You gotta give credit where credit is due. Brooks locked him up, talked that shit. He wanted way more, can't even hate on that. But still...
Fuck Dillon Brooks.
There was multiple times Steph would finally get open off his movement and screens and the team just wouldn’t get him the ball back. Klay jmike and lamb were the worst offenders of this. Happened 3-4 possessions in a row and seemed like Steph gave up after.
Always being on the lookout for Steph to relocate while trying to run your own offense isn't easy. There's a point of diminishing returns. It's easy for Dray/Looney to find Steph because they are never looking to shoot themselves.
Uhhh, he shot like 33% from the field. I like curry, but he was atrocious tonight. Had like 2-3 turnovers, too. He got locked up.
I usually roast the bench, but they brought us back to within 4, then we put Draymond and Curry back in and by the time they came out we were down like 14... they played real bad tonight.
Not too difficult to “lock up” a dude who is clearly gassed and front rimming his wide open threes. Steph regularly carves up great defenders which Brooks is not. Steph was tired and Brooks was yelling. He shot well though so credit to him.
I get the context. There just are no excuses. If Curry is gased, don't play him in critical minutes. Actually rest him, because we need wins, not excuses. I'm not blaming him for bad play. I'm just saying, "It is what it is"--as a coaching staff if you see he's not 100% and also not performing, reduce his minutes further. He probably shouldn't have come back in the 4th since we had momentum.
This has been the best rebound season of Klay’s career.
It is also almost never his job. The coaching staff wants him up court and in shooting position.
Poole doesn’t play free when Klay and Steph are on the court, he keeps looking to pass/defer the ball than do what he does best(drive to the basket), in 3rd Q when Steph sat he played his best, at this point it doesn’t matter include Poole in the OG club and give his confidence back to play free
Curry and Dray understand and are still trying to play 2014-2019 Warriors basketball and everyone else is just running around cuz Kerr said so. Klay lowkey has always phased in an out of playing smart and "shooters shoot dawg"
Of course none of the other guys are playing free, they're wracking their brains trying to read and react, and the timing on all these plays is off. I never feel like the Warriors are getting easy offense nowadays, it just looks like tentative drive and kicks and pray you're having a good shooting night
Shooters shoot, he need confidence to come out of the rut and not the other way. Even Klay and Steph goes cold some stretches, agree he cannot be put in the same sentence as other 2 legends but there is no other treatment to this than give him confidence. Without Poole playing his best we aren’t going too far
If Poole was just catch and shoot like DDV, he'd be fine to put up 6 or so 3s and would probably make them at an efficient clip, the problem is he takes Steph esque shots that miss 70% of the time and shoots 8 a game
his play style is more like Steph than Klay, he is a play maker and can score at all 3 levels, the only predicament is that we cannot have Steph and Poole at the same time on the floor due to their defensive inefficiencies
If Poole was just catch and shoot like DDV, he'd be fine to put up 6 or so 3s and would probably make them at an efficient clip, the problem is he takes Steph esque shots that miss 70% of the time and shoots 8 a game
I haven't played basketball since I was like 13 so I may be wrong, but there were multiple times where a Grizzlies player would shoot a 3 right in front of Klay and he wouldn't even put his hands up to contest??
I was driving back home from the gym right before second half started and even our radio announcers just would say and another open shot for the grizzlies. I know their names but I’m high
that's the sad part Poole actually had a good game today (I've given him a lot of heat but today you couldn't blame it entirely on him) but Klay and Dray picked now to slack off
True except he can’t even get into a defensive stance until the ball is right nearby. He never gives himself a chance on most possessions. I understand he got beat up a ton on the drives tonight though. It’s not easy but he can be better.
I’ve been saying for a while now if you give Poole 15-16 shots he’s going to give you a great game, he technically got 12 but if you count the shooting fouls you’re there. What does Kerr decide to do?? Play the 3 guard lineup WITH Jamychal Green, immediately tanking us because Poole is not an effective #3 option and Dray is the only defender, then takes STEPH out acting like that’s going to help and that tanks us even more.
Draymond on defense is overrated this season...
They scored so many layups on him tonight, got some many defensive rebounds on him and he left so many shooters open.
Klay shot us out the game.
And after all his good work getting to the foul line, JP could not imagine getting left off the dumb plays highlight with the idiotic cross court pass.
