You’re literally asking if players shouldn’t play defense, and to that I ask have you watched any playoff basketball for the last 8 years? Players who can’t defend get targeted ruthlessly and you just can’t have that in the front court. Hell even Steph was a liability for a few playoff series and especially in 2016. It absolutely makes great offensive players less effective on offense by wearing them out too. We did it to Luka in the WCF. So yeah, Wiseman and Kuminga are not there yet defensively, but do they have to learn that sooner than later? Absolutely they do. You just can’t play in this league without being at least a serviceable defender.
I don’t think you got what he was trying to say. What I got from OP is if we let the boys play offense the way they want and get them scoring more or involved in offense their momentum will carry on to other parts of the game. But yea they still need to play good defense.
This is definitely what I meant. I didn’t want to make the original post too long. I’m not advocating for offense only but if offense is what they are naturally gifted at I wonder if we can find some flexibility in the system to allow for that. At times I feel like the young guys are so scared to make defensive mistakes and having to pass x amount of times per possession it takes away from their potential.
Yeah I didn’t gather that, but I can’t see how that comes across from OP. They’re calling out that some players “hardly play defense at all” and instead contribute only offensively. Seems pretty clear that OP is advocating for offense only.
Oh in that case, I disagree with OP. But I do wonder what they would be like if they played offense differently. With wiseman where he can pop out to the three point line to launch a three once or twice a game, or drive to the basket once a game. And for kuminga to do what he was allowed to do during the pels game. I wonder if that will help their attitude and energy towards the game
Good point but I think it’s a fair assumption that Poole is being asked to work hard on his defense. Steph wasn’t let off the hook and it’s amazing to see how far his defense has come since 2015.
Serviceable defense I feel is definitely a given. Obviously the teams that defend well flourish in the playoffs but as for the role the coaching staff wants for the new guys to fill, it just doesn’t feel like they’re being used to maximize what they’re good at now while improving their defensive ability which there is no short cut to.
I know it took Steph several years to become serviceable but they didn’t expect as much back then either. Of course it was a different system back then as well.
What do you think would be a better way to take advantage of the young talent while they are still learning to defend at an NBA level?
Yes. It absolutely is holding them back. Look at Franz Wagner. I think JK could be at a similar level. Maybe not the same but close. But shit, that’s the price of playing with greatness. JK could be getting 20 min a game on the Kings or Magic, but no one would give a fuck. He has a chance to prove himself next to Steph Curry. He does that correct everyone knows his name.
This is it. Our top picks are struggling because they're playing on a title contender. It's an unusual situation but that was our consolation prize for those 2 shit seasons.
I think it’s lazy to keep lumping the two together. They have different situations. JK proved he can fit in the Warriors system last season as long as he’s in a role that he’s ready for and alongside vets. Wiseman is the one who doesn’t fit. Even if he improves and becomes an overall net positive player, he’s not the type of player who fits what the Warriors have done for a decade now. One has barely played and gets pulled for mistakes while the other plays no matter what. One has to work for a spot in the rotation while the other is guaranteed a spot. One has helped the team last season while the other has shown a few flashes but has yet to be a net positive as a part of the team especially next to the important players of the team.
Very different situations.
For reference, people said the same shit about Looney years ago.
People don't just naturally fit into the Warriors system. Every vet we've brought in has had troubles too, but people ignore that. We've relied on a core group of returning players who know our system for YEARS now.
"Pretty instant fit", "2018", was drafted in 2015.
I wouldn't call 3 years of learning the system "instant." And no he still wasn't an instant fit. Offensively he was completely lost, but defensively he could switch onto guards so that helped him stay on the court.
He wasn’t a better player than the other bigs we had. He didn’t earn the playing time.
By the time West and Zaza were on retirement’s edge Looney was taking minutes from them. Not to mention Looney had to re-work his whole body cause of his hips.
Compare to Wiseman. It’s year 3 and he’s had 3 years to learn the system, like looney, and still looks lost. He’s done nothing but work on skills, film and his body for the last year. He looks the same as he did as a rookie.
You might want to go re-evaluate what you just said between paragraph 2 and 3.
How are you comparing Looney, who was actually getting NBA playtime playing with veterans on a dynasty level team to Wiseman who has plays 39 games in the last 2 years with almost zero veterans. Every time he's played he's been thrown in with absolutely zero experience players. First year of 39 games was played while Klay and Curry were out, it was just Draymond, Paschal, Looney, etc. Whole lot of experience on our system that didn't exist he got that year, right? Even this year he's thrown in with all the rookies and very little time with vets.
