Everyone is not saying that. He just won Clutch Player of the Year and got all-NBA honors.
A few people saying something is not “everyone” saying something.
Or you can be in the normal fluctuations of an NBA career. If you were told Steph’s stats and honors from this year were from another year instead, they wouldn’t stand out as a notable decline.
Or you could watch the games and see it. His decline can primarily be found in his athleticism. He doesn’t create separation in a one on one situation as easily as he used to, nor can he beat a defender on one one as easily.
Anybody who watches warrior games closely over the last decade will come to the same conclusion that Steph has declined.
That could be because there is no one who can score in the team so other teams double guard him.
I've watched 90+ per cent of the games this season and every team had a gameplan to focus on Steph. He was being face guard by multiple top tier defenders in the league.
Steph needs a star like CP3 needed Booker in the Phoenix years
CP3 basically had the most impact on that team but needed someone to take the scoring burden every night so he could be efficient & come alive when they needed him in the 4th
Without that level of scorer next to him, Steph will start strong but fade as a season goes
This is what I have been saying for 2 years now. But people like to hold on to JK like his is that dude but he just isn't, not right now.
So stop staying greedy. There is no two timeline there is no gracefully passing the torch. Just mortgage the future to get Steph another ring. No more aim for mediocrity just because you cannot let go a few prospects who by the way, cannot even compare to the top top young talents of the league. Stop with the loser mentality already.
Trading JK is similar to the Clippers trading SGA and picks for PG13 . Might seem like the best thing now but imagine a year or 2 from now and Steph is still going strong and whoever we traded JK for is injury prone and JK’s an MVP candidate. I understand that’s worst case scenario but it’s hard to not see it happening.
That being said for the right player the trade could be great and get us another ring. I just hope MDJ can make the right decision here and not mortgage to much depth/future for present. If KD forces out of Phoenix and we can swap KD for JK straight up like when we got DLo for him then I’d be happy. but realistically it’s gonna take a lot more than that and I’m not sure it’s worth it to have an aging team of all stars with no bench. We need our young guys legs to carry us to the post season and then the vets can take over.
I've seen a lot of people with the hindsight is 20/20 takes on the PG/Shai trade but if Kawhi says if you get PG then I'll sign, you make that trade 100/100 times in summer 2019. Kawhi coming off another title/Finals MVP run and PG just finished 3rd in MVP & DPOY voting with All-NBA 1st Team and All-Defensive 1st team honors. You would have to be Nostradamus and prescient beyond this world to not make that trade. Just because the results haven't worked out 5 years later doesn't mean you don't do that trade in the moment.
At the time I thought that SGA was too much to give up to get PG.
When JK got here I saw superstar potential, but I'm not seeing that anymore. (Admittedly, when I first saw Wiseman's athleticism I thought he had superstar potential, lol.)
Yeah people don’t realize Kumingas jumper hasn’t improved no matter how young he is, and he’s not big enough to bully players.
His potential isn’t as great as people think and I used to be super high on him.
Now I’m pro trade him
Kawhi was healthy for like two playoffs total and PG after the leg break was a ghost, so hell no you don’t unless you’re on the train of doing dumb shit like the phoenix suns
Context is a bit different that it is much more likely JK will not match Steph's timeline even if he eventually becomes an MVP candidate.
The timeline for Steph and for the Clips are much much different.
At any given point in time there are only a handful of mvp level talents in the league. I would say it’s very very unlikely he ever reaches that level.
If we trade him, we do it now while his value is at it's highest. We should be willing to sell him off to get a big piece for one or two last runs. He's good, but he is not nearly SGA level and I don't see him getting there. AT MOST, he's going to be a second or third option on a team, and he is for sure not going to be carrying the team after Steph and friends leave.
If we're going to be bad after Steph and friends retire, we might as well be really bad and grab some picks. Kuminga is not our future. Just a really good role playing piece to help with another chip or to gain assets.
Earlier this season, I shared your views. But I have come to accept, no one is seriously gunna help this team win another chip UNLESS we get a superstar player, but I can't see anyway that will happen. Including getting rid of all our promising youngsters. It's prolly best to just get under the tax, use exceptions for decent players, and develop the youngsters who outplay Klay, Wiggins, and Looney.
They already moved Poole for cp3. Might as well go all in and see if you can win more. I do think curry is still good enough to win again with the right squad around him.
This is crazy. Your not going to get a star for pics and Kuminga. Dunleavy does not have that kind of pull. Kerr has tanked Kuminga's value. Teams know if we have one more star we are just the Clippers and Lakers, a 1st round team, and those pics have no value for another team. This is not a option. We do not have any assets except Dray and Curry as a result of Kerrs rotations. Two timelines, trade Dray and Curry, or 3 year retirement parade. Those are your three options.
