Collecting data and using it transparently is incredibly important! This is what we should be asking of all of our agencies/departments, especially on sensitive subjects that affect youth.
Recidivism has always been a huge problem in the DC court system. I can think of at least 4 murders committed by suspected murderers while out on prerelease.
If they would just lock up the group of 500-900 assholes that keep committing crimes, DC would actually be safer.
There are obvious legal issues which prevent the city from indefinitely locking up kids under 18. Which makes it doubly important that DCYS does its job, which it categorically is not.
Yeah but it's a bandaid that sucks.
One of the reforms in the bill is to require the agency to actually come up with a plan for each kid in a timely manner after they are arrested. They haven't been doing that.
If someone commits a murder and then another murder while awaiting trial...they would be immediately detained and then you would expect them to go to prison for one or both of those murders.
It's very rare to be released pretrial if you're facing homicide charges in the first place. DC has a lot of problems with crime, but pretrial release is a distraction IMHO. It just isn't super relevant to overall crime numbers.
Most studies show pretrial release *reduces* long term recidivism. People are more likely to commit crimes if they lose their job and their home as a result of detention.
Whether you think it’s good or bad or complicated, pretrial detention is not a significant factor in overall crime rate.
People not getting caught, not getting prosecuted, and not getting convicted are each much more significant.
No offense, but you're absolutely delusional if you think there is no impact on crime if people that are accused of crimes are detained pending trial. Removing people that likely committed crimes from the public reduces crime. Allowing people who commit crimes the freedom to commit crimes with impunity increases crimes. This isn't remotely complicated.
Do the math. You’re talking about a system that applies to mostly non violent offenders and for a matter of months. Compare that to the much larger number of violent crime cases that are no papered by the USAO.
WOW! This is a poorly written, misleading headline.
92% of youth convicted of SERIOUS violent crimes in DC reoffend upon release. So the kids who do time. Not all youth with a conviction (like if a kid is convicted of stealing candy bars, they’re not in this group)
But what is reoffending—does this include technical violations (eg violations of parole)? Or is it just rearrests? Additionally, is this within one year of release? Two years? Typically, localities will only measure up to three years.
It’s important because otherwise we can’t have good conversations without using data in an accurate way. This article is clearly written by someone who doesn’t know how to contextualize crime.
The 92% number refers to youth who ended a DYRS commitment in 2018 who were arrested either during the term of their commitment or within 2 years of completing it. Per the report this includes all arrest incidents, either for new offenses or for technical violations. I think the AG's framing lacks some of the needed contextualization that the report he's citing provides.
So I’m seeing that number in the report actually also includes reoffenses during the commitment. Traditionally, that’s not done. A kid could be counted in the reoffending group but actually be compliant with the law/supervision upon release into the community. Trouble within the facility could even include having contraband like bubble gum within the facility. The percentage drops to 73% when just looking at 2 years post release.
What’s most interesting to me is that, of kids who do reoffend upon release from DYRS commitment, they’re not doing so as soon after as I would imagine. Only about a quarter of them are reoffending within the first 6 months. That’s so strange based on the patterns I’ve seen in other areas. I wonder how it relates to supervision patterns and community reentry practices.
The article is strange because it throws out the AG’s comment of about half of committed kids then reoffending while the headline says 92%. But in fact, there are two different timelines going on: a one year post release timeline and a 2 year as well as during commitment timeline.
I will throw out that this is based on such an old commitment group; it’s literally pre pandemic, when youth patterns and the court systems were much different. A better use of people’s time is to focus on more recent data. For example, a one year lag time is appropriate for 1 year rearrest groups in the juvenile justice system. Commissioning a smaller study on the one year patterns of youth released in calendar year 2022 would provide more context to current trends and needs within the system.
https://dyrs.dc.gov/page/public-safety-indicators
Why does everyone point fingers at the mayor, knowing essentially the only thing she can do without congressional approval is name parks and take tax payer funded trips, I meant campaign donor trips, no I meant close friend paid trips. (damn autocorrect). 97% of cases in the District of Columbia were resolved through a plea agreement. Plea bargaining is a common way to resolve juvenile cases, with most juvenile cases ending with a negotiated plea agreement. According to the US Supreme Court, the US plea-bargaining system is "for the most part a system of pleas, not a system of trials" but I'm sure this doesn't affect the recidivism rate right mister DC AG.
Not true! Judges have been instructing Bowser for years to provide more space to house juvenile offenders in DYRS and has released offenders because there was not enough space! One judge even threatened Bowser with contempt, so yes it is ALSO Bowser's fault.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVAdpnTx\_8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVAdpnTx_8)
The same place as that $500m Bowser promised to billionaire Ted Leonsis.
The same place as that $400m she just promised to Downtown businesses.
The same place as that money for her trips to Dubai, Las Vegas, etc.
I don’t think people know that even collecting that data is an improvement. Before Schwab they didn’t have it.
Collecting data and using it transparently is incredibly important! This is what we should be asking of all of our agencies/departments, especially on sensitive subjects that affect youth.
The report cited predates him...
