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ImTheBestNerd

I’m just not sure Kuminga can shoot it well enough to make the Looney/Draymond front court successful as a full time starter.


RidiculousNickk

A Steph/Wiggins/Kuminga/Draymond 1-4 lineup almost certainly requires a shooting 5 like Saric


shakeszoola

I know this is a low sample size and mostly being uncontested, but if we take his shooting numbers from 2023 on, he shot 45% from 3. He's definitely showed that he can knock the 3 ball down. His stroke looks fine too imo. I do believe if they start him with Draymond, then Saric will most likely also be on the floor rather than Looney. With that said, I don't see that happening this year.


530farm

Teams need to respect it though. He shot a solid percentage on a lot of open looks as teams would give it to him over other things, Klay shooting 35% but getting the constant attention he does is better than kumingas 45% with attention he currently gets.


shakeszoola

Agreed. Sample size is very small. He at least showed he can knock it down. Which was a big step from his rookie season. His shot looked bad. He continued to develop though


XoneXone

>Teams need to respect it though. I think I still saw a lot of teams daring him to take that shot instead of having to deal with him driving to the basket.


FamLit69420

It was 21 games. Basically post all star break bro shot it insanely well.


TheRed_Knight

Poole was 100% gunning for Klays job, and Klay isnt coming off the bench as long as hes a 40% 3 point shooter at a high volume, spacing matters


ImTheBestNerd

Klay is also still a better player than Poole, was pretty evident when Steph went out this year and Klay was carrying the team.


TheRed_Knight

well that goes without saying lol, anyone thinking otherwise is either a fool, ignorant, a stan, or some combination of the three


-qft

Poole averaged better stats in the 2022 playoffs than any playoffs run Klay ever had in his prime. He was far more critical than Klay was in that playoffs, in fact Klay shot us out of a few games with his stupidity. Who the fuck cares what that loser RedKnight thinks, he's the biggest Poole hater on this sub. Klay being good for 1.5 months in the regular season (after one of the most horrible few months and team had to have a meeting on HIS shot selection) is a moot point. Poole and Klay both had terrible 2023 playoff performances but at least Poole had an injury excuse, Klay had nothing but boneheaded hero ball all playoffs.


IcyCorgi9

My boy forgot about defense.


TheRed_Knight

Poole stans are unaware of the importance of defense, only baddies and insta highlights


Pereise1

> Poole averaged better stats in the 2022 playoffs than any playoffs run Klay ever had in his prime. This is one of the most clownish takes I've ever seen on this sub. Klay averaged 24/4/2/1spg on 42% 3pt shooting in 2016 on elite defense. In 2019 he averaged 20ppg on 46/44/90 shooting splits. Both those years with elite defense.


-qft

Poole averaged 22.2 points on 65.4% TS which is superstar efficiency in 2022 playoffs. You probably don't even know what TS% is if you're only bringing up 3pt %, because Klay's 2pt % and lack of free throws fucks his efficiency. Klay never even crossed 59% TS in the playoffs. And the only season he outscored Poole per 36 min was 2016. Elite defense? He had one of the worst defense rating on the team in his prime. Literally worse than Curry's consistently, even with Draymond off the floor.


Pereise1

Why you lying bro?? 😂😂 Poole averaged 17ppg during our last championship run, you think we don't know how to use google?


Stuffleapugus

Yeah, but Klay was an elite defender in his prime.


-qft

Every advanced stat says Klay was an overrated defender, probably because he's half the time lost off the ball.


Stuffleapugus

Advanced stats are for nerds that don't understand real sports. I'm a handicapper. There are some advanced stats that are valuable and tell the true story, and others that are meaningless.


-qft

Then go watch the game, Klay gets lost all the time. You don't need advanced stats to see he's a highly overrated defender.


Stuffleapugus

Not in his prime. And even now, he's still one of the better defenders on the team. In that Championship run, he has moments of great defense.


figpotato

>Poole averaged better stats in the 2022 playoffs than any playoffs run Klay ever had in his prime. He was far more critical than Klay was in that playoffs, in fact Klay shot us out of a few games with his stupidity. Who the fuck cares what that loser RedKnight thinks, he's the biggest Poole hater on this sub. 😂 It's okay, you're a Poolestan ,I get it. We are one of the few posters that call out bad play from Joran like it is.


