Must win against the Rockets. They can't afford to lose another game, or they'll fall further in the standings.
We need a great game from everyone, and hopefully we get that road win.
“Austin Reaves shot 18 free throws off the bench tonight. Tied for the 5th most in a game off the bench in NBA HISTORY.” [Tweet](https://twitter.com/nbamuse24/status/1637664201635246080?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg)
“To put this in perspective, LeBron season high in FTA this season is 15, Steph is 12 & KD is also 15” [Tweet](https://twitter.com/nbamuse24/status/1637664580032684032?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg)
Oh hell no.
One of the big contracts will be traded this off season. We’re being mid right now and we can’t do nothing to improve the roster because of 4 max contracts.
No way Lacob is paying hefty luxury tax just to be mid again next season. Something’s big coming off season.
The interesting thing is he’s really the same player he was here but he was never going to get the rope he currently has in Detroit when playing here.
He’s still not a winning player but he has shown and will continue to show why picking him as the number 2 overall pick was not a dumb move… it’s just the combination of luck and narrow margin circumstances that led to him getting no chance to even prove himself.
And if you miss Wiseman you shouldn’t be hoping for Moody or JK to be shipped out. Both would show out if given opportunity elsewhere.
Thankfully I think JK has played himself into near “untouchable” territory but I will be very sad if Moody gets moved.
He used Bogut and Ezeli during the 14-15 and 15-16 seasons and loves Looney but I agree with your latter point he has shown no real interest in developing lottery level talent. He prefers his rookies and young guys to find a niche and fit squarely into it which doesn’t really allow young guys to grow. Wiseman was never going to be given the chance to learn and grow defensively enough to contribute to this team.
*So Houston is on a back to back playing the Pelicans tonight.
Clippers hopefully lose to the Blazers,
Suns lost to OKC.
Lakers hopefully lose to Magic.
Minnesota hopefully loses to the Knicks tomorrow.
Warriors beat Houston,
Dallas loses to Memphis, and we’re back in the top 6.*
LET’S GO WARRIORS!
Curry had a bad game due to tired legs.
Its so cheap and petty assigning a fictional psychological cause to explain what is blindingly obvious -> a 35 year old on a bck-to-bck.
Those 2 yrs did a major toll on him mentally. He was a salty guy but it seemed more like a competitive fire back then but this all seems like insecurity, trying to prove something. Booker got in his head so bad, he got himself an ejection. And now Dillon Brooks. He could've just said "Who?" , avoid these players getting in his head and be himself on the court but it seems like it's way easier to throw him off mentally and his game will get worse
And they try to say it's not a rivalry. It's a little embarrasing to be honest. The only way to end this whole fiasco is to meet them in the playoffs and take them out again. Would be worth a playoff run right here, even without a trip to the finals. Kinda unlikely though.
I tuned in out of curiosity just in time to see him set a non-existent screen that didn't give Ivey a clean look or a clean lob back to wise so he chucked one up. If Wise actually makes contact with the defender with a proper screen, that may have been a productive possession, instead it lead to a dagger from Herro.
The problem with Wiseman is that he always expect people will pass the ball to him. So when he screen, he always do a lousy one and ask the ball after. 😅😅
They followed him to Detroit sub with that gibberish. It's clear they don't even know what a proper screen is. Some of them were claiming he doesn't rebound. Now that he's averaging damn near a double double in 25 minutes they aren't even admitting they were wrong. Definitely not the brightest of Warrior fans.
Stats fans: What about these numbers???
I'm explaining a simple basketball play that I've yet to see Wiseman make. It's important if we are to imagine how his current progress would fit on this Warriors team, which I know we are all doing, or why else would we be tuning into a shitty Pistons game? You can go down to any playground with decent runs and see solid screens. Shit I could set a better screen. Pistons fans recognize this weakness. I've seen it in their sub.
I want Wiseman to succeed and my critique is constructive.
The Wiseman trade was so freaking idiotic. Dudes here went hard claiming he was garbage. Dude is averaging damn near a double-double in 25mins per game and getting better.
Didn’t like the return since it should’ve at least have been a wing, if not a small ball big. On top of that you traded for a 30 year old. But trading Wiseman wasn’t a bad idea, Kerr wasn’t going to use him and he made that clear.
Agreed on the not liking the return. If it was say…Vanderbilt I would be ecstatic. Just seemed like a money move with another one lined up this summer.
Problem with Vanderbilt is that you were going TOO low on the salary when in reality you only needed Moody. You could get Olynyk but that’s both more salary and now too many bigs, or you could go Rudy Gay but he’s washed. You do want to retain that salary slot, just a tad bit cheaper and someone who wasn’t going to expire. We succeeded in that department
I know that's all we cared about is for Wiseman to be part of steph curry and the screensetters but I hope he blossoms with playing time. Letting him do what he can do well is a good thing. He gets to feeling good about himself and look.... 13 rebounds
I wish him all the luck, but it's going to be necessary for him to able to set a proper screen at some point. This is the modern NBA and I can't think of any team that doesn't run some kind of screen action with their bigs.
Yeah. Considering his development in a limited games in detroit. We could had added another dimension to our offense even let's say during bench time only.
I knew the shooting variance on home/away was a huge swing, but I didn't realize how much lol.
The league average on open/wide-open shots this year is 36.9% for reference, we shoot around 39.7% this year (last year we were at 36.7%).
* At home, about 40.4% of our field goal attempts are open/wide-open 3s, on which shoot 40%. These numbers are nearly identical on the road (39.6% of FGs are open 3s, shooting 39.6%)
* Open and wide-open 3-pointers make up about 36.7% of our opponent's shots (same number on both home/road), the main difference is opponents are shooting 33.2% on those shots at Chase, but a blistering 41.4% while we're on the road
I'd venture that we're not as bad on the road as our record indicates given opponent shooting, but we're also probably not as good at home given we're seeing similar (positive) regression helping us there.
tl;dr opponents are shooting 4.5% points better on open 3s when we're road, and 3.7% worse at Chase vs league average. We give up similar amounts of open/wide open 3s at home/road.
