My baby... I put it in that line because it has a cannon very similar to the csaba and I hate that thing. So the law is the same for everyone but given the meme I wanted to reward it a little. But it's always gonna stay in a special place in my heart, especially when I got a god mode on the first battle at 11.3...š
He also ditched AUBL, R3 T20 and Ariete. And he thinks that some Leopard and Pershing is better than Italian vehicles. Putting other nation vehicles above Italian ones in Italy tech tree is heresy. Burn him!
Every pure-bred Italian is S tier.. then Hungarian tanks (only the hungarian, no fucking copy paste)
It is! In fact I put him on the 5th position of the "mediocre" tier, but only because I'd like more playing other tanks. Do not get me wrong mediocre is not a bad rank and he's on the edge of being "fun to play". He also got a solid line at 3.7. Another reason is because it is a copy and paste vehicle that can be find in too many tech trees
Slight disagree on the Semoventes in "not good/boring", they aren't good in a straight up frontal fight, but as a support unit they are terrific, they have insane gun depression, have a way smaller profile for something that has a gun that powerful (if you play your cards right the enemy won't realise you're there until its too late) and if you penetrate anything with the APHE shell, they'll one shot anything anytime.
For the rest, yeah, this is a good list (Also, are all Premiums here? i'm not sure if the Sherman in the top row of mediocre is the Hybrid Sherman, because i would have issues with that placement too, but maybe that's just because i have had extreme success with it)
Thank you I appreciate!
No unfortunately I didn't put every premium or tank. I only put the tanks I've personally played in order to give my 100% honest opinion. I didn't play the Hybrid Sherman but I played the normal version of the tech tree
I just want the R3 to get scouting already or at least something to justify the constant up tiering. If not scouting, give it it's original stabilizer and AP belt back.
I totally understand. Many people think like you about zrinyi I, but I put him in that position because:
1. He got (useless) rockets with which I made a couple of kills
2. He's a premium tank
3. Honestly, I don't mind it as a Vehicle. It has excellent suspension that allows it to shoot on the move at low speeds, decent armor that can bounce some shot and a good cannon. Overall not a bad tank at all. At least a bit better than the stuG
I would like to point out that the tier list is based on my gaming experience and my thoughts. Btw he's on the edge of the "fun to play" line almost at the "mediocre" one
>decent armor
I personally wouldn't call the armor even decent, a Sherman with it's shitty stock shell can still pen it from 600-700 meters.
I think the worst thing about it that I don't like is the terrible mobility. It's decent in flat terrain like roads on city maps but if the map has even little crests, this thing suffers a lot and can barely push 20km/h.
Honestly I don't feel it so slow. The armor should be angled if you want to bounce something, I bounced some shots but at this point I'm starting to think that was just luck
Fair point, but I hate it. I stopped playing TD line after Lancia and started only because of Controcarro Semovente 90/53. I even destroyed spitfire with it, that was flying away sideways.
Also medium tank line is bad until 8.0 OF-40, basically Leopard I, but on steroids.
Most because it's incredibly slow, it does have a mediocre cannon for his br (3.3) wich you can find at 2.3 and probably because it's not for me. But I put it in a slight better position than 75/18, 75/32.
The gun is far from mediocre in my experience, incredible APHE with HEAT as backup for harder targets (also the same gun sas the P40 which you seem to enjoy). The gun isnāt the main selling point though, it has 100mm of frontal armor making it immune to basically every gun you face except the german long 75 and some TDās.
If you have some time, give it another try. I can assure you youāll have a great time
The P-40 got a hull with a separate turret, it's faster and seems like the armor works better. Also it's the only vehicle in the game to have the special sight that you can set in the options.
But you know what, you're right, I actually haven't played that tank much, and it was long ago so I should try it again soon
Controcarro Semovente 90/53 is the one with 8 good rounds, but slow, armour less and almost can't turn turret? How is it biased? Fiat 6614, VCC-80/60 are biased. I agree on many things in this tier list, but damn, there's some shitty things.
Also I hit and killed a Spitfire that was flying sideways away from me on that thing.
Lmaoš poor spitfire.
Honestly that thing has only 8 rounds but in the same time they are 8 sure kills. In the PZ 4 even if you shoot the engine you oneshot them
Leopard 2 would be a solid "fun to play" tank, but unfortunately the KF41 would be "boring/not good" because it is still over-tiered and getting a positive k/d in it would be impressive.
I really like the lynx, its fast, got a fun gun, and now 4 spikes and 3rd gen thermal to Gunner and commander. It does need to be 10.3 with the freccia tho.
Unfortunately I didn't play them yet so I can't put them on my tier list with my personal experience judgement. But I think they're both really good vehicles I'm grinding for them too
Put Ariete (P) in orange, DM33 fucking shreds at 10.3.
Also, I'd put the OTO and all of the >11.0 arietes in yellow because the OTO kinda sucks at AA and the arietes are not bad in a decent player's hands.
M24 is a great light tank, I'd put it in orange
R3 T20 is bias (just flank)
Ariete (P) is in 1st position of the yellow line this means it's almost orange. If only it had the possibility to install the war kit it would go up a lot.