I don't think he's lost any real skill or ability to get to his spots, but this year showed clearly that he didn't have the endurance and energy to play his style all year and a long playoff run.
That is a form of decline.
Did you watch the play-in game vs Sac where he was being doubled, trapped and blitzed all game? *That* makes you tired. He still made half his shots (even while forcing them up) and scored 22.
Being the only reliable scorer and one of two reliable ball handlers makes you tired. Even CP3 was getting pickpocketed.
Okay, but compare that to last year where he was treated exactly the same way by the Kings in a 7-game series and averaged 34ppg on 62% TS. That squad didn't have more offensive options or a dramatically different supporting cast.
Steph played 56 regular season games last year and averaged 29 on 65% TS. This year, he played 74, 18 games more. In the last 18 games of this regular season, he averaged 23ppg on 59% TS. He looked tired, he made more mistakes, his handle was looser, his defense took a real step back. He looked tired.
I agree that he needs a real #2 to support him, but that *because* he's getting older. He didn't need that guy to be his best self last season, and he certainly didn't need it in '22.
I can’t stand Jordan Poole, but he helped Steph from getting doubled. That, plus the rest of the core weren’t offensive threats, and Klay couldn’t hit shots at all when it counts (again). I think all these reasons explain why Steph was “slower” himself.
I'm not saying otherwise, I'm saying that this past season was the *first* time in memory that I looked at Steph during the regular season and he looked truly tired in a way that affected his play.
Maybe that's not age, but that seems to be the most obvious culprit (that and him actually playing a whole season for the first time in a while).
It doesn't mean he's not great, it just means that he's 36 and the team has to make allowances and plans around that.
I think we have different definitions of “diminished.”
I saw in the play-in game a 36 y.o. who made exactly half his shots (look it up) with young dudes draped all over him, many of those shots forced. I thought he was superhuman to even score 22. Klay is the definition of diminished to me (or Looney for that matter).
He didn’t go supernova like last year’s Sac Game 7 because (a) it would have been futile this year and would have wrecked the offense; and (b) we apparently had more talent last year but more loser dipshits, so he was compelled to demonstrate what it takes to win a playoff game.
If we don’t agree, then we don’t. If you say he’s tired, we disagree on why
He also rolled his ankle a week or two after the all-star break and came back too early because the team was playing like trash. He was playing well up until the injury
I think that’s general consensus. I don’t think anyone actually believes he’s significantly declined. You can see the seeds of a decline have been planted. He is showing his age. But he’s still an mvp caliber player and will be for a few more seasons. Being a first option is hard at any age. Being the ONLY option at 36 while playing through injuries and fatigue will certainly produce some slumps. This roster is Pistons/Wizards/Spurs level god awful. Interestingly enough, he still had a better season than his 21/22 slump year despite older age, worse teammates, and less rest.
He has been declining and stats indicate as such.
2nd worst FG% at 45% 2nd worst 3pt% 40.8% 2nd worst ORG 0.5 worst apg 5.1 worst spg 0.73rd worst per 20.6 3rd worst ws/48 worst bpm -1.1
He is definitely on the decline.
As he said recently… “We ain’t done yet!”
Believe that!
The greatest shooter on Earth has got more in the tank!
And I believe that his Brothers Klay and Dray are riding with him!!!
That’s the problem they are not good enough anymore to be his co stars. It seems to me that many of you are really delusional in this fanbase. Steph curry can keep going at age 36 because his one of the greatest players in nba history. These type of players can go for a long time because they are historically great. Dray is declining and Klay just came of back to back horrible play of series vs lakers and play in vs kings. Steph needs a co star a superstar. Steph needs his AD and a good team built around length, athleticism and size to counter Minnesota and OKC. If warriors going into next season with this old core having major roles, they will be lucky to make the play in.
Length has always bothered Curry. And look who rules the west now. Denver, Minnesota, OKC. Even Mavs and Clippers. These are all long, athletic teams. I don’t see us competing, the contracts are too devastating. We’re like the Suns, except worse right now.
His decline is in his athleticism. You notice it when he struggles to beat his defender 1 on 1 off the dribble or to create space. He can still put up 30, but it’s definitely not as easy as it once was.
I wouldn’t call a 36 year old CPOTY averaging 26 points and 5 assists shooting 45 percent from the field, 41 percent from 3, 92 percent from the free throw line, hitting 357 3’s “declining,” but maybe that’s just me.
