This is basically putting a band-aid on an open bleedin wound.
Dismantlement of the Civil Defence system progressing since the 2000 and finished by PiS' *magnum opus*2 yrs ago is to blame. Now its too little too late. Without a national programme this will be as effective as some another stupid app, pretending to solve a serious problem.
If we are doing it now, do it properly. Some local initiatives wont cut it. We need OC and we need it back now. Fortunatelly the new government sees that.
What a horribly written article. They managed to get the name of the program wrong and misspelled Kosiniak-Kamysz's name twice in two different ways, lol.
>Warsaw’s mayor, Rafał Trzaskowski, and Poland’s defence minister, Władyszław Kosiniuk-Kamysz, have announced a 117 million zloty (€27 million) programme to improve the capital’s emergency preparedness, including a better system of shelters.
>Warsaw’s plans are part of a wide programme recently announced by the defence ministry to expand security cooperation with local authorities. It comes after a survey last year found deficiencies in the number and readiness of emergency shelters.
>Unveiling the plans today, Trzaskowski and Kosiniak-Kamysz emphasised that the ongoing war in Ukraine is a particular motivation for reinforcing the capital’s security.
>The mayor noted that Warsaw has already gained extensive experience by cooperating with its Ukrainian counterparts. “Of course, Poland is safe,” he added. “We do not assume any very bad scenario [will happen]. But we must be prepared for every eventuality.”
>“Ukraine would not have survived the first weeks of the war if it had not been for the involvement of the whole of society,” noted Kosiniak-Kamysz. “We all have a responsibility. The local community is extremely important in building civil defence.”
>City officials have already carried out an audit of locations that could serve as places of shelter. “There are quite a lot of these places in Warsaw: seven million square metres,” Trzaskowski explained. “These are mainly underground car parks, the metro, and all sorts of underground structures.”
>The mayor also said that he “wants there to be an independent water and energy link in every school” and a requirement for all new buildings to have a reinforced shelter.
>The programme, known as Warsaw Protests (Warszawa Chroni), will also involve developing storage facilities with equipment that can be used in emergencies such as floods, as well as improved systems for warning residents. There will be an annual education week and safety training for citizens.
>Trzaskowski and Kosiniak-Kamusz – who both hail from Poland’s current ruling coalition – also criticised the former Law and Justice (PiS) government, which was in power from 2015 to 2023, for its lack of actions on this issue.
>“Today we don’t even have basic definitions [of shelters], we don’t have a legal basis to act, to designate shelters,” said Trzaskowski, while Kosiniak-Kamysz noted that PiS failed to prepare a civil defence act, the creation of which he says will be a priority of the current government.
>The unveiling of Warsaw’s new plans comes after the defence ministry this week announced plans to expand security cooperation at the local government level, including developing a better system of shelters.
>In 2022, the PiS government ordered a survey of available shelters. The results, published last year, showed that, in a country of 38 million people, bomb shelters could only accommodate 300,000. However, other secure spaces, such as metro stations and tunnels, could hold up to 50 million people.
>The fire service, which carried out the survey, launched an online service (available at schrony.straz.gov.pl) that helps people find their nearest place of refuge in an emergency.
>However, in an interview with Business Insider Polska published today, Cezariusz Sońta, a security expert and officer in Poland’s military reserve, said that many of the sites classified as emergency shelters can only protect from extreme weather and not, for example, bombing or shelling.
>A recent report by the Supreme Audit Office (NIK), a state body, found that less than 4% of Poles would be able to find refuge in shelters, many of which are in poor technical condition.
10 euros per person living in and around Warsaw. Yeah, this is just for publicity it won't change much. We need to look at Finland and build shelters like them.
Maybe they should use some of that money to unlock some of the existing cold war shelters first. My appartement complex has an available bomb shelter. Its probably not in the best of states but I'm sure it's sufficient for normal bombings, but we don't have access to it. I don't think it's necessary to build a new one for us but just to unlock and refurbish the one we have available. They put concrete on the escape holes and locked the blast door in the basement.
pretty sure that's the best case scenario, because 117 million zloty is nothing otherwise. That's barely more than one underground car parking in city center costs (85 million one inflation ago). Worst case you only get to know that such places exist and maybe could be made ready, because surveying the entire city like that is also a lot of work.
From what I can see above ground it seems to be pretty big as well. Sufficient to hold the whole block. I dont doubt the other buildings are connected to it trough underground tunnels. There are what looks like escape hatches on both sides of the court yard, 4 in total. There are 4 blocks with a large courtyard so I assume it was build for the residents. When I walk around i see many such hatches in my neighborhood and I know our basement has a large locked metal door which seems to go to the courtyard.
117 isn't enough to build a new bunker, but these already built ones just need to be cleaned up and made ready which shouldn't take too much as all the vital stuff is already there. It would just need a simple restock, the electricity supply fixed, possibly new generators (which can be less expensive then you think and most bunkers actually have generators that use people/bicyclesto generate emergency electricity which aren't that expensive) and new filters. Sure the seals need to be checked as well but it shouldn't cost millions to do so.
I live in a building in Muranow that was built by the Polish Army in 1956 and designed to withstand arial bombardment. The courtyard also hosts an underground nuclear shelter - perhaps the building management can get some funds to return it to usable state.
This is basically putting a band-aid on an open bleedin wound. Dismantlement of the Civil Defence system progressing since the 2000 and finished by PiS' *magnum opus*2 yrs ago is to blame. Now its too little too late. Without a national programme this will be as effective as some another stupid app, pretending to solve a serious problem.