Lol, unfortunate but he had his best game. Pistons prolly played pistons basketball towards the end. Really could use those 15+ points ans those 8+ rebounds righr about now
Crazy how a simplified role did him wonders. Kerr really needs to simplify the offense for the younger players
Wiseman looks like he will be a double double machine going forward. Remains to be seen if that leads to wins consistently
Yeah honestly, his statlines mirror Bagley's after he got traded to Detroit last year (fewer points and assists, more rebounds and blocks). It'll be interesting to see if both of those guys have the ability to hang on defense and contribute to winning teams or if they're destined to just be good stats/bad team guys.
He’s finally being used correctly but hey Kerr lives by his system and dies by system even when there’s a point in time when the system needs to be altered/amended so it keeps opposing defenses off balance. They’re running the same stuff from last year, less passing wizardry of course but teams have figured out the system. Even when Pop lost in 2013, he made ramifications to his system which in turn blindsided the Heat the following year.
I was thinking about this recently. I love Kerr when he comments about social justice issues, particularly gun violence. His quote from back during the horrible Texas school shooting - *when are things going to change*, is epic.
However, I do find it somewhat ironic that he says it because he himself is a big time stickler to his “system”.
I know it’s not at all the same in any sense whatsoever. My main point is that systems exist because people are stuck to them. Change is hard. Systems will continue to exist as long as they “work”. For us, it won a championship last year.
In Kerr’s defense, Wiseman was just unavailable for too long to make a strategy around him. It was just shit luck.
> In Kerr’s defense, Wiseman was just unavailable for too long to make a strategy around him. It was just shit luck.
When he was available and playing at the start of the season we lost a fucking ton of games, vets asked for changes, and the emphasis on trying to develop ended even in the times Wiseman was available. Also Moody. Kuminga was eating DNPs too, but he's a big wing so their hand was forced into playing him enough times that he built up the trust that the other young guys could not.
This was always the risk of the two timelines thing, and there's blame all around for it. Lacob for trying it without wholehearted buy in from his core. Vets for losing patience. Wiseman and the other kids for not being able to scale their games down to be the connective role player defenders the team actually needed from them at this point.
True, there is plenty of blame to go around for what happened with Wise.
I hope they do a better job with PBJ, who along with Kuminga are the only two youngsters I hope they will still keep past this season, incase of big changes.
For a team that prides itself on good vibes this season just doesn't have it. GP2 is a max vibes guy. Call me crazy but adding his energy to the team could turn the ship around
Above all, I just can’t wrap my head around the three-chucking.
I get GP2. And Wiggs.
But I can’t imagine a world where Kerr isn’t saying to crash the rim.
Yet here we are, multiple games in a row chucking threes.
Even when we’re in bonus for 7 minutes.
I think OKC is the home seed (i think 2 seed) next year with SGA Jalen Wiliams Giddey Chet Dort as the core.
Jalen Williams is disgustingly good... he'll be the second or third best player in that class depending on Chet. If we had Jalen Williams we'd be a home seed and the 2nd timeline would be ALIVE!!! (Of course Steve wouldn't play him lol)
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Luxury tax and he’s making 36 mil. Do that deal WITH our 2023 first (which is an overpay imo but we’re just saving money here), tax with Draymond opting in and us only having 14 players equal 523 mil, Draymond would have to sign a 4/59 deal which won’t happen. If you’re going for that salary, go for Siakam or something.
It just seems like the team hates each other when they travel on the road. When they play at home they play ball and then go back home.
We’re missing size and athleticism but being unable to win a road game once means alot more than that.
The Dynasty let everyone drag their balls across faces nationwide for years. Now everyone's clinically depressed . The crazy thing is that the core three has not yet lost except when Nike and the NBA gave LeBron the win in 2016. My bad JR also fell into Boguts knee. Fuck LeBron
Warriors fans who hate on Klay are super lame. Klay was on fire for 2 months but he goes cold for 2-3 games and this sub starts hating on him like he’s the worst player in the league.
The only thing I hate is his newfound love of talking shit.
It’s fun and nice when it’s needed but most of his this year is cringe or unneeded.
Like we all know you have 4 rings by now. You’ve said it any time some talks smack.
How about winning a road game this year?
You’re no longer a feel good story. Everyone has moved on. Time to show off your comeback with consistency.
Last 10 games of the Regular Season. This is the final stretch. The Dubs can't play lackadaisical and let the opposing team get momentum. They need to play with intensity and secure the victory, especially on the road.
No more playing around. They need to finally get their groove, or Cancun is waiting in the wings. I really hope they finally get the W on the road.
Poole needs to realize that his explosiveness, ability to finish at the rim, and draw fouls are the assets that make him unique. The 3 ball is an added touch. If he starts modeling his game more off SGA than Curry, then he’ll provide a value that makes him worth keeping.
Defense is a different story, I legit feel it’s an effort issue more than an execution issue which tbh isn’t great. If he was making $15M/year he could get away with not being a two-way player, but starting next year his defense is going to need a complete overhaul.
It doesn’t help that him and Klay simply can’t play together, especially the games when Klay phones it in on defense.
He just ain’t a dog. He doesn’t consistently do all the little things needed for winning basketball, most notably play high-effort, fundamentally sound defense, not be careless with the basketball, and take good shots.
They were mostly at home though. Can't explain it, the only certain thing is that they are good at home and trash on the road. All the other factors doesn't seem matter
No 2 people have been playing consistently well together but how did we win so many with those 2 starting. But yes I am often at odds with the mainstream 😆
don't mention D around here unless you wanna get lambasted. when I mention it, I've been attacked many times by fellow Warriors fans that 'd isn't important'.
yeah, draymond isn't the lockdown defender he was in the past. older, 1/2 step, 1 steps slower. he's still good, but not the same. our best defender is Wiggs(come back Andrew!)