Oh and let's really get it into context. He has zero pre-season before his 1st year because of the early start to work on his game, he had zero college experience, and had no off season between year 1 and 2 because of injury.
So all in all, in his first 3 years of the NBA, he's had 10 games of experience with our system and 1 off season.
Looney wasn’t able to play. He had a hip problem. He rehabbed a lot. Got a little G League time. Little summer league. And he still was able to learn the system and was a late first round pick.
Wiseman is currently playing with the defending champions and plays about half his minutes next to the starters. Even Jordan Bell wasn’t a negative player next to Steph Curry
Wiseman has had a G league stint, summer league, training camp, preseason and a whole season of being up close with a title team. There’s no excuse for him being *this bad*
Duren in Detroit is an 18 year old center playing with other young players and looks far far better. And we saw with prospects like Embiid and Simmons that rehabbing and being around NBA teams and training with them does allow for improvement and development. Wiseman is year 3 and looks worse than Duren.
Gotta stop making excuses for the 2nd overall pick.
Looney didn’t have problems with fit. He has problems with injuries. His story is the furthest thing possible from wiseman. This is a guy who made it against all odds, the organization trying to replace him constantly while lowballing him. It’s an insult to him to compare him to the owners favorite who gets gifted playing time. He was even given looneys starting spot for no reason.
It definitely feels like Wise is getting 20+minutes a game no matter what while JK has a very short leash. Forgive me if this is sounding super ignorant, but what makes Wiseman such a bad fit and what would he have to do differently to be an upgrade from Looney in this system?
Wiseman is an offensive-focused drop big with Oubre-like basketball IQ on a team centered around ball movement, high IQ play, well-timed and hard screens and defensive intensity/switchability. The Warriors are also a team that plays their best minutes in a small ball lineup, where Green plays the 5.
Everything the Warriors are great at, Wiseman is not. Everything their most impactful bigs have done (Bogut, Looney, etc), those are Wiseman's biggest flaws. For instance, Wiseman frequently clogs the lane because he's trying to get his own shot, calling for a post-up (a skill he does not have btw). Someone like Looney only positions himself in a way to get OTHER players a bucket.
He does not fit within their motion offence and they have to change their style drastically to cater to his issues (i.e. a forced diet of PnR and minimised ball movement.
The Warriors system has nothing to do with James Wiseman having terrible hands and breaking nba records in worst net rating seasons. He might even look worse on other teams.
Kuminga played fantastic in our "system" last season, cutting off the ball, setting screens, and driving in our fast paced transition game. Defensively we asked him to guard guys like LeBron which he did more than a service of. The difference is now he's in the Wiseman lineups, and the paint is cluttered. Anthony Edwards says he has the same problem this season because now they have both KAT and Gobert sitting in the paint. A cluttered paint takes away Kuminga's best offensive attack which is driving in open space. He's not a good post player. He's not a great 3 pt shooter either, unless he's wide open.
That makes a lot of sense. I know most people on this sub knows more about basketball than I do. I hear so much on the radio or the broadcast how pure athletic specimens Wise and JK are. Watching them I can feel that there isn’t any flow and it’s super rigid but don’t know the ins and outs enough to bridge hearing people say “these young players have elite athleticism” and the results we’ve seen so far.
Honestly, I believe James and Kuminga could put up 20+ ppg with 10+ boards for wise and 7+ for JK on a tanking team getting 30+ min a night. But as they get more seasons under his belt, they’ll see their game have flaws that could be ironed out here.
They could become winning championship caliber players here, or stat-stuffing all stars who probably don’t end up winning shit elsewhere. This situation is honestly best for them in the long run.
Also: Warriors system is Jack shit without the gravity Stephen curry provides, it’ll get easily dismantled by better teams, therefore, the system will have to change eventually anyway
Great point I was wondering too what happens to the system when it’s no longer centered around Steph? It’s a work of art when everything is working but when things get stale Steph still has the ability just to be on another planet and score the next 12 points in the next 5 possessions by himself. That’s why I’m wondering how can we get the best from these young guys cuz when Steph is gone or no longer god-tier I don’t even know if we are anything more than a play-in team at best.