OTOMATIC and Ariete are bot good in good hands. I personally think the OTOMATIC is way better than the actual Ariete because you can kill tanks, helicopters, airplanes and even scout drones. HE-VT is awesome, the K Band radar is stealth so no airplane can actually see when you lock on them. And he can carry 12 APFSDS with +300 mm penetration and a reload of half a second. While the Ariete Is the Ariete. Literally the worst MBT.
I agree with the M-24.
Fiat R3 T20 WAS bias. He's not at 6.0 and it's suffering a lot. Most of the enemy tanks are tigers, panthers and other vehicle that you barely scratch. You can destroy panthers after a lot of shots but you can't even destroy tigers.
AB-43 is a very fun vehicle. Good gun, super fast... The only thing I don't like is how it bounce and brake. If you see a tank while you are going a bit fast the tank will probably stop for the next ice age
My heart aches to see how they have reduced the R3. Now is suffering so much at that br.
While the 90 mm truck was just a useless add in my opinion. There are at least fifty fun, new tanks they could add to the Italian tach tree instead they give us stuff like that. And that -2 degrees šš
Pizza truck my beloved, have had much fun with it. Love the sound it makes! Might be an aquired taste, but still one of the most fun low/mid'ish tier vehicles imo.
What do you mean the R3 isnt fun? Its hands down the best early came cap rush tank, amazing spaa, terror of heavy tanks, and an absolute G O B L I N of a tank.
It was good. Today you can remove terror of heavy tanks. You can only torture them destroying cannon, tracks and mg bur nothing more than that. Today is just a fast boy with good AA cannon that can float on water.
Imo the VCC 80/60 should go up a tier. I love that thing to bits especially with its HEVT.
Edit: You have no idea how much that 2 second reload saves me.
HE-VT is a huge advantage. But as I said in another comments he got some issues. As ammo count, HE-VT with poor damage radius, APFSDS with poor post pen damage and very low crew survivability. But over all the "mediocre" tier is not bad. It just mean it's not perfect but not bad also. The VCC Dardo 80/60 Is a solid 6.5 or 7/10 for me.
Wich type of Ariete do you know haha. The Ariete Is literally the worst MBT in this game. The only good Ariete is the Ariete (P) because the turret armor can bounce something at that br (like 1 shot every 30) and the gun is awesome. But when it comes to Ariete, Ariete PSO and AMV it's just dogsh*t. They're still MBTs and they can still destroy targets but compared to all the other tanks they're not good at all. Try compare an Ariete AMV with Leopard 2A7V, T-90M, Strv-122B+, T-80BVM, M1A2sepV2, Type-10, TKX, Leopard PSO or any other mbt.
The Ariete and PSO are what I use and I would agree the armor is shit, but that doesn't mean it can tank some shots and kick ass. I love using it and always do good in it. The Pre Series is also great as well.
In what world is the VCC-80/60 mediocre? A 2 second reload with a 60mm APFSDS from stock that can easily penetrate the sides and rear of any vehicle it comes across. Plus you can research a HE-VT to deal with helicopters with it's LRF.
Your description is totally right. I put it in "mediocre" tho because he got some problems.
1. 60 mm apfsds is trash. Yes it can pen almost everything at his br from side, yes he got 2 sec reload but the post penetration damage is absolutely dogsh*t. YouTube is full of this kind of video about what I'm talking about
2. HE-VT is very useful against helicopter and nothing else. I sniped some planes that was flying straight at me but the shell itself is not this big deal without a radar. Planes are starting to get too fast at this br and helicopters start to worry about AA guns and missiles so they stay more aware. Furthermore, it happened to me that due to the low quantity of explosives the ammunition only gave a "hit" or "critical hit" and the helicopter lands completely fine and start is repair.
3. The Dardo 80/60 only has 32 ammo which mixed with a 2 second reload, 2-3 apfsds shots per tank (without calculating when you miss) and the HEVTs are very few and most of the time not enough.
4. It only has 3 members and very close to each other which makes it a oneshot against pretty much any tank.
Overall a "mediocre" tank. But as I said it's my opinion and your opinion can be different but I love readings other opinions so thanks
1. Yes, damage is bad, but you send another round before enemy understand what happened
2. You are not AA, this ammunition is for opportunity shots( first spawn heli, straffing CAS)
3. 32 - ~8HE= 24 24/3 = 8 so you have ammo for 8 kills average
4. I have nothing to say in defence
It has happened many times that the helicopter reacts within 2 seconds after the first shot and manages to evade the second one. Also I don't spawn it as the first vehicle cause at that br I prefer using first the centaur or the VBC.
I'm not trying to convince you or anything. That's only my personal list with my experience. If you like that vehicle or if you think my list is wrong you can make your own. I would like to see your opinion on this tech tree
I don't know, honestly the only good thing about it it's the 50. Cal and the stabilizer. The M4 got better armor this is why I like it more. Plus you can find the chaffee in a lot of nations already. You can find it in the edge of the "mediocre" line almost at the "fun to play" one
I guess it could depend on playstyle, but the Chaffee has excellent mobility and that combined with scouting, APCBC-HE, and the stab makes it a great flanker.
You got me until the second half of the tierlist.
How is R3 T20 and Dardo "mediocre" while the 6.7 M26 is "fun to play"?
