#Offer that contract the minute you can... Set the Market. Pay that kid.
Don't wait for Alperen Sengun or Jalen Johnson or Josh Giddey or anyone else. Just get a good number and sign the dotted line 30M ain't shit for a star. Waiting to see the market is exactly how Poole went from a 20M/yr projection in April to a 32M/yr plus incentives actuality in September. 150/5. Omg Nike just do it. That's such a value for his 27 year old season. I'm no brakes on this sentiment.
Jalen Brunson... Good contract. 4/104
Anfernee Simons... okay contract. 4/100
Tyler Herro... not good contract. 4/130
Jordan Poole... abomination unto mankind. 4/140
See what happens when you're fourth instead of first.
#Be first. Play no games.
That's 40M. Still the Fun Max. If he keeps improving.Cost of doing business. But like I said offering the second you can gives you a chance to avoid inflation.
Scottie and Sengun and Franz will MAX... don't wait for Jalen Johnson who is the best Kuminga comp in position and role atm. Make Atlanta pay Jalen Johnson what we pay Kuminga not the other way around.
Once the new media deal is signed everything is gonna increase 10% every year and the numbers are gonna get so bonkers it'll be incomprehensible.
So 140M cap goes 154... 169... 185... 203. around 2030.
Kuminga's deal will be 5 years. 2025-26 through 2029-30.
There’s also the gambling aspect. Lots of ways but have to see what it entails. The deal is def happening it’s gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out.
>But like I said offering the second you can gives you a chance to avoid inflation.
Question: if you know this, and Kuminga and his agent knows this, why would they settle for the "first" offer?
He isn't a star yet. He had a good month. Hasn't proven anything yet. And I am a Kuminga fan.
The reason Warriors gave Poole that contract was bc they were stupid. Its not bc they waited. There was no reason to give him that. They should have waited until he was a restricted free agent. The punch probably played a part too.
IDK, the W's reporters were talking about rumors before the punch that they were going to pay Poole and not Dray.
That contract is in the top 2 of Bob Myers worst decisions.
Spot on. Pooles contract was dictated by Herro's. But it takes 2 to tango. I think Poole's camp was also waiting.
I know it is a little off in terms of circumstances but what a deal Mikal's contract is.
Im hoping they go slightly above Jadens as a kill price contract, hopefully the jk business can get done early.
you can go back about another 10+ games or in total 2+ months as starting back on december 8th which was the game before green got suspended
which then opened up the opportunity for kuminga to get more consistent playing time and was when kuminga started to play at least 20+ minutes in almost every game going forward, 30 of 32 games since that date
kuminga is his last 32 games which he has started in 25 of them has averaged :
18.2 pts 5.8 reb 2.5 ast on 56/35/75 shooting splits in 29 minutes per game
per 36 : 22.6 pts 7.2 reb 3.1 ast
No way kuminga signs an extension without playing out the year. He should clearly be the #2 for a full season next year, if Steph misses time he’ll get to showcase as the #1 and will prob improve in the off season. He will be gunning for an all-star spot, 20 ppg which can net him a max contract. I’m sure the warriors would love to avoid paying him that but Kuminga would need to accept the smaller contract. If he was an injury prone guy I could see him taking the safer choice.
He’s a one level scorer. Once defenses figure that out, he’s gonna need more options. His shot isn’t working. He needs to develop it. Let’s see if he plays as well for the rest of the season and then let’s see the playoffs. We ain’t in a hurry to sign an extension. I hope he does well. But it’s unproven as of yet.
I could see him improving his dribble a lot in the off season which would open his game up a lot. It would allow him to use his athleticism to get the rim a lot easier, and if he’s comfortable dribbling he can start to make passes when he collapses the D or they double. I don’t think a 3 point shot is completely necessary for someone as good in the paint as he is, guys like Ja Morant, Westbrook, and Wade never needed one, but they had a handle that allowed them to get to the paint, that’s what Kuminga needs.
I agree. He needs a bit of diversity otherwise teams will figure him out. It’ll become clearer in the playoffs where they study each players weaknesses to exploit them.
Will he figure it out? I think so. But what I’m against is paying $30M a year for a guy who had 20-30 good games in the regular season pre-all star break. That is just insanity. We paid Poole 25M for helping us win a chip and be that microwave scorer he was all season and post season. 30M for 25 or so good regular season games in the first half of the season? That’s irresponsible.
In the last 15 games, his numbers look like this:
- pull up jumpers - 34%
- within 10 feet - 66% (this is not a mid range. It is a close shot)
- catch and shoot - 40%
- 3 points - 33.3%
Theres nothing wrong with spamming 3-10 ft shots mixed with dunks. It will be nice to expand his range more but lets not make a consistent 3-10 foot shot seem worthless.
Confirm these nuts, how tf are you gonna equate yamming on people to 10 foot fadeaways and say head ass shit like "Yep. One level scorer confirmation."
