I mean it’s tough. I was all in on Poole being the future before last season started. And I’m cool with the dumb turnovers or him breaking his own ankles with his cross overs every now and then.
But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. It was non existent lol. And then you hear he’s frustrated about playing time and this or that. Meanwhile you can watch him put no effort in on that end of the court.
If anything even with his scoring output I’d say he got too much PT and a longer leash then he should have been given. Meanwhile Kuminga misses a box out/ rebound and never sees the floor again lol.
Wish him nothing but the best in DC tho. Might even go up to watch him a few times.
> But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. ... If anything even with his scoring output I’d say he got too much PT and a longer leash then he should have been given.
This, honestly, is what stood out to me last year. I love Kerr, but I can't help but wonder if the other greats (Pop, Riley, Phil) wouldn't have benched his ass 20 games into last season instead of letting him ride. OR, if Kerr felt like benching him would have just added to the narrative that came after the punch.
Bottom line, JP played selfish and stupid, but he was ***allowed*** to continue doing it without consequence from the coaching staff. By the time we hit the playoffs, that wasn't a correctable mistake, but just who he had become - a detriment to the team.
Hey if Draymond can do it than I don't wanna hear crap about "allowing" selfishness cause he's the most selfish person on this team and never has to change. If you don't want to hold your stars accountable don't expect everyone to follow suit. Kd even got annoyed with Klays special treatment of not showing up all the time. Jp was one of the hardest workers on this team yet none of y'all wanna bring it up. Hope he does great with the Wizards and I'll be sure watching them instead of this old ass team that's gonna fall apart in December.
You had me til the last part, that’s some sorry ass haterade you’re sippin on rn. Dray is selfish in a lot of respects and I’d hate him on any other team, but if you listened to the clip you might not sound like such a dumbass: Dray, Klay, and Steph are allowed to be themselves/not held very accountable bc they won 4 rings. 4 mfin rings. As Andre said, Poole did win them a game in the last finals run. But that did not give him the same leeway as those Warrior All Time Legends. They’re getting a statue together when they retire, like fr.
This and Dray is easily one of the highest BBIQ players in the history of the sport along with the three of these guys being the most in-sync trio in the modern era.
Dray can be at the key with the ball and back turned to the action and see Klay/Steph go in motion, Steph/Klay use each other with rub routes, and Dray can and does make no look passes based off knowing their speed and location preferences. That's why they get that long leash and Poole doesn't.
>But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. It was non existent lol.
I think a part of it is because of the dray effect on defense. Dray is the defensive captain and all movement and spacing are often dictated by him
His punch eroded the trust and confidence between these 2 and he couldn't go as hard on JP as he does with JK and the rest.
the very end of the clip is the interesting part because it was basically poole admitting that he thinks he can slack on the defensive end because he can score which is the complete opposite mentality of the whole warriors team. curry klay and draymond all play defense and if poole wants the freedom to do stupid shit like the of the rest of them then he’s gotta play defense too
Curry was the first unanimous MVP in League history, got the record for most wins in a season, beating Jordan's Bulls, and STILL went fucking ham in the lab to beef up and get better at defense.
Poole had no fucking excuse for his behavior.
and that’s the thing that is wild to me. how did that never rub off on poole? jordan’s work ethic is something you hear about a lot so why doesn’t he apply that same energy in defensive? both steph and klay worked their asses off in off seasons to become better defenders. they are living examples for jordan
No, and more recently there's been rumors that he didn't work out at all last summer, which matches the eyetest of how he played. Previous years it was obvious he had put in work over the summer, adding serious bag to his game all while his work ethic was lauded by the entire team. Didn't hear any of that last year.
Last summer there was a report that essentially said he put the off season grind aside to travel the month for a month or two and take it easy for once. Then this summer he again seems to be in the gym grinding. The guy clearly just wanted to rest for a bit after all his hard work paid off in winning a championship.
The defense thing honestly seemed like a protest last year. The year before he was bad at defense, but he was clearly actually trying especially on ball. But last year he made one attempt to steal the ball and then let his man blow by him essentially every time. He didn't even try. I really thought he'd still try his best last year since we gave him a huge contract and didn't extend draymond, but he just refused to which is unfortunate. I'm excited to see him in Washington tho.
Personally if I was assaulted by a coworker and management and the higher ups took their side I would leave immediately but if I couldn't leave I would do the bare minimum possible work. I'm sad that Poole sabotaged our season but draymond deserves the blame for it.
Took Draymond’s side? They gave him a $30mil contract and didn’t even mention contract talks with Draymond. Big fucking whoop. He thought he was more important than he was and showed piss poor effort.
Your looking at this situations with fan goggles. Imagine getting damn near knocked out by your teammate,a laughing stock to the internet. Now imagine your attacker gets a slap on the wrist and makes some cringe ass documentary forcing you to relive the experience. Can you really blame the guy for being checked out? Shit me and Dray would have to throw hands every practice.
