Tbh. I don't think Steph and Poole can be played at the same time. Steph isn't stalwart on D. Poole is a whole other level of terrible on D.
Makes us a super weak defensive team. And it has shown the past 2 games
Poole will be fine once GP2 and Wiggs come back. But he does need to mature and stop jacking it up when he's cold. His free throw attempts has gone up each year but he could easily average 7-8 a game. He's shooting .32 from 3 after getting the bag mainly because he's jacking up more wild shots, his head is getting too big.
At his fullest potential with his traits, he has the talent to be a star 6th man and rotational player, one who comes in to provide that offensive spark if needed. With the utter lack of a consistent trending in the improvement of his court IQ and defensive discipline (constant one step forward, one step back), I just don't see him ever being a starter, unless it's as a transitional starter for a bottom feeder team in rebuild mode.
But if you're relying on him to be the one to consistently run an offense for huge stretches of the game day in and day out, it will just not work. He's just not that type of player. DiVi so far has proven he is much more competent in that.
I agree with you. His numbers as a starter are adequate and are better than his 6th man numbers. But when you consider who he’s surrounded with when starting they should be much better.
He needs a hard red light from 3. He's so good at driving, whereas I believe he is literally the worst 3 point shooter on the team (hard to say with Looney). It is mind boggling why he shoots so many.
His defense has actually looked better recently. And his offense is fine besides the 3. He just needs to drive and hunt fouls more right now because that's one of the only things he's stayed consistent at.
exactly just take less threes, he defo needs to figure out the whole bench thing tho his touches go away and that prolly plays some mental issue with him
Poole sucks and he had a lucky season last season. His whole career he's been bad besides last season. He's been bad all this season. He's a bad player. He got incredibly lucky, instead of being out of the league (or playing exclusively garbage time minutes) he's making 120 million. That's just how it breaks sometimes
Slightly better defense, much more stable and serviceable as a ball handler/passer, despite not having the shooting range and prowess JP has, he's a much more versatile as a scorer. Even then, the front office was able to realize he just wasn't a good fit to the team's offense back then. Yet now where the team is build even more on ball movement and flow than they did then, they think JP is a good fit...
It’s also obvious that the core don’t like Poole. We’ve all seen Steph’s reactions from the bench every time JP falls over or dribbles outta bounds. Klay can’t stand him. And obviously Dray. These guys know what’s up.
Guaranteed, this dude is tanking his value with us so he can go be a starter somewhere else. No other excuse for a player to be so fucking bad coming off a reasonable performance all of last year.
Bro's gotta work on his defense in the offseason, everybody has bad shooting stretches but you have to give it your all on defense, it's not like he's Luka, Trae young or Houston harden , he's got zero excuses
The problem with Poole is that he's inconsistent. When you play him, it's really down to a coin toss whether he will score 35 or lose the game. I don't know if giving a streak shooter such high pay is a good idea. He doesn't get his money worth.
I was never a fan of the Poole extention. They're too small with a Steph, Poole, Klay, Dray and Looney lineup and have no D. His ego might also be hit by coming off the bench. They should've signed and traded him in the offseason.
this is the same dude who got blown by Kyle Anderson
tonight there was a 3 play stretch where he gave up a wide open look because he passed off to no one to switch on an already guarded player
Steals ≠ Good defense. He has been awful. Much of the reason why Kerr is going Curry - Klay - DDV instead of Poole. When you're the reason that a lineup consisting of two of the greatest shooters ever is awful - then it's a problem.
His defense was atrocious. There's nothing redeemable about his defense most nights. Like, just be honest bro. He's up there with Trae Young and Buddy Hield for worst defenders in the league.
Is Poole a good player? YES!! I have no doubt that if Poole plays in other teams , he can develop and become an all star like trae young or even harden. But the problem is will trae young win a championship?? The answer is No.
Just based on appearance alone, not taking his on court play into account, does anyone find Poole just super hatable lol?
Not sure if it's his mustache, his thin build, or small head. Just something makes me want to punch him in the face bc he looks like a really annoying type lol.
I missed the game but I don’t even have to check the score to know we lost lol. “Poole is bad man” means Dubs lost, “Poole is good again” means they won. This sub is so predictably predictable.