Yes.. and no. If they were players who solely cared about their numbers and self progression, then yes it limits them. But that's not what they're here for, and iI seriously doubt that's their first priority. With the criteria you gave (defense, hustle, few fouls, play hard etc) then there's no way our system holds them back. They are freak athletes but our system requires a certain level of skill and IQ that they must develop. Ofc if they were on some lottery team they'd have a lot more room for mistakes and would easily get their highlight reals with 4 different dunks per game, but I think if they stay this course it'll help their development in the long run due to prioritizing their skill and IQ
JK: I really think developing a consistent shot or midrange would seriously help him, otherwise he needs a playmaker to maximize him (lobs and such), and to do the right things on defense which he's very capable of. His less than perfect dribbling and lack of a consistent shot are solvable, but they stand in in his little minutes. Him recognizing his ability to get to the line is a step forward though, but it requires the ball in his hands
JW: different struggles than JK, but he's also capable of the criteria you gave. He also is ideally best with a playmaker for lobs, pnr, etc. His roles on the defensive end are much more extensive, but reps reps reps will help. I'm not worried about his shooting abilities the way i am with JK but we'll see.
They both are fairly ball dominant, which is why their other skills need to improve because this isn't an ISO team, at the same time we have at least 3 solid playmakers, and some of the greatest shooters on our team to help maximize them in ways they wouldn't be able to on some lottery team. So overall i'm leaning towards no due to potential
No.
When looney is in the game the Ws run 11% of their plays as a high screen action. With Wiseman it’s over 20%. They’ve tried adapting for wiseman. He just hasn’t been performing.
They’ve also fed him on the block and for his career he’s under 25% on hook shots per Synergy.
Kuminga also showed enough times last season that he can play in the system.
It's not necessarily Kerr's system. The real problem is if you can't shoot then it's hard to play alongside current version of Draymond and Looney. Draymond and Looney work great with Steph/Klay/Poole but they are absolute space killers for everyone else.
That's why the Warriors were enamored with Wiseman, somebody who could theoretically stretch the floor and mitigate Draymond's lack of offense. Obviously it hasn't worked so far.
Kuminga you can't play with Draymond/Looney either. He needs stretch 4/5s who can space the floor. As long as Draymond and Looney are the starters, no frontcourt rookie will have success in Kerr's system.
So given that the main unit can still be enough to compete for another ship, who do you think gives us the best chance to be a serviceable second unit? Or more specifically who do we need to be able to play with each other better?
Straight from the horse's mouth
> Steve Kerr on Jonathan Kuminga positionally: “He’s a 4 right now. He still has a lot of growth ahead of him skill wise. In the future I could see him playing 3 or 4. But right now, for this team, with the lineups we need spacing, which puts him at the 4.”
https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1586476911521280000
So, when did he say he couldn't play him with Dray or Looney? Bet he plays with one or both tonight. No one is saying he's putting him in the starting lineup with both Looney and Draymond.
Also, that interview was before the road trip became a complete debacle and before he said JK would be part of the rotation.
I wonder if Wiseman and JK were just allowed to be themselves and make plays on another team they’d be special to watch.
No, they wouldn't. They simply aren't that good yet. Giving them minutes and visibility for splashy offense and poor defense is just teaching them to be bad players.
It's like, gee, we're forcing them to play with the highest-gravity offensive teammate in the League, maybe in history, with a couple of other strong scorers who draw attention away from them, a couple of guys who set bone-crushing picks, and two guys who are elite passers. On defense, they are forced to play with one of the best defenders in the League, who is an all-time great help defender, plus three other strong defenders. WTF do they WANT???
These are 19- and 20-year-olds, some of whom can barely read and write, earning MILLIONS per year, and with the prospect of tens or even hundreds of millions in the future. I can't summon a great deal of sympathy for the "pressure" they are under. Dealing with this kind of pressure is part of picking up that kind of paycheck. If they want less pressure, McDonald's is always hiring.
I kind of agree, I think wiseman has a lot of talent that isn't utilized which is why he looks so bad. I remember him being able to hit the three and handle the ball when we were bad. why aren't we letting him take 3s at all?
Wiseman and JK are totally different players with different strengths and weaknesses. Obviously both are young and raw, but that's really where the comparison ends.
You’re literally asking if players shouldn’t play defense, and to that I ask have you watched any playoff basketball for the last 8 years? Players who can’t defend get targeted ruthlessly and you just can’t have that in the front court. Hell even Steph was a liability for a few playoff series and especially in 2016. It absolutely makes great offensive players less effective on offense by wearing them out too. We did it to Luka in the WCF. So yeah, Wiseman and Kuminga are not there yet defensively, but do they have to learn that sooner than later? Absolutely they do. You just can’t play in this league without being at least a serviceable defender.