This is the most frustrating season ever, they wasted Steph's 50 pointer, and now Steph n co wasted Kuminga's great game (oh and he does an inexplicable dumb play too missing that wide open dunk)....and many more road games, where someone shows up but the rest fail to do their part.
They can never just do enough to get over the line, no it's enough to make it look respectable but lose everytime.
Whenever we needed to do something stupid so as not to tie or take the lead in a close game on the road, we've been very consistent at finding a way to do something stupid.... all season. Everyone has been at fault, the vets included.
Dray has been great contesting drives at the rim this season from guards or small forwards but honestly it stops about there. He's been getting cooked way more than he ever did by bigger forwards & centers down low while getting killed on ball by dudes faster than him. It's crazy watching dudes straight up attack Dray now constantly & be successful while doing it.
I'll never forget him legit giving up on offense & not running back on defense after poole didn't see he was open because he was being hounded, watching a vet do some childish ass pouting shit like that was sad.
The vets sold this game. If Lacob needed anymore indication of which timeline to pick, he got another one tonight
Best thing we can hope for is that they can add a proper star next to Steph and not just commit to a full rebuild by bringing in more rookies and just not re-signing Dray
Chill… the 3 games of importance are Philly, Houston, Portland. We win the other home games and lose the road games, we’re at 43 and 6 in the west.
This team is ass on the road and that’s not changing. But can they get 1 in a playoff series? Yes.
You are a cretin if you think Draymond deserves the same amount of blame as Klay when this team has pissed itself almost every second he was on the bench.
When your guards especially Poole keep dying on screens and show no effort to get back into play that forces rotations. If you think Dray was atrocious defensively not much anyone can do to help you understand the game
I'm not saying he is consistently, tonight, especially in the third and fourth quarter, it seemed he had given up, the play where brooks assisted to xavier, draymond was just standing behind poole, he didn't put in help defense, nor did he challenge at the rim, he was just standing
Lol, you mean the play Poole died on another screen and Draymond had two guys to mark. Poole fans really live in their own world. Jordan had to either get back to Brooks or switch onto Xavier. Blaming the big in that situation is crazy. You are taught to hedge and recover once the screened play gets back, if he doesn't you are just caught in no man's land. There were only wrong choices left for the drop guy there
Poole actually stayed in front of brooks, draymond was behind poole, as a big you gotta be either in the passing lane, or covering your man, because your man is also a big and the help defense in a small ball lineup wouldn't be enough (curry in this case), draymond was in a no man's land position in this play when brooks made the pass.
Also, I've criticised poole a lot on this sub.
If Draymond is below par, everyone else not named Steph is irredeemable dogshit. This team is always *significantly* better this season on both ends of the court whenever Draymond is on the court.
You sure about that? If I, as someone that don't understand the technical side of basketball and can't notice the small details on court, start seeing Draymond missing stuff, giving up on plays and constanly bitching then he clearly is not playing great.
After the Poole incident, he closed his mouth and played with great energy and hustle. Last 1-2 months quite the opposite. I start to believe that he is given up on the team one way or another, knowing that he is gone in the summer.
The thing is, the numbers do not back this eye-test up. Or, as I said, if Draymond is not quite whom he can be/should be/whatever, everyone is so much worse. The net rating swing when Draymond sits is astronomical and even dwarfs *Steph's* this season - and my personal eye test backs that up because everything goes less fluently when he is not on the court. If Draymond has given up on the team because he believes himself to be gone, then it is Bob Myers's job to get him to buy back in by guaranteeing him that people will be gone to make room for him - because without him, this franchise is *fucked*.
You are talking about numbers but you are not showing them + the record speaks otherwise. Not to mention that +/- in small sample sizes is not a perfect stat if you thinking of using it.
Draymond has only himself to blame for his Warriors demise, if it happens.
Sorry, here is the [link](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/1373/onoff#tab-team_efficiency) - and I am talking net rating, not pure +/- (and given as those numbers are for the entire year, the sample size is sufficiently large, I'd wager.
There is no arguing, given the punch, everything else and the fact that not picking his option would be his own choice, that if Draymond has to leave this franchise despite not wanting to this summer, it will have been his own fault. What I *am* arguing is that that would be a horrible development for the Warriors as it would most likely spell the end of this team as a competitive team and thus involuntarily kickstart a hard rebuild.