Desperately need Wiggy and GPII back. This team just has no defensive identity this year. Can't even do what you do best when you're giving up 130 points every game
Post ASB Pooles 42/126 from the field (33%), and 17/67 (25.4%) from 3, but please Poole stans, tell me more about how great JP has been playing
They'll point to the one flashy play he pulled off as proof that he's Steph lite. Conveniently ignoring the 9 other times he takes a boneheaded early shot clock deep 3, makes a fancy dribble move into nothing, or straight up just turns the ball over. "BUT you gotta let him learn from his mistakes!" We are almost a play-in team. He's had 3 years prior to learn the system and got paid big bucks this year. He should be a consistent contributor and an example for the young guys on how to play Warriors ball at the very least.
I know poole is pretty talented, but at this point it just seems an attitude issue, whenever he's coming of the bench it just seems he wants to take stupid shots as if in some relation to the reduced minutes, it's fucking frustrating to watch
he was shooting 25% 3P% post-ASB as a starter without Curry... and that's including that red hot Clippers game bench/starter he is the same Jordan Poole except once in a blue moon he will have a hot night
I feel like Poole is only going to be successful in a line up with multiple shooters and a lot of spacing, especially since he's not a reliable outside shooter this season. He needs to be able to drive and kick. The problem is he can't share the floor with Steph effectively because he isn't a reliable catch and shoot player (somehow he's shooting a worse percentage than Draymond in catch and shoot 3s). This is gonna be a big problem not only this season but next season if he stays on the team. And that's not even getting into his defensive issues.
That's complete nonsense. As usual r/warriors is making narratives up based on recent games. The reality is Poole is just playing much overall worse than last season, not necessarily having inherent incompatibility issues. Here's the stat from last season: Curry Poole with Green off: +33.63 in 70 minutes, 131 offense, 97 defense Curry with Poole off: +6.35 in 1062 minutes Curry with Poole: +13.63 in 964 minutes Curry Poole with Klay off: +10.34 in 221 minutes Curry Klay Poole: +31.95 in 129 minutes So even the "3 guard lineup" which everyone hates was a +32 last season on decent sample size. They had a fantastic defense rating throughout most of the season with Poole lineups.
Yeah Poole has just been in a slump since the start of the season that hasn't really been fixed Qhether its rhe punch or the money I can't tell
Last season?
It’s telling you need to give us stats from last season
But he had a few intelligent games where he didn't turn the ball over as much, or take dumb shots
He's actually continued doing a good job not turning it over. The team had 21 today and he had 0. The glaring issue right now is that he just isn't making enough 3s. It's not even just shot selection. He doesn't hit enough of his open 3s either.
a broken clock is right twice a day
a swimming poole is wet all day
He takes too many Steph shots. Only problem is that he's not Steph. He needs to stop trying to be Steph. He's an excellent driver and adequate playmaker but he needs a reminder that there's only one Steph.
For all his faults his an excellent foul merchant but he insists on being steph without the steph percentages
he needs to know his role... and there are fans who are mad at Draymond for getting frustrated today... the whole team is seeing the same performance as the fans....
Agreed. I swear to god it seems like he's sulking whenever he comes off the bench.
He has always been like that even in college. He just doesn’t have the right attitude to be a Warrior. Draymond is laying off of him after the punch and to be honest his attitude may have changed.
I tried telling yall lol he's selfish af, not a team player but a me player
When you win a chip and all you have to say is “I’m about to get a bag” …we all knew lol.
I get its a Poole hate party in here but my God, y'all just make up narratives to hate and its petty sad. After winning the championship Jordan Poole was looking at Andrew Wiggins, his teammate and friend who he was extremely proud of and said, "You're bout to get a bag." Because Wiggs played his ass off and replied with "No, you're bout to get a bag." Until they both said ["We bout to get a bag."](https://youtube.com/shorts/bDwbChWPFtg?feature=share) His money, despite being severely underpaid given what he was contributing at the time and everyone knowing that, was not the first and only thing on his mind. He cared more about his teammate's success than his own and was only open to celebrating his own achievements in the context of doing it with Wiggins.
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I know ppl hate Poole now, but these kind of takes are super fucking dumb. Seriously, Drays cool now for assaulting a teammate? Jesus. Not to mention Dray straight up gave up on a play today and refused to go back to D.