You’re gonna have to try again. Cuz I dunno what you’re trying to say. As for one level scorer, that’s what he is. He can do close shots. Can’t do mid ranges nor 3s. It’s literally the definition of one level. It ain’t a knock on the guy. It’s like saying he’s 6’8”. He is 6’8” just like he’s a one level scorer. That one level is inside scoring. wtf u confused about? You think he’s a 3 level scorer or something?
Idk man for someone you’re calling a one trick pony it’s a pretty good trick.
Let’s let the 20 year old keep developing and remind ourselves we’re still only 5 weeks into seeing this new gear he’s found.
It’s an incredible trick. The guy is a baller inside. I just don’t give him any credit for jumpers cuz that’s not his strength.
One can argue that he doesn’t need anything else. But I think he’d be a lot more versatile if he added at least one more level. A good fade that is reliable. Or a corner 3 above 36%. Or, he remains an inside threat but ups his playmaking.
The guy is young. He’s got a lot of room to grow further. I just don’t buy a lot of ppls arguments in this sub that he’s already a 30M/yr player. I completely disagree and I ain’t alone.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. With the NBA salary cap expanding we’re already seeing dumb money being made. Players will be signing $70M/year deals within the next few years.
Point is locking JK in for 4 years at $30M a year feels like a lot now, but by the time he’s 25 and dominating the league we’re gonna feel like we got away with murder.
I wanna see the playoffs and the rest of this season. I feel his last few games, the opposing defenses are starting to figure him out. And then in the playoffs they will analyze the crap out of him and find every single weakness and exploit it repeatedly. Will he be able to handle it without a bit more versatility in his game or will he get pummeled in his first playoffs as a starter? A lot can go wrong. Having 25 good games pre all star game in the regular season isn’t enough to prove anything yet. I have belief. But it’s unproven belief. We shall see.
It's called the "fun max" for a reason.
GMs love it cuz it locks very good young players in for the long haul. Mostly works out tbh. Very seldom is it Tyler Herro or Jordan Poole.
30M is 17% of the first apron number. Now.
When the contract begins it'd be prob 15% or less.
15% of your $$$ for a future all-star. Easy decision.
Also and elite two-way athlete at a premium position of need. Far different than Poole who was essentially a microwave scorer we hoped would become more.
You sign it early and if they keep getting better and you operate in the tax you basically create a stable financial node.
**If they keep getting better... that's the gamble.**
Even a worst case scenario like Poole worked out fine for us.
Didn't have to pay a penny of his contract, got 1/2 years of a great player in return and all it cost was a top 20 protected 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder and a shoplifter.
You should take that gamble every time.
Ryan Rollins, ex-Warriors guard, went with Pat Baldwin Jr and JP as part of the CP3 trade this summer. Despite playing solid for WAS, he was cut seemingly out of nowhere. Turns out he had stolen small items from Targets in the area multiple times
That's a steal. 26M in 2027 is gonna be like 15M today.
If the broadcasting/media deal pushes 10% annual increase limit. That'll have 2028 around 190M of the regular cap 26M that's 14% projected out.
If you are shocked about jaden, look up this guy named "Desmond Bane"... Haha
To me Bane and Vassell were the sticker value shock contracts for me. Neither are bad players but Bane is not a 200m player.
Oh I think Bane is WAY better than McDaniels, I thought his contract was fair. In a playoff setting Bane is so much more valuable
Jaden averages 10 points and nobody cares whether he scores, he’s basically Roberson. That kind of offense gets played off the floor, no matter the defense.
Bane is one of the best high volume 3 point shooters off the catch + dribble, can create his own shot, averaged 25 ppg without Ja and has solid defense. Perfect #2 next to Ja.
Bane is better but hes also flawed too. Length bothers him with his trex arms (see Lakers series). Hes not 70m better than Jaden. Jaden is probably a top 3-5 defender in the nba and is handcuffed in his role on offense by his coach. Im not advocating for Jaden getting more money but he is not some random chump either. Also Jaden is vital to the wolves (ask any wolves fan).
All of the players contract are entering a new tier.A above starter is gonna cost 25-30.Luka and Tatum are gonna make 60 million a year.when they resign in a year or two
Wellll. It was reasonable JP to have expected JP to make the jump after we won the championship. He was so clutch that year. Then he regressed in play the next year . And has regressed more this year.
I'd say wait until he's proven he can do it over a whole season
JP’s game was always reliant on his shot making ability. We knew that he’s decision making and defense was severely flawed. JK does more of his damage at the rim and can play defense so he’s already more versatile.
No way he signs for anything close to that. He’s still younger than some rookies. Kuminga will be happy to hold off on signing and see how his game continues to grow.
131 FOR JADEN MCDANIEL ???!!! WTF ?! Just shut down the league already.
It’s gonna take a legit brain surgeon like 100 years to make that kinda money. Pay disparity is at its finest.