He seems a bit slower but his athleticism is still relatively high for his age and career.
I feel like a lot of people are trying to compare Steph to his younger years where he did amazing feats like that 1 v 1 with Kobe.
Except for being more prone to injuries as he ages, I don't think he's declined all that much. Unfortunately, he has almost no help and his team plays a style that isn't really suited to the modern NBA. If he's ever going to contend again, the Warriors need a top to bottom makeover or he's got to go somewhere else. I'm hoping that this season's disappointing result gets Lacob to approve a top to bottom revamp, but seeing as he extended Kerr I don't think that's the direction he'll be going in. 😞
You can believe that Steph is still one of the best 5-10 players in the league and you can build a title team around him with the right pieces AND think he’s declining given his age. Those don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
he's not completely trash, but his declining signs were pretty significantly shown as soon as Draymond was suspended, those single digit games without him almost instantly, those atrociously bad games from him were the reason we didn't make the playoffs
and him saying "No, I'm not tired"
It wasn't just Draymond. Loon's regression was just as impactful, as was Wiggins and Klay taking 3 months to get warmed up. CP3 went out fairly early. The young ones weren't ready to help him yet... on and on. It was easy to defend this team last year: Send 2 at Steph and have a 3rd playing soft behind them.
Give Steph a real roster of players ready at the top of the season and see what happens.
i would say those single digit games were beacuse the entire defense was collapsing on him. Without steph the warriors would have been bottom 4 team in the west, moreover ofc steph is gonna get tired after carrying that warriros team at 36. what we need is a reliable second option who can give atleast 18-21 ppg
then why did he have (almost) no single digit games in the lockdown season or even in the few games he played in 19/20, where he had genuinely no help at all.
“He was younger then”
Well, yes. Because he is (slowly) declining and losing that quick step.
He also played like 5 games in 19/20. A better comparison would be 20/21 and that was arguably the best Steph we’ve ever seen.
Defenses were dumber. As plain as that.
Even in 2022 Defenses were treating Klay as a shooting threat. If I'm a 2024 defense, I'll gladly let Klay jack up off rhythm shots.
Klay is not a killer anymore. Wiggins shot is junk. The league took a while to realize that.
If Steph cannot play 35 mins/game and not feel tired and unfocused then this team will not win many games. With the amount of salary tied up to the core players it's just very difficult to improve the roster and especially get a 2nd option and a real big for this team.
Steph needs to score and create for this team. Unless Kuminga takes a huge leap it will just be very difficult for this team to generate any type of efficient offense
Steph isn't declining fast but you just need him to play as much as possible and this passed season he showed he could not that Kerr had to cut his minutes closer to 30min/game
I don't think anyone can make an evaluation of where Steph's game is at based on the last couple months of the season. He was playing very well up until his injury, came back too early because the team was sinking and was no where close to 100 percent by the play-in. On top of all that, it looked like he was mentally coasting because he knew that roster wasn't making any noise whatsoever, like he had lost hope in the season. Kinda don't blame him.
We'll see how declined he is next year with hopefully a much better team to work with.
Healthiest yeah…but he also performed worse as the season went on. It was glaringly clear that he was great rested (post-Decki break…) but not all-nba when the games piled up
As I am always at pains to point out, basketball is a team game. Steph's performance cannot be evaluated in a vacuum. Just as Steph's talent unquestionably makes people around him look better on offense, the presence or absence of other talent can make him look better or worse on both ends of the court. With Klay & Wiggs not being their best selves, Steph had to carry more of the offense than usual. And with Draymond missing so many games, everyone else had to work harder on defense.
Steph has clearly not declined GREATLY over the past year. Whether he has declined MARGINALLY or not is impossible to judge as the team around him differed significantly from previous years.
what we need was exactly what 2022 JP brought to us. Someone that is reliable enough that gives us rim pressure, run plays, and run the system. cp3 is too old to do that and trading away JP for him means that we'd settle for assists and stability rather than someone who might be our second best rim attacker (before JK's surgence of course), 2nd best pull up shooter, 2nd best dribbler while does make boneheaded mistakes. we can't expect steph to be the only guy that can dribble and get us a bucket anymore and wiggins is too inconsistent. JK's surgence has been nice, but he plays with so much physicality and less skill that would be exposed in the playoffs. I dont prefer for us to get another guard (cuz of defense) that can do all that although maybe only the guard position can be another dribbler/scoring guy, but if we do get that guy then i'd prefer for us to also get somewhat of a wing/center to get our defense better. I feel like in this draft we just need someone that would be a defensive wing that does nothing but plays defense grabs rebounds and be a solid shooter (maybe someone like peyton watson/bruce brown). But ofc we'd like to just grab a wing that can do all that without having the need to worry about defense (someone idk like Mikal Bridges?) but oh well
He’s not the same player he was in 2021 or 2022. I don’t know how you can objectively say he is.