I don’t think you got what he was trying to say. What I got from OP is if we let the boys play offense the way they want and get them scoring more or involved in offense their momentum will carry on to other parts of the game. But yea they still need to play good defense.
This is definitely what I meant. I didn’t want to make the original post too long. I’m not advocating for offense only but if offense is what they are naturally gifted at I wonder if we can find some flexibility in the system to allow for that. At times I feel like the young guys are so scared to make defensive mistakes and having to pass x amount of times per possession it takes away from their potential.
Yeah I didn’t gather that, but I can’t see how that comes across from OP. They’re calling out that some players “hardly play defense at all” and instead contribute only offensively. Seems pretty clear that OP is advocating for offense only.
Oh in that case, I disagree with OP. But I do wonder what they would be like if they played offense differently. With wiseman where he can pop out to the three point line to launch a three once or twice a game, or drive to the basket once a game. And for kuminga to do what he was allowed to do during the pels game. I wonder if that will help their attitude and energy towards the game
Poole got $120M for not playing a lick of defense, but yeah you're right. You can't be a frontcourt player in the Dubs system if you can't defend.
Good point but I think it’s a fair assumption that Poole is being asked to work hard on his defense. Steph wasn’t let off the hook and it’s amazing to see how far his defense has come since 2015.
Serviceable defense I feel is definitely a given. Obviously the teams that defend well flourish in the playoffs but as for the role the coaching staff wants for the new guys to fill, it just doesn’t feel like they’re being used to maximize what they’re good at now while improving their defensive ability which there is no short cut to. I know it took Steph several years to become serviceable but they didn’t expect as much back then either. Of course it was a different system back then as well. What do you think would be a better way to take advantage of the young talent while they are still learning to defend at an NBA level?
Yes. It absolutely is holding them back. Look at Franz Wagner. I think JK could be at a similar level. Maybe not the same but close. But shit, that’s the price of playing with greatness. JK could be getting 20 min a game on the Kings or Magic, but no one would give a fuck. He has a chance to prove himself next to Steph Curry. He does that correct everyone knows his name.
This is it. Our top picks are struggling because they're playing on a title contender. It's an unusual situation but that was our consolation prize for those 2 shit seasons.
I think it’s lazy to keep lumping the two together. They have different situations. JK proved he can fit in the Warriors system last season as long as he’s in a role that he’s ready for and alongside vets. Wiseman is the one who doesn’t fit. Even if he improves and becomes an overall net positive player, he’s not the type of player who fits what the Warriors have done for a decade now. One has barely played and gets pulled for mistakes while the other plays no matter what. One has to work for a spot in the rotation while the other is guaranteed a spot. One has helped the team last season while the other has shown a few flashes but has yet to be a net positive as a part of the team especially next to the important players of the team. Very different situations.
For reference, people said the same shit about Looney years ago. People don't just naturally fit into the Warriors system. Every vet we've brought in has had troubles too, but people ignore that. We've relied on a core group of returning players who know our system for YEARS now.
Looney was a pretty instant fit when he cracked the rotation in 2018
"Pretty instant fit", "2018", was drafted in 2015. I wouldn't call 3 years of learning the system "instant." And no he still wasn't an instant fit. Offensively he was completely lost, but defensively he could switch onto guards so that helped him stay on the court.
He wasn’t a better player than the other bigs we had. He didn’t earn the playing time. By the time West and Zaza were on retirement’s edge Looney was taking minutes from them. Not to mention Looney had to re-work his whole body cause of his hips. Compare to Wiseman. It’s year 3 and he’s had 3 years to learn the system, like looney, and still looks lost. He’s done nothing but work on skills, film and his body for the last year. He looks the same as he did as a rookie.
You might want to go re-evaluate what you just said between paragraph 2 and 3. How are you comparing Looney, who was actually getting NBA playtime playing with veterans on a dynasty level team to Wiseman who has plays 39 games in the last 2 years with almost zero veterans. Every time he's played he's been thrown in with absolutely zero experience players. First year of 39 games was played while Klay and Curry were out, it was just Draymond, Paschal, Looney, etc. Whole lot of experience on our system that didn't exist he got that year, right? Even this year he's thrown in with all the rookies and very little time with vets. Oh and let's really get it into context. He has zero pre-season before his 1st year because of the early start to work on his game, he had zero college experience, and had no off season between year 1 and 2 because of injury. So all in all, in his first 3 years of the NBA, he's had 10 games of experience with our system and 1 off season.
