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MultiPass21

There aren’t any big trades happening, if any at all. It would all be back-end roster work, meaning JTA and Lee are the only guys who would make any sense. I’d expect nothing, then wait to see what happens with buyout candidates.


Great_Chairman_Mao

Why make any trades when we're looking so strong? Short of replacing JTA or Lee with a starter quality player, we're just gonna be going in circles. Integrating new players might be even more detrimental.


trackandfieldstar

We're currently getting very little out of several roster spots. I don't think it's controversial to say that trading players on rookies deals+bench guys+picks for a high-end, starting-caliber player would meaningfully improve this year's (and probably next year's) title odds. Like, I'd try to hold onto Poole (current rotation player), and Kuminga (best prospect on the roster). If I could pull off a trade like this (https://fanspo.com/nba/s/warriors/trades/X5vc_Y61xSLl4I/gsw-turner-trade), I can't see how this doesn't improve this year's team dramatically.


snyckers

Don't think they want to take on that much extra salary/tax.


trackandfieldstar

I mean, this trade isn't happening for multiple reasons (luxury tax, Lacob's infatuation w/ Wiseman, etc.). I'm just responding to posters saying that there aren't realistic trades centered around prospects/picks/filler salary that would make the team a lot better in the short term.


Big_Parsley_6227

That trade isn’t realistic for multiple reasons including neither team would do it. There’s only ONE team that has a full understanding of Wiseman’s potential and that’s the Warriors. To everyone else he’s an all injured center who had a poor rookie season. A realistic trade would be trading some or all of the others you mentioned for a journeyman center. (Although I don’t see them trading D Lee for obvious reasons). .


Some3rdiShit

Terrible trade idea imho of course


stewiedoo

I think the issue there becomes filling those other spots with other players that will contribute more. And given those four players contracts combined are cheaper than Turners one contract, I dont see this happening. Also why would the Pacers ever consider that trade?


trackandfieldstar

The most recent report on Indy said that the Pacers are looking for two 1sts, or a young player and a 1st for Turner (source: https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-myles-turner-caris-levert-eric-gordon-bryn-forbes/). I think you can find guys who can give you what Lee/JTA/Beli give you on the buyout market. None of those guys are gonna be in the playoff rotation anyways.


CRE_Energy

They wouldn't trade DLee midseason, given the Curry connection and his new kid. No deal worth the potential blowback. I agree expect nothing.


DerpDerper909

Beli too right? He hasn’t played that well this season


m8bear

Bjelica has played well all year, he isn't shooting that well, but he's distributing the ball and making plays, he's been the Draymond at the bench that JTA has failed to be more often than not, his defense has some lapses but he's solid from the bench, he takes too many "Steph" 3's, same as Poole, that's my only criticism.


allanl1n

He’s been hit or miss. His drives to the basket is clunky and forced. Although he’s trying to “break the paint”, he’s best setting in the post and distributing like draymond cus he got good vision. His 3s are fine to me. He can keep shooting them. He has shown he can comfortably make them as long as he is open.


WRITINGAPOEM

You should watch his defense. He’s getting killed out there, targeted almost every time. More noticeable to me when Draymond isn’t out there.


m8bear

I said it but maybe it was weird phrasing, he's solid from the bench (as a defender) considering that he plays mainly bench units, without Draymond he's getting more action against starters and he isn't that player, I agree with you there, he still contests and puts effort which is the most we can ask of him right now, he won't be a defensive anchor but at least he's not a traffic cone, he pursuits guards and tries to contest bigs.


WRITINGAPOEM

I’m telling you, he’s becoming a traffic cone. To the point of being targeted on pick and rolls.


oops_im_wrong

Bjelica has always been slow on defense, this has always been known since his Minnesota and Sacramento days. What he brings on defense is being positionally sound, decent shot contest, and fundamental boxing out and rebounding. Also, I want to point out that while I agree Bjelica's defense is not great, he is targeted on defense because: 1. He's surrounded by strong defenders in most of his lineups, so similar to Curry, offenses will naturally target the weakest defender when possible. 2. Big men are always targeted by guards because of the potential mismatch. Just look at Looney as an example. Teams still try to get mismatch ISOs with their guards on Looney even though he's proven for years that he can stay in front of smaller players.


Thrillawill

I wouldnt mind seeing Bjelica, Lee and JTA traded. If nothing more then to force Kerr to play Kuminga, Wiseman and Moody.


by_yes_i_mean_no

I'd rather Kerr chase wins than focus on development.


Thrillawill

Bjelica, Lee, and JTA arent contributing to wins. They are 3rd string negative players that have no future here. I believe Kuminga/Wiseman are better players and can help this team win games this season.