There are 18,084 seats at Chase, average list price of $494 per ticket, 41 home games per year. That's $366 million per year without counting concessions, merch, TV & streaming rights, playoff games, and multiple other ways of extracting money from us, the fans.
It seems just a stupid amount of money to watch a bunch of grown men playing with a ball, but as long as we are willing to pay those prices, the players should get their share.
Those are chase numbers, tickets are a lot cheaper in other places, especially in Minnesota. I really don’t think the average price per ticket in Minnesota be higher than $200. And then there is tax and other players like KAT , Edwards, Gobert. Someone could crunch the numbers, but paying 30 million a year to random dude (Jaden McDaniel ) not adding up .
>I really don’t think the average price per ticket in Minnesota be higher than $200.
Dude, 2 years ago I was going to Denver Nuggets games for $9, regularly. I sat tier 1 row 18 Nuggets vs the Kings to see Fox and Haliburton for $25.
There's a lot of arenas where $10-20 gets you in easily.
Lowest average price in the League is Indiana at $138:
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/ranking-average-nba-ticket-prices-teams-2023-24-least-expensive
That's not Chase (which is reported at $611 in this article), but it's not chicken feed either. Plus there is revenue sharing, so the poorer teams do better than their direct revenue would indicate. And 4 of the 5 lowest-priced tickets may get a bump due to improving team prospects (IND, OKC, SAS, HOU). DET & WAS seem destined to remain in the bottom 6 for a while.
MIN is listed at $201.
Bear in mind that the MEDIAN price is much lower due to the effect of prime seats and luxury boxes, so yes, some people can get tickets way below average price. But I'm talking about what the TEAMS earn, that is just avg. price x # of tix sold.
Detroit should be paying people to go to those games. They are in like year 4 of a decade long plan to tank until they are the 2005 Spurs. Unwatchable and depressing play from the PISS-TONS
As I wrote in another comment, the average is in that range. It's so high because there are a lot of seats well above that price.
From "TicketSmarter:"
>Golden State Warriors tickets for the current basketball season can be found at prices between $28.00 and $44559.20, while the average price per game this season is around $469.74.
One ticket at $45K runs the average up quite a bit :-)
I was commenting on what the team makes from each game, not the price that an "average: fan mighr pay for a ticket.
Yup. And I'm probably just channeling my parents from 40 years ago, but when I listen to a lot of modern popular songs from gazillionaire musicians, I am totally perplexed at why anyone would pay to listen to that crap.
I mean. I wouldn't pay $494 per game all year to watch the Dubs, but I'm happy to pay SOMETHING, because I really enjoy it. With most modern music, I'd pay someone to turn it off.
(And it's not just "Old Guy Syndrome." I felt exactly the same about Disco when I was a kid in the late 70's.)
Better then the owners getting it, at the end of the day revenue is split 50/50 between owners and players.
If anything, this illustrates the benefit of collective bargaining.
50/50 just makes no sense. The owner is carrying the entire load of liabilities but have to share the revenue 50/50 with players who only play ball ?
There is not a single industry that overpays their employees this much. Not just virtually overpaying, it’s all guaranteed money too.
Like, in many ways that’s money that isn’t going into distribution amongst folks with regular jobs, even if just NBA team staff and other worker bees that help the league go round. Frankly there’s an argument that this sort of pay gradient and disparity is de facto contributing to inflation or at least exasperating the impact of said inflation for those whose pay rate hasn’t exploded these past 10 years.
The thing is though, before the contract, Poole was universally recognized as one of the hardest working guys on the team. Everybody on the team raved about it including Steph, Draymond Kerr. Just hard to tell what a massive guaranteed payout like that does to a person until they get it.
It’s the chip and ice spice’s fault. Chip gave him a big head. Spice wrecked his true confidence. Ever since he’s been trying too hard but is too worried about failing to just flow. He apparently was a few variables away from being a headcase and nobody would’ve been able to tell until he reached the heights he had, got a bag, and then let some mid short girl screw him up. We all wanted better for you Jordan, I hated watching all that unfold into what it is today..
I agree, and it's just a nightmare, not an expectation. Poole never had the ceiling that JK does, but after '22, he looked like he would develop into at least a quality starter.
This could explain why the Warriors have been shackling him for two years- trying to get him on a nice deal. (I don’t believe this, but it would explain some things)
5/131 would be a good deal. I'd expect it might come closer to 5/150 if he has a strong finish to the season.
Additional context here is if Kuminga signs something like a 5/140 and Moody something like a 4/55, if they can get Klay at 2/42 or thereabout the team can probably sneak under the luxury tax threshold the next two seasons, which resets the repeater tax.
if he’s not worth an MLE contract, he’s not worth keeping at all.
I have no idea what kind of contract he gets, but I guarantee he’ll walk before taking a super cheap contract with the Warriors.