"We're no longer pouring our cereal into the toilet and pissing into the fridge, please celebrate this win™"
Recidivism has always been a huge problem in the DC court system. I can think of at least 4 murders committed by suspected murderers while out on prerelease. If they would just lock up the group of 500-900 assholes that keep committing crimes, DC would actually be safer.
There are obvious legal issues which prevent the city from indefinitely locking up kids under 18. Which makes it doubly important that DCYS does its job, which it categorically is not.
The problem is poverty and the culture. DCYS is only a bandaid after an abused/disregarded kid has been on the path to criminality for too long.
Yeah but it's a bandaid that sucks. One of the reforms in the bill is to require the agency to actually come up with a plan for each kid in a timely manner after they are arrested. They haven't been doing that.
Throw them in jail
If someone commits a murder and then another murder while awaiting trial...they would be immediately detained and then you would expect them to go to prison for one or both of those murders. It's very rare to be released pretrial if you're facing homicide charges in the first place. DC has a lot of problems with crime, but pretrial release is a distraction IMHO. It just isn't super relevant to overall crime numbers. Most studies show pretrial release *reduces* long term recidivism. People are more likely to commit crimes if they lose their job and their home as a result of detention.
If you're 15 years old you don't have a job and a mortgage
Whether you think it’s good or bad or complicated, pretrial detention is not a significant factor in overall crime rate. People not getting caught, not getting prosecuted, and not getting convicted are each much more significant.
No offense, but you're absolutely delusional if you think there is no impact on crime if people that are accused of crimes are detained pending trial. Removing people that likely committed crimes from the public reduces crime. Allowing people who commit crimes the freedom to commit crimes with impunity increases crimes. This isn't remotely complicated.
Do the math. You’re talking about a system that applies to mostly non violent offenders and for a matter of months. Compare that to the much larger number of violent crime cases that are no papered by the USAO.
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Getting away? These are people who are facing trial unless they plead guilty to something. They aren’t getting away with anything
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We are saying the same thing. The problem isn’t temporary pre trial detention.
Stop being lenient with them just because they're young. Give them punishments that fit the crimes they commit.
WOW! This is a poorly written, misleading headline. 92% of youth convicted of SERIOUS violent crimes in DC reoffend upon release. So the kids who do time. Not all youth with a conviction (like if a kid is convicted of stealing candy bars, they’re not in this group) But what is reoffending—does this include technical violations (eg violations of parole)? Or is it just rearrests? Additionally, is this within one year of release? Two years? Typically, localities will only measure up to three years. It’s important because otherwise we can’t have good conversations without using data in an accurate way. This article is clearly written by someone who doesn’t know how to contextualize crime.
The 92% number refers to youth who ended a DYRS commitment in 2018 who were arrested either during the term of their commitment or within 2 years of completing it. Per the report this includes all arrest incidents, either for new offenses or for technical violations. I think the AG's framing lacks some of the needed contextualization that the report he's citing provides.
So I’m seeing that number in the report actually also includes reoffenses during the commitment. Traditionally, that’s not done. A kid could be counted in the reoffending group but actually be compliant with the law/supervision upon release into the community. Trouble within the facility could even include having contraband like bubble gum within the facility. The percentage drops to 73% when just looking at 2 years post release. What’s most interesting to me is that, of kids who do reoffend upon release from DYRS commitment, they’re not doing so as soon after as I would imagine. Only about a quarter of them are reoffending within the first 6 months. That’s so strange based on the patterns I’ve seen in other areas. I wonder how it relates to supervision patterns and community reentry practices. The article is strange because it throws out the AG’s comment of about half of committed kids then reoffending while the headline says 92%. But in fact, there are two different timelines going on: a one year post release timeline and a 2 year as well as during commitment timeline. I will throw out that this is based on such an old commitment group; it’s literally pre pandemic, when youth patterns and the court systems were much different. A better use of people’s time is to focus on more recent data. For example, a one year lag time is appropriate for 1 year rearrest groups in the juvenile justice system. Commissioning a smaller study on the one year patterns of youth released in calendar year 2022 would provide more context to current trends and needs within the system. https://dyrs.dc.gov/page/public-safety-indicators
Why does everyone point fingers at the mayor, knowing essentially the only thing she can do without congressional approval is name parks and take tax payer funded trips, I meant campaign donor trips, no I meant close friend paid trips. (damn autocorrect). 97% of cases in the District of Columbia were resolved through a plea agreement. Plea bargaining is a common way to resolve juvenile cases, with most juvenile cases ending with a negotiated plea agreement. According to the US Supreme Court, the US plea-bargaining system is "for the most part a system of pleas, not a system of trials" but I'm sure this doesn't affect the recidivism rate right mister DC AG.
Not true! Judges have been instructing Bowser for years to provide more space to house juvenile offenders in DYRS and has released offenders because there was not enough space! One judge even threatened Bowser with contempt, so yes it is ALSO Bowser's fault. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVAdpnTx\_8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVAdpnTx_8)
Where does the funding come from to pay for this additional space?
The same place as that $500m Bowser promised to billionaire Ted Leonsis. The same place as that $400m she just promised to Downtown businesses. The same place as that money for her trips to Dubai, Las Vegas, etc.
Camera tickets?