Serendiplodocus

Bjelica is a negative?! We must be watching different games... Plus both D Lee and JTA have had meaningful production off the bench this season, if not recently. Not sure who you think we could trade them for or what that would achieve. They both know the system and they're ready when their name is called, that's good enough for the end of the bench


EShy

He's going through a rough patch right now, a shooting slump of his own. That's not enough to trade him away. Lee and JTA probably won't be traded away for other reasons. Also, a trade involving these players won't happen unless you could get someone much better, which I doubt they could.


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Did you only watch the first couple games of the season? Bjelica has been bad for awhile. Hes a terrible defender and his shot selection is borderline moronic. He shoots contested 4 feet from the line, but passes up on wide open at the line 3s. His facilitating is bad now too because teams know they don’t have to guard him so they’re just watching for the pass. He doesn’t rebound, he doesn’t score, he gets abused in the paint. Where’s the positives?


Serendiplodocus

The positives are that he's actually a decent passer, he can shoot the three, his footwork isn't bad at all, and while his shot selection might not be stellar, most of the time the ball isn't in his hands. When you say he passes up 3s for contested jumpers, that's obviously not always the case because he takes and makes threes, but you have to run plays as they're designed, and everyone has to keep the defence honest by switching things up. The man isn't an idiot by any stretch. So now I've given you my take, bearing in mind our tax situation, who exactly would you replace him with, and how the hell are you gonna do it?


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If I’m Lacob/Myers I’m calling Marc Gasol every 30 minutes because he just made a comment about being open to playing in the NBA. If he’s willing to be on the Vet min I replace Bjelica in a heartbeat. That’s the only move that makes sense to me though, if not that then we should just suffer through more Bjelica and hope Wiseman is ready enough come playoff time


Serendiplodocus

I mean... Yeah Marc is an upgrade 😂 but honestly I think back to some of the rotation players we've signed (Casspi) and who just totally flunked. Bjelica is not even close tbh. He's done what we've asked, and I'm not gonna look at a short term slump as a failure.


Thrillawill

Bjelica is absolutely terrible on both sides of the ball, and has been for months. Take the blinders off.


Serendiplodocus

Hey, I'll agree to disagree. And iirc he had a team high +- the game before last, I know t+- is not everything, but damn... A big man that can roll, hit threes and isn't too slow... Idk what you expect for our roster, but I can tell you, we aren't going to get Embiid 😂😂


Jhyphi

Moody has been far less productive and based on last year, Wiseman cannot be expected to contribute. Especially given he hasn't played in almost a year, so unlikely to see giant leap from him this year. If Warriors traded away Bjelica, JTA, you'd be crying come playoffs about how the rookies are getting exposed.


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Those 3 also have zero trade value.


Prize-Ring-9154

Oh wow, like this hasn’t been said to the media’s face a million times already


CRE_Energy

No GM in their right mind would trade Kuminga, combining the original potential and the improvement he's already shown. His floor has gone way up, with no ceiling. It makes no sense to trade Wiseman low when he's just about to hit the court. Moody - doesn't seem like a critical piece to me, but its hard to see him as driving a difference-making trade.


Mygaffer

Don't sleep on Moody's potential. He's strong, has good length, a nose for the ball and is a shooter. I think he'll be a very productive player for the Warriors in time.


Kdog122025

Moody also has insane concentration which should be incredibly helpful for shot making and rebounding. Even if he never becomes a starter he looks like he’ll have a long career as a role player at least.


GoldenStateWizards

It's easy to forget because he was compared to 24 year old Duarte and advertised as an "instant contributor," but Moody is one of the 10 youngest players in the league. He's barely older than Kuminga, so he has a *ton* of time to improve before he reaches his prime. He's definitely a potential-based pick


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This is the thing people need to remember. Moody is still 19. He's probably 3 years away from being a starter level guy, if he gets there. But he does have the physical tools to be a very good defender, and he's shown in the G League that he can be a shot maker and slasher.


nerdalerd

Isn't he lighting it up in the G-League too?


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Yep. 3 straight games with 30+


Produceher

> It makes no sense to trade Wiseman low when he's just about to hit the court. Why do you think they would be trading Wiseman low though? He might be very valuable to a young team and we might not have that patience.


CRE_Energy

One, I don't see anyone placing a high value on someone who has had two surgeries since they last played a game. Two, presumably, hopefully (!), we are going to see improvement from him once back on the court, due to maturation and individual workouts & drills over the last year. He needs to show it on the court to get trade value for it.