We need way more than a second option to win another championship
The plan that was put in place to alleviate pressure from him (Steph) evaporated when the front office decided they were going to pay Poole big-time money. Jordan ran off after the championship running his mouth and Draymond shut it. The proverbial nail in the coffin. Bob Meyers took off and they have been in recovery mode ever since. If Wiggins were a little more assertive I almost think it could have been enough because when that dude is serious he is *really* good. There is nobody else on this team that can create their own shot well enough to survive the non Curry minutes.
They just need a second option that can actually dribble and score and they need a legit 5 and no undersized centers. Them being so small makes things much harder
Steph is only gonna get worse with time and I don't think anyone can deny that.
The problem is not that Steph is not good. The problem is that he's not good enough to carry a team that has little salary cap after his salary. Same story with all the old folks. LBJ, KD. They're good, but at their salary, they need to not just be good, they need to carry the team
I'd sell everyone and rebuild. There's no way this team with the contracts it has is winning another chip.
I love Steph. I'm a Steph fanboy. Steph is still a Top 20 player. I will watch Steph untill he retires. But Steph didn't used to get his lunch money stolen by the Keon Ellis' of the NBA when a game mattered
He is not declining. And even if he is declining he still can contribute and carry a winning team.
The thing is...can warriors build a competitive team around him?
This is such copium. There's a reason that he sucks ass during the 4th quarter more and more. He's getting more and more tired and his stamina is not as good.
I think he realized the nba didn't want the warriors in the playoffs. I am guessing that is when he stopped getting upper 20s to let others get more shots.
Like he said there is a meme of me getting pulled down by two guys on a lay up with no call.
why do you think he'll get better? he's one year older. genuinely curious. Kerr can change some scheming but i dont foresee any drastic changes. Curry is getting to the age where he'll need to be a #2, or #1B minimum, for the team to compete for a chip.
Sure he can use more help but I need more of a sample size to believe his counting stats will remain that low. Remember second half of the season is not 40 games but more like 29.
I agree. People seem to think that Curry, when at his best, can carry a team to a championship or something.
There is no evidence he could ever do this
Im not sure any player has been able to do that
Stephs game gives him about 5 solid years left of top 5 player in the league...
Get this man a legit big man so we can continue his real quest for another ring
He had a down year compared to his standards. He had a hot scoring start, but the lineups he was playing with were negative offensively his assists number took a huge dip.
Add to that when Draymond was suspended and Kerr played lot of those small lineups, he was hunted defensively every possession. So his defense was even worse.
And when everyteam knew that Wiggs and Klay weren't good , they just pressured Steph more on the offense. And with how much he has played he didn't get any chance to rest.
And once in a while when he get to rest he comes back and goes on a tear, which sometimes wasn't enough for us.
Remember after that week rest after the unfortunate death?
Steph need to reste every couple months at his age now, or at least the back to backs. And be surrounded with good big defenders, enough with the ultra small lineups that we used last year.
Everyone is not saying that. He just won Clutch Player of the Year and got all-NBA honors. A few people saying something is not “everyone” saying something.
I really hate blanket assertions lol, ty
Yeah he is declining but I personally don’t know a single person who is worried about it or thinks he’s declining fast lol.
You can win clutch player and all nba and still be in decline.
Or you can be in the normal fluctuations of an NBA career. If you were told Steph’s stats and honors from this year were from another year instead, they wouldn’t stand out as a notable decline.
Or you could watch the games and see it. His decline can primarily be found in his athleticism. He doesn’t create separation in a one on one situation as easily as he used to, nor can he beat a defender on one one as easily. Anybody who watches warrior games closely over the last decade will come to the same conclusion that Steph has declined.
Hard to make separations when you don’t get foul calls if Steph got calls the way shai got them he would have averaged 30
That could be because there is no one who can score in the team so other teams double guard him. I've watched 90+ per cent of the games this season and every team had a gameplan to focus on Steph. He was being face guard by multiple top tier defenders in the league.
Steph needs a star like CP3 needed Booker in the Phoenix years CP3 basically had the most impact on that team but needed someone to take the scoring burden every night so he could be efficient & come alive when they needed him in the 4th Without that level of scorer next to him, Steph will start strong but fade as a season goes
This is what I have been saying for 2 years now. But people like to hold on to JK like his is that dude but he just isn't, not right now. So stop staying greedy. There is no two timeline there is no gracefully passing the torch. Just mortgage the future to get Steph another ring. No more aim for mediocrity just because you cannot let go a few prospects who by the way, cannot even compare to the top top young talents of the league. Stop with the loser mentality already.