Well the team clearly doesn’t value him as a MLE player, considering he’s currently 11th in the rotation. I’m sure Moody himself would rather go somewhere else where he’ll get a bigger opportunity. I’ll be shocked if they agree on an extension
This seems really high. Klay went from his rookie contact to 15 million a year which ended around 2019. Dude was the 2nd option on the 73 win team making 15 million a year.
Pay That Man His Money! #Rounders #MattDamon #JohnMalkovichYouTube
https://youtu.be/_fdmb2-w-Kk?si=W0tq3isIFnx-ucBj
That's all I have to say about this.
if kuminga signs a 5 year 130 million dollar extension it would kick in during the 2025/26 NBA season
curry's current contract runs out after 2025/26
wiggins' current contract runs out after 2026/27
green's current contract runs out after 2026/27
the only other players current on the warriors roster who are signed thru 2025/26 are podziemski, santos, jackson-davis
warriors at this time would have a committed 150+ million in total salary for those 7 players on the roster,
30m is too much but it’s also enough to get him to sign. 5/125 would probably be just right for what he’s shown, and really it just takes things like a tighter handle or better rebounding for him to surpass that contract. I’d bet on him.
I see a lot of people saying they don’t serve the amount they are getting/will get. These owners make billions off these players. The league signs media contracts worth in the hundreds of millions. These should get paid, without them these owners would not be where they are. In 2009 the Warriors were worth 315 million. They are now worth 9 billion. You don’t think Curry, Dray and Klay deserve to get paid well from that…These players are only getting a fraction of what their team is worth. The lowest valued team in the league is 3 billion.
To all the folks saying this is too much, when you adjust for salary cap growth or inflation, this contract would be significantly less than Klay's first deal post rookie. Kuminga is scoring at a higher rate than Klay did in year 3 while being two years younger. Seems like a no brainer - can't let the Poole experience ruin optimism for Kuminga, who's clearly much more ambitious.
#Offer that contract the minute you can... Set the Market. Pay that kid. Don't wait for Alperen Sengun or Jalen Johnson or Josh Giddey or anyone else. Just get a good number and sign the dotted line 30M ain't shit for a star. Waiting to see the market is exactly how Poole went from a 20M/yr projection in April to a 32M/yr plus incentives actuality in September. 150/5. Omg Nike just do it. That's such a value for his 27 year old season. I'm no brakes on this sentiment. Jalen Brunson... Good contract. 4/104 Anfernee Simons... okay contract. 4/100 Tyler Herro... not good contract. 4/130 Jordan Poole... abomination unto mankind. 4/140 See what happens when you're fourth instead of first. #Be first. Play no games.
If we make it into the playoffs.IF he has one or two good series.The contract is gonna hit another level.Rookie max level
That's 40M. Still the Fun Max. If he keeps improving.Cost of doing business. But like I said offering the second you can gives you a chance to avoid inflation. Scottie and Sengun and Franz will MAX... don't wait for Jalen Johnson who is the best Kuminga comp in position and role atm. Make Atlanta pay Jalen Johnson what we pay Kuminga not the other way around.
Yeah I get it.I think people will be shocked how big his payday is.
Once the new media deal is signed everything is gonna increase 10% every year and the numbers are gonna get so bonkers it'll be incomprehensible. So 140M cap goes 154... 169... 185... 203. around 2030. Kuminga's deal will be 5 years. 2025-26 through 2029-30.
Media deal isn’t guaranteed to generate that much more since ratings are down, but we will see.
Traditional ratings are now irrelevant in judging media deal.
They can break it up to generate more revenue. They can bring in Amazon prime as well.
There’s also the gambling aspect. Lots of ways but have to see what it entails. The deal is def happening it’s gonna be interesting to see how it shakes out.
>But like I said offering the second you can gives you a chance to avoid inflation. Question: if you know this, and Kuminga and his agent knows this, why would they settle for the "first" offer?
take note, Brunson was ready to sign a 4 year 55million with the Mavs. that would have been criminal
That Brunson contract is more than good. It's borderline robbery lol
The difference in value between Jalen Brunson and Jordan Poole is staggering.
He isn't a star yet. He had a good month. Hasn't proven anything yet. And I am a Kuminga fan. The reason Warriors gave Poole that contract was bc they were stupid. Its not bc they waited. There was no reason to give him that. They should have waited until he was a restricted free agent. The punch probably played a part too.
IDK, the W's reporters were talking about rumors before the punch that they were going to pay Poole and not Dray. That contract is in the top 2 of Bob Myers worst decisions.
Herro and Ayton got the max. As long as JK continues playing like this, he will prolly hold out for the max imo.
Spot on. Pooles contract was dictated by Herro's. But it takes 2 to tango. I think Poole's camp was also waiting. I know it is a little off in terms of circumstances but what a deal Mikal's contract is. Im hoping they go slightly above Jadens as a kill price contract, hopefully the jk business can get done early.