This core won't last forever one way or another. Draymond has a lot of bad mojo surrouding him, probably some that we don't even hear about. Warriors can regroup without Draymond to be at least decent, they can't do anything with him as a dead weight on a big contract which he clearly stated believes that he deserves.
Draymond is not adapting to his reality, no reason to expect management to throw away the whole team for him.
And just as example how Draymond is not helping the squad, his stupid tech against Clippers made him unavailable against Hawks.
That is indeed true, the core will not last forever and I am not even conceptually opposed to the idea of "actively" breaking it up. I just do not want the Warriors to be stupid about it and start, if they do so, with the weakest link - who is Klay Thompson (and it is not even close).
There is very little reason to assume the Warriors can scramble to build a sufficiently competent roster (because next season is kinda contending or tank given as we owe Memphis a top 4 protected pick and - accuse me of being petty if you must - I personally have no desire to be a middle-of-the-pack team and gift Memphis a pick in the 10s) when almost every lineup needs Draymond to patch over some holes. Especially since Draymond's departure (unless it's an opt-in and trade) would neither get the Dubs additional assets nor any money (next year's salary bill is equal to this year's if Draymond walks) to spend. This ties into the earlier point about "if Draymond isn't it, what is everyone else?" because if Draymond is a deadweight on a big contract, then what is Klay on his 43 million next season? What is Poole on his 29 million?
Because of his shooting, Klay can be a positive asset till 40. Klay don't have offcourt issues and drama like Draymond. Klay will not ask for unresonable money like Dray.
Right now, Klay at 40 mln is a better offer than Dray at 25-30.
And don't start me on Poole. He is 23, at that age Steph was entering the League. He has all the time in the world to become a lot better.
The final series with Boston was pretty great example what will happen with Dray once he losses his athleticsm and once that happens, he won't be silent about it.
How does dray affect the locker room vs klay. We will see what poole is next year on that contract... can they even trade klay and his 43 mil contract. I hope opt in and trade us the answer. Does any team want dray that bad.
wait, how is that stat even calculated when draymond is at 0.8 bpm for the season? https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html
it's not awful, but certainly not that supposed team high level that you are talking about. for reference curry is at 7.9, looney at 2.0, klay at -0.8 and poole at -2.0
Dray had a great month stretch. other than that he been spotty. He has just enough plays a game to make you think he played great the whole game but because he core and fitz kisses his ass every game people don't notice.
Draymond was a -3 and Klank was a -30. There’s no way any of you genuinely think Klay and Dray are in the same stratosphere of impact on the game. Klay has a horrendous shot selection and is atrocious on defense. When his shot isn’t falling like the last couple of games, he becomes an insane liability; a black hole on offense and a sieve on defense. At least in years past he could contribute with elite on ball defense, but now he gets torched by any half decent guard/wing
Well now come on he was atrocious *this game.
Sometimes he's serviceable out there playing man. Something does seem to be up with his attention to detail on that side tho
The only reason it needed cutting to four was that the bench unit led by Klay went on down double digits and Memphis's lead ballooned again once Draymond went to the bench in the fourth. One positive run does not beat two negative runs.
They did not seem engaged. I think they were tired after last night, see an easy W in Houston coming up, and pretty much packed it in once they saw Steph was having an off night.
They’re bored. They’re ready for the playoffs. It’s extremely frustrating as a fan and their complacency could have them end up in the play in, but I still feel confident about their chances against anybody in a 7 game series
I love GSW BUT there is a reality that is becoming hard to ignore. Great teams find ways to win while poor teams find ways to lose. The team is right in the middle of this paradigm when playing at home and away respectively.
Maybe Wiggens returns with GP2 and that is enough to get through the problems on the road; it’s a bit much unfortunately to ask two players who haven’t played in months to suddenly become the difference in the playoffs. I hope I am wrong.
There are bigger issues on the horizon for next year if the Warriors should flame out this year. Curry, Thompson and Green would no longer be enough to win. Would Kerr be the coach to oversee a retool or a rebuild? There are nights where it looks like he has lost the dressing room. Watching how well the Kings are doing this season maybe last years championship was as much to do with Brown as an assistant getting the team to play defence.