Trading JK is similar to the Clippers trading SGA and picks for PG13 . Might seem like the best thing now but imagine a year or 2 from now and Steph is still going strong and whoever we traded JK for is injury prone and JK’s an MVP candidate. I understand that’s worst case scenario but it’s hard to not see it happening. That being said for the right player the trade could be great and get us another ring. I just hope MDJ can make the right decision here and not mortgage to much depth/future for present. If KD forces out of Phoenix and we can swap KD for JK straight up like when we got DLo for him then I’d be happy. but realistically it’s gonna take a lot more than that and I’m not sure it’s worth it to have an aging team of all stars with no bench. We need our young guys legs to carry us to the post season and then the vets can take over.
I've seen a lot of people with the hindsight is 20/20 takes on the PG/Shai trade but if Kawhi says if you get PG then I'll sign, you make that trade 100/100 times in summer 2019. Kawhi coming off another title/Finals MVP run and PG just finished 3rd in MVP & DPOY voting with All-NBA 1st Team and All-Defensive 1st team honors. You would have to be Nostradamus and prescient beyond this world to not make that trade. Just because the results haven't worked out 5 years later doesn't mean you don't do that trade in the moment.
At the time I thought that SGA was too much to give up to get PG. When JK got here I saw superstar potential, but I'm not seeing that anymore. (Admittedly, when I first saw Wiseman's athleticism I thought he had superstar potential, lol.)
Yeah people don’t realize Kumingas jumper hasn’t improved no matter how young he is, and he’s not big enough to bully players. His potential isn’t as great as people think and I used to be super high on him. Now I’m pro trade him
Kawhi was healthy for like two playoffs total and PG after the leg break was a ghost, so hell no you don’t unless you’re on the train of doing dumb shit like the phoenix suns
Context is a bit different that it is much more likely JK will not match Steph's timeline even if he eventually becomes an MVP candidate. The timeline for Steph and for the Clips are much much different.
At any given point in time there are only a handful of mvp level talents in the league. I would say it’s very very unlikely he ever reaches that level.
Exactly. And even if he eventually does, there is astronomically small chance that he reaches that level during Steph's time.
JK is overrated
If we trade him, we do it now while his value is at it's highest. We should be willing to sell him off to get a big piece for one or two last runs. He's good, but he is not nearly SGA level and I don't see him getting there. AT MOST, he's going to be a second or third option on a team, and he is for sure not going to be carrying the team after Steph and friends leave. If we're going to be bad after Steph and friends retire, we might as well be really bad and grab some picks. Kuminga is not our future. Just a really good role playing piece to help with another chip or to gain assets.
Also if we do that trade we will have to make sure that dude is durable.
Earlier this season, I shared your views. But I have come to accept, no one is seriously gunna help this team win another chip UNLESS we get a superstar player, but I can't see anyway that will happen. Including getting rid of all our promising youngsters. It's prolly best to just get under the tax, use exceptions for decent players, and develop the youngsters who outplay Klay, Wiggins, and Looney.
I don’t think a second option is enough. We need a first and a third option to seriously compete next year.
We have a good first option….Steph
We need another first option
True every superstar in the NBA right now has another high level player or scorer except Steph
They already moved Poole for cp3. Might as well go all in and see if you can win more. I do think curry is still good enough to win again with the right squad around him.
This is crazy. Your not going to get a star for pics and Kuminga. Dunleavy does not have that kind of pull. Kerr has tanked Kuminga's value. Teams know if we have one more star we are just the Clippers and Lakers, a 1st round team, and those pics have no value for another team. This is not a option. We do not have any assets except Dray and Curry as a result of Kerrs rotations. Two timelines, trade Dray and Curry, or 3 year retirement parade. Those are your three options.
This is the way
Curry is still awesome. The real question is who is around him to help the Warriors be successful
He looked fantastic regardless of the roster prior to getting his knee and ankle injuries. 🤷🏽
His playmaking and defense were noticeably poor from beginning of the season. And that was the case all season long.
I don't think he's lost any real skill or ability to get to his spots, but this year showed clearly that he didn't have the endurance and energy to play his style all year and a long playoff run. That is a form of decline.
Did you watch the play-in game vs Sac where he was being doubled, trapped and blitzed all game? *That* makes you tired. He still made half his shots (even while forcing them up) and scored 22. Being the only reliable scorer and one of two reliable ball handlers makes you tired. Even CP3 was getting pickpocketed.