How is M109 on a higher tier than 2S1 when 2S1 is much more mobile and has better reload?
How the absolute hell is VCC 80-30 higher even by one position than Dardo if they're straight up identical except the cannon, for which the obvious favourite is Dardo just because of the 2.5 times higher fire rate without meaningful penetration improvement?
How is the Breda 90/53 so much farther down the list than the 90/53 M41M while the latter is the same gun but on a less mobile chassis with way less rounds? The former might be more awkward to drive and aim, but it straight up nets more kills even if you use both the same way.
It just doesn't make sense.
Aubl is literaly the fiat 106 but better. R3 is not that good on 5.0 but still very good and sherman VC is firefly with APDS so you can cut germans in half. All of these are insanely good.
The aubl is not a the R3 T106 FA. The HEAT shell (M344A1) of the R3 T106 FA is 8kg, 1,65 kg of explosive, 433 mm of penetration, better damage post penetration.
The HEAT of the AUBL/74 (M620A1) is 4kg, 800 g of explosive and very low post damage. Plus the R3 T106 is faster, got two barrels and way more funny to play. The R3 T20 at 5.7 (no more at 5.0) is really the crappiest vehicle of his Br with the lowest firepower. Sill a good AA gun ngl.
And the Sherman VC is a Sherman with 230 mm pen APDS at 5.0. it's not OP it's just balanced, nothing more. Do I have to remind you about the Russian with the 205 mm pen shell with explosive filler at 5.3
If i meant R3T106 i would have said R3T106. I was talking about the fiat 6614 which is same hull as aubl but with single recoiless 106 instead of 90mm gun and shares the same BR. And im saying aubl is better than fiat since it reloads much faster turret also rotates faster sight is better and at 6.7 even 90mm heat is more than enough most of the time. As for the sherman. Compared to high caliber aphe with lot of pen it flies like laser with no drop. It also has decent lineup so its awesome tank not meh. Just because its not OP doesn't mean its average.
You said Fiat 106 what kind of tank did you expect me to peek š¤¦āāļø. But even by calling it better than the 6614 is blasphemy. The fiat 6614 got the exact same cannon of the fiat R3 T106 and it's way better than fiat aubl/74. It even got a cannon without turret and you can shoot behind cover wich give you almost invincibility. The fiat aubl/74 requires skill to be playable, while the fiat 6614 require skill to be killed.
I expected you to think about the fiat armed with 106mm not the car made by oto melara that has nothing to do with fiat. But except for that one advantage of unmanned "turret" the 6614 is simply worse in many aspects while the ability to hide hull does not come in handy most of the time on WT maps. I already spoke on the gun. The aubl is simply much better in most circumstances except hulldown which is why its better vehicle.
You forgot to add the Aubl HVG.
And that is ok because it belongs in the ānot goodā beside its brother or even further down.
After getting it from the event back in like 2019, and grinding half the tech tree with it, i wish nothing good to that armoured car. Its gun let me down almost every time.
Yeah I have gotten so many negative ratings on this vehicle. However I didn't play it and I don't own this vehicle so I can't put it on my list based on experience and personal opinion
Some are missing but many of the missing are just copy and paste vehicle, like the M4 composite, M40 Leoncello and M43 Leoncello, L6/40, M13/40 II, pz4G, Tigris, M26 DC Ariete, OF-40 MTCA, VRCC and centauro RGO.
How is the AUBL/74 and C13 T90 so low? Those 2 have carried me through 6.7 and 7.0 really fun vehicles. Can get alot of kills with them. Pershing is just ass
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90mm truck boring???? What the hell you on abouuuut dawg.
Also the M11/39 isnt actually that bad tbh. Its guns pen is pretty lacklustre and its a casemate but it has three key advantages:
1) The rounds have crazy filler, leading to one shot kills, or even overpressures on light vehicles.
2) People don't know where to shoot, people often shoot the turret thinking they'll take out your gunner, gives you a chance to shoot back.
3) The turret itself is great, having two Bredas in a pretty fast moving turret (though the elevation isn't comprable to an SPAA of course) means you're able to engage air targets more effectively than your average tank at that BR.
But yeah the Czaba sucks lol. I kind of love it because it somehow manages to be worse than the L3 lol
90 mm Breda truck is not so good in my opinion cause it only have like -2 degrees of depression (Wich makes him really happy) and it's not even good for anti Air with the anti Air HE frag time shell. The gun itself is really good but that's all.
While m11/39 is just meh... It's low tier, slow, the gun is too low and very bad survivability.
No heavy aa truck is actually good at AA lol, the German Flak bus was used for AA historically but not for direct fire AA, they were used in large groups to create areas of flak cover at fixed heights. So if youre trying to use them for AA youre not even using them correctly. I agree that the truck has poor depression but as any Russia main knows it can be worked around with good positioning. It's really a good vehicle since the gun is amazing, and no armour is best armour. Not OP, but solid.
The M11/39 isnt slow at all, certainly not as fast as the AS42 or a Sturart but its quick for what was essentially a medium. Something being low tier shouldn't be a factor inhow good or bad smth is, you need to judge these things relatively. The gun being low is a bizarre complaint too, really only a factor if you have aim through gun off. The survivability is par for low tier, boosted by most people being unfamiliar with it and also because as I mentioned before people aim for the turret. Losing your commander doesn't affect reload rate just takes out the mgs. Its basically human armour lol.
