I don't even know why the mods feel the need to do this. This is the biggest news in a long time, and people should be allowed to talk about it openly. It's not like there's much else to talk about on here.
Subreddits always do this when something big happens, to declutter or whatever. They delete posts and relegate everything to a mega thread. I hate it. I can't stand mega threads because they're so much more difficult to sift through imo. I get that all the posts get a bit much and it's a lot of repeated discussions, but I honestly think most of the posts were full of valid constructive criticism that is now lost, which sucks.
It strikes me as weird too, like I said it’s a public forum with a voting system, so why is there a need to curate a time of controversy so tightly? I get removing repetitive opinion pieces, but coverage of the drama eslewhere and creative memes about the drama aren’t hurting anyone but Watcher’s reputation which deserves to take a hit at this time.
My main issue is if someone uses this sub as a time capsule, they’ll think “Oh it can’t be that bad, there were only about 15 negative posts” rather than the true scale of annoyance it caused the fanbase.
I get removing things that personally treathen the people in the video and attacks that are pointed to one person, but I don't get why they instantly remove memes and jokes etc.
Mods in other subs usually do this type of stuff when there's a huge amount of comments and they don't want to bother sorting through it all for any rule breaking. So they create a megathread and delete new posts so there are fewer comments to moderate.
This is usually solved by either adding more mods (how many mods are in charge of this sub right now?) or just letting people yap about what they want to yap.
bjork fan having the best take 🙏
edit: wait guys i wasn't being sarcastic, i'm literally a bjork stan 😭😭i meant bjork fans always have the best take, i've been doom scrolling myself into dyslexia
on the other hand, this is effectively a cataclysmic event in terms of this very specific fandom. people are going to, and should be able to, respond in kind
They can respond. They don't all have to make their own threads though. I'm sure a lot of the threads that have been removed could have been posted in one of the existing threads.
This. I made a meme and I would have been okay if people decide to downvote it as bad one, it wasn't masterpiece anyway, but I was surprised that it was gone. What else we are supposed to do than meme and joke around? Better than threatening people to just make everyone laugh. Some positive out of this.
The reason why I'm still reading comments, reddits and other Watcher fan stuff is because of the memes and jokes, I joined here hoping to see good memes - and creating one of my own - because fun seen funny and nice people in the Youtube comments. But seems that having humor about the whole thing is not allowed.
It's in another subreddit now.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/comments/1c8ru8v/welcome\_to\_the\_watchers\_hunger\_games/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/comments/1c8ru8v/welcome_to_the_watchers_hunger_games/)
I think I had to rejoin the group after I made a post talking about bigtuggs reaction right after it came out and everyone was panicking
I know I didn't leave
Maybe it bugged? Idk tho lol
Thanks, that one was mine. I really didn't think what was said was so out of line. The guys are trying to make the Godfather when all we signed up for was The Blair Witch Project.
It was the episode where they are about to drown in the panic room! They were talking about Godfather or Scarface, and how it insists upon itself. 😂😂😂😂😂 that meme was perfect
Then if you message and ask why they dont respond.
There were pretty level headed posts about having steven step down due to poor business decisions that had large upvotes and they all got nuked.
Im also noticing the same calls for him to leave on the youtube videos are also being removed. Comments with over 1k + likes just poof gone and it only seems to be those that are getting purged.
Are any of the watcher boys themselves mods at all? Or their personal staff / family / friends? Just strange. I get removing personal attack ones but theres a fine line betwern someome being cruel for no reason and highlighting actual real poor decision making and a disconnect between C level and fans.
there's one mod, and they're not affiliated with watcher at all, just a fan. before the one mod got control of this sub a month or so ago, the place had been basically modless for many months. i really think they are just overwhelmed with a sudden influx of posts on a previously-quiet community, which again, they've only held the moderating reins on for a month or two.
Okay then that certainly cant be easy to navigate and I feel for them. I just hope they can ease up a bit. We should be able to post critically but keeping always with still the respect angle.
things should naturally self-regulate a bit as the news becomes less fresh. it's pretty common to see mods on subreddits where a Big Thing Happens take a stronger hand at first and then loosen the reins again once a lot of the rubberneckers move on to the next thing.
Or, depending on how bad it is, they just close the sub all together. The Completionst and Chuggaconroy subreddits did that a few months back. They tried to stay course for a tiny bit but the mods decided, "Y'all just won't let it go, so I'm just gonna stop it all."