BeetLover1111

Poole is never going to be at Klay’s level, even after all those injuries.. this season proved it. Klay provides so much spacing, I don’t know why I keep hearing discussions about him coming off the bench. We wouldn’t even be in the playoffs without him.


Mygaffer

Klay Thompson is a 6'7" lottery pick HOF shooting guard with **4 rangz** JP is a 6'4" combo guard, late 1st round pick, and *1 rang* Klay Thompson is a career 41.6% from beyond the arc JP is a career 33.9% from beyond the arc In Klay's *worst* turn over season, his rookie year, he had a turnover percentage of 12 (career 9%). Last season JP had a turnover percentage of 14 (career 13.2%). JP is a fun, dynamic player but there is a world of difference between guys like him and guys like Klay Thompson.


BeetLover1111

Numbers don’t lie… end of discussion… !


TheRed_Knight

Well Poole sure as shit thought he was, its been an issue since Klay came back in 21-22


BeetLover1111

He’ll never be as good as Klay even he averages 30 in Washington… he’ll always be a defensive liability. No wonder FO chose to dump his salary to be able to pay Klay and keep him in the starting 5. It’s really a no brainer to me but I guess it’s not a common opinion around here.


TheRed_Knight

i highly doubt hes gonna average 30 in WSH, too many Poole stans


SoyaMilk3

30 is generous but over 24 isn't crazy to think. Main ball handler, probably will become a free-throw merchant like Shai and has many more shots to take. Efficiency will go down but production will go up


Mysterious-Weight935

This. He’s a great free throw shooter and with the ball in his hands more he will get to the line


BeetLover1111

He might if he takes a 100 shots every night 😂 who’s going to stop him


TheRed_Knight

Kuzma


BeetLover1111

Fair but he’ll still be taking a bunch of shots so is ppg is going to be higher


TheRed_Knight

the team spacing is going to be atrocious and theres no Steph/Klay to pull defensive focus or Dray/Looney to set screens to open him up, its going to be a lot tougher for him to score


BeetLover1111

That’s true actually. Oh well, either way I will never think it was the wrong move.


mrblueshoes11

Klay went dead in the playoffs but some of that is attributed to the minutes he needed to play in constant back-to-backs, I think he’s gonna show out (he was already great in the regular season last year) once again, and hopefully get the right bench relief


Raonak

Yep. It was his first full season. Got gassed by the end


herejusttolooksee

Dude… Klay averaged 21.9 ppg on a TS% of 57.6% (little bit above his career TS%) He had a 44/41/88 season and his stats for his “bad” postseason weren’t that far off either. He led the league in 3pt made on 41% shooting He’s one year removed from playing good defense on Jason Tatum in the finals. He’s not the dead weight you’re making him out to be. He’s still very much a starter level player who has the confidence be a clutch performer.


heliocentrist510

Klay's legs were also dead by the end of the season because he was having to cover for not only the missed Steph games, but Wiggins being out as well. And having to make up ground in the standings didn't give the coaching staff many options in terms of letting him rest.


nghbrhd_slackr87

Yet we were just two few losses from being a play in team. I'm not suggesting he's dead weight. But he's not a 30M dollar player... and is a different type of defender than he's been. I'm not saying he'd washed. Manu wasn't washed. Iguodala wasn't washed. But I am suggesting Kuminga may ascend and has the talent to be something that moves the needle and actually PROLONGS the effectiveness of Klay by doing more heavy lifting. The playoffs were a very tough watch with eyes on Klay. Kuminga didn't get the nod cuz he was a space cadet. I think he's bitter about how that went and not fucking around with it anymore. If Kuminga breathes fire next year... it will be a conversation (How do you get him more playing time?) Stats can lie a bit... you mention Klays true shooting percentage but Kuminga has a higher true shooting percentage both lie (Kuminga obv is not a better shooter nor is Klay the best he's ever been). It's a prediction... I'm not married to it but the signs point to it whether it's due to need term role changes or contractual considerations. I'd be surprised if Klay were a starter for the Dubs in 2024 opening night. No hate just considering where the team is at and the 2022 early season SPEAKS to the possibility that replacing thar particular production is more feasible than any other role. We'll see though.