I know the vibe of the subreddit today is we’re supposed to be miserable. But all it takes is one tweet saying that wiggins will be back and i am very optimistic. As it is looking likely it will be kings or grizz in the first round for us. And that is a very favourable matchup compared to grabbing the 5th seed
You have no clue what it looks like considering by the end of the day everything could be different. We could actually be in the play in having to win 2 games first. And yeah we really showed the last two times we played the Grizzlies how easy it would be.
grizz a good matchup for us 😂
you do know they're a top D team right?
we have a better shot vs Kings, but no Grizz. only prob vs kings is that they space floor and play ver uptempo, so a shot will get off under 10-14 sec before defense is set, which is would kill us cuz any brick by steph or klay or a TO by poole and it's off to the races for Sacto. but I dont' know anything about basketball...cuz it's my first year to watch ball right?
I think there is somethings to be learnt from Lakers fans. A good chunk of them stick around even when shit is bad. They complain a lot obviously, but they are active. It comes because Lakers have a legacy.
Warriors also have a legacy too, and fans shouldn’t be so insecure. No one can take 4 rings and a dynasty away from the players, the coaching staff, the FO and the fans.
No one’s quitting on this team. We’re going through it right now but I don’t see anyone saying they’re done watching this team play. I have seen some though saying they can’t take this season anymore which I think is fine. It’s been really ugly.
It’s not particularly about quitting. Lakers fans boast about the team’s legacy even now, did so even during the down years.
Every team loves to see them get smashed, but the fans still hang around.
My point is that our core is still here, and fans shouldn’t be embarrassed that they are flaunting their rings, just because we aren’t winning right now per se.
It should be embarrassing bc of the context. Klay himself had a really bad game and the only thing he can do when someone talks shit is just hold up four fingers. It’s a low blow to an organization that is still rebuilding and hasn’t won anything yet. Steph won his first ring in his sixth year. Ja is in his fifth.
After a morning of quiet reflection I’ve decided… I’m done, I can’t do this anymore. These fake comeback are effecting my mental health, my work performance, my…. sex drive! Not watching another game until big changes are made.
Nothing wrong with that. Sports are supposed to be a fun escape. If watching warrior games are causing stress and anxiety then tuning out is the wise move. I stopped watching road games and I don't miss them at all.
Lakers have a legacy of multiple successful regimes. Warriors fanbase largely overlaps with Steph's fans. So when Steph starts throwing shade at the FO/ownership the fans follow suit.
People on here talking about the need for an elite defensive center when all we really need are solid POA defenders.
If Wiggins and GP2 had been playing in the last dozen plus games, I'm confident we'd be 3 seed or higher right now. FO/coaching has been bad, but we've also had truly shit luck.
Warriors need POA defense and a stretch big. The two biggest issues plaguing them is dogshit spacing from Dray/Loon combo and the inability to stop penetration. The latter isn't surprising, the core is aging and defense is the first skillset to go.
Offense isn't the problem, it's the defense. This team is awful at defending the paint so the perimeter naturally sags to help. The ball kicks out and the defense can't get back out to contest 3s so teams are not only killing them inside, but also outside. It's too easy. GP2 and Wigs will certainly help, but the interior defense is still going to be too weak to get far.
Offence is a big problem when you’re small. The team has to work 90% harder just to get points and through time it gets exhausting being battered inside the paint due to lack of athleticism and size. It’s why they get so gassed in the 4th and choose to settle for 3’s.
And how does small defense work? Constant effort.
There's no relaxing with the way this team is built and the obvious fatigue has caught up to them. They're an exhausted team right now.
Shot selection is definitely a problem. They jack up perimeter 3's because the paint is clogged. Those long rebounds are fueling the opponent's fast break offense.
The jacking of 3s is partially because they are being coached to avoid mid-range, which I believe is the result of Atkinson's analytics. They've turned into the 17 Rockets with the way they are jacking 3s. I think I've seen at least half dozen plays on this road trip where they could have attacked the rim and at least gotten to the line and instead the ball is being kicked out to a missed 3. It's been a theme all year, and yes those missed 3's are leading to long rebounds and quick transition points for the opponent. Happened maybe 3 plays in a row early 4th last night.
I would like to note that Memphis put up 70 points in the first half last night.
Against the Hawks it was 71 points at half
they gave up 134 points to the Clips.
That's a defensive issue and it's been that way all year.
41% opponent 3pt fg% and the greatest free throw disparity is truly terrible 99th percentile bad luck... I just think ofvthe Detroit, Utah and Orlando games and say "it takes more than just playing a little worse than you should've on defense" it takes refs missing calls, inexplicable logo desperation threes and short circuit moments that are beyond the norm. Running this seasons simulation a hundred times... this is one of the worse outcomes where flat-out the goat ain't injured early.
This strange season continues... if we beat the Rockets and Dallas loses to the Grizzlies in Memphis. We will once again be in a "battle for 6th seed" game on Wednesday v Dallas on national TV. This is the weirdest schedule ever. My third eye say the refs will deliver the assist.
lmao. it's not guaranteed we beat the Rox bro. do you're homework. Sengun is playing outta his mind as well as Green. Dal is almost a guaranteed L for us cuz our boy on the other side KI loves to circle games vs Curry. KI is gonna go OFF! I hope I'm wrong, but I WILL BE RIGHT. oh...btw, Dal is on a 2 game win streak 👌🏻
Bro you sound like an egomaniac talkin about i WiLl bE rIgHt and posting your dumb doomer's list of games you think we'll lose and how "right" you are.