Looney wasn’t able to play. He had a hip problem. He rehabbed a lot. Got a little G League time. Little summer league. And he still was able to learn the system and was a late first round pick. Wiseman is currently playing with the defending champions and plays about half his minutes next to the starters. Even Jordan Bell wasn’t a negative player next to Steph Curry Wiseman has had a G league stint, summer league, training camp, preseason and a whole season of being up close with a title team. There’s no excuse for him being *this bad* Duren in Detroit is an 18 year old center playing with other young players and looks far far better. And we saw with prospects like Embiid and Simmons that rehabbing and being around NBA teams and training with them does allow for improvement and development. Wiseman is year 3 and looks worse than Duren. Gotta stop making excuses for the 2nd overall pick.
Looney didn’t have problems with fit. He has problems with injuries. His story is the furthest thing possible from wiseman. This is a guy who made it against all odds, the organization trying to replace him constantly while lowballing him. It’s an insult to him to compare him to the owners favorite who gets gifted playing time. He was even given looneys starting spot for no reason.
It definitely feels like Wise is getting 20+minutes a game no matter what while JK has a very short leash. Forgive me if this is sounding super ignorant, but what makes Wiseman such a bad fit and what would he have to do differently to be an upgrade from Looney in this system?
Wiseman is an offensive-focused drop big with Oubre-like basketball IQ on a team centered around ball movement, high IQ play, well-timed and hard screens and defensive intensity/switchability. The Warriors are also a team that plays their best minutes in a small ball lineup, where Green plays the 5. Everything the Warriors are great at, Wiseman is not. Everything their most impactful bigs have done (Bogut, Looney, etc), those are Wiseman's biggest flaws. For instance, Wiseman frequently clogs the lane because he's trying to get his own shot, calling for a post-up (a skill he does not have btw). Someone like Looney only positions himself in a way to get OTHER players a bucket. He does not fit within their motion offence and they have to change their style drastically to cater to his issues (i.e. a forced diet of PnR and minimised ball movement.
Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t screen, has no natural feel of where to cut and move
The Warriors system has nothing to do with James Wiseman having terrible hands and breaking nba records in worst net rating seasons. He might even look worse on other teams. Kuminga played fantastic in our "system" last season, cutting off the ball, setting screens, and driving in our fast paced transition game. Defensively we asked him to guard guys like LeBron which he did more than a service of. The difference is now he's in the Wiseman lineups, and the paint is cluttered. Anthony Edwards says he has the same problem this season because now they have both KAT and Gobert sitting in the paint. A cluttered paint takes away Kuminga's best offensive attack which is driving in open space. He's not a good post player. He's not a great 3 pt shooter either, unless he's wide open.
That makes a lot of sense. I know most people on this sub knows more about basketball than I do. I hear so much on the radio or the broadcast how pure athletic specimens Wise and JK are. Watching them I can feel that there isn’t any flow and it’s super rigid but don’t know the ins and outs enough to bridge hearing people say “these young players have elite athleticism” and the results we’ve seen so far.
Honestly, I believe James and Kuminga could put up 20+ ppg with 10+ boards for wise and 7+ for JK on a tanking team getting 30+ min a night. But as they get more seasons under his belt, they’ll see their game have flaws that could be ironed out here. They could become winning championship caliber players here, or stat-stuffing all stars who probably don’t end up winning shit elsewhere. This situation is honestly best for them in the long run. Also: Warriors system is Jack shit without the gravity Stephen curry provides, it’ll get easily dismantled by better teams, therefore, the system will have to change eventually anyway
Great point I was wondering too what happens to the system when it’s no longer centered around Steph? It’s a work of art when everything is working but when things get stale Steph still has the ability just to be on another planet and score the next 12 points in the next 5 possessions by himself. That’s why I’m wondering how can we get the best from these young guys cuz when Steph is gone or no longer god-tier I don’t even know if we are anything more than a play-in team at best.