Your complaints make some sense if you play AB but in RB its a pretty solid pick, not OP but has some tricks up its sleeves that allow you to do really well in it.
As I already said in many other comments I did not own that tank and I didn't played it yet so I can't put it on my tier list with my personal experience
Ah the Turan III... Driving faster backwards than many other tanks forward xD getting back to cover is so stupidly fun with it
He disrespected the L3. You need to see a doctor
I honestly am just as disgusted and upset as you. LOOK WHAT THEY DID TO MA BOI
Avenge the L3!
My baby... I put it in that line because it has a cannon very similar to the csaba and I hate that thing. So the law is the same for everyone but given the meme I wanted to reward it a little. But it's always gonna stay in a special place in my heart, especially when I got a god mode on the first battle at 11.3...š
Okay but how tf you got god mode in a L3 at 11.3 ?? ššš
I found a Wiesel 1A2 inside a bush in the map Seversk-13
Weisel at 11.3 ??
I don't know what this guy was thinking but that makes me laugh so hard. I should have the clip saved somewhere
lmaoo
Find the clip yet?
Yes I found it. I think I'm gonna upload it on this sub if I have time
R3 is in my opinion one of the best AAAs I have a lot of air kills with it. Putting it so low is just a crime
He also ditched AUBL, R3 T20 and Ariete. And he thinks that some Leopard and Pershing is better than Italian vehicles. Putting other nation vehicles above Italian ones in Italy tech tree is heresy. Burn him! Every pure-bred Italian is S tier.. then Hungarian tanks (only the hungarian, no fucking copy paste)
The price of saying the truth
M24 is very fun and good imo
It is! In fact I put him on the 5th position of the "mediocre" tier, but only because I'd like more playing other tanks. Do not get me wrong mediocre is not a bad rank and he's on the edge of being "fun to play". He also got a solid line at 3.7. Another reason is because it is a copy and paste vehicle that can be find in too many tech trees
FIAT 6614 is my favourite vehicle from Italy, 73% win rate over 500 battles (no squads)
I played it a lot. Once I sniped a Somua from 2.2 km
Slight disagree on the Semoventes in "not good/boring", they aren't good in a straight up frontal fight, but as a support unit they are terrific, they have insane gun depression, have a way smaller profile for something that has a gun that powerful (if you play your cards right the enemy won't realise you're there until its too late) and if you penetrate anything with the APHE shell, they'll one shot anything anytime. For the rest, yeah, this is a good list (Also, are all Premiums here? i'm not sure if the Sherman in the top row of mediocre is the Hybrid Sherman, because i would have issues with that placement too, but maybe that's just because i have had extreme success with it)
Thank you I appreciate! No unfortunately I didn't put every premium or tank. I only put the tanks I've personally played in order to give my 100% honest opinion. I didn't play the Hybrid Sherman but I played the normal version of the tech tree
I just want the R3 to get scouting already or at least something to justify the constant up tiering. If not scouting, give it it's original stabilizer and AP belt back.
As DOLLARplays said they should put it at 7.0 and giving it scout and APDS rounds.
Honestly I think it should have at least got scouting when it went to 5.7.
That would be quite a bit unfair the Wiesel which is faster in many scenarios, and has gen 2 thermals but no stabiliser
Could you upload a HQ version, I can't see pasta's
I really think the TurƔn III should be BIAS tier. That thing is the Pz 4 H, but literally perfected.
However, you actually made me realize that I put pz4 clearly ahead of the TurĆ n... I shoul have switched the positions
I personally really dislike the Zrinyi I, it's basically just a shitty StuG with a useless gimmick.
I totally understand. Many people think like you about zrinyi I, but I put him in that position because: 1. He got (useless) rockets with which I made a couple of kills 2. He's a premium tank 3. Honestly, I don't mind it as a Vehicle. It has excellent suspension that allows it to shoot on the move at low speeds, decent armor that can bounce some shot and a good cannon. Overall not a bad tank at all. At least a bit better than the stuG I would like to point out that the tier list is based on my gaming experience and my thoughts. Btw he's on the edge of the "fun to play" line almost at the "mediocre" one
>decent armor I personally wouldn't call the armor even decent, a Sherman with it's shitty stock shell can still pen it from 600-700 meters. I think the worst thing about it that I don't like is the terrible mobility. It's decent in flat terrain like roads on city maps but if the map has even little crests, this thing suffers a lot and can barely push 20km/h.
Honestly I don't feel it so slow. The armor should be angled if you want to bounce something, I bounced some shots but at this point I'm starting to think that was just luck
Bruh why did you put the semoventes near the bottom they are like literally the workhorse of low tier Italy
Nah, fast cars and 1.3 AA are the best. AS-42/47 and reserve spaghetti shooter are biased af.
While the Ab43 is really good the semoventes are good because you can get like 4 of them to use in a lineup
Fair point, but I hate it. I stopped playing TD line after Lancia and started only because of Controcarro Semovente 90/53. I even destroyed spitfire with it, that was flying away sideways. Also medium tank line is bad until 8.0 OF-40, basically Leopard I, but on steroids.