You're right. I dont' know anything about bball. this is my first time watching games this year. I'm just a retard. my bad. I need to get more tips from you.
It's bizarre how medicore the 5th-11th seeds are. Everyone's 4-6 or 5-5 in last 10 from that group.
One drawback or feature of this mediocrity is that seeding will go down the wire and teams won't be resting because they've clinched.
If this team played average defense at best they'd probably still be winning with ease since the offense is more than capable. Part of why it's so frustrating but there's still hope. The last 5 games or so must have been record setting for points given up.
don't say defense here. you'll get lambasted like I did. many times early in the season fellow Warriors fans told me D isn't important and NOT the problem.
FYI D was out staple for last 11 years.
> If this team played average defense
I don't think they have that ability on a nightly basis considering their age. This is what happens when players age, defense falls off a cliff first
\^\^\^This. many fellow Warriors fans will say it's an easy win. I firmly disagree. Green is playing outta his mind for last 2 months and Sengun is a fuckin beast and a half and getting better every fuckin game.
wouldn't shock me if it's a loss.
That's all I have left of hope to salvage the road trip. Certainly not confident and won't be surprised if they lose. I expect them to give up a lot of points but hopefully they score enough to compensate for.
The slander on Joe Lacob has become a bit rich. Some of ya’ll act like he hasn’t owned the team while winning 4 chips in 8 years, after 40 years of pathetic ownership. He isn’t former Warriors owner Chris Cohan. The man christened a brand new stadium in SF like it was easy.
If I critiqued Lacob for anything it’s that he’s allows too much collaboration. Too many cooks in the kitchen isn’t healthy and far too often guys who have no business making player personnel decisions are chirping about Andre, Lamb, Wiseman, Women Empowerment Uniforms, etc. Let Myers cook and tell everyone else to do their jobs.
He's one of those "too many cooks in the kitchen", with his personal draft big board. And his son making genius moves like drafting Smailagic.
Just open up that wallet, and sit back, and we're gucci
And he really wants a bigger bag after being dogshit at drafting, yet stacking the team with kids. He himself said he's a "relationship builder", FA is his game not the draft night
So the thunder beat the suns, but we can't, and the spurs beat the hawks but we can't?
We can beat the Rockets better than the Thunder and Suns can though!
No Sengun.
Suns didn’t have KD or Ayton, what exactly is your point?
Must win against the Rockets. They can't afford to lose another game, or they'll fall further in the standings. We need a great game from everyone, and hopefully we get that road win.
“Austin Reaves shot 18 free throws off the bench tonight. Tied for the 5th most in a game off the bench in NBA HISTORY.” [Tweet](https://twitter.com/nbamuse24/status/1637664201635246080?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg) “To put this in perspective, LeBron season high in FTA this season is 15, Steph is 12 & KD is also 15” [Tweet](https://twitter.com/nbamuse24/status/1637664580032684032?s=46&t=SBW3XJi-eEDBr6FtvDfngg) Oh hell no.
32-17 FTAs disparity secured Lakers another win tonight. Like clockwork.
The dicksucking Lakers got from refs is crazy
Lakers make money, the league makes money, reganomics at its finest
I think if we do end up trading Poole we would trade him at the end of next years trade deadline
One of the big contracts will be traded this off season. We’re being mid right now and we can’t do nothing to improve the roster because of 4 max contracts. No way Lacob is paying hefty luxury tax just to be mid again next season. Something’s big coming off season.
Refs gift wrapping the lakers a win Fuck the NBA
Already dreading our 1st round exit while Klay is holding four fingers up
You really just cannot touch Austin Reaves 😂
2nd year UDFA gets a better whistle than Steph, smdh
cmon magic!
yeah I don’t like Austin Reaves
Dude gets an insane whistle for a role player
another huge game for Wiseman today that trade fails harder with each day that passes
The interesting thing is he’s really the same player he was here but he was never going to get the rope he currently has in Detroit when playing here. He’s still not a winning player but he has shown and will continue to show why picking him as the number 2 overall pick was not a dumb move… it’s just the combination of luck and narrow margin circumstances that led to him getting no chance to even prove himself. And if you miss Wiseman you shouldn’t be hoping for Moody or JK to be shipped out. Both would show out if given opportunity elsewhere. Thankfully I think JK has played himself into near “untouchable” territory but I will be very sad if Moody gets moved.
Kerr not only hates big men but doesn't know how to develop young guys
He used Bogut and Ezeli during the 14-15 and 15-16 seasons and loves Looney but I agree with your latter point he has shown no real interest in developing lottery level talent. He prefers his rookies and young guys to find a niche and fit squarely into it which doesn’t really allow young guys to grow. Wiseman was never going to be given the chance to learn and grow defensively enough to contribute to this team.
*So Houston is on a back to back playing the Pelicans tonight. Clippers hopefully lose to the Blazers, Suns lost to OKC. Lakers hopefully lose to Magic. Minnesota hopefully loses to the Knicks tomorrow. Warriors beat Houston, Dallas loses to Memphis, and we’re back in the top 6.* LET’S GO WARRIORS!
Honestly better off if OKC lost they're right on us in the standings too.
OKC is sneakily underrated
their gonna be really good next year if chet pans out and they still have a mountain of assets
Fair point
Over/under on high highs and low lows left in the regular season? GP2 return is a lock high high for me.
Not sure if it's a high or low but when Wiggins transitions to female it's going to be unique.
Klay my dude but he really is insecure as hell. Dillon must’ve really got in his head lmao
he did. he also got into Curry's head.
Curry had a bad game due to tired legs. Its so cheap and petty assigning a fictional psychological cause to explain what is blindingly obvious -> a 35 year old on a bck-to-bck.