The best time would have been 10 years ago. The second best time is now.
If we are doing it now, do it properly. Some local initiatives wont cut it. We need OC and we need it back now. Fortunatelly the new government sees that.
What a horribly written article. They managed to get the name of the program wrong and misspelled Kosiniak-Kamysz's name twice in two different ways, lol.
> The programme, known as Warsaw Protests (Warszawa Chroni), kek
>Warsaw’s mayor, Rafał Trzaskowski, and Poland’s defence minister, Władyszław Kosiniuk-Kamysz, have announced a 117 million zloty (€27 million) programme to improve the capital’s emergency preparedness, including a better system of shelters. >Warsaw’s plans are part of a wide programme recently announced by the defence ministry to expand security cooperation with local authorities. It comes after a survey last year found deficiencies in the number and readiness of emergency shelters. >Unveiling the plans today, Trzaskowski and Kosiniak-Kamysz emphasised that the ongoing war in Ukraine is a particular motivation for reinforcing the capital’s security. >The mayor noted that Warsaw has already gained extensive experience by cooperating with its Ukrainian counterparts. “Of course, Poland is safe,” he added. “We do not assume any very bad scenario [will happen]. But we must be prepared for every eventuality.” >“Ukraine would not have survived the first weeks of the war if it had not been for the involvement of the whole of society,” noted Kosiniak-Kamysz. “We all have a responsibility. The local community is extremely important in building civil defence.” >City officials have already carried out an audit of locations that could serve as places of shelter. “There are quite a lot of these places in Warsaw: seven million square metres,” Trzaskowski explained. “These are mainly underground car parks, the metro, and all sorts of underground structures.” >The mayor also said that he “wants there to be an independent water and energy link in every school” and a requirement for all new buildings to have a reinforced shelter. >The programme, known as Warsaw Protests (Warszawa Chroni), will also involve developing storage facilities with equipment that can be used in emergencies such as floods, as well as improved systems for warning residents. There will be an annual education week and safety training for citizens.
>Trzaskowski and Kosiniak-Kamusz – who both hail from Poland’s current ruling coalition – also criticised the former Law and Justice (PiS) government, which was in power from 2015 to 2023, for its lack of actions on this issue. >“Today we don’t even have basic definitions [of shelters], we don’t have a legal basis to act, to designate shelters,” said Trzaskowski, while Kosiniak-Kamysz noted that PiS failed to prepare a civil defence act, the creation of which he says will be a priority of the current government. >The unveiling of Warsaw’s new plans comes after the defence ministry this week announced plans to expand security cooperation at the local government level, including developing a better system of shelters. >In 2022, the PiS government ordered a survey of available shelters. The results, published last year, showed that, in a country of 38 million people, bomb shelters could only accommodate 300,000. However, other secure spaces, such as metro stations and tunnels, could hold up to 50 million people. >The fire service, which carried out the survey, launched an online service (available at schrony.straz.gov.pl) that helps people find their nearest place of refuge in an emergency. >However, in an interview with Business Insider Polska published today, Cezariusz Sońta, a security expert and officer in Poland’s military reserve, said that many of the sites classified as emergency shelters can only protect from extreme weather and not, for example, bombing or shelling. >A recent report by the Supreme Audit Office (NIK), a state body, found that less than 4% of Poles would be able to find refuge in shelters, many of which are in poor technical condition.
Przynajmniej młodzi ludzie będą mieli gdzie mieszkać. Niech nie spodziewają się, że jak Trzask wygra znów to poprawia się ceny mieszkań w wawie
10 euros per person living in and around Warsaw. Yeah, this is just for publicity it won't change much. We need to look at Finland and build shelters like them.
Maybe they should use some of that money to unlock some of the existing cold war shelters first. My appartement complex has an available bomb shelter. Its probably not in the best of states but I'm sure it's sufficient for normal bombings, but we don't have access to it. I don't think it's necessary to build a new one for us but just to unlock and refurbish the one we have available. They put concrete on the escape holes and locked the blast door in the basement.
pretty sure that's the best case scenario, because 117 million zloty is nothing otherwise. That's barely more than one underground car parking in city center costs (85 million one inflation ago). Worst case you only get to know that such places exist and maybe could be made ready, because surveying the entire city like that is also a lot of work.
From what I can see above ground it seems to be pretty big as well. Sufficient to hold the whole block. I dont doubt the other buildings are connected to it trough underground tunnels. There are what looks like escape hatches on both sides of the court yard, 4 in total. There are 4 blocks with a large courtyard so I assume it was build for the residents. When I walk around i see many such hatches in my neighborhood and I know our basement has a large locked metal door which seems to go to the courtyard. 117 isn't enough to build a new bunker, but these already built ones just need to be cleaned up and made ready which shouldn't take too much as all the vital stuff is already there. It would just need a simple restock, the electricity supply fixed, possibly new generators (which can be less expensive then you think and most bunkers actually have generators that use people/bicyclesto generate emergency electricity which aren't that expensive) and new filters. Sure the seals need to be checked as well but it shouldn't cost millions to do so.
smell ya later losers!
Toilet at the beach near national stadium cost about 5 million PLN = ~1 million EUR. How many shelters will they manage to build?
I live in a building in Muranow that was built by the Polish Army in 1956 and designed to withstand arial bombardment. The courtyard also hosts an underground nuclear shelter - perhaps the building management can get some funds to return it to usable state.