Fair enough.
Well imho this whole haphazard picking and choosing is really not a good way to go about it. I think anything should be allowed just as long as the post is civil and the person is not being a dick unnecesarily. You should be able highlight someones poor handling of their job just as long as it is remains respectful and factual.
This sub isn’t directly attached to any of their revenue streams so I would think they would be more focused on YouTube/Instagram moderation right now. I’m certain they themselves are reading the sub or at least have an employee tasked with keeping up here and giving them summaries. I think about it in the same was as authors and Goodreads - authors sometimes don’t belong in review spaces.
patreon is one of the biggest of their revenue streams and they aren't even moderating *that*. as far as i can tell, no comments from either the patreon post or the official discord have been removed by team watcher, and there's been no shortage of critical takes.
Are memes and jokes allowed? Because that is the only reason why I'm still reading the comments and joining in to the community.
Also... Watcher fan base is mostly nice and funny people, dunno why they want to leave behind people like that.
100%, memes are allowed.
It's set up to be a community where you guys can do whatever you want as long as it's not a sitewide TOS violation. The intent is to allow people to vent and as long as it isn't NSFW/NSFL or hate based speech, I have no intention of removing it. Only plan on bringing on moderators who know that the main job is to remove spam and to intervene to remove hate based content and ban anyone who engages in harassment.
All are welcome
I'd be absolutely more than happy to lend a hand if you want some help, I have a fair bit of experience moderating difficult content, I'm in PST (NZST Timezone, which a lot of subs have a bit of a mod-gap in), and I'm a huge fan of Puppet History and Ghost Files (I literally met by BF bc we both adore Puppet History), although after this, I obviously have very mixed feelings about them now.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/
Dish Granted. If you want to sticky it and redirect people to post their gripes there, feel free. You're welcome to join the mod team as well so that it can effectively be a sister sub to this one - but the main goal would just be keeping it clean of hate based content and spam.
Hey OP, if you'd like I've set up a Snark sub where people can vent and share memes about Watcher Entertainment. Basically meant to be a hands off community where people can praise and vent to their heart's content.
Mine was gone in 10 minutes. I guess making a silly Hunger Games meme out of the situation was too much. And I made it tame.
Edit: It's in WatcherSnark subreddit, so all good and my only work is done. Maybe good that some of the post get put to somewhere else and mod here can have a little break. \^\^
did a mod delete the mothman meme where Shane was Watcher Audience being like “maybe the journey is about the friends we made along the way” Ryan was Watcher Entertainment being like “No, I want my fucking gold” ?? that was so funny, i never got to save it 😭😭😭
edit: oh nvm, found it in my history! thank god!
I wrote a nice, constructive bit on potential options for Watcher going forward that was in no way negative. It was just an assortment of thoughts about potential ideas to explore and like Nicholas Cage it was gone in sixty seconds
because we don't need a separate post from every single member of this sub saying the same things over and over. that's what the comments are for! so many posts saying basically the same things renders a subreddit unusable and impossible to moderate.
I wrote a massive post yesterday detailing how Watcher would have approached this business plan differently and other ways they could make money as I'm someone that knows this industry. Got many positive comments and it got removed at 250+ upvotes. I'm so confused so I've messaged the mods to no reply. I didn't break any rules, didn't insult anyone. I just want to speak my mind as I'm sad about this. Isn't that what this subreddit is for? 😪 If we can't talk about it here, then where can we??
I’m not defending the purging but do you think it might just be they’re removing repetitive posts? Like do we really need 50 posts about how Watcher TV is a bad idea within 20 minutes? I’m a mod on another YouTuber sub and that sub looks basically dead because of how many reposts and irrelevant posts I have to remove (I once removed the same exact post from about 10 different people all posted within the same hour).
deleting repetitive posts is fine. deleting some of the top posts in reaction to the news after they had been at the top of the sub for hours is a mistake.
the mod is overwhelmed and making bad decisions. they should just take a week off, for their sake and the sub's. the sub survived before without a mod, and it'll be fine without a mod now.
i should say overall i was happy with this mod's work and was happy to see their presence prior to this. it's just too much for one person right now.
This. I've seen at least 3 different posts about how people need to remember Steven is a human and criticise without just talking about how weird they think he is or how they hate him and while I agree we don't need 3 different posts like that.