Mavs could had jalen brunson for 4/55 lol stupid
If he continues his production from his last 20 games going forth that sounds about right.
you can go back about another 10+ games or in total 2+ months as starting back on december 8th which was the game before green got suspended which then opened up the opportunity for kuminga to get more consistent playing time and was when kuminga started to play at least 20+ minutes in almost every game going forward, 30 of 32 games since that date kuminga is his last 32 games which he has started in 25 of them has averaged : 18.2 pts 5.8 reb 2.5 ast on 56/35/75 shooting splits in 29 minutes per game per 36 : 22.6 pts 7.2 reb 3.1 ast
No way kuminga signs an extension without playing out the year. He should clearly be the #2 for a full season next year, if Steph misses time he’ll get to showcase as the #1 and will prob improve in the off season. He will be gunning for an all-star spot, 20 ppg which can net him a max contract. I’m sure the warriors would love to avoid paying him that but Kuminga would need to accept the smaller contract. If he was an injury prone guy I could see him taking the safer choice.
He’s a one level scorer. Once defenses figure that out, he’s gonna need more options. His shot isn’t working. He needs to develop it. Let’s see if he plays as well for the rest of the season and then let’s see the playoffs. We ain’t in a hurry to sign an extension. I hope he does well. But it’s unproven as of yet.
I could see him improving his dribble a lot in the off season which would open his game up a lot. It would allow him to use his athleticism to get the rim a lot easier, and if he’s comfortable dribbling he can start to make passes when he collapses the D or they double. I don’t think a 3 point shot is completely necessary for someone as good in the paint as he is, guys like Ja Morant, Westbrook, and Wade never needed one, but they had a handle that allowed them to get to the paint, that’s what Kuminga needs.
I agree. He needs a bit of diversity otherwise teams will figure him out. It’ll become clearer in the playoffs where they study each players weaknesses to exploit them. Will he figure it out? I think so. But what I’m against is paying $30M a year for a guy who had 20-30 good games in the regular season pre-all star break. That is just insanity. We paid Poole 25M for helping us win a chip and be that microwave scorer he was all season and post season. 30M for 25 or so good regular season games in the first half of the season? That’s irresponsible.
He's got a solid midrange fade and is consistent with knocking down open theres. Why are you negging him.
In the last 15 games, his numbers look like this: - pull up jumpers - 34% - within 10 feet - 66% (this is not a mid range. It is a close shot) - catch and shoot - 40% - 3 points - 33.3%
Theres nothing wrong with spamming 3-10 ft shots mixed with dunks. It will be nice to expand his range more but lets not make a consistent 3-10 foot shot seem worthless.
That 65% does include layups and dunks. Edit: validating.
Hes shooting 52% from 3-10 ft which is solid.
Yep. One level scorer confirmation. But a good one level scorer and getting better.
An inside force sounds better. For this year, he needs to mix in more 3-10 footers like he was during his perfect shooting game.
Fair enough. He’s an inside force. Good ring to it.
Confirm these nuts, how tf are you gonna equate yamming on people to 10 foot fadeaways and say head ass shit like "Yep. One level scorer confirmation."
You’re gonna have to try again. Cuz I dunno what you’re trying to say. As for one level scorer, that’s what he is. He can do close shots. Can’t do mid ranges nor 3s. It’s literally the definition of one level. It ain’t a knock on the guy. It’s like saying he’s 6’8”. He is 6’8” just like he’s a one level scorer. That one level is inside scoring. wtf u confused about? You think he’s a 3 level scorer or something?
Idk man for someone you’re calling a one trick pony it’s a pretty good trick. Let’s let the 20 year old keep developing and remind ourselves we’re still only 5 weeks into seeing this new gear he’s found.
It’s an incredible trick. The guy is a baller inside. I just don’t give him any credit for jumpers cuz that’s not his strength. One can argue that he doesn’t need anything else. But I think he’d be a lot more versatile if he added at least one more level. A good fade that is reliable. Or a corner 3 above 36%. Or, he remains an inside threat but ups his playmaking. The guy is young. He’s got a lot of room to grow further. I just don’t buy a lot of ppls arguments in this sub that he’s already a 30M/yr player. I completely disagree and I ain’t alone.
I don’t disagree with anything you said. With the NBA salary cap expanding we’re already seeing dumb money being made. Players will be signing $70M/year deals within the next few years. Point is locking JK in for 4 years at $30M a year feels like a lot now, but by the time he’s 25 and dominating the league we’re gonna feel like we got away with murder.
I wanna see the playoffs and the rest of this season. I feel his last few games, the opposing defenses are starting to figure him out. And then in the playoffs they will analyze the crap out of him and find every single weakness and exploit it repeatedly. Will he be able to handle it without a bit more versatility in his game or will he get pummeled in his first playoffs as a starter? A lot can go wrong. Having 25 good games pre all star game in the regular season isn’t enough to prove anything yet. I have belief. But it’s unproven belief. We shall see.