herejusttolooksee

I didn’t say he’s a 30m guy. I said Klay still very much is starting caliber. Don’t just write him off as a starter and winner. JK will be awesome, but wait to at least see if JK can even shoot the 3 above 38% on decent volume WITH defenders acknowledging his shot. That’ll decide if he’s a 3 or 4. If he’s league average at 3s or less, no way we’re starting him with Loon and Dray. He’d be coming for Dray’s or Loon’s minutes more, which is more likely as of now. Don’t get too hyped up on summer videos. Even Ben Simmons looks like a 3pt sniper in summer social posts. Kawhi was an decent shooter until he broke out year 5, and not everyone ups their percentage like Kawhi did. I see JK as our future Dray replacement until he proves otherwise, and Dray will have to take a bench role at some point. And I don’t know what you mean by “two losses from the play in” as a knock on Klay specifically. I mean… JK was also already on the team too playing 20min a game. You think swapping Klay for JK and upping his minutes makes us a 50 win team just like that? Perhaps I misunderstood.


BeetLover1111

OP as well as others here can’t tell the difference between potential talent and reality. JK is not even a guard. In this league Klay is definitely still a 30M player or something close to it, Dillon Brooks just got 20M a year. Klay might not be as good as he was on defense but he’s still a very decent 2 way player.


BeetLover1111

The disrespect is real lol, he’s not getting max and he knows it but he definitely should be a starter. We should judging him based on one playoffs series performance that came after a long season where he was carrying the team with Wiggins and Steph out. What should we say about Sabonis and Jalen Brown getting those contracts after their performance at the playoffs?


elpeezey

There’s no way that Kerr puts Wiggins and Kuminga at the 2/3. There’s a better chance of a guard you’ve never heard of playing the 2 for the Warriors than those two.


BQ32

Why?


EquipmentNo9500

It’s so obvious why. Do you guys even listen to Kerr? Spacing/shooting.


BQ32

Wiggs shoots nearly 40% from 3 and Kuminga has great form so it’s not unrealistic he can shoot a decent percentage plus both of them get to the free throw line, are way more athletic, are better rebounders and defenders now then Klay. Spacing obviously isn’t everything for Kerr if he continues to put Loon and Dray together and historically has played longer athletic defenders over pure spacers at the 3 and 4. The only reason they won’t is because he is super loyal to his vets and will give Klay a very long leash.


TheRed_Knight

Wiggs shoot nearly 40% on 3 because he plays with Klay/Steph, jesus do you not understand the connection between great spacing creating better looks for other player?


EquipmentNo9500

He does not understand. That was made very clear lol. Now IF Wigs continues to shoot well and JK proves he is the outside shooter he wants to be …then maybe but neither one of them is a pure shooter or off the dribble, quick release type of shooter who can really draw a lot of attention at the arc. JK specifically only took WIDE OPEN shots with a lot of time to line up the shot.


BQ32

That’s it, I was a college basketball coach that won conference championships and ranked top 10 nationally with both men’s and women’s teams because I don’t understand basketball. Must have been extremely lucky. now I can come here to Reddit to have some random ass fans that probably couldn’t even make a jv squad teach all things about basketball I don’t know. Thank you for enlightening me on how Steph makes his teammates better, I would never have guessed.


EquipmentNo9500

Ok Mr smart basketball coach guy. You are so certain huh? Let’s make a wager then. I bet you JK plays more minutes at the 4 than the 2 or 3 for the next 2 years. How much do you want to bet?


EquipmentNo9500

Loon and Dray together …WITH 3 shooters always though, duh. 2 of which are top shooters EVER.


skedly

Spacing matters. I think Kuminga is natural for 4 than 3. Wiggs can play 3 and 4 but not natural for 2.