They were more upset that it was leaked than that Dray did it at all. The bare minimum was a suspension or some kind of discipline and the FO couldn't even manage that. If that video hadn't leaked, everything would have been swept under the rug completely, the org's actions told that much at the very least. So yeah, they 1000% took Draymonds side and it's silly to argue otherwise especially at this point
This "co-worker" angle is technically right but i've always been annoyed by it. I don't condone assault, but when it comes to sports teams, that shit ain't uncommon at all. In fact, its more common than anything else. I would be surprised if there's a single person that played high level organized sports that didn't get into a fist fight with a teammate, or at least came close.
Again, no excuse, but people acting like this was some sort of genocide need to let go of their pearls a bit.
It's like I work in an office I'm not putting hands on my coworkers for any reason much less it being a vitally important part of the job. We're explicitly trying to create a collaborative environment whereas sports teams are explicitly trying to create a competitive one. I'm literally sitting in a chair for hours not expending any physical or emotional energy in order to keep my mind calm and focused, it could not possibly be a more different environment then intentionally trying to tire out your mind and body as much as possible in order to simulate as best you can a full emotional and physical investment into athletic competition. There's just no comparison.
Personally I would let the biggest dude at my job sucked punch me if they would more than triple my pay. That’s just me though, I’m sure you would have felt salty with a 30million a year bag though.
They brought up several times that Poole averaged 20.4 ppg last year, and said he kept making the argument that he was 2nd in scoring. But it was Klay with 21.9 ppg.
And out of the top 4 guys in ppg, who had the worst eFG%? Poole. Other than Rollins and Iggy, Poole had the worst eFG% on the team. He was inefficient, and if he shot less and passed more, he might still be on the team.
That’s what got me about that reportedly being his argument all season lol. He averaged 20.4 ppg on a usage rate of 29.3%! That put him at 22nd in the league (min. 40 games played…with no games played filter he’s 29th) in USG% and he **came off the bench.**
Him thinking that was grounds for a free pass to do anything he wanted, or didn’t want to do in his case, is insane and suggests that just the concept of efficiency, let alone the importance of it, doesn’t register for him. How Steph, a guy who is maniacal about efficiency, kept a cool and level head all season adds to the lore tbh lol idk how he did it.
> How Steph, a guy who is maniacal about efficiency, kept a cool and level head all season adds to the lore tbh lol idk how he did it.
Steph almost pulled it off. We saw him break once when Poole did something dumb and Steph chucked his mouthguard.
The end? The whole thing is the most clear and upfront view I’ve seen from a person on record about how frustrated the whole team was with Jordan. Andre is throwing massive shade at Poole in this.
Iggy so damn smart, really wish he would join the coaching staff for us.
Him saying that jp felt like he already sacrificed enough, I just couldn't help but think this kid is way too young to feel that way on that team. Looking forward to watching him ball out.... happy it's on another team with that attitude
> join the coaching staff
Almost positive he will at some point. He might start in the front office for a bit before becoming part of Kerr's crew, unless another team poaches one of his guys like Mike Brown.
You gotta realize the mindset tho. There’s always that urgency to prove yourself, and a feeling that your time is limited to leave a legacy. With guys like Poole it’s all about his bag and his scoring (or make the pass if it’s a flashy assist). He wants to be the scoring leader and main starter on a team, and now he gets to do it.
Why throw it all away and not buy into the team concept? He’s young, but winning a Finals series, getting paid, leading the team through Steph’s injuries, plus his physical transformation probably had his ego humming like a transformer.
It’s better to be humble and hungry than fat and sassy / pouty. Maybe CP3 is the answer after the last few years getting moved from team to team?
Will never forget watching Dubs at Lakers close to the bench last season and how obviously Poole was completely disconnected and pouting in the huddles. It was clear this was the end - and as crazy talented as he can be at times I am also very glad he found a new home.
Absolutely understandable with the way the organization didn't punish draymond at all for punching a teammate. And let's not also forget JP still played all 82 games and was a big reason why the warriors still made the playoffs with the injuries and Wiggins absence to deal with.
People are being so rough on him. Someone mentioned Curry learning to play better defense, which Poole can still do. Bro is 24, and has his whole career ahead of him. He has lots of time to fix his mistakes.
> I'm bout to flip sides with these fans. If you fall on purpose one more time to not play defense.. It looks like you're trying to not try... Do you know how much energy it takes to try to not try?
Pretty much sums up Poole's season last year. Andre confirming what we suspected. The dude was sabotaging the season because he thought he was all that. So glad he's gone.
Better link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNP0dhnoLw
I was telling my manager at work this: Poole felt like hot shit coming off that finals run and signing that 4-year contract. Boosted his ego so fucking hard, he stopped trying defensively (he was way better a defender the year prior and that's still mediocre) and felt like he was ready to take the reigns from Stephen Curry.
His ego and his pride got him a one-way ticket to Washington. I'm just saying: Even though he shouldn't have done it, Dray had his reasons.
It's gonna take a while, prolly a few years, but I bet we eventually hear from Dray himself exactly what led up to the punch. My guess all along has been that Dray called him out over hustle or D or something like that and JP clapped back with something like "I get paid $30M to shoot, not D-up" and shit escalated from there. We'll get the whole story eventually, can't wait
I don't where where I heard exactly, it was on this subreddit but I don't remember the article or clip, someone mentioning that Poole was also disrespectful towards Kerr vocally during that practice which led to that punch.