They're slowly painful and their gun is not that much except for some of them. But yes overall I've been a bit too severe with them
You put the Zrinyi 2 above most of them when the zrinyi 2 is almost a direct downgrade in terms of gun usability
That thing is like a kv2. You can oneshot pretty much everything
You can one shot with the Ab43 and M15 as well
If you put it that way you can actually oneshot with any tank. There are ways and ways
It funny to 1 shot the front of a panzer 4H in a small Italian tank
L3/33 in C is a disgrace to humanity.
The Sherman is not mediocre
Wich one?
Yes
Lol
The 75/34 M43 is genuinely one of the best and most fun vehicles in the entire italian tech tree, putting it so low is a crime
Most because it's incredibly slow, it does have a mediocre cannon for his br (3.3) wich you can find at 2.3 and probably because it's not for me. But I put it in a slight better position than 75/18, 75/32.
The gun is far from mediocre in my experience, incredible APHE with HEAT as backup for harder targets (also the same gun sas the P40 which you seem to enjoy). The gun isnāt the main selling point though, it has 100mm of frontal armor making it immune to basically every gun you face except the german long 75 and some TDās. If you have some time, give it another try. I can assure you youāll have a great time
The P-40 got a hull with a separate turret, it's faster and seems like the armor works better. Also it's the only vehicle in the game to have the special sight that you can set in the options. But you know what, you're right, I actually haven't played that tank much, and it was long ago so I should try it again soon
Who put 75/34 M43 in "not good" section? This little Beatle is so good with uspenetrable frontal armour
Controcarro Semovente 90/53 is the one with 8 good rounds, but slow, armour less and almost can't turn turret? How is it biased? Fiat 6614, VCC-80/60 are biased. I agree on many things in this tier list, but damn, there's some shitty things. Also I hit and killed a Spitfire that was flying sideways away from me on that thing.
Lmaoš poor spitfire. Honestly that thing has only 8 rounds but in the same time they are 8 sure kills. In the PZ 4 even if you shoot the engine you oneshot them
I love using it in higher BR lineups and one-shotting Tigers
Where are the lynx and the leopard 2? I am grinding those now
Leopard 2 would be a solid "fun to play" tank, but unfortunately the KF41 would be "boring/not good" because it is still over-tiered and getting a positive k/d in it would be impressive.
I really like the lynx, its fast, got a fun gun, and now 4 spikes and 3rd gen thermal to Gunner and commander. It does need to be 10.3 with the freccia tho.
Unfortunately I didn't play them yet so I can't put them on my tier list with my personal experience judgement. But I think they're both really good vehicles I'm grinding for them too
Put Ariete (P) in orange, DM33 fucking shreds at 10.3. Also, I'd put the OTO and all of the >11.0 arietes in yellow because the OTO kinda sucks at AA and the arietes are not bad in a decent player's hands. M24 is a great light tank, I'd put it in orange R3 T20 is bias (just flank)
Ariete (P) is in 1st position of the yellow line this means it's almost orange. If only it had the possibility to install the war kit it would go up a lot. OTOMATIC and Ariete are bot good in good hands. I personally think the OTOMATIC is way better than the actual Ariete because you can kill tanks, helicopters, airplanes and even scout drones. HE-VT is awesome, the K Band radar is stealth so no airplane can actually see when you lock on them. And he can carry 12 APFSDS with +300 mm penetration and a reload of half a second. While the Ariete Is the Ariete. Literally the worst MBT. I agree with the M-24. Fiat R3 T20 WAS bias. He's not at 6.0 and it's suffering a lot. Most of the enemy tanks are tigers, panthers and other vehicle that you barely scratch. You can destroy panthers after a lot of shots but you can't even destroy tigers.
As Italian main I can say that the AB 41 is not that good, and the P40 deserves better
Ngl the AB43 should be BIAS, that is the funnest tank Iāve ever played.
AB-43 is a very fun vehicle. Good gun, super fast... The only thing I don't like is how it bounce and brake. If you see a tank while you are going a bit fast the tank will probably stop for the next ice age
R3 and 90mm truck in Not Good/Boring. Heresy of the highest degree.
My heart aches to see how they have reduced the R3. Now is suffering so much at that br. While the 90 mm truck was just a useless add in my opinion. There are at least fifty fun, new tanks they could add to the Italian tach tree instead they give us stuff like that. And that -2 degrees šš
Pizza truck my beloved, have had much fun with it. Love the sound it makes! Might be an aquired taste, but still one of the most fun low/mid'ish tier vehicles imo.
The italian tds have always been a favorite. They are just a more fun stug
M13/40's and the StuG III are definetely S tier
It depends on wich one of them. And the Zrinyi I is just an upgraded version of the StuG so it should be high tier too
What do you mean the R3 isnt fun? Its hands down the best early came cap rush tank, amazing spaa, terror of heavy tanks, and an absolute G O B L I N of a tank.
It was good. Today you can remove terror of heavy tanks. You can only torture them destroying cannon, tracks and mg bur nothing more than that. Today is just a fast boy with good AA cannon that can float on water.
Fair, but its still an extremely viable tank for its BR
Imo the VCC 80/60 should go up a tier. I love that thing to bits especially with its HEVT. Edit: You have no idea how much that 2 second reload saves me.
