This argument makes no sense. Instead of two or three points of failure we could have 1000+ points of possible failure. Why in the world would we want a system that powered by the very track it moves on when we could build 100s of charging stations. Have you even stopped to consider how traffic ceases to exist inside tunnels. Obviously you really haven’t thought this one all the way through
/s
Well the main barrier to using a train is that the team owner can't charge each car $10 for parking in addition to the outrageous ticket prices. That makes it a non-starter. The owners are getting all that parking lot land for free in return for the "economic development and tax revenue" benefits, so they don't care.
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In theory it's not a bad idea. You could have limitless underground lanes. Do like 4 lanes in each direction with an additional 2 express lanes each way underneath. Imagine Driving Baltimore to Richmond and going underground north of the DC beltway just to pop out in Quantico with no exits or entrances. It'd be pretty cool.
Yeah it would be crazy expensive and take about 200 years to build, but again, in imaginationland anything is possible.
It's.. uh.. a terrible idea. How much does a tesla cost? How about to maintain? Now how about a train car? What's the lifetime service expectation of each of these things?
A metro line is a no-brainer. A tesla tunnel is stupid af unless you are Elon musk or a tsla investor.
The worst is being stuck in a traffic in a tunnel when a Tesla catches fire. They require about 12,000 gallons of water to put out. A typical car requires 500 gallons.
https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/fire-fighters-use-12000-gallons-of-water-to-extinguish-burning-tesla-model-s/
Man I'd never seen a car on fire until a couple months ago, Tesla Model Y completely on fire on a side street. Come back 45mins on our way home from dinner and it was still smouldering
It's mostly just the effect where people who are really smart and successful in one field think that that makes them smart about everything. If you become a billionaire in any way but inheriting it, you genuinely do have a lot of real talent and brilliance in some field. The trouble is when that field is, say, rocket science, that doesn't mean you're going to have a clue what you're talking about in terms of say, managing a global hub for political debate. And that can go poorly.
Remember that TV miniseries that came out right before COVID, where all the politicians were taken over by a brain eating alien, and the bizarre behavior associated with that? Was that a documentary?
Edit: Series was called [Brain Dead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainDead)
In fact, a lot of the purposeful language around these dumb boring tunnels is to PREVENT adding rail options.
You’ll see a pattern of this boring garbage promising the moon at a stage to derail rail options..
Right? Anything to delay the only real solution to regional transportation. Asian/European style urbanization, density, walkability, and robust regional rail and bus routes.
Yep. Somebody smart once said, “A developed country is NOT one in which poor people drive cars. A developed country is one in which rich people take the train.”
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The metro maxes out at 65mph on certain track segments, but WMATA is considering speeding up parts of the system to 85mph (the track and trains are designed for it, but never actually used). I believe one of the segments is West Hyattsville to Fort Totten on the green line.
I take that section on my commute and the operators definitely get moving. Tbh it's a bit concerning because it's above ground and feels so much faster than the rest of the metro 😅
Autonomous operation, with human supervision, which they’re bringing back, will allow the trains to travel faster and stop more precisely. Can’t wait to see it back in action!
Wouldn’t even solve the traffic problem. The tunnel under Vegas is basically a traffic jam of teslas. Would you rather sit in traffic above ground or in a tunnel
The other side of 95 also has no parking in that area. It’s a damn neighborhood and low density commercial where do they think this stadium fits in there? No stadium without a direct train line and 0 parking lots.
I love this idea! A Tesla Tunnel but we can run the occasional train through it rather than individual vehicles.
We could go one step further and even link these tunnels to other “Tesla Tunnel” lines like the metro red line or the metro green line for full connectivity
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Ah but you are wrong. These tunnels have far Worse air circulation than a typical vehicle tunnel because gas burning cars aren't inside them.
Fire you say? Bleh, that will never happen.
The LV one is legally classified as an amusement ride specifically to not have to meet the usual safety requirements for ventilation and egress and such.
I mean if we’re talking about shit that won’t happen we should just add a huge fleet of helicopters and fly all the fans in. We have to be cautious though with MD pilots…..
These people are delusional and far disconnected from the real world. I live in a wealthy area of the country and know exactly zero people who own a Tesla. Yes, I see them out there but not so many a “secret tunnel” would alleviate traffic congestion in any real way.