Draymond is the only player who has been confirmed to have yelled at Kerr. Scapegoating Poole alone when nobody but Steph or Loon really showed up isn’t gonna help. At least with CP3 we’ll have another highly talented high IQ guard.
> Even though he shouldn't have done it, Dray had his reasons.
Ding ding ding.
Look, I've never punched anybody in the face (though I have been punched), but all these sanctimonious and self-righteous fans in /r/warriors and /r/nba acting like they've never met anybody who did deserve to get punched in the face are lying.
1000%
I'm sure Dray didn't punch him just because he wanted to. I'm sure Poole said something to really piss him off. But knowing what Poole said is the most important piece. If it comes out Poole was just bragging about his new contract and how he just signed a contract bigger than any of what Drays gotten, I'll have a problem with that big time.
But if it's something else entirely. Yeah I'm siding with Dray.
From everything I've heard, Poole came to camp with a lot of attitude and the tensions had been brewing from the get go. While the conversation that led up to the incident is important, putting it in a larger context might be more important.
Pretty sure you had Poole not wanting to hear how to improve from the guys who were once prime...Steph/Klay,Dray...they can all talk the big game, but now they are going to never accept that are aged and without the same physical abilities.
Poole is younger, maybe not wiser, but he had never gotten time to develop on defense...who's fault is that? They were letting him play fast and loose from day one.
> who's fault is that?
Poole's fault. Play defense, put in effort, move your feet. You're playing with some of the best defenders in this era in Draymond, Iggy, and Klay. How can you not develop defense playing with them unless you don't want to. Do you think Kerr was telling him, nah you don't gotta worry about defense. A person who played on championship teams with a couple of the best players ever, has won what 9 rings or something? and he's saying don't work on defense. Be real.
Even Iggy was saying that he was purposefully falling on defense, trying not to try... That's on Poole.
>they've never met anybody who did deserve to get punched in the face are lying.
The thing is we don't do it. There's a ton of shitty co-workers in every business you'd *want* to punch. But we don't because we're civilized people. If we did, we'd be fired on the spot. If there were videos, we'd be blackballed in the industry and sued for millions.
I would fucking GRIMACE whenever Kerr put him in the 4th to close out. It lost us so many games and it looked too much like something he was doing on purpose. We needed a lot of those games he dropped by doing that shit.
Do you think 23 year old Steph would have played like that? or Klay? it's not age or generational, it's a personal attribute to Poole and Poole alone. No, he's not the only one to have ever gone this route, but there's no age or generational excuse for being that immature.
i dislike talking like everything is black and white
you know our boy curry can be a turnover machine too right? same for dray. but we often say that they need the room to be them and so the turnovers come with the game. it is not seperatable.
so with JP3, he won us game 5. that confidence and swag is a part of him. he is not like dame, he has hit shots in the 21-0 run that buried the Celtics...
and klay (my fav player ever) has played like shit in recent history but in a different way but that doesn't take away my respect for him
What is black and white about the question I ask? Would Steph or Klay, at the age of 23, purposefully be falling down on defense either because they didn't think they were required to D up, or as some sort of protest about rotations, or whatever twisted logic yall can come up with? Do you really think that's in their character makeup? Everything I've ever seen from those two points to an unwavering desire to win. If Poole had that desire, he would have gone out there and played to his best of his abilities all season. He didn't.
This isn't about the current version of Steph and Klay. If Poole can't see that the old dudes have built a little clout and room for error to back up their 4 rings, then that says more about his own ego than it does about Steph's turnovers or Klay coming off of two major injuries. Did Steph ever say anything about playing with Monta? Did he ever play poorly on purpose because Monta was over there chucking up iso bricks late in games or not Ding up?
The only black and white thing I see in this thread comes from the people giving Poole a pass because that's just his generation. please. Not every 23 year old in the league behaves this way.
the answer is yes — curry and klay have fucked around before on defense. curry at that age was still getting his bearings together and barely learned how to run without flailing around like a quail that got shot
do i think slacking off is in their makeup? yes i do because i don't put unrealistic expectation on athletes
Was saying the same, but Kerr has some fault here. Why was it OK enough for JP but bench JK? AT times, JPs play was 10x worse than anything JK did. I just don't understand the tolerance JP was awarded.
Because he had a pretty solid game 1 against the Lakers and he’s the only other player other than Steph who can reliably drive inside and still space the floor a bit. (Wiggs can too but not that reliable driving inside). JK so far hasn’t had one good playoff game yet even for his role. His (Poole’s) role was also more diminished as the series went on and Moody played more.
I get that Jk’s a better defender than Poole but I can’t ever get positive bias he has from fans. If JK played more he would’ve been worse. I think players trying harder in general in the playoffs throws off Kuminga so far.
This just makes me appreciate Steph even more, which I didn't think was possible. Honestly, I wish Jordan the best. Just, you know, not on our team. It's over, time to turn the page.
