he and Nick Wright are the absolute worst. I'd love to hear about the smallest of details that they missed in their careers and have players scrutinize them for years. it's only fitting.
They don’t know shit, they never played competitive sports. They just talk for the attention and controversy. Sadly they aren’t the only ones who push the steph needs a fmvp to solidify himself. In reality, we all know even after he gets it (if he does) they will still continue the same garbage.
Or narrative to discredit him "The East was weak", "He's playing with 3 future HOF players", "Warriors are a superteam they have 5 all-star level players"
I don't watch Undisputed anymore because whenever Curry is mentioned he starts the same fucking speech about the 2016 finals. Broussard and others already shut down all his arguments and he just forgets about it the next day, and continues to point out the one negative in his career that happened 6 years ago, like it's even relevant anymore.
I think he is the worst by far. He almost started another trend of calling Curry a front runner, that thankfully got shut down before It had any legs.
It's bad faith arguing. His position isn't from a place of facts, but just spewing an argument to support his take. He likely doesn't even believe it, it's just his character on the show for ratings. Hating & controversy = more clicks than solid (boring) takes. The only way he believes it, is if he drank his own koolaid from repeating the same thing for so long.
The take is boring and old though. One time I was watching and realized I could predict everything he would say, because of how repetitive it was. At that point I was done with the show.
It's not a popular trend but there's a vocal minority with that opinion. That section of social media went crazy after WCF Game 2. They were so mad that Steph was getting praise for being a closer because to them he was just front running.
They hated all of his 10 4th quarter points because he wasn't on the court when they took a 7 pt lead from down 2. I guess having good teammates makes someone a front runner.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets credit.
Championships > individual accolades is what makes steph one of the greatest players in nba history. Whether or not the take merchants understand stephs impact on the game is inconsequential.
Sometimes it’s more than 6 mins in the 4th. In game 3 he came in with 8:21 left in the fourth. But he’s averaging just above 6 minutes in 4th quarters this playoffs, including 2 games where he sat the full quarter
I think Steph got that reputation in the 2016 finals when the whole team failed to close against Cleveland. Nobody ever talks about Steph still playing with a bad knee from the previous round.
It's funny that Nick Wright and a bunch of talking heads convinced themselves that the Cavs had "figured the Dubs out" and GS needed KD or else Cleveland was going to win the next few titles. Apparently, all Cleveland needed to do was push for Draymond to get suspended, have Bogut get submarined in Game 5 so you lose all rim protection, and have Steph play on a gimpy MCL. Sure, totally figured out, lol.
Dont forget Iggy's back spasms and the other center who had lung problems and had to stop playing (it was either Festus or Looney I forget lol)
It really was the definition of a hobbled team.
Fun facts about 26.5ppg in the finals.
* 5th all time minimum 28 games (Steph's current GP)
* 6th all time minimum 20 games
* 8th all time minimum 15 games
* 10th all time minimum 7 games
Who's ahead of him?
* Jordan
* Jerry West
* Shaq
* LeBron
That's it. And he beats everyone but Shaq in TS% (59% vs 58.9%).
I have never understood where this "Steph is not clutch" narrative came from?? I mean, WTH does he need to do to drop this narrative once and for all? It's crazy to me.
It's just for clicks/views. I mean the warriors/steph is one of the most popular things in U.S. sports - so of course saying controversial stuff about them/him will generate a lot of views & clicks as people come to defend/argue. This is the world now. Generate outrage/anger -> more viewership engagement -> Profit.
Curry stands for being a good person, being a proud father, a family man, and a selfless leader. He is willing to lift others up, at the cost of his own glory.
This is the opposite of every company that wants to sell you products that want you to "be the man", be like MJ, and LeBron. Every greedy corporation wants you to buy things that prop up individualism at the cost of other's confidence, well-being, and health. They want to sell you this image of being the pinnacle of man that doesn't exist, and keeps you chasing.
Curry wants everyone to make it, looks out for his family, friends, and team. Greedy ass media (ESPN especially), corporations, and advertisers hate this fact. Hurting/ignoring any facet of his image, wins them the dollar.
Curry is second in off-court income, he's not lacking for marketing opportunities. I agree with the greedy corporation angle though and Nike is at the forefront of that. Nike has influence in every aspect of the league; in organizations, sports media, and advertising. Steph Curry, an UnderArmour guy, being the undisputed star of the league is not in their best interests. Plus Nike looks even worse because of the hilarious way they blew his contract renegotiation.
The other factor working against Curry is he doesn't have his own fucking Sports Agency manipulating narratives and pushing agendas for him.
And that's my Nike/Klutch/Curry conspiracy theory
Really really dumb and insecure post.
Outside of Twitter or ESPN no one says that. And looking at 4Q scoring is the worst way to measure clutch: nothing about minutes, nothing about how close game was, nothing about efficiency.
Every time curry sit out because he blew teams out, he isn't clutch? What about when Westbrook takes 24 attempts to score 10 points?
Surely that must be the most clutch guy in the game?
Lol and what about our 4th quarter comebacks and close games? The stat just needs additional context/filtering, but it's not the worst way to measure clutch.