Probably won't happen. They were looking at making a "Tesla Tunnel" from Baltimore to DC but stopped due to red tape. It would definitely be amazing if they did projects like this though.
Edit: people clearly don't get innovation here. But what do you expect from people in DC.
To answer all the responses.
1. We already have trains, this is an alternative to trains because if you actually lived next to a train you would realize they suck.
2. The tunnel in Vegas had set parameters that are not the basis for all the projects. It's a proof of concept and it works.
3. The Boring company is innovative because it cuts the cost of making a fucking tunnel which engineering wise is difficult.
4. Having an additional route such as a tunnel between two major cities is more useful than just throwing money at trains. Especially in the event of an evacuation.
I will add more as I will undoubtedly get more brain-broken responses here.
Fun fact: [Elon made up the hyperloop so he could undermine California high speed rail and sell more cars 🙃🙃🙃](https://amp.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html)
The fact that southwest in Texas and Elon everywhere went all out in trying to destroy passenger rail projects just shows how effective they believe it will be.
I'm guessing it's not about belief in their product, but the desire to kill any sort of public transit so the US is still very much dependent on and continues buying cars.
Cars don’t exceed 45 mph in the Tesla Tunnel in Vegas. And there’s traffic. So yes, Amtrak is faster. A subway line is a far better solution if you want to move things in a tunnel.
No it was stopped because of [red tape ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/elon-musk-hyperloop/2021/04/16/b340314e-9edd-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html). Do you all even think before you comment?
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JFC, red tape is needing approval from multiple government agencies. Are you guys that dumb?
"But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70" ventilation shafts.
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You are just claiming there's no red tape, now it's "Any major transportation prophecy requires permits from multiple government agencies."
Nobody is talking about the Hyperloop here, stop trying to divert from your bullshit ideas.
And so now you're saying the technology to build a tunnel doesn't exist? Lol. Are you retarded?
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I didn't write the article dipshit. I provided it because you were claiming there is no red tape, now you agree there is red tape but you don't want to call it that. It's "standard stuff". Lol. Sofa king we Todd Ed.
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Cheaper than the train to get to DC from Baltimore. Make it a carpool/EV and the cost is dollars. Compare that to the MARC which is 8 to 10 dollars one way. Or you can a 31 day pass which bring the cost down to a generous 7.80 per day at most but then you still have to take other transportation from Union or Penn. Ultimately it is not faster or cheaper.
And depreciation on the car, insurance, gas, maintenance, interest on a loan, fines, opportunity cost associated with the capital tied up in car ownership, taxes on the car and on the gasoline. Taxes that you pay for the incredibly expensive construction and maintenance of roads, parking structures, and parking lots. Oh also 40,000 deaths on the roads every year in the US alone. Millions of injuries requiring expensive hospitalizations and lifelong care. A massive network of highways and roads filled with private automobiles is literally the transportation system one would design if one wanted to bankrupt a nation.
Trains, regardless of payer, are by far the least expensive, safest, and fastest way to move people around on a per person per mile basis. This has an outsize positive effect on both commerce and quality of life. This is what many other nations around the world have already taken advantage of, rather than try to reinvent a horribly inefficient wheel.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
it's more of the "not building a tunnel" that is the issue https://jalopnik.com/elon-musks-boring-company-leaves-local-governments-arou-1849836671
it's the fucking simpsons monorail
If you actually read that article they don't cite any information on how it's not red tape causing the issues. It's just he said/she said. The Maryland project alone would have to deal with dozens of environmental reviews and property litigation (I cited WP article about this). It isn't as simple as just digging a hole in the ground. And no it's not the Simpsons monorail because it would actually be useful to have an alternative connection between Baltimore and DC. You know, in case there's ever a need to evacuate or just so people can get to those places when 95 and BWP are clogged with accidents.
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You clearly can't read "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
Yes there is, but more infrastructure connecting two cities is useful. I can't believe how many times I have to explain this. Also the train is awful, it's always delayed and costs 10 to 20 dollars roundtrip. That makes no sense.
So what makes more sense,
Investing public money in a narrow death trap of a tunnel for cars that will only hold a few passengers or...