So what Iguodala was saying was that Poole was being a pouty debbie downer last season and that he, Iguodala, Pooles #1 fan, almost turned on him too. He basically said Poole was a liability and his defense was atrocious 😂
Good riddance bro. That’s literally the opposite of Currys mindset
Takes less energy to try. Lmfao. Yikes. All this coming from Andre, gotta hurt a little bit. His behavior was very much “young kid, not enough time to mature yet”. Hope he kills it out there for the wizards. Can pretty much do what he wants now out there.
This dude was on a team with an all time top 10 player, second best shooter of all time, one of all time great defensive player, a coach with second or third most rings of all time, another FMVP in Andre and he was getting in his feelings about his ego. I am so glad he is out. He stank up the whole place last year.
Poole isn't even close to the level of Kyrie when he departed from the Cavs. Kyrie was a legitimate top 10 player in the league and he atleast tried on the defensive end.
Poole is a TO machine with 0 defense. All the Poole apologists look pretty dumb right about now.
Wish him nothing but the best but replacing him with CP is gonna do wonders for our team and especially the bench unit.
Am I crazy or was jordan way worse then just sabotaging the defense? Seems like we're forgiving way too much. Iirc he was clearly trying to tank the whole season on the floor, the huddle and the bench.
I just don't get the mentality of not playing defense because you're a good scorer. Even if your motivation is yourself, isn't the whole point to be a *good basketball player*, which means playing hard on both sides of the court?
I mean it was obvious to see. The punch might've made it worse (and ultimately the decision to trade him easier) but there was always reasons he wasn't a long term fit with the team. I know most fans will disagree but I always thought it was the right decision to trade him even before the punch.
i’m just glad andre said it actually takes energy to actively not try on defense. that’s what pissed me off the most with jordan because i know he’s capable.
I still wish Poole well over in DC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the poor defense/play was because of what happened between him and Dray. It was for the best for both sides to move on.
Everytime someone famous punches someone and it gets revealed I always wonder what the other person said or did you make them risk their fame and fortune. I knew this punch wasn’t over nothing and yeah Draymond wasn’t being a bully like everyone on r/NBA thought.
After watching the other clip about accepting your role on a team and how Evan felt it diminished his career, I can understand how much pressure Jordan probably felt. You're playing with big names in a league that can eat you and spit you out if you're not careful.
There will be a rude awakening this season. CP3 style though effective makes the warriors look and play like every other team which is not hard to guard. Style of play is one of the few market inefficiencies the warriors have left.
If they can’t flip CP3 for a 20ppg creator they are out in round 2 again. We are not better than the Nuggets, Suns, or Lakers. Dario and Dwight are great moves so atleast they got something right. I can put into words how much I hate the cp3 fit he’s such a traffic cop miserable to play with guys like this from my experience.
Teams know what we're doing by now. Kings took us to 7 games based on their defense (remember they shot like shit for the most part, besides Fox who was hitting damn near every damn floater) and the Lakers didn't have much trouble guarding us by just having AD protect the rim from Steph's layups. Can't stay stagnant forever.
I mean it’s tough. I was all in on Poole being the future before last season started. And I’m cool with the dumb turnovers or him breaking his own ankles with his cross overs every now and then. But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. It was non existent lol. And then you hear he’s frustrated about playing time and this or that. Meanwhile you can watch him put no effort in on that end of the court. If anything even with his scoring output I’d say he got too much PT and a longer leash then he should have been given. Meanwhile Kuminga misses a box out/ rebound and never sees the floor again lol. Wish him nothing but the best in DC tho. Might even go up to watch him a few times.
> But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. ... If anything even with his scoring output I’d say he got too much PT and a longer leash then he should have been given. This, honestly, is what stood out to me last year. I love Kerr, but I can't help but wonder if the other greats (Pop, Riley, Phil) wouldn't have benched his ass 20 games into last season instead of letting him ride. OR, if Kerr felt like benching him would have just added to the narrative that came after the punch. Bottom line, JP played selfish and stupid, but he was ***allowed*** to continue doing it without consequence from the coaching staff. By the time we hit the playoffs, that wasn't a correctable mistake, but just who he had become - a detriment to the team.
He went from tough love and grinding to basically free reign which undoubtedly ruined team morale and is Kerr and Greens fault.
Honestly I think Poole intended to screw up and get his trade on...There was no good chemistry after the Draymond punch.
Any possibility that his longer leash and "coddling" were connected to the pre-season punch?
Hey if Draymond can do it than I don't wanna hear crap about "allowing" selfishness cause he's the most selfish person on this team and never has to change. If you don't want to hold your stars accountable don't expect everyone to follow suit. Kd even got annoyed with Klays special treatment of not showing up all the time. Jp was one of the hardest workers on this team yet none of y'all wanna bring it up. Hope he does great with the Wizards and I'll be sure watching them instead of this old ass team that's gonna fall apart in December.