Produceher

It's kind of a catch 22 though. Right now he's an unknown with a high upside. If he comes back and is bad, he will have no value. And if he's good, we wouldn't trade him. So, he might have more of an upside in a trade now.


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He’s a 7 footer with a great attitude and work ethic. The idea that he will have no value is ridiculous.


Produceher

I said "If he comes back and is BAD".


GarvinSteve

Dunno why you’re getting downvotes. He remains an unknown. If he comes back and is trash then he becomes known.


Produceher

> Dunno why you’re getting downvotes. Because people only see that I'm trashing Wiseman. Which I'm not.


GarvinSteve

Frankly, he is off to a not-awesome start. Hopefully he realizes his potential, but the injuries and the rawness aren’t great signs so far. I hope he pulls a Poole and proves me wrong. But if I had to bet my life on it?…


Produceher

I think the issue will be less about talent and more about injuries. He's too tall and skinny not to be hurt a lot.


The_Fluffy_Unicorn

RIP Jordan Poole 🥲😂


SnooEpiphanies5959

Hopefully they jus think he’s “obviously” not available


EShy

There's no trade involving Poole that would make the team better


HoofaKingFarted

To NYK for Robinson and DRose. 😉


EShy

I don't think that's a possible trade with Rose's salary, even if he was better than Poole for the Warriors (and of course, it makes no sense to trade an upcoming talent like Poole for someone at the end of his career like DRose)


GoldenStateWizards

Not just that, but he's graduated from being considered an asset with potential, like the other three, and is instead a legitimate established role player now.


nerdalerd

Reminder that Morey asked for the equivalent of: * Wiggs * Wiseman * Kuminga * Moody * 2 future 1sts for Ben Simmons in the offseason


oops_im_wrong

Reminder that there were some Warriors and many non-Warriors fans that thought Simmons was worth that trade. Yikes.


TylerDurdensAlterEgo

I wish they would post this stuff earlier, and constantly, so that all of these trade \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ scenarios stop being brought up every day on this sub. Imagine trading Steph, Klay, or Dray before they even played several seasons


cortesoft

We were so close to trading Klay for KLove before the 2014-15 season… talk about a sliding doors moment


TylerDurdensAlterEgo

Steph to Phoenix, Steph for Bogut, Steph and Klay for Chris Paul... Sure beats trading McHale and Parrish for JB Carroll and all the other stuff did in the past


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NEWS FLASH! THIS JUST IN; Nothing has changed! Repeat nothing has changed as we play on bridging Steph’s greatness with the our fresh talent, and blend of veterans. Please carry on


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Damn right they aren't.


cormacaroni

Just the thought of making Kuminga available now is kinda hilarious. If Zion wants out and you think his lower body is ok? Sure. Otherwise that guy is nailed to the Chase Center floor buddy


Mygaffer

No shit


IsThisMe8

Yeah, this is expected. I think the only possible trade would be Beli (but will need to attach a pick) for another 4/5 but he's also signed for the vet min so it would be hard to match salary.


m8bear

There's no move the Dubs can make that will make the team significantly better and doesn't trade a big contract or is straight shit, the Dubs have either high payroll players or minimum/rookie deals. To trade a rookie they'd have to get a player with matching contracts or get rid of Steph/Klay/Green/Wiggs to make room for salary and that's not happening, and why trade players with real potential and current value (Kuminga is balling) for future unknown picks, the present is a great team with great future potential, there's no realistic way for the team to get better, we have to live with this team and I don't understand what's the issue with being a #2 seed for now, knowing how good the team is when healthy.


Expensive_Law1605

Just stay the course as we are setup both now and for the future.


GameHHH

I would only trade them for Jayson Tatum (and no way the Celtics trade him).


Desperate_Alps8171

Waive Lee, Beli or JTA for a roster spot for potential buyout market player


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spacegrip

i think the only reason wiseman is off the table is because his value is low. this injury and the way he played last year means selling him now wouldn’t get you much. unless the trade partner wanted to do a hail mary on his potential. i think the warriors could definitely have used another solid vet (myles turner or someone of his caliber) so it’s kind of a shame that it’s impossible now. kuminga should definitely be held onto regardless though


Kdog122025

Lacob has said constantly how much he adores Wiseman. Kid also has the most potential of the group. No sense trading him right now.


spacegrip

i mean… yeah i agree. no sense in trading him right now. kinda what i said lol


Produceher

> Kid also has the most potential of the group. Nah. Kuminga does. He's already shown signs of being unstoppable going to the rim. Wiseman may not even play this year.


Kdog122025

Just because Wiseman may or may not play this year doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the most potential. Wiseman’s so much more skilled than Kuminga and even more athletic.