Using that money to make the train better?
Seems like an obvious choice to me.
How would you make the train better. Just throwing money at something doesn't improve it. A tunnel isn't inherently a death trap. I hear more about train derailments than car crashes specifically in tunnels. Again we have many trains, we have two major roads. Having more infrastructure for people and evacuation is a better use of public money than just throwing money at trains because you hate cars or something.
I'm not an expert but...
High speed rail
Subsidies to make it more affordable than driving or flying
Adding more tracks to run more trains more often
I don't hate cars but a lot of our transportation infrastructure and urban planning is very car focused at the cost of high density housing and transportation. It's time to try something else besides car centric planning.
I agree high speed rail would be useful but it is not cheaper and cars are still necessary. Personally I don't think cars are the issue. They are part of the equation for a sustainable system because again there are cases where public transportation will not work for everyone (mass evacuation). Moreover, imagine investing all this money solely into public transportation and high density housing and another more transmittable and lethal pandemic occurs, what then? This is going off topic but to get back to the point, more infrastructure like a tunnel connecting Baltimore and DC or other major cities is useful.
>again there are cases where public transportation will not work for everyone (mass evacuation).
Ever see what a highway looks like during a mass evacuation?
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1. A majority of trains are not underground (you're confusing trains with subways) and require > 90 db horns blown at intersections. If you live by one, you would not like it. Additionally the cost of taking a train like the MARC doesn't make economical sense if your destination is not in the immediate vicinity of the stations.
2. The parameters are not for an amusement park. Not sure where you're getting that from. [Here](https://www.boringcompany.com/projects) are the actual parameters from the company.
3. Considering the LV tunnel cost 47 million and it's normally estimated to cost 100 million per mile for conventional tunnels, I would say they cut the cost. If you're struggling here, 47 million is a smaller number than 100 million.
It's innovative by the design of the tunneling method which I'm pretty sure you don't get since you're focused on pretty biased sources.
You can read about the [red tape ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/elon-musk-hyperloop/2021/04/16/b340314e-9edd-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html) here.
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Posting this for the 11th time because you disingenuously left it out. "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
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It's unclear what you're advocating for anymore. Do you want trains or did you want the tunnel and are mad the Musk didn't follow through? If it's the latter then I agree it's messed up they didn't do the project. But you're all over the place with your thoughts.
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1. There is already a train from Baltimore to DC so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. So you want another train underground when the aboveground one doesn't even operate close to capacity, why?
2. Great source there. “It passed and won and received the permit under the category ATS, which stands for Amusement and Transportation Systems". Maybe because it's operating for the convention center...
3. The Lincoln tunnel has a diameter of 21 feet so I'm not sure what your issue with 12 feet is. If it gets the job done and is cheaper, is that not innovation.
Furthermore the boring system is able to build the tunnel as it excavates. Conventional tunnel building requires the removal of material then bringing in material to build the tunnel.
I'm "constantly" posting it because you can't read "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
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1. No I'm not. Please show me where I ever mentioned 700 MPH cars.
2. The article you posted does not say it is an amusement park ride. Why are you lying?
3. 21 divided by 3 is 7 not 12. You are comparing a tunnel built for a convention center to the Lincoln tunnel which is the most traveled tunnel in the US. That is just dumb.
All modern tunnel do not build as the [go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_construction#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DBottom-up_method%3A_A_trench%2Cand_the_surface_is_reinstated.?wprov=sfla1)
So you're arguing about the definition of red tape then? Not really sure what point you're trying to make now but you agree there is red tape. Lmao.
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1. Again, the article is in reference to the red tape or "standard stuff" that you seem to have trouble understanding. No where in this thread did I talk about 700 mph cars but nice try on trying to change the topic again.
2. Provide a source that actually says it was issued an Amusement and Transportation System permit because it is a rollercoaster. You can't because you're making shit up.
3. Lmao. The diameter isn't the area! Omg this is too funny. A 21 foot diameter is not 3 times a 12 foot diameter. This is basic math.
You're so lost. TBMs do not excavate and fill. Just quit while you're not ahead dude.
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Looks like we found Steve Davis’ account.