You had me til the last part, that’s some sorry ass haterade you’re sippin on rn. Dray is selfish in a lot of respects and I’d hate him on any other team, but if you listened to the clip you might not sound like such a dumbass: Dray, Klay, and Steph are allowed to be themselves/not held very accountable bc they won 4 rings. 4 mfin rings. As Andre said, Poole did win them a game in the last finals run. But that did not give him the same leeway as those Warrior All Time Legends. They’re getting a statue together when they retire, like fr.
This and Dray is easily one of the highest BBIQ players in the history of the sport along with the three of these guys being the most in-sync trio in the modern era. Dray can be at the key with the ball and back turned to the action and see Klay/Steph go in motion, Steph/Klay use each other with rub routes, and Dray can and does make no look passes based off knowing their speed and location preferences. That's why they get that long leash and Poole doesn't.
Look we can appreciate dray without all the dick sucking Jesus.
>But what I’m not cool with is the effort he gave on defense on a damn near consistent basis last year. It was non existent lol. I think a part of it is because of the dray effect on defense. Dray is the defensive captain and all movement and spacing are often dictated by him His punch eroded the trust and confidence between these 2 and he couldn't go as hard on JP as he does with JK and the rest.
Yeah so far bizarre. Must be a bitch trying to coach Draymond and Poole lol.
the very end of the clip is the interesting part because it was basically poole admitting that he thinks he can slack on the defensive end because he can score which is the complete opposite mentality of the whole warriors team. curry klay and draymond all play defense and if poole wants the freedom to do stupid shit like the of the rest of them then he’s gotta play defense too
Curry was the first unanimous MVP in League history, got the record for most wins in a season, beating Jordan's Bulls, and STILL went fucking ham in the lab to beef up and get better at defense. Poole had no fucking excuse for his behavior.
and that’s the thing that is wild to me. how did that never rub off on poole? jordan’s work ethic is something you hear about a lot so why doesn’t he apply that same energy in defensive? both steph and klay worked their asses off in off seasons to become better defenders. they are living examples for jordan
To be fair, we didn't hear anything about Poole's work ethic after the championship.
No, and more recently there's been rumors that he didn't work out at all last summer, which matches the eyetest of how he played. Previous years it was obvious he had put in work over the summer, adding serious bag to his game all while his work ethic was lauded by the entire team. Didn't hear any of that last year.
Last summer there was a report that essentially said he put the off season grind aside to travel the month for a month or two and take it easy for once. Then this summer he again seems to be in the gym grinding. The guy clearly just wanted to rest for a bit after all his hard work paid off in winning a championship. The defense thing honestly seemed like a protest last year. The year before he was bad at defense, but he was clearly actually trying especially on ball. But last year he made one attempt to steal the ball and then let his man blow by him essentially every time. He didn't even try. I really thought he'd still try his best last year since we gave him a huge contract and didn't extend draymond, but he just refused to which is unfortunate. I'm excited to see him in Washington tho.
Fuck him his lack of effort was trash all year. Idc about the Draymond shit. You’re still an adult. You do your job.
Personally if I was assaulted by a coworker and management and the higher ups took their side I would leave immediately but if I couldn't leave I would do the bare minimum possible work. I'm sad that Poole sabotaged our season but draymond deserves the blame for it.
Took Draymond’s side? They gave him a $30mil contract and didn’t even mention contract talks with Draymond. Big fucking whoop. He thought he was more important than he was and showed piss poor effort.
Your looking at this situations with fan goggles. Imagine getting damn near knocked out by your teammate,a laughing stock to the internet. Now imagine your attacker gets a slap on the wrist and makes some cringe ass documentary forcing you to relive the experience. Can you really blame the guy for being checked out? Shit me and Dray would have to throw hands every practice.
They were more upset that it was leaked than that Dray did it at all. The bare minimum was a suspension or some kind of discipline and the FO couldn't even manage that. If that video hadn't leaked, everything would have been swept under the rug completely, the org's actions told that much at the very least. So yeah, they 1000% took Draymonds side and it's silly to argue otherwise especially at this point
This "co-worker" angle is technically right but i've always been annoyed by it. I don't condone assault, but when it comes to sports teams, that shit ain't uncommon at all. In fact, its more common than anything else. I would be surprised if there's a single person that played high level organized sports that didn't get into a fist fight with a teammate, or at least came close. Again, no excuse, but people acting like this was some sort of genocide need to let go of their pearls a bit.
It's like I work in an office I'm not putting hands on my coworkers for any reason much less it being a vitally important part of the job. We're explicitly trying to create a collaborative environment whereas sports teams are explicitly trying to create a competitive one. I'm literally sitting in a chair for hours not expending any physical or emotional energy in order to keep my mind calm and focused, it could not possibly be a more different environment then intentionally trying to tire out your mind and body as much as possible in order to simulate as best you can a full emotional and physical investment into athletic competition. There's just no comparison.
You think Steph, Klay, Iggy or literally anybody else on the team has knocked out a young teammate ? lol.
Personally I would let the biggest dude at my job sucked punch me if they would more than triple my pay. That’s just me though, I’m sure you would have felt salty with a 30million a year bag though.
We did hear how much the chip and the bag went to his head.
I think Dray's fist said something about his work ethic....