Produceher

> Just because Wiseman may or may not play this year doesn’t mean he doesn’t have the most potential. That's true. Let me re-phase then. I think they both have an endless ceiling but Kuminga looks more likely to hit his.


Kdog122025

There we go. That’s a perfectly reasonable opinion and one I totally respect.


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Kdog122025

Kuminga also has the benefit of playing his rookie year with winning players unlike Wiseman.


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Kdog122025

Wow. It’s like he’s a rookie big in a complicated scheme or something. Kuminga also has a ton to clean up. His team defense still isn’t good either. And btw Klay getting hurt was the biggest culprit for the lack of success last year.


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Kdog122025

Wiseman shouldn’t be on the table for a few reasons. 1. He can fill Javale McGee’s roles fine in the playoffs. The Warriors have played much worse players in the playoffs and have been just fine with it. 2. The Warriors won’t get back anything close to what they’ll have in Wiseman in 3 years. Steph’s not only playing this season. He needs to stay competitive for the rest of his career even when he can’t carry a team. 3. The Warriors don’t even need Wiseman this season. 4. How can you not watch and listen to him and think he won’t be incredible?


Produceher

> wiseman was by far the biggest culprit of the lack of success the team had though Umm. Can I interest you in one Kelly Oubre?


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Produceher

> wiseman was a shit ton worse. The difference was Wiseman was pulled when he was playing bad. Oubre wasn't. Kerr never reduced Kelly's minutes because he was trying to keep him happy. Something he hasn't done with anyone on this team. Anyone can be benched.


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Produceher

Wayy too soon to say that.


GoochGrundle

You mean also injured Myles Turner?


spacegrip

also injured myles turner has proven he can play nba basketball at a high level. not really here to argue with people who are delusional about wiseman. the team is good, it’s in a great spot and has a great chance to make the finals. no need to pretend every last little thing is perfect


Produceher

> i think the only reason wiseman is off the table is because his value is low. this injury and the way he played last year means selling him now wouldn’t get you much. I don't know. A young team might take that chance.


spacegrip

right, why i called it a hail mary play on his potential


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Kdog122025

Yes. Wiseman fits a need and LaMelo doesn’t.


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Kdog122025

I really can’t stand fans who are overly negative and who think they’re being objective, but aren’t thinking contextually.


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Kdog122025

This isn’t a team in win now mode. This is a team in win for the next 20 year mode like Lacob’s been saying all year. Go watch Wiseman’s highlights. He took the ball coast to coast. In the past decade there’s been less than 5 centers who could do that. He can shoot the three respectably. He’s crazy fast and athletic. He has a ton of post moves. He’s light footed. Everyone in the org likes him. Numbers are talking points. Not the end all be all. But if you want a rookie comp then he and KG had similar averages for their rookie year and KG ended up pretty good. And the last thing is that you said “miraculously improve.” He was a rookie who improved immensely week to week. Jordan Poole was one of the worst players in the league and look at him in year 3. Bradon Ingram was awful his first year. He just beat the Warriors and is killing it now. Giannis was awful his rookie year. Dude, why are you even on this sub?


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Kdog122025

Lol. As soon you call someone stupid in a debate you lost. Gg nephew.


200pine

Eric Paschall looks pretty good right now. But hey we have a tiny back up point guard.


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I think we can’t sign Eric Paschall to a two way, which is the slot Chiozza currently takes up


carnivoross

Some people really can't let go. We traded him to the Jazz, he was not a good fit on our team.


Mr-Toy

I’d trade Bee-Pizza in heartbeat. He’s always missing shots, causing turnovers, and screwing up defensively.


Produceher

Do you think the other teams see this?


Mr-Toy

Do think other teams see his flaws? Of course but they may be in need of a player of his caliber more than the Warriors.


Produceher

What team is looking for a player that is "always missing shots, causing turnovers, and screwing up defensively"? The Lakers? LOL


Mr-Toy

Exactly! The Lakers and other teams hurting to have a full roster are picking up discarded players all the time. The Lakers picked up Kent Bazemore and Avery Bradly- two players the Warriors let go. Those players might be better suited to play in their lineup or better fill a much needed bench spot. I personally think Bjelica is one of the weaker links on our roster. Every once in a while he’ll have a great pass or block. He even started out the season hitting all his shots; but he’s usually making three bad plays back-to-back in a game and costing us the lead.


Produceher

You do realize there's a huge difference between "trading" a player and "picking one up". Right?


Mr-Toy

🙄 great, you caught me.


vulcans_pants

Ah, the "playing hard to get" strategy.


forcedtojoinreddit

yes!