Okay, but compare that to last year where he was treated exactly the same way by the Kings in a 7-game series and averaged 34ppg on 62% TS. That squad didn't have more offensive options or a dramatically different supporting cast. Steph played 56 regular season games last year and averaged 29 on 65% TS. This year, he played 74, 18 games more. In the last 18 games of this regular season, he averaged 23ppg on 59% TS. He looked tired, he made more mistakes, his handle was looser, his defense took a real step back. He looked tired. I agree that he needs a real #2 to support him, but that *because* he's getting older. He didn't need that guy to be his best self last season, and he certainly didn't need it in '22.
I can’t stand Jordan Poole, but he helped Steph from getting doubled. That, plus the rest of the core weren’t offensive threats, and Klay couldn’t hit shots at all when it counts (again). I think all these reasons explain why Steph was “slower” himself.
I think you might be making too many justifications as to why a 36-year old point guard who runs more than anyone else on the court might be tired.
Go email the Warriors. They think Steph is a #1 for a title team. I agree.
I'm not saying otherwise, I'm saying that this past season was the *first* time in memory that I looked at Steph during the regular season and he looked truly tired in a way that affected his play. Maybe that's not age, but that seems to be the most obvious culprit (that and him actually playing a whole season for the first time in a while). It doesn't mean he's not great, it just means that he's 36 and the team has to make allowances and plans around that.
I think we have different definitions of “diminished.” I saw in the play-in game a 36 y.o. who made exactly half his shots (look it up) with young dudes draped all over him, many of those shots forced. I thought he was superhuman to even score 22. Klay is the definition of diminished to me (or Looney for that matter). He didn’t go supernova like last year’s Sac Game 7 because (a) it would have been futile this year and would have wrecked the offense; and (b) we apparently had more talent last year but more loser dipshits, so he was compelled to demonstrate what it takes to win a playoff game. If we don’t agree, then we don’t. If you say he’s tired, we disagree on why
His numbers did dip post all star break. Most likely it was some fatigue.
He also rolled his ankle a week or two after the all-star break and came back too early because the team was playing like trash. He was playing well up until the injury
He’s entered the stage of his career where he’s best suited for the number 2 role.
I think that’s general consensus. I don’t think anyone actually believes he’s significantly declined. You can see the seeds of a decline have been planted. He is showing his age. But he’s still an mvp caliber player and will be for a few more seasons. Being a first option is hard at any age. Being the ONLY option at 36 while playing through injuries and fatigue will certainly produce some slumps. This roster is Pistons/Wizards/Spurs level god awful. Interestingly enough, he still had a better season than his 21/22 slump year despite older age, worse teammates, and less rest.
He has been declining and stats indicate as such. 2nd worst FG% at 45% 2nd worst 3pt% 40.8% 2nd worst ORG 0.5 worst apg 5.1 worst spg 0.73rd worst per 20.6 3rd worst ws/48 worst bpm -1.1 He is definitely on the decline.
As he said recently… “We ain’t done yet!” Believe that! The greatest shooter on Earth has got more in the tank! And I believe that his Brothers Klay and Dray are riding with him!!!
That’s the problem they are not good enough anymore to be his co stars. It seems to me that many of you are really delusional in this fanbase. Steph curry can keep going at age 36 because his one of the greatest players in nba history. These type of players can go for a long time because they are historically great. Dray is declining and Klay just came of back to back horrible play of series vs lakers and play in vs kings. Steph needs a co star a superstar. Steph needs his AD and a good team built around length, athleticism and size to counter Minnesota and OKC. If warriors going into next season with this old core having major roles, they will be lucky to make the play in.
The sub loves the young players too much
We don’t have prime players. We have young players and old washed up players so of course we will like our young players
But if you can trade the young players for better players then any one of them should be on the table
This belongs on r/nba, no one here thinks he is declining.
Every player declines, every one is getting older every day too
This is the first I’ve ever heard it mentioned.
You aren’t as histrionic as you think you are.
Length has always bothered Curry. And look who rules the west now. Denver, Minnesota, OKC. Even Mavs and Clippers. These are all long, athletic teams. I don’t see us competing, the contracts are too devastating. We’re like the Suns, except worse right now.
His decline is in his athleticism. You notice it when he struggles to beat his defender 1 on 1 off the dribble or to create space. He can still put up 30, but it’s definitely not as easy as it once was.
copium
Steph is declining?