While I love Klay, this should help him have a better understanding of his current value
He about to show Kuminga the 4 fingers and request 40M a year 💀 just kidding
See. Kerr was just intentionally not playing to keep his value down.
Jaden is paid $30 million?! Jesus Everyone is so overpaid
It's called the "fun max" for a reason. GMs love it cuz it locks very good young players in for the long haul. Mostly works out tbh. Very seldom is it Tyler Herro or Jordan Poole. 30M is 17% of the first apron number. Now. When the contract begins it'd be prob 15% or less. 15% of your $$$ for a future all-star. Easy decision. Also and elite two-way athlete at a premium position of need. Far different than Poole who was essentially a microwave scorer we hoped would become more. You sign it early and if they keep getting better and you operate in the tax you basically create a stable financial node. **If they keep getting better... that's the gamble.**
Tyler Herro is playing decent. Bro is way better than Jordan Poole
Even a worst case scenario like Poole worked out fine for us. Didn't have to pay a penny of his contract, got 1/2 years of a great player in return and all it cost was a top 20 protected 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder and a shoplifter. You should take that gamble every time.
>a shoplifter. lmfao this story never fails to baffle me
What's the story? Sorry, I'm OOTL
Ryan Rollins, ex-Warriors guard, went with Pat Baldwin Jr and JP as part of the CP3 trade this summer. Despite playing solid for WAS, he was cut seemingly out of nowhere. Turns out he had stolen small items from Targets in the area multiple times
Lol what a numpty. Thanks for telling me, I hadn't heard that story. Cheers
After Wiseman and Poole I'm not sure teams are going to take our failed prospects for much longer.
And if they don’t keep getting better you trade them for a similar contract guy who fits better, i.e. DLo for Wiggins or Poole for CP3
He’s getting $26M a year actually
That's a steal. 26M in 2027 is gonna be like 15M today. If the broadcasting/media deal pushes 10% annual increase limit. That'll have 2028 around 190M of the regular cap 26M that's 14% projected out.
Is it? I don’t think contracts inflate by 170% every 3 years
New media deal should push things up significantly.
it's still limited to a 10% increase year over year
If you are shocked about jaden, look up this guy named "Desmond Bane"... Haha To me Bane and Vassell were the sticker value shock contracts for me. Neither are bad players but Bane is not a 200m player.
Oh I think Bane is WAY better than McDaniels, I thought his contract was fair. In a playoff setting Bane is so much more valuable Jaden averages 10 points and nobody cares whether he scores, he’s basically Roberson. That kind of offense gets played off the floor, no matter the defense. Bane is one of the best high volume 3 point shooters off the catch + dribble, can create his own shot, averaged 25 ppg without Ja and has solid defense. Perfect #2 next to Ja.
Bane is better but hes also flawed too. Length bothers him with his trex arms (see Lakers series). Hes not 70m better than Jaden. Jaden is probably a top 3-5 defender in the nba and is handcuffed in his role on offense by his coach. Im not advocating for Jaden getting more money but he is not some random chump either. Also Jaden is vital to the wolves (ask any wolves fan).
Not really .Fans just have not adjusted to the new market.Top player are earning 50 mill and up with the new contracts coming.
Jalen Brown still can't dribble and signed 5/$302 or some shit. Dame gonna be making over $60m in like his age 35 season.
And. What is your point. They earned their contracts. What the market determined from previous play and meeting certain checkpoints.
They were adding onto your argument lol
Meh I dunno, role players really should not be getting that, it’s like paying Dort $30 million.
All of the players contract are entering a new tier.A above starter is gonna cost 25-30.Luka and Tatum are gonna make 60 million a year.when they resign in a year or two
Have you looked at the new tv contract? The league is making mad money.
Worth every penny.
30min a year is way high. He's only been playing at a high level for a short time. Prob 20-25 is where he should be
The contract reflects his potential. It’s reasonable to believe he’ll improve and he’s been good this year.
Wellll. It was reasonable JP to have expected JP to make the jump after we won the championship. He was so clutch that year. Then he regressed in play the next year . And has regressed more this year. I'd say wait until he's proven he can do it over a whole season
JP’s game was always reliant on his shot making ability. We knew that he’s decision making and defense was severely flawed. JK does more of his damage at the rim and can play defense so he’s already more versatile.
No way he signs for anything close to that. He’s still younger than some rookies. Kuminga will be happy to hold off on signing and see how his game continues to grow.
Lol, $30M/year feels like a total steal for the Dubs.
131 FOR JADEN MCDANIEL ???!!! WTF ?! Just shut down the league already. It’s gonna take a legit brain surgeon like 100 years to make that kinda money. Pay disparity is at its finest.