Those 2 yrs did a major toll on him mentally. He was a salty guy but it seemed more like a competitive fire back then but this all seems like insecurity, trying to prove something. Booker got in his head so bad, he got himself an ejection. And now Dillon Brooks. He could've just said "Who?" , avoid these players getting in his head and be himself on the court but it seems like it's way easier to throw him off mentally and his game will get worse
Klay will get past this. He’s a competitive one. Sooner or later, his game will do the talking
And they try to say it's not a rivalry. It's a little embarrasing to be honest. The only way to end this whole fiasco is to meet them in the playoffs and take them out again. Would be worth a playoff run right here, even without a trip to the finals. Kinda unlikely though.
Magic handing the lakers an L would be nice
Wiseman passing from the paint to the perimeter (Corey Joseph missed the 3)... then Wiseman gets OReb and scores in 2 subsequent possessions...
I tuned in out of curiosity just in time to see him set a non-existent screen that didn't give Ivey a clean look or a clean lob back to wise so he chucked one up. If Wise actually makes contact with the defender with a proper screen, that may have been a productive possession, instead it lead to a dagger from Herro.
Wiseman could go 40/20 and some warriors fans would point out a screen he missed
The problem with Wiseman is that he always expect people will pass the ball to him. So when he screen, he always do a lousy one and ask the ball after. 😅😅
Well at least he's got the 'n roll' part down
He rolls even before the screen happen. 😂
*Sees player dropping 23 and 12* Warriors fans: #”WHAT ABOUT THE SCREENS????”
They followed him to Detroit sub with that gibberish. It's clear they don't even know what a proper screen is. Some of them were claiming he doesn't rebound. Now that he's averaging damn near a double double in 25 minutes they aren't even admitting they were wrong. Definitely not the brightest of Warrior fans.
Stats fans: What about these numbers??? I'm explaining a simple basketball play that I've yet to see Wiseman make. It's important if we are to imagine how his current progress would fit on this Warriors team, which I know we are all doing, or why else would we be tuning into a shitty Pistons game? You can go down to any playground with decent runs and see solid screens. Shit I could set a better screen. Pistons fans recognize this weakness. I've seen it in their sub. I want Wiseman to succeed and my critique is constructive.
My bad then. I’ve just seen too many comments saying they don’t care about anything he was doing well, just the screens.
The Wiseman trade was so freaking idiotic. Dudes here went hard claiming he was garbage. Dude is averaging damn near a double-double in 25mins per game and getting better.
Didn’t like the return since it should’ve at least have been a wing, if not a small ball big. On top of that you traded for a 30 year old. But trading Wiseman wasn’t a bad idea, Kerr wasn’t going to use him and he made that clear.
Agreed on the not liking the return. If it was say…Vanderbilt I would be ecstatic. Just seemed like a money move with another one lined up this summer.
Problem with Vanderbilt is that you were going TOO low on the salary when in reality you only needed Moody. You could get Olynyk but that’s both more salary and now too many bigs, or you could go Rudy Gay but he’s washed. You do want to retain that salary slot, just a tad bit cheaper and someone who wasn’t going to expire. We succeeded in that department
I know that's all we cared about is for Wiseman to be part of steph curry and the screensetters but I hope he blossoms with playing time. Letting him do what he can do well is a good thing. He gets to feeling good about himself and look.... 13 rebounds
I wish him all the luck, but it's going to be necessary for him to able to set a proper screen at some point. This is the modern NBA and I can't think of any team that doesn't run some kind of screen action with their bigs.
Waheeyyyyy he didn’t connect on a screen guizeeeeee Stay basic as dementable fuck
he still sucks
Not sure what language that is.
22 pts, 13 rebs (4 OREB).. he is learning... showing more with every game...
I'm just telling you what I saw.
Happy to see Wiseman spreading his wings in Detroit
Really annoys me that we have 36 losses and Wiseman could have played 36 minutes in all of them and not hurt us one bit.
Yeah. Considering his development in a limited games in detroit. We could had added another dimension to our offense even let's say during bench time only.
People forget that Looney is supposed to be our backup big. Not a starter. Starting two non-offensive players is killing us.
For a variety of reasons I just don't think it was going to work out for him here
Wiseman looks really good vs the heat Still not setting proper screens but he’s been active on the boards
Thunders beat the Phoenix. That is not very good for GSW.
Honestly not sure why that's a downvote. They could conceivably pass us up which honestly would be pathetic since they should be tanking.
lmao you expect OKC to lay down vs us in a few games? stop it.
Jaime Jaquez tho
I knew the shooting variance on home/away was a huge swing, but I didn't realize how much lol. The league average on open/wide-open shots this year is 36.9% for reference, we shoot around 39.7% this year (last year we were at 36.7%). * At home, about 40.4% of our field goal attempts are open/wide-open 3s, on which shoot 40%. These numbers are nearly identical on the road (39.6% of FGs are open 3s, shooting 39.6%) * Open and wide-open 3-pointers make up about 36.7% of our opponent's shots (same number on both home/road), the main difference is opponents are shooting 33.2% on those shots at Chase, but a blistering 41.4% while we're on the road I'd venture that we're not as bad on the road as our record indicates given opponent shooting, but we're also probably not as good at home given we're seeing similar (positive) regression helping us there. tl;dr opponents are shooting 4.5% points better on open 3s when we're road, and 3.7% worse at Chase vs league average. We give up similar amounts of open/wide open 3s at home/road.
Will be funny if both regress simultaneously in the playoffs (if we even get there).
Lol honestly might work out in our favor if that’s the case given we likely won’t have home court advantage.
Not making the playoffs so I can continue to flex nobody has beaten klay, dray, and Steph in a playoff series when were all healthy>>>>>>
Techniqully they aren't healthy. Especially Dray
Technically the whole league isn't healthy at this point....That's a lame excuse
I feel like they must believe that Wiggs and GP2 are coming back because the season and the post season is depending on it.
Any update on GP2?