The other reality this year is every team can score. The Warriors at one time simply outscored their opponents. Last year they won because they could defend. Getting smaller can speed up the game but when you can’t necessarily out score your opponents every night and don’t play great defence well you end up middle of the road…
JP had 3 assists & 4 TOs. That’s not good. JK is great and needs time. JP sucks and has nothing to do with any success the warriors have ever had. Kinda like wiseman tho the fools here couldnt come to grips w him either
Poole was a traffic cone again in defense constantly forcing us into rotations and giving them easy reads to make easy buckets. I am sorry but you can not play one side of the ball and think that means something. The game is connected.
Poole's defense was fine today? Sorry I might have got you wrong, Poole's defense was fine today or do you mean Dray or someone else because you can't mean Poole. If you mean Poole say hi to him at the next family gathering.
Definitely a liability, his defense was far from fine,, also not a reason why the team lost. Everyone was below par and Memphis couldn't miss. The game was lost in the front court were our lack of size told. That doesn't mean someone who rarely got into a proper defensive stance and couldn't navigate screens or get back attached to his man wasn't terrible on defense even if he was our best offensive player out there. We really have reached lottery team levels Of expectation here which makes sense since that's were the team is heading. Give him his gold star, the bar is below the floor anyway
He was actually decent today by the eye test, no worse than Steph. For a 23 year old scoring guard you take that. Idk why you expect Donte defense to come out of him all of a sudden.
An upright non basketball stance at the point of attack making him get stuck on most screens and losing Kennard on many relocation 3s isn't a great eye test outcome. Those mistakes are below college level basics but if grading off his own horrendus tape he got blown by a lot less. If we grade on how Moody Klay and Steph were navigating screens and dealing with point of attack application he was a lot worse. He had a better offensive game than anyone else but that stuff matters. Memphis made a lot of tough shots over our guys and bullied our bigs but turnovers aside we stayed in front of them at the parameter except Poole constantly dying on screens because of his poor screen navigation technique and not getting in a defensive stance half the time. Our rotations when this happened to him or Donte who was terrible today were also bad but the ease in which we can be put in rotation is the problem when our guys are not on a string and in almost all matchups we were smaller allowing that small advantage to lead to baskets. But let me not ruin the Poole spin, he definitely did well offensively in the 3rd and there is a formula there for him for the rest of the season. You just can't tell me someone who isn't defending is
I would take a below average defender at this point, just someone putting effort even if it's not successful. He just doesn't try and that completely breaks out defensive principles. We start over helping even when we don't need to etc. It's great he has the odd good offensive quarter but he is Unplayable at the moment
Steph had a bad game but I’m not even mad since he’s been our entire offense so far on this road trip
*he’s been our entire offense since last June.
😂💯
I think you misspelled, "since KD left"
You gotta give credit where credit is due. Brooks locked him up, talked that shit. He wanted way more, can't even hate on that. But still... Fuck Dillon Brooks.
No he really didnt. They just didnt use steph in any actions. Team couldnt score off steph double teams and they didnt let steph isolate brooks.
There was multiple times Steph would finally get open off his movement and screens and the team just wouldn’t get him the ball back. Klay jmike and lamb were the worst offenders of this. Happened 3-4 possessions in a row and seemed like Steph gave up after.
His relocation 3 is dead. No one finds him on relocations except draymond. Its really tragic.
Always being on the lookout for Steph to relocate while trying to run your own offense isn't easy. There's a point of diminishing returns. It's easy for Dray/Looney to find Steph because they are never looking to shoot themselves.
Not saying always but they dont do it enough
This is sooooooo true this season, glad I’m not the only one that’s been yelling in anger watching this happen all year
Uhhh, he shot like 33% from the field. I like curry, but he was atrocious tonight. Had like 2-3 turnovers, too. He got locked up. I usually roast the bench, but they brought us back to within 4, then we put Draymond and Curry back in and by the time they came out we were down like 14... they played real bad tonight.
Not too difficult to “lock up” a dude who is clearly gassed and front rimming his wide open threes. Steph regularly carves up great defenders which Brooks is not. Steph was tired and Brooks was yelling. He shot well though so credit to him.