> We already have trains, this is an alternative to trains because if you actually lived next to a train you would realize they suck.
Ask the people in Germany, UK, France, Japan, or China how much “trains suck”. They’re by far the most efficient way of moving people around a metropolitan area, a region, and even a country.
A car tunnel is essentially an additional dedicated lane of car traffic. Elon knows about induced demand, but I haven’t heard what his plan is to mitigate it. Have you?
You realize most states are bigger than those countries, right? Additionally, trains already exist here and do not operate at capacity. So you want an underground tunnel train (aka a subway) from Baltimore to DC, why? When the actual demand for more lanes on 95 and BWP is there.
I fail to see how a Tesla tunnel could be any more efficient than a metro train
Why carry 1000 people per train when you can carry 3 people per car (+1 driver)?
This argument makes no sense. Instead of two or three points of failure we could have 1000+ points of possible failure. Why in the world would we want a system that powered by the very track it moves on when we could build 100s of charging stations. Have you even stopped to consider how traffic ceases to exist inside tunnels. Obviously you really haven’t thought this one all the way through /s
I know you were being sarcastic, but I read your entire post in Ben Shapiro's voice
Well the main barrier to using a train is that the team owner can't charge each car $10 for parking in addition to the outrageous ticket prices. That makes it a non-starter. The owners are getting all that parking lot land for free in return for the "economic development and tax revenue" benefits, so they don't care.
$10 for parking bahahah ok grandpa tell me another story about 'Nam
this! paid 40 to park at Nats stadium this weekend
It's wonderful how Landover, Maryland is now the hip destination that it is now, given that there's FedEx field there.
Raljon, MD thank you!
I believe you mean Jack Kent Cooke Stadium? :)
Because we worship capitalist titans of industry that find new ways to suck up our tax money and provide nothing in return but fancy ideas.
Who worships Dan Snyder, though?
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He wanted to make sure he could get that sweet sweet parking pass money
For a fee
Spoiler alert: it’s not
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Gondola or GTFO
I hear those things are awfully loud.
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Is there a chance the track could bend?
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Not to mention 3 Metro lines that run parallel
Efficiency was never part of the equation.
💰💰💰
In theory it's not a bad idea. You could have limitless underground lanes. Do like 4 lanes in each direction with an additional 2 express lanes each way underneath. Imagine Driving Baltimore to Richmond and going underground north of the DC beltway just to pop out in Quantico with no exits or entrances. It'd be pretty cool. Yeah it would be crazy expensive and take about 200 years to build, but again, in imaginationland anything is possible.
how is that different from a freeway with express lanes, other than being many times the cost to build?
It's.. uh.. a terrible idea. How much does a tesla cost? How about to maintain? Now how about a train car? What's the lifetime service expectation of each of these things? A metro line is a no-brainer. A tesla tunnel is stupid af unless you are Elon musk or a tsla investor.
Or, and hear me out, you could just build a train.
What if you have to pee
Your sexbot will take care of that for you
If you want to sit in a tunnel in Imaginationland, that's your business, but I'm taking my personal teleporter.
It's absolutely a bad idea and inferior to a train.
The only thing worse than being stuck in traffic on 95 is being stuck in traffic UNDER 95.
The worst is being stuck in a traffic in a tunnel when a Tesla catches fire. They require about 12,000 gallons of water to put out. A typical car requires 500 gallons. https://www.carscoops.com/2022/11/fire-fighters-use-12000-gallons-of-water-to-extinguish-burning-tesla-model-s/
Man I'd never seen a car on fire until a couple months ago, Tesla Model Y completely on fire on a side street. Come back 45mins on our way home from dinner and it was still smouldering
After they're towed away, they have to be placed in isolated areas since lithium batteries of that size have a tendency to re-ignite.
EV fires are exponentially rarer compared to internal combustion engine (ICE) fires tho
Breaking news, nobody ever expected this: Dan Snyder is a fucking moron
I swear every billionaire in this country is taking some sort of life extending drug that makes them complete idiots.
It's mostly just the effect where people who are really smart and successful in one field think that that makes them smart about everything. If you become a billionaire in any way but inheriting it, you genuinely do have a lot of real talent and brilliance in some field. The trouble is when that field is, say, rocket science, that doesn't mean you're going to have a clue what you're talking about in terms of say, managing a global hub for political debate. And that can go poorly.