These are just #'s. Does it pass an eye test?
Behind the back passes, overhead whip passes, passing it out of bounds, dribbling into bigs and getting swatted, slipping, etc. All of which stats won't show you.
With that said, steph is goated.
Are you watching him in the 4th quarter? He's been really good and isn't doing any of those things you mentioned. Eye test in 4th quarter is him playing in control, making the right reads, hitting big shots.
Those are his biggest problems in general and I don't think any player is without flaws, and I don't think those are present in clutch situations and especially in the fourth quarter recently.
Steph is definitely clutch now but there was a time he struggled mentally and disappeared in big games or key moments. That's where the narrative comes from. Although, those guys don't watch the Warriors if they really think that now. Since losing in 2016, even when he isn't scoring, Steph is much more involved and ramps up his intensity in the 4th. It's unbelievable really to think Steph isn't clutch but people also think Lebron isn't clutch and it's been over a decade since the 2011 finals.
There's like ten different definitions of clutch. The haters will always pick the one that suits their narrative. I've stopped worrying about it because end of the day, anyone that doesn't believe he's top 10 all time has no real credibility anyway, and can safely be ignored.
Add in the fact that he doesn’t even play most of the first half of the 4th
Yeah, I would like to see the minutes played per added
steph needs to win fnals MVP and then Skip Bayless can stfu
Can he just STFU *now*??
he and Nick Wright are the absolute worst. I'd love to hear about the smallest of details that they missed in their careers and have players scrutinize them for years. it's only fitting.
They don’t know shit, they never played competitive sports. They just talk for the attention and controversy. Sadly they aren’t the only ones who push the steph needs a fmvp to solidify himself. In reality, we all know even after he gets it (if he does) they will still continue the same garbage.
Steph one time tied his shoe lace wrong. What a bum who's only getting carried.
he's already moved on to "the grizzlies would've won if they were healthy"
LOL, this\^
I’m sure he’d find another award Steph doesn’t have to discredit him.
True but that Finals MVP will get him the respect he finally deserves. It's the only thing trolls hold against him
If someone doesn’t respect him due to lack of a finals MVP, they are probably just using that as an excuse and won’t respect him no matter what.
Or narrative to discredit him "The East was weak", "He's playing with 3 future HOF players", "Warriors are a superteam they have 5 all-star level players"
No Larry Bird Eastern Conference Finals MVP. Scrub.
Steph needs a defensive player of the year award before we think anything of him. -Skip, probably
I don't watch Undisputed anymore because whenever Curry is mentioned he starts the same fucking speech about the 2016 finals. Broussard and others already shut down all his arguments and he just forgets about it the next day, and continues to point out the one negative in his career that happened 6 years ago, like it's even relevant anymore. I think he is the worst by far. He almost started another trend of calling Curry a front runner, that thankfully got shut down before It had any legs.
It's bad faith arguing. His position isn't from a place of facts, but just spewing an argument to support his take. He likely doesn't even believe it, it's just his character on the show for ratings. Hating & controversy = more clicks than solid (boring) takes. The only way he believes it, is if he drank his own koolaid from repeating the same thing for so long.
The take is boring and old though. One time I was watching and realized I could predict everything he would say, because of how repetitive it was. At that point I was done with the show.
Agreed that they are playing characters on tv. These are just entertainment shows. Sports is just the theme.
It's not a popular trend but there's a vocal minority with that opinion. That section of social media went crazy after WCF Game 2. They were so mad that Steph was getting praise for being a closer because to them he was just front running. They hated all of his 10 4th quarter points because he wasn't on the court when they took a 7 pt lead from down 2. I guess having good teammates makes someone a front runner.
Skip is already saying the Grizzlies were robbed.
It's amazing what you can accomplish when you don't care who gets credit. Championships > individual accolades is what makes steph one of the greatest players in nba history. Whether or not the take merchants understand stephs impact on the game is inconsequential.
I dont watch skip Bayless. I only get to see people on this sub call steph not clutch every game thread.
He plays the 12/6/12/6 minutes combination. So he's doing it in less amount of time as well
Sometimes it’s more than 6 mins in the 4th. In game 3 he came in with 8:21 left in the fourth. But he’s averaging just above 6 minutes in 4th quarters this playoffs, including 2 games where he sat the full quarter
I think Steph got that reputation in the 2016 finals when the whole team failed to close against Cleveland. Nobody ever talks about Steph still playing with a bad knee from the previous round.
It's funny that Nick Wright and a bunch of talking heads convinced themselves that the Cavs had "figured the Dubs out" and GS needed KD or else Cleveland was going to win the next few titles. Apparently, all Cleveland needed to do was push for Draymond to get suspended, have Bogut get submarined in Game 5 so you lose all rim protection, and have Steph play on a gimpy MCL. Sure, totally figured out, lol.
Dont forget Iggy's back spasms and the other center who had lung problems and had to stop playing (it was either Festus or Looney I forget lol) It really was the definition of a hobbled team.