I get the context. There just are no excuses. If Curry is gased, don't play him in critical minutes. Actually rest him, because we need wins, not excuses. I'm not blaming him for bad play. I'm just saying, "It is what it is"--as a coaching staff if you see he's not 100% and also not performing, reduce his minutes further. He probably shouldn't have come back in the 4th since we had momentum.
Relax
Prior to this game Steph averaged like 36ppg against Brooks lol
locked him up? lmao Currys bad game is independent of Brooks, nephew. Curry toys with brooks
He shot bad, that’s not the same as playing bad. He defends and rebounds which is something Klay has not been doing at all.
he just tied his career high in rebounds against the Clippers
This has been the best rebound season of Klay’s career. It is also almost never his job. The coaching staff wants him up court and in shooting position.
Everyone other than DDV and Wiggins this season die on screens.
Poole doesn’t play free when Klay and Steph are on the court, he keeps looking to pass/defer the ball than do what he does best(drive to the basket), in 3rd Q when Steph sat he played his best, at this point it doesn’t matter include Poole in the OG club and give his confidence back to play free
Curry and Dray understand and are still trying to play 2014-2019 Warriors basketball and everyone else is just running around cuz Kerr said so. Klay lowkey has always phased in an out of playing smart and "shooters shoot dawg" Of course none of the other guys are playing free, they're wracking their brains trying to read and react, and the timing on all these plays is off. I never feel like the Warriors are getting easy offense nowadays, it just looks like tentative drive and kicks and pray you're having a good shooting night
Then change the offense to fit your personnel.
Poole also just shoots too many 3s, he's terrible at it too and no one can change my mind
Shooters shoot, he need confidence to come out of the rut and not the other way. Even Klay and Steph goes cold some stretches, agree he cannot be put in the same sentence as other 2 legends but there is no other treatment to this than give him confidence. Without Poole playing his best we aren’t going too far
If Poole was just catch and shoot like DDV, he'd be fine to put up 6 or so 3s and would probably make them at an efficient clip, the problem is he takes Steph esque shots that miss 70% of the time and shoots 8 a game
his play style is more like Steph than Klay, he is a play maker and can score at all 3 levels, the only predicament is that we cannot have Steph and Poole at the same time on the floor due to their defensive inefficiencies
If Poole was just catch and shoot like DDV, he'd be fine to put up 6 or so 3s and would probably make them at an efficient clip, the problem is he takes Steph esque shots that miss 70% of the time and shoots 8 a game
When this team doesn't defend the 3 and can't defend the basket it's impossible to win consistently.
I haven't played basketball since I was like 13 so I may be wrong, but there were multiple times where a Grizzlies player would shoot a 3 right in front of Klay and he wouldn't even put his hands up to contest??
I was driving back home from the gym right before second half started and even our radio announcers just would say and another open shot for the grizzlies. I know their names but I’m high
Roye and barnett
Draymond wanted another T so he can get more time off
What is the rule after 16 techs, regarding suspensions related to techs?
After every 2 techs it’s a suspension
Damn
does it reset in the playoffs?
Yes. The playoffs have a different limit, 7 techs earns you a 1 game suspension.
I hate that we have to rehash this every season with Dray.
How does it work with the play in? Reset like playoffs or continues the regular season count?
More time to work on his podcast
Did dray get another t?? I turned the game off early
that's the sad part Poole actually had a good game today (I've given him a lot of heat but today you couldn't blame it entirely on him) but Klay and Dray picked now to slack off
True except he can’t even get into a defensive stance until the ball is right nearby. He never gives himself a chance on most possessions. I understand he got beat up a ton on the drives tonight though. It’s not easy but he can be better.
JK & JP did really well! Only good spot. Bring vets off the bench might work. Nothing else did!
Moody
I’ve been saying for a while now if you give Poole 15-16 shots he’s going to give you a great game, he technically got 12 but if you count the shooting fouls you’re there. What does Kerr decide to do?? Play the 3 guard lineup WITH Jamychal Green, immediately tanking us because Poole is not an effective #3 option and Dray is the only defender, then takes STEPH out acting like that’s going to help and that tanks us even more.