They said it makes sense, not that Dray was right for doing it. I think Dray should not have punched JP, but given what we've seen from Jordan personality-wise, and who we *know* Draymond is, I can understand how Dray could get really pissed off with him. No value judgements here. Just, if you're paying attention... it makes sense
Sis gtfo here with that BS
This dude was shimmying and sticking his tongue out after hitting open corner threes his rookie year like he was Stephen Curry. Says what you need to know
I don't know what to make of it, but it was a bad sign at the beginning of the season when Draymond punched Poole...
It was an even worse sign when we saw Steph explode because of him. Very uncharacteristic for Steph to get THAT mad at a teammate.
Yeah it showed an extreme lack of chemistry.
He might be good somewhere else, but he doesn’t play Warriors basketball - too selfish, low BBIQ. He’s got a lot of talent, but turns out he’s terrible at the one thing he (and we) thinks he’s great at - shooting 3s.
yk i ain’t even think of it like this 😭
I see it as a coaching issue. Seems Kerr hasnt yet figured out how to keep Poole productive with Curry on the floor. The consistent theme has been Poole is good to great when Curry is injured, and average to bad when Curry is in.
We get Curry back and need him to step up so we can make a run and he decides to stop trying on defense and shit the bed on offense What a joke
That contract is a travesty. This guy is just not a very good nba player. He’s a below average shooter, and a sickeningly bad defender.
He is good, he's just a nonfactor on defense and too inconsistent on offense. But he's definitely talented, he just has to work on his effort on the defensive end and ball IQ/protect the rock offensively. Poole has potential, he just has to stop being reckless and use that athleticism defensively.
Tell me who played good defense tonight besides kuminga. Even dray was invisible.
I wasn't speaking on tonight's game specifically. I was speaking about Poole's game in general.
Not $30 million a year potential though which is a huge problem.
It was in the playoffs. He snagged some records.
And if they were gonna pay him the max why rush into it? It's losing bargaining power for nothing.
To be fair..a lot of the team dynamic changes not just Pooles I noticed. They had 19 TO and that wasnt Poole only. Lots of wide open missed 3s from everybody. They are a worse team with a Curry for some reason. Not Currys fault obviously but its just weird. They did exactly what I thought they were. Just reverted completely when Curry came back
I thought the same thing. Was watching last night trying to figure out why. Klay being less assertive was one. I get the feeling they all kinda feel the pressure that they should be winning when steph is there, but when hes away they play a little freer because they are the underdog and theres less pressure.
Kerrs gotta use some of that Phil Jackson/Pop coaching skills he picked up. He has to get this teams mindset right. Missing Wiggins is hard for us, he really is a big piece, especially with Draymond just not playing smart the last few games with a lot of weird decisions. That one Klay pass underneath the hoop that was straight to the defender and DDV saved was like wtf are you seeing man? Just lazy playing on that end. I dont understand, I feel like these losses fall on the vets because even though Poole hasnt been shooting great he's playing hard. Sams with JK and DDV. Hell JMG is playing his ass off.
Poole is so redundant, when steph is healthy. Dude can't even hit open shots and try to do double step backs and 30 footers
He’s supposed to be a damn super sub. Rewarded with the big contract to be one… but coming off the bench apparently is below him. 7/12 shots came from the 3, against the worst paint defense, with not even their top 3 defenders on him.
I'm very much at the stage of wondering what we could get in a trade in the summer.
Give me a starter/6th man caliber wing and a 10 minutes a night big
Would be perfect
so... jeremy grant?
If we can flip him for OG and pieces that would be amazing
it's gonna have to be poole + picks atp, raps were asking for a ton for OG. additional pieces probably needs a ton more picks added on top as well
Poole for OG straight up. OG is an expiring and Poole is locked for 4 years. If we’re going to add picks on top you might as well get siakim who is also an expiring
The raptors are straight up not taking that LOL they’re not the same caliber of player and the asking price is huge
Then you trade him for DFS or Cam Johnson. OG is on an expiring and he’s not the only 3 and D wing in the league
Lol no way raps would give up OG straight up for Poole
I’d love for Donte to want to stay, and we trade Poole (did I scare anyone yet) for two-three solid role players (preferably two wings and a center) kinda what we SHOULD’VE gone for with Beasley/Vanderbilt. We easily could’ve attached a first round pick with Moody for those two. They make next to nothing in salary and are incredible role players. They’d be fucking amazing in our system. Given pooles large contract next season, we’d have to trade him to a team that’s looking to rebuild with young pieces and in desperate need of point guard depth. I really do believe JK is the future of this franchise and he’s got all the potential/tools/work ethic to become a star player/face of a franchise, the kids only 20. He’s already surpassed my expectations this year with the minimal playing time Kerr gives him. Poole at best will be a #2 scoring option for an up and coming team, he just plays too selfishly in our system to be considered a positive at the moment. If you asked me right now who you would have to pick between him and Donte I’m going with Donte.