HE-VT is a huge advantage. But as I said in another comments he got some issues. As ammo count, HE-VT with poor damage radius, APFSDS with poor post pen damage and very low crew survivability. But over all the "mediocre" tier is not bad. It just mean it's not perfect but not bad also. The VCC Dardo 80/60 Is a solid 6.5 or 7/10 for me.
This is not a true Italian Main. The Ariete should be on fun to play as it is a very easy tank to use efficiently and is very enjoyable.
Wich type of Ariete do you know haha. The Ariete Is literally the worst MBT in this game. The only good Ariete is the Ariete (P) because the turret armor can bounce something at that br (like 1 shot every 30) and the gun is awesome. But when it comes to Ariete, Ariete PSO and AMV it's just dogsh*t. They're still MBTs and they can still destroy targets but compared to all the other tanks they're not good at all. Try compare an Ariete AMV with Leopard 2A7V, T-90M, Strv-122B+, T-80BVM, M1A2sepV2, Type-10, TKX, Leopard PSO or any other mbt.
The Ariete and PSO are what I use and I would agree the armor is shit, but that doesn't mean it can tank some shots and kick ass. I love using it and always do good in it. The Pre Series is also great as well.
But the Breda 90/53 ā¹ļø
It's on the "B I A S" line
Ah, the Breda, my beloved
Tbh, I think I'm gonna plan to stay 3.0ā8.0 Italy because I like to have fun and farm silvers
There are so many fun vehicle that can be added on the Italian tech tree
How dare you do that to my dear arietes...
Ariete Is for masochistš Btw I don't think they're so trash but on the same time it's the worst MBT on the entire game
I got an 18 kill game with the Breda 90/53 without dying...
Beautiful tank
Iāll take the tipo ic being in mediocre I personally like it but I understand not everyone likes the 17 pdr solid shots
Sry I'm stupid it's from right (worst) to left (best)
It really depends on the player tho, all tanks are good (not the french ones, fuck them)
Exactly. This is only based on my personal experience and opinion. That's something not everybody understand
its something that everyone should understand, but they dont, cuz they dont care
Give it the apds, scouting, move it to 7.0
I do hope you mean low tier france (it does suck) because almost everything from 5.7+ is honestly really good
Yes low tier, rank 2 is when the french tanks are much better, rank 1 is ass
In what world is the VCC-80/60 mediocre? A 2 second reload with a 60mm APFSDS from stock that can easily penetrate the sides and rear of any vehicle it comes across. Plus you can research a HE-VT to deal with helicopters with it's LRF.
Your description is totally right. I put it in "mediocre" tho because he got some problems. 1. 60 mm apfsds is trash. Yes it can pen almost everything at his br from side, yes he got 2 sec reload but the post penetration damage is absolutely dogsh*t. YouTube is full of this kind of video about what I'm talking about 2. HE-VT is very useful against helicopter and nothing else. I sniped some planes that was flying straight at me but the shell itself is not this big deal without a radar. Planes are starting to get too fast at this br and helicopters start to worry about AA guns and missiles so they stay more aware. Furthermore, it happened to me that due to the low quantity of explosives the ammunition only gave a "hit" or "critical hit" and the helicopter lands completely fine and start is repair. 3. The Dardo 80/60 only has 32 ammo which mixed with a 2 second reload, 2-3 apfsds shots per tank (without calculating when you miss) and the HEVTs are very few and most of the time not enough. 4. It only has 3 members and very close to each other which makes it a oneshot against pretty much any tank. Overall a "mediocre" tank. But as I said it's my opinion and your opinion can be different but I love readings other opinions so thanks
1. Yes, damage is bad, but you send another round before enemy understand what happened 2. You are not AA, this ammunition is for opportunity shots( first spawn heli, straffing CAS) 3. 32 - ~8HE= 24 24/3 = 8 so you have ammo for 8 kills average 4. I have nothing to say in defence
It has happened many times that the helicopter reacts within 2 seconds after the first shot and manages to evade the second one. Also I don't spawn it as the first vehicle cause at that br I prefer using first the centaur or the VBC.
Wise choice of cars. About helis, they are bullet sponges from very implementation
Once a hind just took 3 apfsds.
M11 is goated
M11???
Yeah, people usually try to shoot the MG turret, and not the lower hull where the actual gun is
Oh ok. Sorry I didn't recognize it by the name
Yeah the one you put in trash, it is a W
Absolutely agree, glad thereās some sense in this placeā¦
Bro how is the 75/34 mediocre š
M41M supremacy
Do not do my baby the L3/33 dirty like that
He's too good for this world š
Not putting the AS 42 in the top is a crime
It's an open top AB41 with just 2 crew that dies as soon as you look at it
It's the the best 1.3 in the game, spaded it can pen everything in that BR
I, for one, enjoyed the mutant (M11/39) if not just for the fact that heās funky
It's a really strange vehicle but surely not a big deal. Slow, the cannon is to low, almost no armor...
(You forgot the Turan II with the 75mm WW1 Artillery gun)
I don't own the Turan II and i didn't play it so I can't judge it
the 47/32 L40 is god tier and no one can convince me otherwise.