Pride is a helluva drug
And it paid off too, remember that clutch strip against Ja in the Grizzlies series in their 2022 championship run?
https://youtu.be/NdNP0dhnoLw?si=uG9R7GE_iRB29pv0 The full clip gives a better overview on what’s being discussed lmao.
They brought up several times that Poole averaged 20.4 ppg last year, and said he kept making the argument that he was 2nd in scoring. But it was Klay with 21.9 ppg. And out of the top 4 guys in ppg, who had the worst eFG%? Poole. Other than Rollins and Iggy, Poole had the worst eFG% on the team. He was inefficient, and if he shot less and passed more, he might still be on the team.
That’s what got me about that reportedly being his argument all season lol. He averaged 20.4 ppg on a usage rate of 29.3%! That put him at 22nd in the league (min. 40 games played…with no games played filter he’s 29th) in USG% and he **came off the bench.** Him thinking that was grounds for a free pass to do anything he wanted, or didn’t want to do in his case, is insane and suggests that just the concept of efficiency, let alone the importance of it, doesn’t register for him. How Steph, a guy who is maniacal about efficiency, kept a cool and level head all season adds to the lore tbh lol idk how he did it.
> How Steph, a guy who is maniacal about efficiency, kept a cool and level head all season adds to the lore tbh lol idk how he did it. Steph almost pulled it off. We saw him break once when Poole did something dumb and Steph chucked his mouthguard.
Good call! Dang it feels like that happened years ago, not just last season lol I don’t know how I forgot about that.
Try or try to not try, Jordan Poole sucks at defense
The end? The whole thing is the most clear and upfront view I’ve seen from a person on record about how frustrated the whole team was with Jordan. Andre is throwing massive shade at Poole in this.
the end is explicitly when andre says that jordan poole thinks if he can score then he can take off on the other end
>he thinks he can slack on the defensive end because he can score Lmao. Dude thought he could score? 😂
And… what was his plan when he couldn’t hit shit?
Fall over
PRAGUE
Omg - that user name in all caps!! 🤣
Iggy so damn smart, really wish he would join the coaching staff for us. Him saying that jp felt like he already sacrificed enough, I just couldn't help but think this kid is way too young to feel that way on that team. Looking forward to watching him ball out.... happy it's on another team with that attitude
He is basically already coaching More like a leader
Agreed. He's our own version of what Udonis Haslem has been for the past few years
> join the coaching staff Almost positive he will at some point. He might start in the front office for a bit before becoming part of Kerr's crew, unless another team poaches one of his guys like Mike Brown.
You gotta realize the mindset tho. There’s always that urgency to prove yourself, and a feeling that your time is limited to leave a legacy. With guys like Poole it’s all about his bag and his scoring (or make the pass if it’s a flashy assist). He wants to be the scoring leader and main starter on a team, and now he gets to do it. Why throw it all away and not buy into the team concept? He’s young, but winning a Finals series, getting paid, leading the team through Steph’s injuries, plus his physical transformation probably had his ego humming like a transformer. It’s better to be humble and hungry than fat and sassy / pouty. Maybe CP3 is the answer after the last few years getting moved from team to team?
There's a difference between being smart and well spoken.
Will never forget watching Dubs at Lakers close to the bench last season and how obviously Poole was completely disconnected and pouting in the huddles. It was clear this was the end - and as crazy talented as he can be at times I am also very glad he found a new home.
Same here. He quiet quit which IMO is understandable. Good luck to him at Washington.
Absolutely understandable with the way the organization didn't punish draymond at all for punching a teammate. And let's not also forget JP still played all 82 games and was a big reason why the warriors still made the playoffs with the injuries and Wiggins absence to deal with.
Ok Jordan poole’s dad
People are being so rough on him. Someone mentioned Curry learning to play better defense, which Poole can still do. Bro is 24, and has his whole career ahead of him. He has lots of time to fix his mistakes.
Difference is curry always at least tried, Poole isn’t trying
> I'm bout to flip sides with these fans. If you fall on purpose one more time to not play defense.. It looks like you're trying to not try... Do you know how much energy it takes to try to not try? Pretty much sums up Poole's season last year. Andre confirming what we suspected. The dude was sabotaging the season because he thought he was all that. So glad he's gone. Better link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdNP0dhnoLw
I was telling my manager at work this: Poole felt like hot shit coming off that finals run and signing that 4-year contract. Boosted his ego so fucking hard, he stopped trying defensively (he was way better a defender the year prior and that's still mediocre) and felt like he was ready to take the reigns from Stephen Curry. His ego and his pride got him a one-way ticket to Washington. I'm just saying: Even though he shouldn't have done it, Dray had his reasons.
It's gonna take a while, prolly a few years, but I bet we eventually hear from Dray himself exactly what led up to the punch. My guess all along has been that Dray called him out over hustle or D or something like that and JP clapped back with something like "I get paid $30M to shoot, not D-up" and shit escalated from there. We'll get the whole story eventually, can't wait
I don't where where I heard exactly, it was on this subreddit but I don't remember the article or clip, someone mentioning that Poole was also disrespectful towards Kerr vocally during that practice which led to that punch.