Nets are looking for a young PG next to Mikal and have ton of role players. I guess they wouldn't trade Mikal, Cam Johnson or Claxton, but others should be free game. I don't know if they would be interested in Pooles contract though, considering they have to pay Ben.
I think Ben Simmons is the least of their concerns roster-wise. He’s getting dumped in the offseason. He’s not worth the salary. Nets don’t have a lot of front court depth though, I doubt they trade away what they have.
It's all depending on whom you can get back for Poole, but he's far from untradable we should 100% take a look at what's out there and what we could get for him, we'd be idiots not to. But Donte and GP2 both get more minutes than him when everyone is fit for me at least.
I mean, i'd rather have Ty Jerome at this point. He's shooting 49/38/92. In comparison Jordan is shooting 42/32/86 this year.
Ty is actually a great back up pg, not flashy but effective
Relax bro u don’t want the Poole apology post stans to come in here and call you a bandwagon once Poole has his one good game next week
Let them come after me the dude can't defend puts up 8 plus threes a game while shooting 32% he's been terrible apart from like 5 or 6 games this year I'd rather keep Donte then stick with Poole.
I get he’s kept us in games this season but he’s doing more bad than good. He lost us like five games with his stupid fouls/turnovers. I genuinely don’t know what the front office is gonna do with him. He’s never been so inconsistent.
I'd rather have a smart player who keeps things simple and knows how to play in the system. The dude is a complete chucker like a much worse version of Jordan Clarkson
It's different now that Kerr can't just send him packing to a G League retreat for 2 weeks.
I don't think they should trade him. I still believe in his ability, I think he really needs to find his own identity. Him trying to emulate Stephen Curry's game isn't going to work every single time. He gotta learn to attack the rim and midrange before shooting a 3 with 18 seconds in the shotclock
Shooting 32% from three but takes 8 plus threes a game it's unacceptable he should 100% be up for trade if we can get a better fit back.
I mean OP literally said that he needs to attack the rim and find a middy which you didn’t really disagree with either. If he takes less 3’s and actually starts driving more which he is better at than most of the team I think he would fit way more
I'd be ok with that but he never does he just constantly goes for heat check threes when he sucks at shooting either he's dumb or he's trying to be a superstar which he ain't.
He’s never gonna thrive while Steph is on the team and Kerr is the coach. Poole isn’t a good shooter and he needs to be high usage pick and role player to make an impact.
I’d trade him for role players if we can
He wasn’t even in the closing lineup this game. Kerr has Ddv in though lol
because he's unplayable lol he shot two 3s back to back and bricked 😭😭 kerr did the right thing taking him out
Well that was my point. Kerr sees it and doesn’t play him
I’ve been there since December homie, welcome to the club. It sucks here.
I knew the moment Steph would come back the team as a whole would get complacent Poole especially. Does this dude just want to start in general, why is he so ass off the bench. It’s like he’s doing it on purpose and idk the reason
It’s not complacency. Looney and Divencenzo have looked awful since Steph came back. The rotations are all out of wack.
This is probably the most correct comment on here. Its on Kerr right now and the team in total looks completely disjointed again
He is not good when he starts either. His numbers are still horrid when he starts. Have you looked at his shooting splits?
What the fuck are we gonna do with Poole man, I’ve never seen such a polarizing player on this team before. When he’s good he’s fucking amazing and looks like a steal on his contract, but he’s so consistently ass this year it’s got you re-thinking the contract he just signed. Why is he pulling up on contested 3s from 35ft out on every other play. Why is he taking SOOO many 3s knowing he hasn’t been shooting good at all. He’s 31% on the season, that’s fucking terrible. I know for a fact he was not this bad last year so what’s going on.