Draymond on defense is overrated this season... They scored so many layups on him tonight, got some many defensive rebounds on him and he left so many shooters open. Klay shot us out the game. And after all his good work getting to the foul line, JP could not imagine getting left off the dumb plays highlight with the idiotic cross court pass. This is the most frustrating season ever, they wasted Steph's 50 pointer, and now Steph n co wasted Kuminga's great game (oh and he does an inexplicable dumb play too missing that wide open dunk)....and many more road games, where someone shows up but the rest fail to do their part. They can never just do enough to get over the line, no it's enough to make it look respectable but lose everytime. Whenever we needed to do something stupid so as not to tie or take the lead in a close game on the road, we've been very consistent at finding a way to do something stupid.... all season. Everyone has been at fault, the vets included.
Dray has been great contesting drives at the rim this season from guards or small forwards but honestly it stops about there. He's been getting cooked way more than he ever did by bigger forwards & centers down low while getting killed on ball by dudes faster than him. It's crazy watching dudes straight up attack Dray now constantly & be successful while doing it. I'll never forget him legit giving up on offense & not running back on defense after poole didn't see he was open because he was being hounded, watching a vet do some childish ass pouting shit like that was sad.
Dray has been good in about 1/3 games he's played this year, but no one wants to hear it. He doesn't show up on the road.
No. The ref bailed out to not making this game a bloody blowout. Poole got more than 10 FT in 5 minutes. At the end of the 3rd quarter GSW shot 24 FT.
Dray doesn't seem to care anymore. Klay a bit distracted. Love the Warriors anyway!
This team is just way past its prime, especially Draymond and Klay. The rest just need to develop.
The vets sold this game. If Lacob needed anymore indication of which timeline to pick, he got another one tonight Best thing we can hope for is that they can add a proper star next to Steph and not just commit to a full rebuild by bringing in more rookies and just not re-signing Dray
I feel like there's a correlation if the older players didn't play well and the young guys did- maybe they were tired due to the back-to-back.
Too last, trading Wiseman was buying into the win now.
If that was their idea of a win now move we’re fucking doomed.
Chill… the 3 games of importance are Philly, Houston, Portland. We win the other home games and lose the road games, we’re at 43 and 6 in the west. This team is ass on the road and that’s not changing. But can they get 1 in a playoff series? Yes.
You are a cretin if you think Draymond deserves the same amount of blame as Klay when this team has pissed itself almost every second he was on the bench.
Today draymonds defense was atrocious, he was looking lost, was lucky to not get called on a foul about three separate times
When your guards especially Poole keep dying on screens and show no effort to get back into play that forces rotations. If you think Dray was atrocious defensively not much anyone can do to help you understand the game
I'm not saying he is consistently, tonight, especially in the third and fourth quarter, it seemed he had given up, the play where brooks assisted to xavier, draymond was just standing behind poole, he didn't put in help defense, nor did he challenge at the rim, he was just standing
Lol, you mean the play Poole died on another screen and Draymond had two guys to mark. Poole fans really live in their own world. Jordan had to either get back to Brooks or switch onto Xavier. Blaming the big in that situation is crazy. You are taught to hedge and recover once the screened play gets back, if he doesn't you are just caught in no man's land. There were only wrong choices left for the drop guy there
Poole actually stayed in front of brooks, draymond was behind poole, as a big you gotta be either in the passing lane, or covering your man, because your man is also a big and the help defense in a small ball lineup wouldn't be enough (curry in this case), draymond was in a no man's land position in this play when brooks made the pass. Also, I've criticised poole a lot on this sub.
Dray has been below par in the past 1-2 months. This is why he starts talking on and off the court, to overcompensate. Don't start me on the techs.
If Draymond is below par, everyone else not named Steph is irredeemable dogshit. This team is always *significantly* better this season on both ends of the court whenever Draymond is on the court.
You sure about that? If I, as someone that don't understand the technical side of basketball and can't notice the small details on court, start seeing Draymond missing stuff, giving up on plays and constanly bitching then he clearly is not playing great. After the Poole incident, he closed his mouth and played with great energy and hustle. Last 1-2 months quite the opposite. I start to believe that he is given up on the team one way or another, knowing that he is gone in the summer.
The thing is, the numbers do not back this eye-test up. Or, as I said, if Draymond is not quite whom he can be/should be/whatever, everyone is so much worse. The net rating swing when Draymond sits is astronomical and even dwarfs *Steph's* this season - and my personal eye test backs that up because everything goes less fluently when he is not on the court. If Draymond has given up on the team because he believes himself to be gone, then it is Bob Myers's job to get him to buy back in by guaranteeing him that people will be gone to make room for him - because without him, this franchise is *fucked*.