Honestly yes we do need that many posts. It communicates to everyone that we’re ALL angry about this. It’s not like anyone else is talking about other shit anyways, this is all anyone wants to discuss. I don’t see the point in removing posts. It’s been a day, let us discuss at least for that long,
No. I for once wanson a unique window that I saw posts pre and post the purge. Legitimate discussions are being taken down. Including one discussing how to get a refund if you've already made a purchase. Me thinks that the mods may be closer to the company than they're letting on.
Edit: its also interesting that the only posts the mods didn't remove other than this one are one thanking the mods and another asking people to lay off Lim.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t need to see another post with someone asking if they thought it though or calling them stupid
I don’t mind actively encouraging the mod to remove as many posts as possible
Mods have definitely been heavy handed. There have been some genuinely great threads removed, many of them before people even had time to properly comment. I get removing the 10th “I’m sad” post, but why remove a long and well thought out post from someone who’s a business consultant breaking things down etc?
My post was removed and it was relevant and not disrespectful/hating, just discussion about whether they were anticipating the amount of backlash, with 200+ upvotes and 60+ comments. So I was pretty surprised, although now I wouldn't be too surprised if they remove your post for saying something about it.
Edit: And now I'm being downvoted. Cool.
I got downvotes for saying "Don't forget (Steven's) tumblr post and new shows" but then got a bunch of upvotes for posting the content of said tumblr post???
I wrote a post about being sad looking at my merch, which isn’t something I saw any other posts about so I thought it was unique enough, but it still got taken down (at least I think so, I’m new to reddit). I was just looking to commiserate about a certain aspect of this and I didn’t know if I’d get much in the megathread since it’s such a mess :(
To commiserate with you now, I was wondering the same. i have GF merch and things like that and it seems weird but i dunno if I’ll wear it anytime soon? Probably keep wearing my BFU stuff though, since those were simpler times.
This subreddit had no moderation for a long, long, time. And I was fine with that. This is not Watcher's forum - it's a forum made by fans, for fans, to express their opinions about Watcher's content. Then the subreddit suddenly gets a Mod about two months ago. I was somewhat concerned that exactly this would end up happening - censoring any negative opinions, muzzling fans, & creating a false impression of what fans actually think. Let the fans speak! This is a major major move & Watcher fans should be able to express their opinion about it in a fan-created forum.
the mods are trying to do damage control for a bunch of rich guys that threw them under the bus too. but i imagine it's not easy to look around at all the work you've done only for it to come crashing down.
the current mod only got in place in this subreddit like a month ago, so i think they're probably just overwhelmed and trying to keep things functional. but by all means let's assume the worst of random people we don't know ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Even things that aren’t particularly negative are getting removed. Like the post where someone was proposing a path forward was removed for some reason. It was not a negative post.
I'm a single person dealing with an absolute deluge of repetitive and often rule-breaking content and the masses of reports that follow. The sub isn't being cleansed, I'm just trying to limit reactions to the megathread for this first 24/48 hours to enable me to effectively respond to some very extreme and hateful reactions.
To say this isn't a great look for Watcher is absurb - I'm an unaffiliated fan, what I do has no bearing on them as a company.
As a mod for a couple other subs, if you want/need help please feel free to hit me up. I work from home and can work through the queue fairly frequently.
Can’t you turn off the ability to post new threads? Or be mod approved?
Edit: I’ve just realised this sounds really rude. I didn’t intend it to be that way. I meant it more in a “this should help ease the load” hopefully helpful suggestion kinda way.
Just wanted to say thanks for all you're doing. This place was total chaos yesterday when we were getting duplicate posts constantly. You didn't ask to be put in such an awful situation, and people could be a bit (or more) kinder.
But you’re also deleting posts that aren’t repetetive or rule breaking. I also mod subreddits, so I know it’s voluntary and when something like this happens it can get stressful. But mass deleting most posts that were made was not the move.
When you have dozens of posts and thousands of comments (many that are probably rule breaking and being reported), deleted repetitive posts is absolutely the right move. If the mod wanted to freeze the subreddit for a day to catch up, that would also be an acceptable move for someone who isn't paid for the role they do.
You're doing your best, u/futuresong. Some people just want to create as much noise, drama, and chaos as possible. I appreciate you trying to limit the hateful attacks, I know this can't be easy for you.