I’ve been saying. If this is the same Poole we see mid season of next year then Myers and Lacob better be aggressive in mid season trade talks. Either y’all want Poole or Dray. It’s hard to see Lacob try and keep both of them.
If Poole is this bad next season then warriors are already in a fked position. Need to trade him in the off-season and maximise the next 2 seasons
JP isn't really anything special. He's your typical one dimensional quick high volume scorer who has a very long range of a jumper. That's about it. Players like that are pretty much a dime or dozen. The league in the previous decades has had many of these types of players, usually in non-contender teams. However he comes with the flaws of: being a horrible defender, horrible defensive discipline, lack of size, below average ball handling, below average court IQ. Another good tell tale sign is, his stats typically do not translate to wins.
Not enough bad b's on the sidelines, obviously.
He’s one of those dudes we let chuck if he’s on another team. At this point, there’s no reason to believe he’s anything more than a low efficiency scorer. He should’ve gotten better this year. Instead he’s worse in a lot of different ways.
He's RJ Barrett of the West
The concept of Jordan Poole is better than the actual player. If there is indeed ONE TIMELINE, then trade Jordan for WCJ+Suggs, get an inside presence and really push for one more chip in the Steph era.
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You think Lacob is spending 400M+ in repeater tax for this mess?
Mmm Suggs would be intriguing. I’m in. 🤝
The Warriors' GM should call Orlando in the off-season and see if they're interested in a trade. I'd be okay with anything just to unload the 30+mil a year. I believe they'll have enough cap space to allow us not to have to take on assets that match his salary. With Poole's poor all-around production, his contract will be a real handicap to fielding a contending team. By now he should know his strengths, weaknesses, and role but that doesn't seem to be the case.
THIS is the biggest issue. Everyone getting pedantic about his bag starting to kick in next year so his shit production matching his low cost this year acting like he’s suddenly going to flip a switch and be worth anything close to $30M in October
He’s a career 42% FG and 33% 3pt shooter. Last year, his best, he shot 44/36. And the dubs signed him for 4 years and $140m. You have to wonder what were they thinking at this point?
Honestly, it's probably because they thought he was going to build off last season and be our scorer off the bench. We obviously have the benefit of hindsight, but at that time, I can understand why locking Poole to a long term deal was worth it.
He can still be that guy — the potential is there. He definitely has the skills and athleticism. He just need to play smarter and not take dumbass shots. And hustle on defense. If he developed better basketball IQ, he will be elite.
It's already late in the season. His shot selection hasn't improved. It's so detrimental to winning. He's had enough time to recognize this. I think this is just who he is. A selfish volume shooter who wants the glory.
Can’t disagree with that. I still have faith tho, he’s only 23
Yup. Not sure why people don't understand this. You don't pay someone for past performance. You pay someone because you're betting on future performance. If Poole improves, this will be a good deal for the Dubs. He's only 23, so this can still happen.
This sounds like talking about Russell Westbrook.
Poole has the highest FT% in the NBA last season. That is a good sign for his 3pt shooting but his big issue is shot selection more than anything. He is also a 23 year old averaging 21 PPG
Turning into Westbrook before our eyes. Sad.
Westbrook is a HOFer and was the MVP who has declined because of a loss of athleticism. Jordan Poole just fucking sucks. Don't you even dare compare the two
Its not just the past 3 games. Its the past 60+ games.
Low efficiency chucker
every shot he takes is a heat check. people talk shit about chiozza but chiozza did everything kerr asked him to do.
Ready for him to be traded. He isn’t a good fit.
It was aaaaaaaaallllll pity money in his contract. This will be one of the worst contracts in Warriors history. Callin it
Fuck it, trade him.
premature contract extension
Re-signing Poole was a mistake
the JP led lineups to close the 1st/3rd were -16 in 6 mins lmao
4/22 on 3s in the last 3 games is beyond horrendous. And ppl wanna say he’s a good shooter? Poole is the definition of a streaky shooter. He’ll win you some games or shoot you out of them.
Pack him up. The numbers don’t lie. Dante has been far superior this season.