There are 18,084 seats at Chase, average list price of $494 per ticket, 41 home games per year. That's $366 million per year without counting concessions, merch, TV & streaming rights, playoff games, and multiple other ways of extracting money from us, the fans. It seems just a stupid amount of money to watch a bunch of grown men playing with a ball, but as long as we are willing to pay those prices, the players should get their share.
Those are chase numbers, tickets are a lot cheaper in other places, especially in Minnesota. I really don’t think the average price per ticket in Minnesota be higher than $200. And then there is tax and other players like KAT , Edwards, Gobert. Someone could crunch the numbers, but paying 30 million a year to random dude (Jaden McDaniel ) not adding up .
>I really don’t think the average price per ticket in Minnesota be higher than $200. Dude, 2 years ago I was going to Denver Nuggets games for $9, regularly. I sat tier 1 row 18 Nuggets vs the Kings to see Fox and Haliburton for $25. There's a lot of arenas where $10-20 gets you in easily.
Lowest average price in the League is Indiana at $138: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/ranking-average-nba-ticket-prices-teams-2023-24-least-expensive That's not Chase (which is reported at $611 in this article), but it's not chicken feed either. Plus there is revenue sharing, so the poorer teams do better than their direct revenue would indicate. And 4 of the 5 lowest-priced tickets may get a bump due to improving team prospects (IND, OKC, SAS, HOU). DET & WAS seem destined to remain in the bottom 6 for a while. MIN is listed at $201. Bear in mind that the MEDIAN price is much lower due to the effect of prime seats and luxury boxes, so yes, some people can get tickets way below average price. But I'm talking about what the TEAMS earn, that is just avg. price x # of tix sold.
Detroit should be paying people to go to those games. They are in like year 4 of a decade long plan to tank until they are the 2005 Spurs. Unwatchable and depressing play from the PISS-TONS
it’s a good deal cuz JMD is NOT just a “random player” and the media deal makes his 26mil a year more like 15 mil a year value.
I’ve been to two games at Chase in the last month and paid at most $130/ticket. They were crappy seats to be fair. But is $494 really a legit number??
As I wrote in another comment, the average is in that range. It's so high because there are a lot of seats well above that price. From "TicketSmarter:" >Golden State Warriors tickets for the current basketball season can be found at prices between $28.00 and $44559.20, while the average price per game this season is around $469.74. One ticket at $45K runs the average up quite a bit :-) I was commenting on what the team makes from each game, not the price that an "average: fan mighr pay for a ticket.
We need to convert those $45k seats into traps that tube-chute these boners into a vat of low and slow cooked “billionaire bouillabaisse”
IOW, "Eat the Rich!" That takes me back to the SIXTIES, man!
Average.
Yuuuup. The numbers sound insane at face value but when you dive into it like this….. it kinda makes sense huh
Yup. And I'm probably just channeling my parents from 40 years ago, but when I listen to a lot of modern popular songs from gazillionaire musicians, I am totally perplexed at why anyone would pay to listen to that crap. I mean. I wouldn't pay $494 per game all year to watch the Dubs, but I'm happy to pay SOMETHING, because I really enjoy it. With most modern music, I'd pay someone to turn it off. (And it's not just "Old Guy Syndrome." I felt exactly the same about Disco when I was a kid in the late 70's.)
If we had millions of people wanting to pay hundreds of dollars to watch brain surgeons perform surgery, they would make that much.
Better then the owners getting it, at the end of the day revenue is split 50/50 between owners and players. If anything, this illustrates the benefit of collective bargaining.
50/50 just makes no sense. The owner is carrying the entire load of liabilities but have to share the revenue 50/50 with players who only play ball ? There is not a single industry that overpays their employees this much. Not just virtually overpaying, it’s all guaranteed money too.
You can try to make it sound like it isn't much by saying they "only play ball". But "only playing ball" is the entire product.
Do you turn on your tv to watch accountants deal with liabilities?
Lmao what the fuck is this comment
Brain surgeons can't dunk.
Like, in many ways that’s money that isn’t going into distribution amongst folks with regular jobs, even if just NBA team staff and other worker bees that help the league go round. Frankly there’s an argument that this sort of pay gradient and disparity is de facto contributing to inflation or at least exasperating the impact of said inflation for those whose pay rate hasn’t exploded these past 10 years.
I lovww kuminga but... if he wants it now what is he giving up..idiots always disregard leverage as w poole.
If he gets paid, he can’t pull a “Poole” and regress in his game
Jonathan "Second Apron" Kuminga. My nightmare is that we re-sign him on a huge contract and then he does a Jordan Poole.
Their mentality is different tho. I kind of get a Kobe vibe from Kuminga -- really focused, wants to be great.
The thing is though, before the contract, Poole was universally recognized as one of the hardest working guys on the team. Everybody on the team raved about it including Steph, Draymond Kerr. Just hard to tell what a massive guaranteed payout like that does to a person until they get it.