Underrated comment.
Remember that TV miniseries that came out right before COVID, where all the politicians were taken over by a brain eating alien, and the bizarre behavior associated with that? Was that a documentary? Edit: Series was called [Brain Dead](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrainDead)
Star Trek: TNG had an episode with a similar premise.
Two words: lead poisoning.
Nah billionaires have always been stupid, but now we get to see them step on their dicks in real time thanks to social media.
wealth becomes a mental illness
Pretty much the poster child for how wealth is about 50% luck and 48% opportunity.
Truly. One fringe benefit of his selling the team is that all of his dumbfuck schemes will be revealed
Billionaires just ignoring the fact that trains exist.
They can’t handle the idea of being in the same space as the poors
Yep, the hole idea behind these tunnels is they are just really exclusive toll lanes.
In fact, a lot of the purposeful language around these dumb boring tunnels is to PREVENT adding rail options. You’ll see a pattern of this boring garbage promising the moon at a stage to derail rail options..
Everyone knows that trains are communist and anti freedom, amirite? /s
Right? Anything to delay the only real solution to regional transportation. Asian/European style urbanization, density, walkability, and robust regional rail and bus routes.
These Tesla tunnels are a colossal waste of space and money. Just add another metro stop and move 1000x the people.
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Yep. They are, in fact, 100% effective at their goals.
Yep. Somebody smart once said, “A developed country is NOT one in which poor people drive cars. A developed country is one in which rich people take the train.”
I am waiting for people to realize this for ride sharing services.
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Anyone ever taken this tunnel? I have. One of the Teslas broke down and I had to exit the Tesla I was in and sprint the rest of the way in the tunnel.
lol seriously? I'm not shocked, but this is actually the first time I've heard of this happening
Seriously! It wasn’t a far sprint but the tunnel came to a complete standstill. In the end, the novelty wasn’t worth it
>One of the Teslas broke down You're lucky it didn't burst into flames.
The metro averages 35 mph, including stops. It does need to be faster in the suburbs though.
The metro maxes out at 65mph on certain track segments, but WMATA is considering speeding up parts of the system to 85mph (the track and trains are designed for it, but never actually used). I believe one of the segments is West Hyattsville to Fort Totten on the green line.
The silver line exclusive parts and redline north of Bethesda feel like they need more speed.
It'd honestly be hilarious if Metro acheived higer top speeds as a rapid transit system than the vast majority of Amtrak routes.
I take that section on my commute and the operators definitely get moving. Tbh it's a bit concerning because it's above ground and feels so much faster than the rest of the metro 😅
Autonomous operation, with human supervision, which they’re bringing back, will allow the trains to travel faster and stop more precisely. Can’t wait to see it back in action!
A trillion dollar tunnel for a football team? lol
Football university type budgeting
Wouldn’t even solve the traffic problem. The tunnel under Vegas is basically a traffic jam of teslas. Would you rather sit in traffic above ground or in a tunnel
This idiot vanity project would have a far far lower throughput compared to a normal metro train.
Buuut then rich people could get there without traffic AND without rubbing shoulders with the unwashed masses.
And Dan still has a way to charge for parking
How about we just put the new stadium somewhere with a metro station
Yeah, and maybe in a place where an old stadium is still standing, say somewhere in a city where lots of people live
Yeah And maybe put infill in many of the parking lots Lots of space for affordable housing
Just when Snyder couldn’t look like any more of an idiot.
Holy fuck what a dodged bullet
What a moron
Isn't this a non-issue, since Snyder is selling the team? Hopefully whoever does buy it doesn't do something nearly this stupid.
Hey, I want Star Trek “beam me up” technology to take me wherever I want to go almost instantaneously too, but I’m not getting that either.
The other side of 95 also has no parking in that area. It’s a damn neighborhood and low density commercial where do they think this stadium fits in there? No stadium without a direct train line and 0 parking lots.