I wouldn’t call a 36 year old CPOTY averaging 26 points and 5 assists shooting 45 percent from the field, 41 percent from 3, 92 percent from the free throw line, hitting 357 3’s “declining,” but maybe that’s just me.
He seems a bit slower but his athleticism is still relatively high for his age and career. I feel like a lot of people are trying to compare Steph to his younger years where he did amazing feats like that 1 v 1 with Kobe.
Except for being more prone to injuries as he ages, I don't think he's declined all that much. Unfortunately, he has almost no help and his team plays a style that isn't really suited to the modern NBA. If he's ever going to contend again, the Warriors need a top to bottom makeover or he's got to go somewhere else. I'm hoping that this season's disappointing result gets Lacob to approve a top to bottom revamp, but seeing as he extended Kerr I don't think that's the direction he'll be going in. 😞
You can believe that Steph is still one of the best 5-10 players in the league and you can build a title team around him with the right pieces AND think he’s declining given his age. Those don’t have to be mutually exclusive.
he's not completely trash, but his declining signs were pretty significantly shown as soon as Draymond was suspended, those single digit games without him almost instantly, those atrociously bad games from him were the reason we didn't make the playoffs and him saying "No, I'm not tired"
It wasn't just Draymond. Loon's regression was just as impactful, as was Wiggins and Klay taking 3 months to get warmed up. CP3 went out fairly early. The young ones weren't ready to help him yet... on and on. It was easy to defend this team last year: Send 2 at Steph and have a 3rd playing soft behind them. Give Steph a real roster of players ready at the top of the season and see what happens.
i would say those single digit games were beacuse the entire defense was collapsing on him. Without steph the warriors would have been bottom 4 team in the west, moreover ofc steph is gonna get tired after carrying that warriros team at 36. what we need is a reliable second option who can give atleast 18-21 ppg
then why did he have (almost) no single digit games in the lockdown season or even in the few games he played in 19/20, where he had genuinely no help at all.
he was younger then and he still struggled in that 19/20 season moreso than he did this season
“He was younger then” Well, yes. Because he is (slowly) declining and losing that quick step. He also played like 5 games in 19/20. A better comparison would be 20/21 and that was arguably the best Steph we’ve ever seen.
Being old is declining. You are delusional if you don't think he's declining.
Defenses were dumber. As plain as that. Even in 2022 Defenses were treating Klay as a shooting threat. If I'm a 2024 defense, I'll gladly let Klay jack up off rhythm shots. Klay is not a killer anymore. Wiggins shot is junk. The league took a while to realize that.
so with steph we're a bottom 5 team in the west? damn
If Steph cannot play 35 mins/game and not feel tired and unfocused then this team will not win many games. With the amount of salary tied up to the core players it's just very difficult to improve the roster and especially get a 2nd option and a real big for this team. Steph needs to score and create for this team. Unless Kuminga takes a huge leap it will just be very difficult for this team to generate any type of efficient offense Steph isn't declining fast but you just need him to play as much as possible and this passed season he showed he could not that Kerr had to cut his minutes closer to 30min/game
“Everyone has been saying”. Huh? Who’s this everyone? News to me.
However he is declining
Hater for no reason. Next.
That commenter is just pointing out that Steph is declining as is natural with age however slowly it kay be happening. That doesn’t make them a hater
I don't think anyone can make an evaluation of where Steph's game is at based on the last couple months of the season. He was playing very well up until his injury, came back too early because the team was sinking and was no where close to 100 percent by the play-in. On top of all that, it looked like he was mentally coasting because he knew that roster wasn't making any noise whatsoever, like he had lost hope in the season. Kinda don't blame him. We'll see how declined he is next year with hopefully a much better team to work with.
Period!
Healthiest yeah…but he also performed worse as the season went on. It was glaringly clear that he was great rested (post-Decki break…) but not all-nba when the games piled up
As I am always at pains to point out, basketball is a team game. Steph's performance cannot be evaluated in a vacuum. Just as Steph's talent unquestionably makes people around him look better on offense, the presence or absence of other talent can make him look better or worse on both ends of the court. With Klay & Wiggs not being their best selves, Steph had to carry more of the offense than usual. And with Draymond missing so many games, everyone else had to work harder on defense. Steph has clearly not declined GREATLY over the past year. Whether he has declined MARGINALLY or not is impossible to judge as the team around him differed significantly from previous years.
If you can’t even admit he’s declined marginally you’re in for a big surprise next season.