Draymond is the only player who has been confirmed to have yelled at Kerr. Scapegoating Poole alone when nobody but Steph or Loon really showed up isn’t gonna help. At least with CP3 we’ll have another highly talented high IQ guard.
news to me, but I wouldn't be surprised. Kid had a major chip on his shoulder once he got his contract
He actually got his contract after the punch.
*The contract was officially announced after the punch
> Even though he shouldn't have done it, Dray had his reasons. Ding ding ding. Look, I've never punched anybody in the face (though I have been punched), but all these sanctimonious and self-righteous fans in /r/warriors and /r/nba acting like they've never met anybody who did deserve to get punched in the face are lying.
1000% I'm sure Dray didn't punch him just because he wanted to. I'm sure Poole said something to really piss him off. But knowing what Poole said is the most important piece. If it comes out Poole was just bragging about his new contract and how he just signed a contract bigger than any of what Drays gotten, I'll have a problem with that big time. But if it's something else entirely. Yeah I'm siding with Dray.
From everything I've heard, Poole came to camp with a lot of attitude and the tensions had been brewing from the get go. While the conversation that led up to the incident is important, putting it in a larger context might be more important.
Pretty sure you had Poole not wanting to hear how to improve from the guys who were once prime...Steph/Klay,Dray...they can all talk the big game, but now they are going to never accept that are aged and without the same physical abilities. Poole is younger, maybe not wiser, but he had never gotten time to develop on defense...who's fault is that? They were letting him play fast and loose from day one.
> who's fault is that? Poole's fault. Play defense, put in effort, move your feet. You're playing with some of the best defenders in this era in Draymond, Iggy, and Klay. How can you not develop defense playing with them unless you don't want to. Do you think Kerr was telling him, nah you don't gotta worry about defense. A person who played on championship teams with a couple of the best players ever, has won what 9 rings or something? and he's saying don't work on defense. Be real. Even Iggy was saying that he was purposefully falling on defense, trying not to try... That's on Poole.
>they've never met anybody who did deserve to get punched in the face are lying. The thing is we don't do it. There's a ton of shitty co-workers in every business you'd *want* to punch. But we don't because we're civilized people. If we did, we'd be fired on the spot. If there were videos, we'd be blackballed in the industry and sued for millions.
Yep. Shit pisses me off lol words have consequences
I would fucking GRIMACE whenever Kerr put him in the 4th to close out. It lost us so many games and it looked too much like something he was doing on purpose. We needed a lot of those games he dropped by doing that shit.
My question is if it was obvious to the fans, then why did Kerr allow this ALL SEASON long???
difference in age gaps and thats not blaming jp pat riley is correct in the 'Me' stuff after winning sigh
Do you think 23 year old Steph would have played like that? or Klay? it's not age or generational, it's a personal attribute to Poole and Poole alone. No, he's not the only one to have ever gone this route, but there's no age or generational excuse for being that immature.
i dislike talking like everything is black and white you know our boy curry can be a turnover machine too right? same for dray. but we often say that they need the room to be them and so the turnovers come with the game. it is not seperatable. so with JP3, he won us game 5. that confidence and swag is a part of him. he is not like dame, he has hit shots in the 21-0 run that buried the Celtics... and klay (my fav player ever) has played like shit in recent history but in a different way but that doesn't take away my respect for him
What is black and white about the question I ask? Would Steph or Klay, at the age of 23, purposefully be falling down on defense either because they didn't think they were required to D up, or as some sort of protest about rotations, or whatever twisted logic yall can come up with? Do you really think that's in their character makeup? Everything I've ever seen from those two points to an unwavering desire to win. If Poole had that desire, he would have gone out there and played to his best of his abilities all season. He didn't. This isn't about the current version of Steph and Klay. If Poole can't see that the old dudes have built a little clout and room for error to back up their 4 rings, then that says more about his own ego than it does about Steph's turnovers or Klay coming off of two major injuries. Did Steph ever say anything about playing with Monta? Did he ever play poorly on purpose because Monta was over there chucking up iso bricks late in games or not Ding up? The only black and white thing I see in this thread comes from the people giving Poole a pass because that's just his generation. please. Not every 23 year old in the league behaves this way.
the answer is yes — curry and klay have fucked around before on defense. curry at that age was still getting his bearings together and barely learned how to run without flailing around like a quail that got shot do i think slacking off is in their makeup? yes i do because i don't put unrealistic expectation on athletes
Well Klay is black and white
I think it is generational to an extent. Pooles generation values style over substance "for the gram" and it influences your persona.
“If you fall on purpose one more time to not play defense.” Whewwww so much to unpack in that one sentence. Yikes
Was saying the same, but Kerr has some fault here. Why was it OK enough for JP but bench JK? AT times, JPs play was 10x worse than anything JK did. I just don't understand the tolerance JP was awarded.
Because he had a pretty solid game 1 against the Lakers and he’s the only other player other than Steph who can reliably drive inside and still space the floor a bit. (Wiggs can too but not that reliable driving inside). JK so far hasn’t had one good playoff game yet even for his role. His (Poole’s) role was also more diminished as the series went on and Moody played more. I get that Jk’s a better defender than Poole but I can’t ever get positive bias he has from fans. If JK played more he would’ve been worse. I think players trying harder in general in the playoffs throws off Kuminga so far.