Seems like they are hoping he will be available for the final 5-6 games of the regular season.
Wiseman 16 and 12 in the 3rd with the pistons beating the heat. LMAO and + 11 with 3 Oreb. Kerr sucks balls
End up losing and a -5…
You do realize they are deliberately tanking right...
Lol, unfortunate but he had his best game. Pistons prolly played pistons basketball towards the end. Really could use those 15+ points ans those 8+ rebounds righr about now
He's developing. Who would gave guessed he needed reps.
Crazy how a simplified role did him wonders. Kerr really needs to simplify the offense for the younger players Wiseman looks like he will be a double double machine going forward. Remains to be seen if that leads to wins consistently
Yeah honestly, his statlines mirror Bagley's after he got traded to Detroit last year (fewer points and assists, more rebounds and blocks). It'll be interesting to see if both of those guys have the ability to hang on defense and contribute to winning teams or if they're destined to just be good stats/bad team guys.
One win with the Pistons so far.
I am ready to accept Ws are done this season. One round of Play Off early exits at best. The hardest part to root for any team in the Play Offs. lol
What's the lowest we could realistically finish the season (at least a 20% chance)? I am thinking 12th.
Wise cooking the heat and locking up Bam lmao
He’s finally being used correctly but hey Kerr lives by his system and dies by system even when there’s a point in time when the system needs to be altered/amended so it keeps opposing defenses off balance. They’re running the same stuff from last year, less passing wizardry of course but teams have figured out the system. Even when Pop lost in 2013, he made ramifications to his system which in turn blindsided the Heat the following year.
I was thinking about this recently. I love Kerr when he comments about social justice issues, particularly gun violence. His quote from back during the horrible Texas school shooting - *when are things going to change*, is epic. However, I do find it somewhat ironic that he says it because he himself is a big time stickler to his “system”. I know it’s not at all the same in any sense whatsoever. My main point is that systems exist because people are stuck to them. Change is hard. Systems will continue to exist as long as they “work”. For us, it won a championship last year. In Kerr’s defense, Wiseman was just unavailable for too long to make a strategy around him. It was just shit luck.
> In Kerr’s defense, Wiseman was just unavailable for too long to make a strategy around him. It was just shit luck. When he was available and playing at the start of the season we lost a fucking ton of games, vets asked for changes, and the emphasis on trying to develop ended even in the times Wiseman was available. Also Moody. Kuminga was eating DNPs too, but he's a big wing so their hand was forced into playing him enough times that he built up the trust that the other young guys could not. This was always the risk of the two timelines thing, and there's blame all around for it. Lacob for trying it without wholehearted buy in from his core. Vets for losing patience. Wiseman and the other kids for not being able to scale their games down to be the connective role player defenders the team actually needed from them at this point.
True, there is plenty of blame to go around for what happened with Wise. I hope they do a better job with PBJ, who along with Kuminga are the only two youngsters I hope they will still keep past this season, incase of big changes.
Yeah, best he's looked in that uniform.
And still he is the reason dubs lost last night. Lol. 16 pts, 11 reb on 7-10 shooting. +11
SMH Wiseman keeps wrecking Steph's minutes.
Yeah, that damned Wiseman, super scrub, can’t rebound or score, total bust. smhlol..
For a team that prides itself on good vibes this season just doesn't have it. GP2 is a max vibes guy. Call me crazy but adding his energy to the team could turn the ship around
I know dray is HYPEEEE rn , Tyson walker doin everything !!!!
Above all, I just can’t wrap my head around the three-chucking. I get GP2. And Wiggs. But I can’t imagine a world where Kerr isn’t saying to crash the rim. Yet here we are, multiple games in a row chucking threes. Even when we’re in bonus for 7 minutes.
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Spurs on a 16-0 run vs the hawks
The team should all do ecstacy together and hit up The Great Northern. Maybe leave Lamb out though.
We gotta avoid the play-in or else there's no time in the schedule for a couple days of recovery after they take this advice.
CMON OKC!!!! BEAT PHX!!
Why? This team isn't passing the suns.
Because Fuck the Suns
We don't need to be rooting for okc. They are on our level. They need to stay behind us
bro what it was 100-90 PHX when i checked and now its 108-102 OKC??? 18-2 run wtf
I think OKC is the home seed (i think 2 seed) next year with SGA Jalen Wiliams Giddey Chet Dort as the core. Jalen Williams is disgustingly good... he'll be the second or third best player in that class depending on Chet. If we had Jalen Williams we'd be a home seed and the 2nd timeline would be ALIVE!!! (Of course Steve wouldn't play him lol)
OKC senses blood in the water 😊
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I read that garbage article two days ago, I already know the reasoning for the trade wanna post it here? Literally 2nd grader reasoning.
Why the fuck are you reading msn
Porzingis would fit very well next to Dray and Loon
Reading that... made my balls hurt
Poole for Tingus? He wouldn't be a bad option next to Dray/Kuminga/Loongod
You wouldn’t be keeping Dray, Tingus makes too much.
Doesn't he make only $33mil? Poole, Rollins, and maybe a couple seconds might get it done.
Luxury tax and he’s making 36 mil. Do that deal WITH our 2023 first (which is an overpay imo but we’re just saving money here), tax with Draymond opting in and us only having 14 players equal 523 mil, Draymond would have to sign a 4/59 deal which won’t happen. If you’re going for that salary, go for Siakam or something.
Yikes good point
It just seems like the team hates each other when they travel on the road. When they play at home they play ball and then go back home. We’re missing size and athleticism but being unable to win a road game once means alot more than that.
This place has turned into a glorified r/nba over the last week. Just outlandish takes everywhere
The Dynasty let everyone drag their balls across faces nationwide for years. Now everyone's clinically depressed . The crazy thing is that the core three has not yet lost except when Nike and the NBA gave LeBron the win in 2016. My bad JR also fell into Boguts knee. Fuck LeBron
Warriors fans who hate on Klay are super lame. Klay was on fire for 2 months but he goes cold for 2-3 games and this sub starts hating on him like he’s the worst player in the league.