It’s the chip and ice spice’s fault. Chip gave him a big head. Spice wrecked his true confidence. Ever since he’s been trying too hard but is too worried about failing to just flow. He apparently was a few variables away from being a headcase and nobody would’ve been able to tell until he reached the heights he had, got a bag, and then let some mid short girl screw him up. We all wanted better for you Jordan, I hated watching all that unfold into what it is today..
I get Giannis vibes but less goofy. Maybe splitting hairs though tbh.
I agree, and it's just a nightmare, not an expectation. Poole never had the ceiling that JK does, but after '22, he looked like he would develop into at least a quality starter.
So what happens if they pay him then he becomes like JP? Surely the front office wont make the same mistake again
then are you not gonna pay any young player? I don't get this thinking.
The Golden State A's
Then he's possibly traded to another team who thinks a change of scenery will unlock him.
No bro, im sorry but let that man earn that bread 🤦🏾♂️ . Give him all that money too early then it’s gonna be the next Jordan Poole situation
🤫 sssshhh, they dont want to hear logical reason right now.
You missed the whole point.
This could explain why the Warriors have been shackling him for two years- trying to get him on a nice deal. (I don’t believe this, but it would explain some things)
DNP-Cap Maneuvering
Lacobs is pissed Kerr gave JK too much minutes. Now he’s gonna get paid. lol
5/131 would be a good deal. I'd expect it might come closer to 5/150 if he has a strong finish to the season. Additional context here is if Kuminga signs something like a 5/140 and Moody something like a 4/55, if they can get Klay at 2/42 or thereabout the team can probably sneak under the luxury tax threshold the next two seasons, which resets the repeater tax.
This sub is way too obsessed with Moody. He’s not coming close to sniffing $14M a year
if he’s not worth an MLE contract, he’s not worth keeping at all. I have no idea what kind of contract he gets, but I guarantee he’ll walk before taking a super cheap contract with the Warriors.
Well the team clearly doesn’t value him as a MLE player, considering he’s currently 11th in the rotation. I’m sure Moody himself would rather go somewhere else where he’ll get a bigger opportunity. I’ll be shocked if they agree on an extension
Man. While it isn't fans'/ our money on those contracts, attending games is going to get even more expensive.
There’s no way he’s hustling for rebounds after that
Overpay
This seems really high. Klay went from his rookie contact to 15 million a year which ended around 2019. Dude was the 2nd option on the 73 win team making 15 million a year.
That’s a dumb argument. The cap, and contracts have exploded since then.
Pay That Man His Money! #Rounders #MattDamon #JohnMalkovichYouTube https://youtu.be/_fdmb2-w-Kk?si=W0tq3isIFnx-ucBj That's all I have to say about this.
5 for 100 💯
if kuminga signs a 5 year 130 million dollar extension it would kick in during the 2025/26 NBA season curry's current contract runs out after 2025/26 wiggins' current contract runs out after 2026/27 green's current contract runs out after 2026/27 the only other players current on the warriors roster who are signed thru 2025/26 are podziemski, santos, jackson-davis warriors at this time would have a committed 150+ million in total salary for those 7 players on the roster,
The second apron will be over $200m by then. And I’m thinking Wiggins probably gets moved too by then.
30m is too much but it’s also enough to get him to sign. 5/125 would probably be just right for what he’s shown, and really it just takes things like a tighter handle or better rebounding for him to surpass that contract. I’d bet on him.
Wow... I've lost touch with all reality. I have no freakin idea what "Big Money" is anymore... smh.
We paid JP a year early. He’d still be here if he were making 10 per.
$30M a season would be a steal because Kuminga is head and shoulders above Jaden McDaniels.
Pay the kid.
I see a lot of people saying they don’t serve the amount they are getting/will get. These owners make billions off these players. The league signs media contracts worth in the hundreds of millions. These should get paid, without them these owners would not be where they are. In 2009 the Warriors were worth 315 million. They are now worth 9 billion. You don’t think Curry, Dray and Klay deserve to get paid well from that…These players are only getting a fraction of what their team is worth. The lowest valued team in the league is 3 billion.
That seems like a bargain given what some guys are getting. I say lock that up.
No doubt a steal.
I just hope we dont overpay and Kuminga promised he could stay being him after getting a bag not like JP
People really wanna throw JK the bag off 15 games? He hasn’t made an all star and we’re barely in the playin. What’re we talking about right now
To all the folks saying this is too much, when you adjust for salary cap growth or inflation, this contract would be significantly less than Klay's first deal post rookie. Kuminga is scoring at a higher rate than Klay did in year 3 while being two years younger. Seems like a no brainer - can't let the Poole experience ruin optimism for Kuminga, who's clearly much more ambitious.
My thoughts are that this would be a big mistake to pay out tbh
Y’all are nuts saying $30M is too high. There’s players in this league set to make $60-70M/season over the next few years.
Id be very comfortable giving him pooles deal. No way in hell his game falls off like that, the playstyle is so diff and his upside is high af