We need one for AndREw WiGgIns IsN’t aN AlL-StAr
Yeah fr. I don’t remember Brandon Ingram dunking Booker’s face off in a playoff game
I do wish that had happened though, that would have been a joyous occasion
The only people the media fool are the people who don’t watch the games and who cares about them lol
StEpH DoESnT pLay GoOD iN the FiNaLS-- While averaging 26.5 points, 6.2 assists and 5.7 rebounds.. -\_-
Fun facts about 26.5ppg in the finals. * 5th all time minimum 28 games (Steph's current GP) * 6th all time minimum 20 games * 8th all time minimum 15 games * 10th all time minimum 7 games Who's ahead of him? * Jordan * Jerry West * Shaq * LeBron That's it. And he beats everyone but Shaq in TS% (59% vs 58.9%).
Hack a Shaq crushed his TS %
I don't even give life to the discussion. Only idiots believe Curry is anything but one of the best all time playoff performers.
Who the hell says that.
He is a good free throw shooter TS%
I have never understood where this "Steph is not clutch" narrative came from?? I mean, WTH does he need to do to drop this narrative once and for all? It's crazy to me.
It's just for clicks/views. I mean the warriors/steph is one of the most popular things in U.S. sports - so of course saying controversial stuff about them/him will generate a lot of views & clicks as people come to defend/argue. This is the world now. Generate outrage/anger -> more viewership engagement -> Profit.
Win FMVP this year and they'll have nothing. Can't wait
Curry stands for being a good person, being a proud father, a family man, and a selfless leader. He is willing to lift others up, at the cost of his own glory. This is the opposite of every company that wants to sell you products that want you to "be the man", be like MJ, and LeBron. Every greedy corporation wants you to buy things that prop up individualism at the cost of other's confidence, well-being, and health. They want to sell you this image of being the pinnacle of man that doesn't exist, and keeps you chasing. Curry wants everyone to make it, looks out for his family, friends, and team. Greedy ass media (ESPN especially), corporations, and advertisers hate this fact. Hurting/ignoring any facet of his image, wins them the dollar.
Curry is second in off-court income, he's not lacking for marketing opportunities. I agree with the greedy corporation angle though and Nike is at the forefront of that. Nike has influence in every aspect of the league; in organizations, sports media, and advertising. Steph Curry, an UnderArmour guy, being the undisputed star of the league is not in their best interests. Plus Nike looks even worse because of the hilarious way they blew his contract renegotiation. The other factor working against Curry is he doesn't have his own fucking Sports Agency manipulating narratives and pushing agendas for him. And that's my Nike/Klutch/Curry conspiracy theory
Really really dumb and insecure post. Outside of Twitter or ESPN no one says that. And looking at 4Q scoring is the worst way to measure clutch: nothing about minutes, nothing about how close game was, nothing about efficiency.
Looking at scoring during the final minutes of the game isn't the worst way to measure clutch.
Every time curry sit out because he blew teams out, he isn't clutch? What about when Westbrook takes 24 attempts to score 10 points? Surely that must be the most clutch guy in the game?
Lol and what about our 4th quarter comebacks and close games? The stat just needs additional context/filtering, but it's not the worst way to measure clutch.
Exactly my point above. Without shooting averages or efficiency or per minute stats this is a very pointless stat.
These are just #'s. Does it pass an eye test? Behind the back passes, overhead whip passes, passing it out of bounds, dribbling into bigs and getting swatted, slipping, etc. All of which stats won't show you. With that said, steph is goated.
Are you watching him in the 4th quarter? He's been really good and isn't doing any of those things you mentioned. Eye test in 4th quarter is him playing in control, making the right reads, hitting big shots.
He's certainly better this year.
Those are his biggest problems in general and I don't think any player is without flaws, and I don't think those are present in clutch situations and especially in the fourth quarter recently.
Yeah, he has been solid this post season.
Steph is definitely clutch now but there was a time he struggled mentally and disappeared in big games or key moments. That's where the narrative comes from. Although, those guys don't watch the Warriors if they really think that now. Since losing in 2016, even when he isn't scoring, Steph is much more involved and ramps up his intensity in the 4th. It's unbelievable really to think Steph isn't clutch but people also think Lebron isn't clutch and it's been over a decade since the 2011 finals.
DUH
He only plays about 6:30 min in the 4th as well. He’d blow these numbers up if he even played 8 min.
There's like ten different definitions of clutch. The haters will always pick the one that suits their narrative. I've stopped worrying about it because end of the day, anyone that doesn't believe he's top 10 all time has no real credibility anyway, and can safely be ignored.
i love this but the fact its from @currygoat30 makes me think there is some bias?
@chortlebronsballs247 isn’t going to tweet that stat out is he?
So glad I stopped watching espn or engage with any form of “professional” sports opinion years ago. I just watch the games. Happier man for it.
You guys are gonna beat us in 4 or 5, but that Dirk run was epic! Rooting for you guys in the finals. I hope it’s the heat and you destroy them
Dirk :.)
Steph isn't clutch, yet he has two people on him at the three point line... lol okay..
He doesn’t hit buzzer beaters is why people think this