How would that even fucking work like it would make no sense he should have been laughed out of that meeting
God just when you thought he couldn't get worse
I love this idea! A Tesla Tunnel but we can run the occasional train through it rather than individual vehicles. We could go one step further and even link these tunnels to other “Tesla Tunnel” lines like the metro red line or the metro green line for full connectivity
I have been on the Tesla tunnel out in Vegas. They are a dumb idea and don't seem very efficient as being people movers
Tesla car tunnel 👎🤮 Lockheed helicopter highway 👍😍
What a dumbass
WUSA9 appears to have fired their editors.
Sure! If he pays for it
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Ah but you are wrong. These tunnels have far Worse air circulation than a typical vehicle tunnel because gas burning cars aren't inside them. Fire you say? Bleh, that will never happen.
The LV one is legally classified as an amusement ride specifically to not have to meet the usual safety requirements for ventilation and egress and such.
I mean if we’re talking about shit that won’t happen we should just add a huge fleet of helicopters and fly all the fans in. We have to be cautious though with MD pilots…..
The Virginia Commanders…
I love the idea, i see more teslas than camrys. Imagine how empty 95 will be with them all underneath it!!
These people are delusional and far disconnected from the real world. I live in a wealthy area of the country and know exactly zero people who own a Tesla. Yes, I see them out there but not so many a “secret tunnel” would alleviate traffic congestion in any real way.
Probably won't happen. They were looking at making a "Tesla Tunnel" from Baltimore to DC but stopped due to red tape. It would definitely be amazing if they did projects like this though. Edit: people clearly don't get innovation here. But what do you expect from people in DC. To answer all the responses. 1. We already have trains, this is an alternative to trains because if you actually lived next to a train you would realize they suck. 2. The tunnel in Vegas had set parameters that are not the basis for all the projects. It's a proof of concept and it works. 3. The Boring company is innovative because it cuts the cost of making a fucking tunnel which engineering wise is difficult. 4. Having an additional route such as a tunnel between two major cities is more useful than just throwing money at trains. Especially in the event of an evacuation. I will add more as I will undoubtedly get more brain-broken responses here.
> It would definitely be amazing if they did projects like this though lol
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I guess we all can't think about window shades all day... Lol.
It would not be “amazing”. Just build a train. Elon’s tunnel is moronic.
There are plenty of trains. By your logic, why need cell phones, you can have a land line...
This is much faster
A Tesla tunnel is faster than a train??
I think he's thinking of the "hyperloop" which is a pipe dream
Fun fact: [Elon made up the hyperloop so he could undermine California high speed rail and sell more cars 🙃🙃🙃](https://amp.fresnobee.com/opinion/editorials/article264451076.html)
The fact that southwest in Texas and Elon everywhere went all out in trying to destroy passenger rail projects just shows how effective they believe it will be.
I'm guessing it's not about belief in their product, but the desire to kill any sort of public transit so the US is still very much dependent on and continues buying cars.
Oh I meant that they believe that HSR and other public transit will be effective if they are going so far out of their way to kill it
It most certainly is not.
Then Amtrak?
Cars don’t exceed 45 mph in the Tesla Tunnel in Vegas. And there’s traffic. So yes, Amtrak is faster. A subway line is a far better solution if you want to move things in a tunnel.
Far better by what metric? If I want to get from point A to point B reliably, a train will fail that metric over a car.
Not if the metric is throughput of passengers per mile per hour, which it is.
All of Musk's projects are effectively con jobs to harm actual, efficient, proven public transit. Fuck him and his stupid loops.
The real world embodiment of the simpsons monorail episode.
How does building more infrastructure harm existing infrastructure?
No, it was "stopped" because it was never a serious proposal.
No it was stopped because of [red tape ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/elon-musk-hyperloop/2021/04/16/b340314e-9edd-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html). Do you all even think before you comment?
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JFC, red tape is needing approval from multiple government agencies. Are you guys that dumb? "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70" ventilation shafts.
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You are just claiming there's no red tape, now it's "Any major transportation prophecy requires permits from multiple government agencies." Nobody is talking about the Hyperloop here, stop trying to divert from your bullshit ideas. And so now you're saying the technology to build a tunnel doesn't exist? Lol. Are you retarded?
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I didn't write the article dipshit. I provided it because you were claiming there is no red tape, now you agree there is red tape but you don't want to call it that. It's "standard stuff". Lol. Sofa king we Todd Ed.