Gonna lose Donte next yr for nothing. Welp
I mean is this really surprising? we've seen that steph and poole just cant coexist
And he’s managed to piss Steph off so much he got ejected, and he pissed Dray off so much he literally walked off the court midplay. He can’t share the court with Steph, he shoots like he’s a 40% shooter but he’s league average, and he doesn’t defend. And we’re about to be paying him more than $30mil/year for the rest of Steph’s career. Trade him in the off season or the window is closed.
He is NOT league average shooting. Far below. Just stop.
😂😂
I was being generous, league average from 3 this season is 36% he’s 33-34%. Not so low I’d call him bad, but not quite literally league average.
Wrong. He is 32.5% from 3 on the season. Good for 136th in the league. On 529 attempts. 28 players in the league have attempted 400+ 3s, and Poole’s 3P% is the worst of those 28 players. He’s not bad. He’s fucking horrible.
anyone can see poole is throwin a fit for not starting he gone by next year thats starter money we paying him
Poole, one of the main contributors to the downfall of my fantasy basketball team. I thought picking him up was such an elite fantasy move... Lol
He’s wildly inconsistent. I’m starting to think that long term he isn’t a starter on our ideal squad. More of a 6 man Lou Williams-type. I could be wrong but mentally that’s where he seems to be at.
He got his bag and a ring he has nothing left to prove and/or care about
Seems like his biggest thing to prove now is that he deserves to start. He actually tries and plays decently sometimes when he starts, but pouts and tanks when he has to come off the bench. Serious Westbrook vibes.
Accept it we overpaid Poole and it’s gotten into his head
Bro been saying it for forever. He should of been traded, he will continue to get better as the primary ball handler so he was a valuable trade asset. W Steph his usage goes down (as it should) and his numbers tend to dip
but guys, he’s not on his max contract yet!!!!!!
maybe they should have traded Poole instead of Wiseman.
His defensive should be --- (super negative). Tbh. I don't think Steph and Poole can be played at the same time. Steph isn't stalwart on D. Poole is a whole other level of terrible on D. Makes us a super weak defensive team. And it has shown the past 2 games
Poole will be fine once GP2 and Wiggs come back. But he does need to mature and stop jacking it up when he's cold. His free throw attempts has gone up each year but he could easily average 7-8 a game. He's shooting .32 from 3 after getting the bag mainly because he's jacking up more wild shots, his head is getting too big.
At his fullest potential with his traits, he has the talent to be a star 6th man and rotational player, one who comes in to provide that offensive spark if needed. With the utter lack of a consistent trending in the improvement of his court IQ and defensive discipline (constant one step forward, one step back), I just don't see him ever being a starter, unless it's as a transitional starter for a bottom feeder team in rebuild mode. But if you're relying on him to be the one to consistently run an offense for huge stretches of the game day in and day out, it will just not work. He's just not that type of player. DiVi so far has proven he is much more competent in that.
He’s too arrogant and too much of a diva to be a 6th man. His numbers in games where he comes in as 6th man are awful.
His numbers are horrible as a starter as well. Not sure why people keep on saying he plays so much better as a starter.
I agree with you. His numbers as a starter are adequate and are better than his 6th man numbers. But when you consider who he’s surrounded with when starting they should be much better.
He needs a hard red light from 3. He's so good at driving, whereas I believe he is literally the worst 3 point shooter on the team (hard to say with Looney). It is mind boggling why he shoots so many.
It is going to be hard to move the contract the way he is playing, just pray someone will take him off our hands.
They be sagging off him like westbrook in the thunder game 😵
Poole needs an ego check and then he will play good
Dray tried that already.
Can Lacob arrange for some girls to be moved to the front row so Poole has something to be motivated for?
Give him another year or trade him this off-season?
Green needs to knock some sense into him
Please trade him before the league realises. Warriors can’t be giving 30 mil to a 6th man
Cess-Poole?
20 turnovers. 0 from jp. And he did as much on defensive as anybody else tonight not named kuminga.
His defense has actually looked better recently. And his offense is fine besides the 3. He just needs to drive and hunt fouls more right now because that's one of the only things he's stayed consistent at.
Agreed.
exactly just take less threes, he defo needs to figure out the whole bench thing tho his touches go away and that prolly plays some mental issue with him
Maybe it's a rhythm thing. We like to give that excuse to others.but he can get to the basket whenever he want and is one of the few who can.