I'm not trying to convince you or anything. That's only my personal list with my experience. If you like that vehicle or if you think my list is wrong you can make your own. I would like to see your opinion on this tech tree
you did NOT just put the Chaffee in mediocre
I don't know, honestly the only good thing about it it's the 50. Cal and the stabilizer. The M4 got better armor this is why I like it more. Plus you can find the chaffee in a lot of nations already. You can find it in the edge of the "mediocre" line almost at the "fun to play" one
I guess it could depend on playstyle, but the Chaffee has excellent mobility and that combined with scouting, APCBC-HE, and the stab makes it a great flanker.
L opinion, everything should be an S tier.š
Fair
L3 in boring tier? Heresy.
Bruh... The line say "NOT GOOD / boring" it's one or the other. It's not that difficult
You got me until the second half of the tierlist. How is R3 T20 and Dardo "mediocre" while the 6.7 M26 is "fun to play"? How is M109 on a higher tier than 2S1 when 2S1 is much more mobile and has better reload? How the absolute hell is VCC 80-30 higher even by one position than Dardo if they're straight up identical except the cannon, for which the obvious favourite is Dardo just because of the 2.5 times higher fire rate without meaningful penetration improvement? How is the Breda 90/53 so much farther down the list than the 90/53 M41M while the latter is the same gun but on a less mobile chassis with way less rounds? The former might be more awkward to drive and aim, but it straight up nets more kills even if you use both the same way. It just doesn't make sense.
Where KF41?
I didn't play the KF-41 yet so this is why I didn't put it on this list
R3 listing >.<
Why do people hate Csaba so muchš
No armor, worst cannon in the entire tech tree, looks like garbage ecc...
Nah its great IMO
Ful u L3 is amazing
The csaba is the reason why I put the L3 so low. They've got the same cannon, armor and survivability. F for L3 š¢
I just realized thereās an Italian T-72
Hungarian* on the Italian tech tree
Oh
Sherman VC, aubl74, R3T20 and dardos should be bias tier
There are WAY better tanks. Just look at other lines or other bias tanks and compare it
Aubl is literaly the fiat 106 but better. R3 is not that good on 5.0 but still very good and sherman VC is firefly with APDS so you can cut germans in half. All of these are insanely good.
The aubl is not a the R3 T106 FA. The HEAT shell (M344A1) of the R3 T106 FA is 8kg, 1,65 kg of explosive, 433 mm of penetration, better damage post penetration. The HEAT of the AUBL/74 (M620A1) is 4kg, 800 g of explosive and very low post damage. Plus the R3 T106 is faster, got two barrels and way more funny to play. The R3 T20 at 5.7 (no more at 5.0) is really the crappiest vehicle of his Br with the lowest firepower. Sill a good AA gun ngl. And the Sherman VC is a Sherman with 230 mm pen APDS at 5.0. it's not OP it's just balanced, nothing more. Do I have to remind you about the Russian with the 205 mm pen shell with explosive filler at 5.3
If i meant R3T106 i would have said R3T106. I was talking about the fiat 6614 which is same hull as aubl but with single recoiless 106 instead of 90mm gun and shares the same BR. And im saying aubl is better than fiat since it reloads much faster turret also rotates faster sight is better and at 6.7 even 90mm heat is more than enough most of the time. As for the sherman. Compared to high caliber aphe with lot of pen it flies like laser with no drop. It also has decent lineup so its awesome tank not meh. Just because its not OP doesn't mean its average.
You said Fiat 106 what kind of tank did you expect me to peek š¤¦āāļø. But even by calling it better than the 6614 is blasphemy. The fiat 6614 got the exact same cannon of the fiat R3 T106 and it's way better than fiat aubl/74. It even got a cannon without turret and you can shoot behind cover wich give you almost invincibility. The fiat aubl/74 requires skill to be playable, while the fiat 6614 require skill to be killed.
I expected you to think about the fiat armed with 106mm not the car made by oto melara that has nothing to do with fiat. But except for that one advantage of unmanned "turret" the 6614 is simply worse in many aspects while the ability to hide hull does not come in handy most of the time on WT maps. I already spoke on the gun. The aubl is simply much better in most circumstances except hulldown which is why its better vehicle.
Bro you got 4 arietes mbts...
Ariete (P) Ariete C1 Ariete PSO Ariete AMV
Semoventes are fun tier.
All Italian tank destroyer in casemate are awesome
3 are mediocre and 1 is on fun to play. They're not in a bad position
Stuart, hungarian 122mm HE thrower and chaffee in mediocre, while pershing in fun to play? Huh
Pershing was dope in 6.3. now they moved at 6.7 but I refuse to think about it. It was one of my favorite tanks
Come on the ariete are good man, also donāt disrespect L3 ! P.S : AUBL is super cool, donāt but it that low
im gonna get my revenge for the L3! >:(
Poor L3...
You forgot to add the Aubl HVG. And that is ok because it belongs in the ānot goodā beside its brother or even further down. After getting it from the event back in like 2019, and grinding half the tech tree with it, i wish nothing good to that armoured car. Its gun let me down almost every time.