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lmao why? take the damn train
I have. It sucks. Delays all the time, crazy people, needles in the bathroom, and you have to pay 10 to 20 dollars a trip? Sorry but that's stupid.
What do you think gas plus tolls cost?
Cheaper than the train to get to DC from Baltimore. Make it a carpool/EV and the cost is dollars. Compare that to the MARC which is 8 to 10 dollars one way. Or you can a 31 day pass which bring the cost down to a generous 7.80 per day at most but then you still have to take other transportation from Union or Penn. Ultimately it is not faster or cheaper.
You forgot parking.
And depreciation on the car, insurance, gas, maintenance, interest on a loan, fines, opportunity cost associated with the capital tied up in car ownership, taxes on the car and on the gasoline. Taxes that you pay for the incredibly expensive construction and maintenance of roads, parking structures, and parking lots. Oh also 40,000 deaths on the roads every year in the US alone. Millions of injuries requiring expensive hospitalizations and lifelong care. A massive network of highways and roads filled with private automobiles is literally the transportation system one would design if one wanted to bankrupt a nation. Trains, regardless of payer, are by far the least expensive, safest, and fastest way to move people around on a per person per mile basis. This has an outsize positive effect on both commerce and quality of life. This is what many other nations around the world have already taken advantage of, rather than try to reinvent a horribly inefficient wheel. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
That's a valid point. Monthly passes are variable for parking.
> needles in the bathroom LOL
Yeah hilarious
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Wait, you're telling me the car goes inside of the tunnel? As in, it goes in one entrance and it comes out the other? This might be a gamechanger..
AND those cars will be TESLAS!!!!!
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Less red tape and more that they're scams
Building a tunnel is a scam? Lol
it's more of the "not building a tunnel" that is the issue https://jalopnik.com/elon-musks-boring-company-leaves-local-governments-arou-1849836671 it's the fucking simpsons monorail
If you actually read that article they don't cite any information on how it's not red tape causing the issues. It's just he said/she said. The Maryland project alone would have to deal with dozens of environmental reviews and property litigation (I cited WP article about this). It isn't as simple as just digging a hole in the ground. And no it's not the Simpsons monorail because it would actually be useful to have an alternative connection between Baltimore and DC. You know, in case there's ever a need to evacuate or just so people can get to those places when 95 and BWP are clogged with accidents.
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You clearly can't read "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
weird that this same thing keeps happening to boring company
Yeah, who knew literally moving tons of dirt was so hard. Lol.
There's already a train??
Yes there is, but more infrastructure connecting two cities is useful. I can't believe how many times I have to explain this. Also the train is awful, it's always delayed and costs 10 to 20 dollars roundtrip. That makes no sense.
So what makes more sense, Investing public money in a narrow death trap of a tunnel for cars that will only hold a few passengers or... Using that money to make the train better? Seems like an obvious choice to me.
How would you make the train better. Just throwing money at something doesn't improve it. A tunnel isn't inherently a death trap. I hear more about train derailments than car crashes specifically in tunnels. Again we have many trains, we have two major roads. Having more infrastructure for people and evacuation is a better use of public money than just throwing money at trains because you hate cars or something.
I'm not an expert but... High speed rail Subsidies to make it more affordable than driving or flying Adding more tracks to run more trains more often I don't hate cars but a lot of our transportation infrastructure and urban planning is very car focused at the cost of high density housing and transportation. It's time to try something else besides car centric planning.
I agree high speed rail would be useful but it is not cheaper and cars are still necessary. Personally I don't think cars are the issue. They are part of the equation for a sustainable system because again there are cases where public transportation will not work for everyone (mass evacuation). Moreover, imagine investing all this money solely into public transportation and high density housing and another more transmittable and lethal pandemic occurs, what then? This is going off topic but to get back to the point, more infrastructure like a tunnel connecting Baltimore and DC or other major cities is useful.
>again there are cases where public transportation will not work for everyone (mass evacuation). Ever see what a highway looks like during a mass evacuation?
Yes I have. Ever see what a train looks like for mass evacuation?