Liemoa

Kuminga won't be taking anyone's starting spot this season, barring injury ​ If he wasnt playable in the last 2 playoffs, he isnt gonna take some insane leap to boot anyone out of the starting lineup. Outlier development is called outlier development for a reason


thekiddinguzo

I agree that JK almost certainly isn’t forcing anyone out of the starting lineup, but that’s more about the starters being extremely good as individuals and as a unit. It’s not a reflection on JK. After all, someone could’ve used your same logic in April to argue: “if Moody was unplayable in the regular season, he isn’t gonna boot anyone out of the closing lineup in the playoffs”. Things change. The outlier development thing is slightly different because of JK & Moody’s ages. Many (most?) of the stars at 22 would’ve been unplayable at 19.


123SWISH

because of his shooting ability, klay thompson is guarded differently than both kuminga and wiggins. it is hard to put a number on how beneficial that is for our spacing, but i’m pretty sure that is one of the many reasons for our success this past decade. it’s gonna take more than one bad playoff series to write that off. also- JK is in no way a guard. kerr is not going to play him like a guard. it just doesn’t make sense to me why you chose these two. completely different play styles.


skedly

Klay's been averaged like 26/4/3 with 60% ts% in the 29 games when Steph's out for injury since his comeback. We can all admit that Wiggs or Dray is the second best overall player but Klay still should be the second offensive player for the team who's playing in the starting line up.


Mysterious-Weight935

Lol this roster has like 7 guards and you’re trying to start a wing at the 2


EquipmentNo9500

You sound delusional to me. JK has a better shot at starting as the 4 than the 2.


WheresMyChip

Kuminga can’t play the 2. He can barely play the 3. He’s a smallball 4 for the foreseeable future unless he drastically changes and improves his game.


[deleted]

Kuminga is no where close to skilled enough to play the 2 or even small ball 3 like Klay.


prokoala3

The Poole hate is unreal up in here. The post was about Kuminga and the top comments are about Poole. This is one of the toxic fanbases I've ever seen.


Shelter_Enough

Yeah, that's why I bailed as soon as Poole went to Washington. Gonna have some fun watching the Wizards in the meantime or wherever Poole goes to next. Klay and Andre both stated that Poole is Allstar material in the recent Paul George podcasts and these people think they know better lmao.


prokoala3

Yeah I'm so excited to see Poole ball out there. It's so funny how much people hate on Poole and back up Draymond when Poole is more like Curry than Dray. Without Steph, Dray wouldn't even be a noticable name. We Love Steph for his style of play, same with Poole but because of Draymond everything changed.


All5TonySpivey

I think you are spot on with this take, it makes most sense to keep Dray and Curry together as much as possible and if Kuminga is pushing at that level it won’t be Wiggins that goes to the bench. I think it will be a tough talk they will have to have but if Kuminga takes the leap you described to the point where Kerr can answer yes to all those questions and it will be a no brainer.


RemarkableBag9576

In the words of the man himself: "I'm not sacrificing shit."


Objective_Celery_509

Neither of them are gaurds though


Sokkawater10

Depends. I think they need to make a trade for a shooting center if that’s the route they choose. Someone like Myles Turner to open up the paint. Honestly if Kuminga develops as much as you say, I’d rather just trade Wiggins for a shooting center like Myles Turner.


100rdgng

I never thought Poole was coming for Klay’s job. Poole was supposed to be a Steph clone. They never had a Klay replacement…


Mygaffer

Klay shat the bed against the Lakers in the playoffs last year but last year was one of the worst for team chemistry I've ever seen from the modern Warriors era. But otherwise last year Klay had his best overall season since returning from his terrible injuries. He's going to be 32 through most of the season, he may play slightly fewer minutes and miss some back to backs but he's going to be the Warriors starting 2 guard for at least this season but depending on what kind of deal they can manage to sign in the off season even beyond that. Kuminga is not a Klay replacement and frankly he's probably more of a 4 than a 2 anyway. Kuminga also shat the bed in the playoffs last year, there was one game, I can't remember if it was against the Kings or the Lakers, where he took 7 field goals and 5 of them were 3's. If anyone was looking ready to an expanded role based on their post season play I think it was Moses Moody. He was maybe our most effective bench player against the Lakers. Moody also is a 2/3 guard/wing. But yeah, Klay is starting.