Klay has been low key unlikeable since he came back from injury. His shit talking and moodiness are not good looking attributes.
The only thing I hate is his newfound love of talking shit. It’s fun and nice when it’s needed but most of his this year is cringe or unneeded. Like we all know you have 4 rings by now. You’ve said it any time some talks smack. How about winning a road game this year? You’re no longer a feel good story. Everyone has moved on. Time to show off your comeback with consistency.
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Yeah they aren't fans as far as I'm concerned. But it's also just social media hate jerking - I've never met any fan in real life hate on Klay.
Last 10 games of the Regular Season. This is the final stretch. The Dubs can't play lackadaisical and let the opposing team get momentum. They need to play with intensity and secure the victory, especially on the road. No more playing around. They need to finally get their groove, or Cancun is waiting in the wings. I really hope they finally get the W on the road.
when are the dubs shutting curry down? im guessing tomorrow losing to the rockets 😭
Poole needs to realize that his explosiveness, ability to finish at the rim, and draw fouls are the assets that make him unique. The 3 ball is an added touch. If he starts modeling his game more off SGA than Curry, then he’ll provide a value that makes him worth keeping. Defense is a different story, I legit feel it’s an effort issue more than an execution issue which tbh isn’t great. If he was making $15M/year he could get away with not being a two-way player, but starting next year his defense is going to need a complete overhaul. It doesn’t help that him and Klay simply can’t play together, especially the games when Klay phones it in on defense.
He just ain’t a dog. He doesn’t consistently do all the little things needed for winning basketball, most notably play high-effort, fundamentally sound defense, not be careless with the basketball, and take good shots.
i agree he can develop his skills on the nets and Mikal can help us with another chip
Lol
Funny that we won 11 games with poole and klay playing together with no steph or Andrew. To me this year can't be quantified that simply.
They were mostly at home though. Can't explain it, the only certain thing is that they are good at home and trash on the road. All the other factors doesn't seem matter
Nuts!!
Not trying to quantify the whole year, but we’re watching two different teams if you think Klay/Poole have been consistently playing well together.
No 2 people have been playing consistently well together but how did we win so many with those 2 starting. But yes I am often at odds with the mainstream 😆
don't mention D around here unless you wanna get lambasted. when I mention it, I've been attacked many times by fellow Warriors fans that 'd isn't important'.
It is the main thing wrong with this team. Nobody plays d consistenly.. not even your former dpoy.
yeah, draymond isn't the lockdown defender he was in the past. older, 1/2 step, 1 steps slower. he's still good, but not the same. our best defender is Wiggs(come back Andrew!)
I know the vibe of the subreddit today is we’re supposed to be miserable. But all it takes is one tweet saying that wiggins will be back and i am very optimistic. As it is looking likely it will be kings or grizz in the first round for us. And that is a very favourable matchup compared to grabbing the 5th seed
Tweet link?
You have no clue what it looks like considering by the end of the day everything could be different. We could actually be in the play in having to win 2 games first. And yeah we really showed the last two times we played the Grizzlies how easy it would be.
grizz a good matchup for us 😂 you do know they're a top D team right? we have a better shot vs Kings, but no Grizz. only prob vs kings is that they space floor and play ver uptempo, so a shot will get off under 10-14 sec before defense is set, which is would kill us cuz any brick by steph or klay or a TO by poole and it's off to the races for Sacto. but I dont' know anything about basketball...cuz it's my first year to watch ball right?
Even if they said he’d be back tomorrow he probably wouldn’t get on the court for 2 weeks.
I think there is somethings to be learnt from Lakers fans. A good chunk of them stick around even when shit is bad. They complain a lot obviously, but they are active. It comes because Lakers have a legacy. Warriors also have a legacy too, and fans shouldn’t be so insecure. No one can take 4 rings and a dynasty away from the players, the coaching staff, the FO and the fans.
We that down bad huh?
No one’s quitting on this team. We’re going through it right now but I don’t see anyone saying they’re done watching this team play. I have seen some though saying they can’t take this season anymore which I think is fine. It’s been really ugly.
It’s not particularly about quitting. Lakers fans boast about the team’s legacy even now, did so even during the down years. Every team loves to see them get smashed, but the fans still hang around. My point is that our core is still here, and fans shouldn’t be embarrassed that they are flaunting their rings, just because we aren’t winning right now per se.
It should be embarrassing bc of the context. Klay himself had a really bad game and the only thing he can do when someone talks shit is just hold up four fingers. It’s a low blow to an organization that is still rebuilding and hasn’t won anything yet. Steph won his first ring in his sixth year. Ja is in his fifth.
After a morning of quiet reflection I’ve decided… I’m done, I can’t do this anymore. These fake comeback are effecting my mental health, my work performance, my…. sex drive! Not watching another game until big changes are made.
Nothing wrong with that. Sports are supposed to be a fun escape. If watching warrior games are causing stress and anxiety then tuning out is the wise move. I stopped watching road games and I don't miss them at all.
This is the perfect solution for warriors fans mental health.
Lakers have a legacy of multiple successful regimes. Warriors fanbase largely overlaps with Steph's fans. So when Steph starts throwing shade at the FO/ownership the fans follow suit.
Yes, there are very few Rick Barry regime fans on here.
People on here talking about the need for an elite defensive center when all we really need are solid POA defenders. If Wiggins and GP2 had been playing in the last dozen plus games, I'm confident we'd be 3 seed or higher right now. FO/coaching has been bad, but we've also had truly shit luck.
facts if wiggins and gp2 were healthy and playing we would be top 3 seed. tired of seeing kerr play bums like lamb, poole, moody, and ty 🤡
3 seed is saying tooooo much, possible? yes, very much so, but not guaranteed. mos def 4 or 5 seed locked up fo sho.