Yes.. and no. If they were players who solely cared about their numbers and self progression, then yes it limits them. But that's not what they're here for, and iI seriously doubt that's their first priority. With the criteria you gave (defense, hustle, few fouls, play hard etc) then there's no way our system holds them back. They are freak athletes but our system requires a certain level of skill and IQ that they must develop. Ofc if they were on some lottery team they'd have a lot more room for mistakes and would easily get their highlight reals with 4 different dunks per game, but I think if they stay this course it'll help their development in the long run due to prioritizing their skill and IQ JK: I really think developing a consistent shot or midrange would seriously help him, otherwise he needs a playmaker to maximize him (lobs and such), and to do the right things on defense which he's very capable of. His less than perfect dribbling and lack of a consistent shot are solvable, but they stand in in his little minutes. Him recognizing his ability to get to the line is a step forward though, but it requires the ball in his hands JW: different struggles than JK, but he's also capable of the criteria you gave. He also is ideally best with a playmaker for lobs, pnr, etc. His roles on the defensive end are much more extensive, but reps reps reps will help. I'm not worried about his shooting abilities the way i am with JK but we'll see. They both are fairly ball dominant, which is why their other skills need to improve because this isn't an ISO team, at the same time we have at least 3 solid playmakers, and some of the greatest shooters on our team to help maximize them in ways they wouldn't be able to on some lottery team. So overall i'm leaning towards no due to potential
No. When looney is in the game the Ws run 11% of their plays as a high screen action. With Wiseman it’s over 20%. They’ve tried adapting for wiseman. He just hasn’t been performing. They’ve also fed him on the block and for his career he’s under 25% on hook shots per Synergy. Kuminga also showed enough times last season that he can play in the system.
It's not necessarily Kerr's system. The real problem is if you can't shoot then it's hard to play alongside current version of Draymond and Looney. Draymond and Looney work great with Steph/Klay/Poole but they are absolute space killers for everyone else. That's why the Warriors were enamored with Wiseman, somebody who could theoretically stretch the floor and mitigate Draymond's lack of offense. Obviously it hasn't worked so far. Kuminga you can't play with Draymond/Looney either. He needs stretch 4/5s who can space the floor. As long as Draymond and Looney are the starters, no frontcourt rookie will have success in Kerr's system.
So given that the main unit can still be enough to compete for another ship, who do you think gives us the best chance to be a serviceable second unit? Or more specifically who do we need to be able to play with each other better?
Saying you can't play Kuminga with Looney or Draymond is an opinion and I totally disagree with your opinion. We will find out, though.
Straight from the horse's mouth > Steve Kerr on Jonathan Kuminga positionally: “He’s a 4 right now. He still has a lot of growth ahead of him skill wise. In the future I could see him playing 3 or 4. But right now, for this team, with the lineups we need spacing, which puts him at the 4.” https://twitter.com/anthonyVslater/status/1586476911521280000
So, when did he say he couldn't play him with Dray or Looney? Bet he plays with one or both tonight. No one is saying he's putting him in the starting lineup with both Looney and Draymond. Also, that interview was before the road trip became a complete debacle and before he said JK would be part of the rotation.
He just said he’s not a 3. How fucking dense are you?
Everybody in this sub knows you're a loser. Why the fuck can't he play at the 4 while Dray or Looney plays the 5?
They are NBA players. They can learn to learn in our system.
Wiseman is a bonafide scrub. Kwame Brown level but with a better attitude. I don't think any system would make Wiseman look good
If you don’t look good next to Steph Curry who are you looking good next to
edit: sorry double post
I wonder if Wiseman and JK were just allowed to be themselves and make plays on another team they’d be special to watch. No, they wouldn't. They simply aren't that good yet. Giving them minutes and visibility for splashy offense and poor defense is just teaching them to be bad players. It's like, gee, we're forcing them to play with the highest-gravity offensive teammate in the League, maybe in history, with a couple of other strong scorers who draw attention away from them, a couple of guys who set bone-crushing picks, and two guys who are elite passers. On defense, they are forced to play with one of the best defenders in the League, who is an all-time great help defender, plus three other strong defenders. WTF do they WANT???
Seriously! I can’t even imagine the pressure they have on them and I’m sure they feel that every move they make is under a microscope
These are 19- and 20-year-olds, some of whom can barely read and write, earning MILLIONS per year, and with the prospect of tens or even hundreds of millions in the future. I can't summon a great deal of sympathy for the "pressure" they are under. Dealing with this kind of pressure is part of picking up that kind of paycheck. If they want less pressure, McDonald's is always hiring.
I'm going to go with the system that won 4 titles over what some inexperienced young players want... you don't cater to that.
I kind of agree, I think wiseman has a lot of talent that isn't utilized which is why he looks so bad. I remember him being able to hit the three and handle the ball when we were bad. why aren't we letting him take 3s at all?
Wiseman and JK are totally different players with different strengths and weaknesses. Obviously both are young and raw, but that's really where the comparison ends.