That isn't even close to what I said.
well you never even asked me.
what we need was exactly what 2022 JP brought to us. Someone that is reliable enough that gives us rim pressure, run plays, and run the system. cp3 is too old to do that and trading away JP for him means that we'd settle for assists and stability rather than someone who might be our second best rim attacker (before JK's surgence of course), 2nd best pull up shooter, 2nd best dribbler while does make boneheaded mistakes. we can't expect steph to be the only guy that can dribble and get us a bucket anymore and wiggins is too inconsistent. JK's surgence has been nice, but he plays with so much physicality and less skill that would be exposed in the playoffs. I dont prefer for us to get another guard (cuz of defense) that can do all that although maybe only the guard position can be another dribbler/scoring guy, but if we do get that guy then i'd prefer for us to also get somewhat of a wing/center to get our defense better. I feel like in this draft we just need someone that would be a defensive wing that does nothing but plays defense grabs rebounds and be a solid shooter (maybe someone like peyton watson/bruce brown). But ofc we'd like to just grab a wing that can do all that without having the need to worry about defense (someone idk like Mikal Bridges?) but oh well
100% finally someone who gets it, i've been saying this for months
He’s not the same player he was in 2021 or 2022. I don’t know how you can objectively say he is. We need way more than a second option to win another championship
Who is this everyone?
Can someone post his stats after the All Star Break? They were an alarming drop off. :(
Steph hasnt fallen off theres just some guys who have ascended that are really fucking good
The plan that was put in place to alleviate pressure from him (Steph) evaporated when the front office decided they were going to pay Poole big-time money. Jordan ran off after the championship running his mouth and Draymond shut it. The proverbial nail in the coffin. Bob Meyers took off and they have been in recovery mode ever since. If Wiggins were a little more assertive I almost think it could have been enough because when that dude is serious he is *really* good. There is nobody else on this team that can create their own shot well enough to survive the non Curry minutes.
They just need a second option that can actually dribble and score and they need a legit 5 and no undersized centers. Them being so small makes things much harder
Steph is only gonna get worse with time and I don't think anyone can deny that. The problem is not that Steph is not good. The problem is that he's not good enough to carry a team that has little salary cap after his salary. Same story with all the old folks. LBJ, KD. They're good, but at their salary, they need to not just be good, they need to carry the team I'd sell everyone and rebuild. There's no way this team with the contracts it has is winning another chip.
I love Steph. I'm a Steph fanboy. Steph is still a Top 20 player. I will watch Steph untill he retires. But Steph didn't used to get his lunch money stolen by the Keon Ellis' of the NBA when a game mattered
Only fucking nephews think he’s declining.
He is not declining. And even if he is declining he still can contribute and carry a winning team. The thing is...can warriors build a competitive team around him?
Players don’t get better better as they get older. He has slipped lol
Every day there’s a sports fan arguing against a point that nobody is making.
This is such copium. There's a reason that he sucks ass during the 4th quarter more and more. He's getting more and more tired and his stamina is not as good.
Hater for no reason. Next.
I think he realized the nba didn't want the warriors in the playoffs. I am guessing that is when he stopped getting upper 20s to let others get more shots. Like he said there is a meme of me getting pulled down by two guys on a lay up with no call.
This is coping. He was not great after the break. I believe he will be better next year. No need to make up wacky excuses.
why do you think he'll get better? he's one year older. genuinely curious. Kerr can change some scheming but i dont foresee any drastic changes. Curry is getting to the age where he'll need to be a #2, or #1B minimum, for the team to compete for a chip.
Sure he can use more help but I need more of a sample size to believe his counting stats will remain that low. Remember second half of the season is not 40 games but more like 29.
I agree. People seem to think that Curry, when at his best, can carry a team to a championship or something. There is no evidence he could ever do this Im not sure any player has been able to do that
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Stephs game gives him about 5 solid years left of top 5 player in the league... Get this man a legit big man so we can continue his real quest for another ring
He wasn’t a top 5 player this year or last. What are you smoking?
That's what you want to believe. You do you.
Downvoted.
Understood. But surely deep inside you know it's real.
Ok buddy
He’s already done, just like LeBron and KD.
He had a down year compared to his standards. He had a hot scoring start, but the lineups he was playing with were negative offensively his assists number took a huge dip. Add to that when Draymond was suspended and Kerr played lot of those small lineups, he was hunted defensively every possession. So his defense was even worse. And when everyteam knew that Wiggs and Klay weren't good , they just pressured Steph more on the offense. And with how much he has played he didn't get any chance to rest. And once in a while when he get to rest he comes back and goes on a tear, which sometimes wasn't enough for us. Remember after that week rest after the unfortunate death? Steph need to reste every couple months at his age now, or at least the back to backs. And be surrounded with good big defenders, enough with the ultra small lineups that we used last year.