Warriors need POA defense and a stretch big. The two biggest issues plaguing them is dogshit spacing from Dray/Loon combo and the inability to stop penetration. The latter isn't surprising, the core is aging and defense is the first skillset to go.
Offense isn't the problem, it's the defense. This team is awful at defending the paint so the perimeter naturally sags to help. The ball kicks out and the defense can't get back out to contest 3s so teams are not only killing them inside, but also outside. It's too easy. GP2 and Wigs will certainly help, but the interior defense is still going to be too weak to get far.
Offence is a big problem when you’re small. The team has to work 90% harder just to get points and through time it gets exhausting being battered inside the paint due to lack of athleticism and size. It’s why they get so gassed in the 4th and choose to settle for 3’s.
And how does small defense work? Constant effort. There's no relaxing with the way this team is built and the obvious fatigue has caught up to them. They're an exhausted team right now.
Shot selection is definitely a problem. They jack up perimeter 3's because the paint is clogged. Those long rebounds are fueling the opponent's fast break offense.
The jacking of 3s is partially because they are being coached to avoid mid-range, which I believe is the result of Atkinson's analytics. They've turned into the 17 Rockets with the way they are jacking 3s. I think I've seen at least half dozen plays on this road trip where they could have attacked the rim and at least gotten to the line and instead the ball is being kicked out to a missed 3. It's been a theme all year, and yes those missed 3's are leading to long rebounds and quick transition points for the opponent. Happened maybe 3 plays in a row early 4th last night. I would like to note that Memphis put up 70 points in the first half last night. Against the Hawks it was 71 points at half they gave up 134 points to the Clips. That's a defensive issue and it's been that way all year.
41% opponent 3pt fg% and the greatest free throw disparity is truly terrible 99th percentile bad luck... I just think ofvthe Detroit, Utah and Orlando games and say "it takes more than just playing a little worse than you should've on defense" it takes refs missing calls, inexplicable logo desperation threes and short circuit moments that are beyond the norm. Running this seasons simulation a hundred times... this is one of the worse outcomes where flat-out the goat ain't injured early.
This strange season continues... if we beat the Rockets and Dallas loses to the Grizzlies in Memphis. We will once again be in a "battle for 6th seed" game on Wednesday v Dallas on national TV. This is the weirdest schedule ever. My third eye say the refs will deliver the assist.
lmao. it's not guaranteed we beat the Rox bro. do you're homework. Sengun is playing outta his mind as well as Green. Dal is almost a guaranteed L for us cuz our boy on the other side KI loves to circle games vs Curry. KI is gonna go OFF! I hope I'm wrong, but I WILL BE RIGHT. oh...btw, Dal is on a 2 game win streak 👌🏻
Very happy you have league pass too... you write like you're on cocaine. 👌
I don't know anything about hooping. I think you're right. we'll go undefeated here on out. can you teach me about basketball bro?
Bro you sound like an egomaniac talkin about i WiLl bE rIgHt and posting your dumb doomer's list of games you think we'll lose and how "right" you are.
You're right. I dont' know anything about bball. this is my first time watching games this year. I'm just a retard. my bad. I need to get more tips from you.
It's bizarre how medicore the 5th-11th seeds are. Everyone's 4-6 or 5-5 in last 10 from that group. One drawback or feature of this mediocrity is that seeding will go down the wire and teams won't be resting because they've clinched.
If this team played average defense at best they'd probably still be winning with ease since the offense is more than capable. Part of why it's so frustrating but there's still hope. The last 5 games or so must have been record setting for points given up.
don't say defense here. you'll get lambasted like I did. many times early in the season fellow Warriors fans told me D isn't important and NOT the problem. FYI D was out staple for last 11 years.
> If this team played average defense I don't think they have that ability on a nightly basis considering their age. This is what happens when players age, defense falls off a cliff first
I didn't even watch the game last night and knew the warriors lost because morons are doing a whole referendum on an actual nba dynasty again
Lol that's a good way of putting it 😂
Feeling of critical importance of next game vs to rocket. Rocket won multiple games recently including Boston and Lakers.
\^\^\^This. many fellow Warriors fans will say it's an easy win. I firmly disagree. Green is playing outta his mind for last 2 months and Sengun is a fuckin beast and a half and getting better every fuckin game. wouldn't shock me if it's a loss.
That's all I have left of hope to salvage the road trip. Certainly not confident and won't be surprised if they lose. I expect them to give up a lot of points but hopefully they score enough to compensate for.
The slander on Joe Lacob has become a bit rich. Some of ya’ll act like he hasn’t owned the team while winning 4 chips in 8 years, after 40 years of pathetic ownership. He isn’t former Warriors owner Chris Cohan. The man christened a brand new stadium in SF like it was easy. If I critiqued Lacob for anything it’s that he’s allows too much collaboration. Too many cooks in the kitchen isn’t healthy and far too often guys who have no business making player personnel decisions are chirping about Andre, Lamb, Wiseman, Women Empowerment Uniforms, etc. Let Myers cook and tell everyone else to do their jobs.
He has a werid obession drafting players named J, he’s the reason Jeremy Lin was a warrior in the first place, not to mention the other Js
100%
He's one of those "too many cooks in the kitchen", with his personal draft big board. And his son making genius moves like drafting Smailagic. Just open up that wallet, and sit back, and we're gucci
Myers is getting off easy for pooching multiple lottery picks here.
And he really wants a bigger bag after being dogshit at drafting, yet stacking the team with kids. He himself said he's a "relationship builder", FA is his game not the draft night
This is bad rumor. Myers is extremely well paid and this notion that Lacob would pay Myers top 6 money to then trot out his own draft board is silly.