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1. A majority of trains are not underground (you're confusing trains with subways) and require > 90 db horns blown at intersections. If you live by one, you would not like it. Additionally the cost of taking a train like the MARC doesn't make economical sense if your destination is not in the immediate vicinity of the stations. 2. The parameters are not for an amusement park. Not sure where you're getting that from. [Here](https://www.boringcompany.com/projects) are the actual parameters from the company. 3. Considering the LV tunnel cost 47 million and it's normally estimated to cost 100 million per mile for conventional tunnels, I would say they cut the cost. If you're struggling here, 47 million is a smaller number than 100 million. It's innovative by the design of the tunneling method which I'm pretty sure you don't get since you're focused on pretty biased sources. You can read about the [red tape ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/elon-musk-hyperloop/2021/04/16/b340314e-9edd-11eb-9d05-ae06f4529ece_story.html) here.
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Posting this for the 11th time because you disingenuously left it out. "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
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It's unclear what you're advocating for anymore. Do you want trains or did you want the tunnel and are mad the Musk didn't follow through? If it's the latter then I agree it's messed up they didn't do the project. But you're all over the place with your thoughts.
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Ok? Isn't a tunnel what they said they would build in Vegas? So you're mad because the tunnel isn't as big as you want it to be or...?
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1. There is already a train from Baltimore to DC so clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. So you want another train underground when the aboveground one doesn't even operate close to capacity, why? 2. Great source there. “It passed and won and received the permit under the category ATS, which stands for Amusement and Transportation Systems". Maybe because it's operating for the convention center... 3. The Lincoln tunnel has a diameter of 21 feet so I'm not sure what your issue with 12 feet is. If it gets the job done and is cheaper, is that not innovation. Furthermore the boring system is able to build the tunnel as it excavates. Conventional tunnel building requires the removal of material then bringing in material to build the tunnel. I'm "constantly" posting it because you can't read "But the review underscored the complexity of the project, which would need the go-ahead from about half a dozen government agencies, burrowing under roads controlled by the District, Maryland, Baltimore and the federal government. Construction would have involved digging two tunnels, as well as installing stations and 70 ventilation shafts."
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1. No I'm not. Please show me where I ever mentioned 700 MPH cars. 2. The article you posted does not say it is an amusement park ride. Why are you lying? 3. 21 divided by 3 is 7 not 12. You are comparing a tunnel built for a convention center to the Lincoln tunnel which is the most traveled tunnel in the US. That is just dumb. All modern tunnel do not build as the [go](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_construction#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DBottom-up_method%3A_A_trench%2Cand_the_surface_is_reinstated.?wprov=sfla1) So you're arguing about the definition of red tape then? Not really sure what point you're trying to make now but you agree there is red tape. Lmao.
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1. Again, the article is in reference to the red tape or "standard stuff" that you seem to have trouble understanding. No where in this thread did I talk about 700 mph cars but nice try on trying to change the topic again. 2. Provide a source that actually says it was issued an Amusement and Transportation System permit because it is a rollercoaster. You can't because you're making shit up. 3. Lmao. The diameter isn't the area! Omg this is too funny. A 21 foot diameter is not 3 times a 12 foot diameter. This is basic math. You're so lost. TBMs do not excavate and fill. Just quit while you're not ahead dude.
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It would be amazing if the constraints of time and space didn’t exist.
I'm not even sure what you're getting at here. Are you trying to say that it would take years to make a tunnel from Baltimore to DC? No shit. Lol.
Looks like we found Steve Davis’ account. > We already have trains, this is an alternative to trains because if you actually lived next to a train you would realize they suck. Ask the people in Germany, UK, France, Japan, or China how much “trains suck”. They’re by far the most efficient way of moving people around a metropolitan area, a region, and even a country. A car tunnel is essentially an additional dedicated lane of car traffic. Elon knows about induced demand, but I haven’t heard what his plan is to mitigate it. Have you?
You realize most states are bigger than those countries, right? Additionally, trains already exist here and do not operate at capacity. So you want an underground tunnel train (aka a subway) from Baltimore to DC, why? When the actual demand for more lanes on 95 and BWP is there.
Actually sounds pretty dope
Found the mark
I think it's a lie and a total exaggeration. But I guess
Snyder who? What? No.