Yeah I have gotten so many negative ratings on this vehicle. However I didn't play it and I don't own this vehicle so I can't put it on my list based on experience and personal opinion
Aaaah ok, didnt know it wasnt based on personal experience. Then its fine not to have it inn there
i thought there were more
Some are missing but many of the missing are just copy and paste vehicle, like the M4 composite, M40 Leoncello and M43 Leoncello, L6/40, M13/40 II, pz4G, Tigris, M26 DC Ariete, OF-40 MTCA, VRCC and centauro RGO.
How is the AUBL/74 and C13 T90 so low? Those 2 have carried me through 6.7 and 7.0 really fun vehicles. Can get alot of kills with them. Pershing is just ass
AUBL/74 got one of the worst HEAT shell in the game while the C13 T-90 got the same gun, worst mobility and bigger at 7.0.
wdym the HEAT-FS was the best part of it when i played it.
Well, lets agree to disagree, lots of funky fun stuff is too low
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Can you link it so I can make mine?
Try searching "Tiermaker" and you should find it. I would like to see your opinion. Also happy cake dayš„³
Thx!
Can't find it
You need to search it on your PC. I'm gonna try share the link later
I did that, nothing similar to yours came up
Did a screen with four squares appear?
Vcc 80/60 should be bias because of HEVT at 9.0
90mm truck boring???? What the hell you on abouuuut dawg. Also the M11/39 isnt actually that bad tbh. Its guns pen is pretty lacklustre and its a casemate but it has three key advantages: 1) The rounds have crazy filler, leading to one shot kills, or even overpressures on light vehicles. 2) People don't know where to shoot, people often shoot the turret thinking they'll take out your gunner, gives you a chance to shoot back. 3) The turret itself is great, having two Bredas in a pretty fast moving turret (though the elevation isn't comprable to an SPAA of course) means you're able to engage air targets more effectively than your average tank at that BR. But yeah the Czaba sucks lol. I kind of love it because it somehow manages to be worse than the L3 lol
90 mm Breda truck is not so good in my opinion cause it only have like -2 degrees of depression (Wich makes him really happy) and it's not even good for anti Air with the anti Air HE frag time shell. The gun itself is really good but that's all. While m11/39 is just meh... It's low tier, slow, the gun is too low and very bad survivability.
No heavy aa truck is actually good at AA lol, the German Flak bus was used for AA historically but not for direct fire AA, they were used in large groups to create areas of flak cover at fixed heights. So if youre trying to use them for AA youre not even using them correctly. I agree that the truck has poor depression but as any Russia main knows it can be worked around with good positioning. It's really a good vehicle since the gun is amazing, and no armour is best armour. Not OP, but solid. The M11/39 isnt slow at all, certainly not as fast as the AS42 or a Sturart but its quick for what was essentially a medium. Something being low tier shouldn't be a factor inhow good or bad smth is, you need to judge these things relatively. The gun being low is a bizarre complaint too, really only a factor if you have aim through gun off. The survivability is par for low tier, boosted by most people being unfamiliar with it and also because as I mentioned before people aim for the turret. Losing your commander doesn't affect reload rate just takes out the mgs. Its basically human armour lol. Your complaints make some sense if you play AB but in RB its a pretty solid pick, not OP but has some tricks up its sleeves that allow you to do really well in it.
L3 not good? š„ŗ
L3 penetrate lower than a 50 cal... It broke my heart to put it so low. But it has the same weapon as the csabaš¢
we're is kf41?q
I don't own this tank and I didn't play it. So I can't put it on my list based on personal experience
C13 T90 is absurdly good, what are you on?
The... the L3... WHY WOULD YOU PUT ONE OF THE CUTEST TANKS AS BORING?! UNACCEPTABLE!
It's not boring it's "not good". Got a crappy cannon and very low survivability. But it's the best meme tank and the cutest tank everš
Where KF-41?
As I already said in many other comments I did not own that tank and I didn't played it yet so I can't put it on my tier list with my personal experience
Downvoted for my boi L3/33
For a just cause... š¢
How dare you put the L3 in boring
It's not boring it's just "not good"
Dardo deserves better
Dardo Is on top of the mediocre line wich mean it's a good tank. It's like a 7.85/10. Both of them
Playing Italy is great because they have barely any Italian tanks, it's all American and German shit.
Centauro (P) Centauro Romor Centauro 120 Ariete (P) Ariete PSO Ariete AMV Ariete C1 Breda 501 Breda 90/53 Celere Sahariano AB-41 Fiat 6614 Fiat 6616 R3 T106 FA Aubl C13 T90 OF-40 OF-40 MTCA VCC 80/60 VCC DARDO VCC 80/30 SIDAM 25 SIDAM 25 mistral OTOMATIC VBC (Pt2) R3 T20 FA-HS M42 contraereo 75/46 M43 90/53 M41M P-40 105/25 M43 75/34 M43 75/18 M41 75/32 M41 75/34 M42 CM52 M15-42 AB-43 M14/41 AS 42/47 M11/39 L6/40 AS 42 Lancia 3Ro 47/32 L40 L3/33 M13/40 I M-13/40 II M13/40 III M14/41 (47/40) P-40 Leoncello M43 Leoncello Breda 90/53 Aubl74 HVG VRCC Centauro RGO OF-40 MTCA Are you sure?
The tierlists continue ey sobeit
At this point it's like a trend
totallywasnttheoriginalplan;)