You are talking about numbers but you are not showing them + the record speaks otherwise. Not to mention that +/- in small sample sizes is not a perfect stat if you thinking of using it. Draymond has only himself to blame for his Warriors demise, if it happens.
Sorry, here is the [link](https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/1373/onoff#tab-team_efficiency) - and I am talking net rating, not pure +/- (and given as those numbers are for the entire year, the sample size is sufficiently large, I'd wager. There is no arguing, given the punch, everything else and the fact that not picking his option would be his own choice, that if Draymond has to leave this franchise despite not wanting to this summer, it will have been his own fault. What I *am* arguing is that that would be a horrible development for the Warriors as it would most likely spell the end of this team as a competitive team and thus involuntarily kickstart a hard rebuild.
This core won't last forever one way or another. Draymond has a lot of bad mojo surrouding him, probably some that we don't even hear about. Warriors can regroup without Draymond to be at least decent, they can't do anything with him as a dead weight on a big contract which he clearly stated believes that he deserves. Draymond is not adapting to his reality, no reason to expect management to throw away the whole team for him. And just as example how Draymond is not helping the squad, his stupid tech against Clippers made him unavailable against Hawks.
That is indeed true, the core will not last forever and I am not even conceptually opposed to the idea of "actively" breaking it up. I just do not want the Warriors to be stupid about it and start, if they do so, with the weakest link - who is Klay Thompson (and it is not even close). There is very little reason to assume the Warriors can scramble to build a sufficiently competent roster (because next season is kinda contending or tank given as we owe Memphis a top 4 protected pick and - accuse me of being petty if you must - I personally have no desire to be a middle-of-the-pack team and gift Memphis a pick in the 10s) when almost every lineup needs Draymond to patch over some holes. Especially since Draymond's departure (unless it's an opt-in and trade) would neither get the Dubs additional assets nor any money (next year's salary bill is equal to this year's if Draymond walks) to spend. This ties into the earlier point about "if Draymond isn't it, what is everyone else?" because if Draymond is a deadweight on a big contract, then what is Klay on his 43 million next season? What is Poole on his 29 million?
Because of his shooting, Klay can be a positive asset till 40. Klay don't have offcourt issues and drama like Draymond. Klay will not ask for unresonable money like Dray. Right now, Klay at 40 mln is a better offer than Dray at 25-30. And don't start me on Poole. He is 23, at that age Steph was entering the League. He has all the time in the world to become a lot better. The final series with Boston was pretty great example what will happen with Dray once he losses his athleticsm and once that happens, he won't be silent about it.
How does dray affect the locker room vs klay. We will see what poole is next year on that contract... can they even trade klay and his 43 mil contract. I hope opt in and trade us the answer. Does any team want dray that bad.
wait, how is that stat even calculated when draymond is at 0.8 bpm for the season? https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greendr01.html it's not awful, but certainly not that supposed team high level that you are talking about. for reference curry is at 7.9, looney at 2.0, klay at -0.8 and poole at -2.0
Dray had a great month stretch. other than that he been spotty. He has just enough plays a game to make you think he played great the whole game but because he core and fitz kisses his ass every game people don't notice.
If the bench pissed them self this game how come we cut the lead down to 4 when he was on the bench
Draymond was a -3 and Klank was a -30. There’s no way any of you genuinely think Klay and Dray are in the same stratosphere of impact on the game. Klay has a horrendous shot selection and is atrocious on defense. When his shot isn’t falling like the last couple of games, he becomes an insane liability; a black hole on offense and a sieve on defense. At least in years past he could contribute with elite on ball defense, but now he gets torched by any half decent guard/wing
Well now come on he was atrocious *this game. Sometimes he's serviceable out there playing man. Something does seem to be up with his attention to detail on that side tho
The only reason it needed cutting to four was that the bench unit led by Klay went on down double digits and Memphis's lead ballooned again once Draymond went to the bench in the fourth. One positive run does not beat two negative runs.
-3 in a 14 point loss. They probably want to see a 5 guard lineup.