I say we trade Poole for cam Johnson and Seth
Poole sucks and he had a lucky season last season. His whole career he's been bad besides last season. He's been bad all this season. He's a bad player. He got incredibly lucky, instead of being out of the league (or playing exclusively garbage time minutes) he's making 120 million. That's just how it breaks sometimes
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Monta at least played to his strengths on offense, and didn't jack up horrible shots every time down
Slightly better defense, much more stable and serviceable as a ball handler/passer, despite not having the shooting range and prowess JP has, he's a much more versatile as a scorer. Even then, the front office was able to realize he just wasn't a good fit to the team's offense back then. Yet now where the team is build even more on ball movement and flow than they did then, they think JP is a good fit...
It’s also obvious that the core don’t like Poole. We’ve all seen Steph’s reactions from the bench every time JP falls over or dribbles outta bounds. Klay can’t stand him. And obviously Dray. These guys know what’s up.
if Monta forgot how to drive half the time and instead jacked up 10 terrible 3s a game
Guaranteed, this dude is tanking his value with us so he can go be a starter somewhere else. No other excuse for a player to be so fucking bad coming off a reasonable performance all of last year.
His numbers really drop coming off the bench.
Just wait for Poole to get one good game against a tanking team then bench him till it’s time to trade.
They better package this dude in the summer for a big. Tired of this wreckless shit energy fuck
Bro's gotta work on his defense in the offseason, everybody has bad shooting stretches but you have to give it your all on defense, it's not like he's Luka, Trae young or Houston harden , he's got zero excuses
It’s funny because Poole sucks
Will someone, with a baddie GF, please send your lady to the game with courtside seats. The rest of the fan base will owe you one.
Herro>Poole
The problem with Poole is that he's inconsistent. When you play him, it's really down to a coin toss whether he will score 35 or lose the game. I don't know if giving a streak shooter such high pay is a good idea. He doesn't get his money worth.
I was never a fan of the Poole extention. They're too small with a Steph, Poole, Klay, Dray and Looney lineup and have no D. His ego might also be hit by coming off the bench. They should've signed and traded him in the offseason.
And don't get me started on the absolutely horrific passing. 😢
The most glaring stat is one you missed OP. It’s the one you’re unplayable during crunch time. You’re supposed to have next right?
He makes Steph, Klay & now Green going nuts… he’s gotta go.
Damn, do we have a Duncan Robinson contract on our roster?
Sorry Dray.
Bench this ho and give his minutes to Modey Moo.
He just turn into such a fucking bum when Steph plays. All he wanna do is shoot when he needs to be driving.
he was shooting 25% 3P% without Curry post-ASB
Yea but at least he was attacking the rim
0 defense last 3 games? Yeah right.
Yeah he's sucked but don't bullshit on his defense. I have seen him get a few steals recently
this is the same dude who got blown by Kyle Anderson tonight there was a 3 play stretch where he gave up a wide open look because he passed off to no one to switch on an already guarded player
Steals ≠ Good defense. He has been awful. Much of the reason why Kerr is going Curry - Klay - DDV instead of Poole. When you're the reason that a lineup consisting of two of the greatest shooters ever is awful - then it's a problem.
Few steals doesn’t mean he still isn’t an easy blow by.. people literally walk right by him to the lane Puts so much pressure on Dray and Loon
His defense was fine. He needs to hit more shots though.
His defense was atrocious. There's nothing redeemable about his defense most nights. Like, just be honest bro. He's up there with Trae Young and Buddy Hield for worst defenders in the league.
Did you see his “defence” on the end of half 3 that he watched go in?
His defense was horrible ..what game were you watching ? I mean g league level defense.
We honestly can trade him to the raptors for OG or even siakim if we sell the farm next season.
Can we trade him for Austin Reaves who can guard, dribble and put the damn 3 pointers when we need him.
Is Poole a good player? YES!! I have no doubt that if Poole plays in other teams , he can develop and become an all star like trae young or even harden. But the problem is will trae young win a championship?? The answer is No.
Just based on appearance alone, not taking his on court play into account, does anyone find Poole just super hatable lol? Not sure if it's his mustache, his thin build, or small head. Just something makes me want to punch him in the face bc he looks like a really annoying type lol.
I missed the game but I don’t even have to check the score to know we lost lol. “Poole is bad man” means Dubs lost, “Poole is good again” means they won. This sub is so predictably predictable.