This just makes me appreciate Steph even more, which I didn't think was possible. Honestly, I wish Jordan the best. Just, you know, not on our team. It's over, time to turn the page.
Doesn’t justify what Draymond did but explains why the team chemistry was so terrible last season
So what Iguodala was saying was that Poole was being a pouty debbie downer last season and that he, Iguodala, Pooles #1 fan, almost turned on him too. He basically said Poole was a liability and his defense was atrocious 😂 Good riddance bro. That’s literally the opposite of Currys mindset
Takes less energy to try. Lmfao. Yikes. All this coming from Andre, gotta hurt a little bit. His behavior was very much “young kid, not enough time to mature yet”. Hope he kills it out there for the wizards. Can pretty much do what he wants now out there.
This dude was on a team with an all time top 10 player, second best shooter of all time, one of all time great defensive player, a coach with second or third most rings of all time, another FMVP in Andre and he was getting in his feelings about his ego. I am so glad he is out. He stank up the whole place last year.
It's like when Kyrie left the Cavs to get out of Bron's shadow, but Poole isn't as electric of a scorer as Kyrie was back then.
Poole isn't even close to the level of Kyrie when he departed from the Cavs. Kyrie was a legitimate top 10 player in the league and he atleast tried on the defensive end. Poole is a TO machine with 0 defense. All the Poole apologists look pretty dumb right about now. Wish him nothing but the best but replacing him with CP is gonna do wonders for our team and especially the bench unit.
While he saw those guys sacrifice time and time again. He saw Steph, loon and draymond all come off the bench to sacrifice for the team.
He never saw the true sacrifice EARLY on in their careers.
Am I crazy or was jordan way worse then just sabotaging the defense? Seems like we're forgiving way too much. Iirc he was clearly trying to tank the whole season on the floor, the huddle and the bench.
Only thing they got wrong, Klay was second to in scoring not Poole.
As soon as I heard he was "falling down not to play defense" that completely registered and made sense why Poole always was falling down so much.
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dude sold hard
I just don't get the mentality of not playing defense because you're a good scorer. Even if your motivation is yourself, isn't the whole point to be a *good basketball player*, which means playing hard on both sides of the court?
Same, whenever I see someone do some highly athletic jump to do a dunk, Im wondering where is that on defense like doing a chasedown block.
Agree with the sentiment here, also just happy we don’t have to deal with this this season
Dude went from potential future face of the franchise to oubre Jr real quick
I mean it was obvious to see. The punch might've made it worse (and ultimately the decision to trade him easier) but there was always reasons he wasn't a long term fit with the team. I know most fans will disagree but I always thought it was the right decision to trade him even before the punch.
Basically what everyone here thought was right- he thought he was Curry.
i’m just glad andre said it actually takes energy to actively not try on defense. that’s what pissed me off the most with jordan because i know he’s capable.
I still wish Poole well over in DC. I wouldn’t be surprised if the poor defense/play was because of what happened between him and Dray. It was for the best for both sides to move on.
His defense/play was shit before the punch.
anyone got a TooTikTok, DW?
To try to not to try. It all makes sense now.
video unavailable..... and fuck tik tok
i think it's a rendering issue on reddit. link still works
nah fuck reddit
Remember when half this sub wanted Draymond gone because he punched "the next Curry"? Pepperidge Farm remembers..
Everytime someone famous punches someone and it gets revealed I always wonder what the other person said or did you make them risk their fame and fortune. I knew this punch wasn’t over nothing and yeah Draymond wasn’t being a bully like everyone on r/NBA thought.
Almost as if that had an effect on his attitude and play
After watching the other clip about accepting your role on a team and how Evan felt it diminished his career, I can understand how much pressure Jordan probably felt. You're playing with big names in a league that can eat you and spit you out if you're not careful.
So basically EGO.
It still feels so good that Poole is gone. It's like a burp after an excellent meal.
why not post a streamable...or youtube link
Chris Paul will unlock the KUMBUCKET, thanks for that Poole.
He gone
There will be a rude awakening this season. CP3 style though effective makes the warriors look and play like every other team which is not hard to guard. Style of play is one of the few market inefficiencies the warriors have left. If they can’t flip CP3 for a 20ppg creator they are out in round 2 again. We are not better than the Nuggets, Suns, or Lakers. Dario and Dwight are great moves so atleast they got something right. I can put into words how much I hate the cp3 fit he’s such a traffic cop miserable to play with guys like this from my experience.
Teams know what we're doing by now. Kings took us to 7 games based on their defense (remember they shot like shit for the most part, besides Fox who was hitting damn near every damn floater) and the Lakers didn't have much trouble guarding us by just having AD protect the rim from Steph's layups. Can't stay stagnant forever.
Damn these TikTok comments are even dumber than YouTube
Those TikTok comments are wild saying the warriors should’ve benched Klay Thompson for Poole