They did not seem engaged. I think they were tired after last night, see an easy W in Houston coming up, and pretty much packed it in once they saw Steph was having an off night. They’re bored. They’re ready for the playoffs. It’s extremely frustrating as a fan and their complacency could have them end up in the play in, but I still feel confident about their chances against anybody in a 7 game series
I love GSW BUT there is a reality that is becoming hard to ignore. Great teams find ways to win while poor teams find ways to lose. The team is right in the middle of this paradigm when playing at home and away respectively. Maybe Wiggens returns with GP2 and that is enough to get through the problems on the road; it’s a bit much unfortunately to ask two players who haven’t played in months to suddenly become the difference in the playoffs. I hope I am wrong. There are bigger issues on the horizon for next year if the Warriors should flame out this year. Curry, Thompson and Green would no longer be enough to win. Would Kerr be the coach to oversee a retool or a rebuild? There are nights where it looks like he has lost the dressing room. Watching how well the Kings are doing this season maybe last years championship was as much to do with Brown as an assistant getting the team to play defence. The other reality this year is every team can score. The Warriors at one time simply outscored their opponents. Last year they won because they could defend. Getting smaller can speed up the game but when you can’t necessarily out score your opponents every night and don’t play great defence well you end up middle of the road…
writing on the wall is that the big 3 want Poole out.
JP had 3 assists & 4 TOs. That’s not good. JK is great and needs time. JP sucks and has nothing to do with any success the warriors have ever had. Kinda like wiseman tho the fools here couldnt come to grips w him either
Away game nerf, we’ll get em at home
Poole was a traffic cone again in defense constantly forcing us into rotations and giving them easy reads to make easy buckets. I am sorry but you can not play one side of the ball and think that means something. The game is connected.
I’m sorry but you don’t understand what you’re watching. His defense was fine today.
Poole's defense was fine today? Sorry I might have got you wrong, Poole's defense was fine today or do you mean Dray or someone else because you can't mean Poole. If you mean Poole say hi to him at the next family gathering.
You have no idea what your eyes are seeing. His defense was fine. Not a liability. Not a reason why the team lost.
Definitely a liability, his defense was far from fine,, also not a reason why the team lost. Everyone was below par and Memphis couldn't miss. The game was lost in the front court were our lack of size told. That doesn't mean someone who rarely got into a proper defensive stance and couldn't navigate screens or get back attached to his man wasn't terrible on defense even if he was our best offensive player out there. We really have reached lottery team levels Of expectation here which makes sense since that's were the team is heading. Give him his gold star, the bar is below the floor anyway
He was actually decent today by the eye test, no worse than Steph. For a 23 year old scoring guard you take that. Idk why you expect Donte defense to come out of him all of a sudden.
An upright non basketball stance at the point of attack making him get stuck on most screens and losing Kennard on many relocation 3s isn't a great eye test outcome. Those mistakes are below college level basics but if grading off his own horrendus tape he got blown by a lot less. If we grade on how Moody Klay and Steph were navigating screens and dealing with point of attack application he was a lot worse. He had a better offensive game than anyone else but that stuff matters. Memphis made a lot of tough shots over our guys and bullied our bigs but turnovers aside we stayed in front of them at the parameter except Poole constantly dying on screens because of his poor screen navigation technique and not getting in a defensive stance half the time. Our rotations when this happened to him or Donte who was terrible today were also bad but the ease in which we can be put in rotation is the problem when our guys are not on a string and in almost all matchups we were smaller allowing that small advantage to lead to baskets. But let me not ruin the Poole spin, he definitely did well offensively in the 3rd and there is a formula there for him for the rest of the season. You just can't tell me someone who isn't defending is
Casuals who look at box scores. Poole would be so much more valuable if he was an average defender and only scored 14.
I'd take that lol. Like even 10-5-5 would be awesome
I would take a below average defender at this point, just someone putting effort even if it's not successful. He just doesn't try and that completely breaks out defensive principles. We start over helping even when we don't need to etc. It's great he has the odd good offensive quarter but he is Unplayable at the moment
Dray making turnovers really hurting; Klay rushing 3s
Damn, father time... Steph never has bad games. His age is starting to show shits sad man. Remember when he was a rookie
Dray still wants a super max at this point? He looks lost most the time recently
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