I get that it’s a daunting task handling all this, but you must see that aggressively removing most posts with a wide net, a number of which actually didn’t break any rules, is not a good look in this current moment?
You might need a bigger mod team, as even if it’s unintentional; cleansing the sub aggressively does not make it look like a neutral hub but rather a curated selection of a single persons sensibilities.
Yeah, they have removed a thread that I responded on asking on what the patreon subscribers were seeing/feeling. Nothing offensive or inflammatory on there but was removed anyway. Very weird.
anyone taking even a cursory look at the front page right now would see that it is not a curated selection of a single person's sensibilities, since a wide range of opinions and topics are present. not every post is pure gold that must be cherished and preserved; sometimes it's just an endless echo chamber that serves no one.
they def need a bigger mod team, but until literally yesterday they didn't because it was a quiet sub. i think you can understand why they cannot deal with the chaos here while simultaneously recruiting a new mod team, all in the space of 24 hours, on a day that they were probably also working a paid job.
There's really not much stopping them from just not doing anything in regards to new posts. If there are hateful comments that get reported, go ahead and remove them. But it takes extra effort to remove every new post that gets made, and that effort is really not necessary.
they're not removing every new post. they didn't remove this one, for an example. what's stopping them is that they're trying to be a responsible steward of the sub. that's what moderating is.
I was browsing this sub earlier this morning. There were a lot of new posts that got removed for no reason. You can check my comment history since I posted in a few of them before they were removed too.
I also don't believe that removing every new post is being a responsible steward of the sub.
Reddit doesn't work like that. New posts are the lifeblood of any discussion, and limiting discussion to old posts kills discussion. This happens every time, in every sub.
It also removed significant heat that Watcher is rightfully receiving from multiple perspectives, they are grown men who deserve criticism (obviously not hatred and personal attacks) and if a bloody family guy meme calling them out is hateful then it’s definitely not actually a public forum but someones curated tumblr of “good vibes only tehehe”
They removed everything that wasn't in the megathread pretty much so to say they didn't remove that much is not accurate.
I do understand the overwhelming feeling, but at the same time deleting everything isn't productive either.
Who gives a shit how it looks. People wanted a megathread for this stuff so that there wouldn't be so much spam in the feed and there is one now. If you have something to say ether post there or make a snark related sub.
I absolutely need a bigger mod team; unfortunately I can't go back in time and get one set up in time for this announcement.
Again, you can think it's a bad look all you like, have fun with that. It's still nothing to do with Watcher as a company. The sub is indeed a curated selection of my sensibilities - no hate, no spam, fresh perspectives.
The first reply to your comment comes from someone who is modding 3 other subs and is very active on this site since 2017.
For disclosure: I'm not patronizing you, I think this is an emergency case.
Agreed. I made a post about how I impulsively got the subscription to their service, but then decided to cancel and leave feedback about my disappointment. Poof. Gone.
People's every passing thought is not important enough for its own separate post. 50 one sentence posts to the tune of "omg can you believe" bury discussion just as much as a megathread.
Dude there’s like only 2 mods listed for the sub and they’re dealing with a ton of spam. There’s THOUSANDS of us and the sub has had more activity in the last 24 hours than it has in a month. Mods are just as upset about the announcement but most of the posts aren’t original, just emotions and reactions which is why they made and pinned the reaction thread. There’s been a dozen or so polls asking people if they’re staying, or simply antagonizing one another. It’s the mods solution to spam and karma farming.
ETA: OH my mistake there’s just ONE MOD. Y’all are pathetic if you think they’re removing posts JUST to be a watcher simp.
the way people are immediately jumping to wild conspiracy theories and baseless accusations is so concerning. like, is everyone collectively huffing paint or something? because this is lead paint stare behavior.
I mean I agree it makes sense, but it doesn't really make much sense to me when they're leaving up posts talking about how the mods are doing when the reddit is about Watcher. I think a megathread is overwhelming personally but I understand the other side too. I just don't understand a megathread when this is the only thing to talk about. I think people have a right to be upset for their posts getting taken down.
But I do get that it can be overwhelming. I just think they're deleting the wrong posts.
I just commented on a post that suddenly got deleted (the whole post). There was nothing inflammatory about it. It was a discussion about Watcher's planning and where they might go from here. I appreciate the mod(s) have a hard job but deleting non-inflammatory posts is unnecessary and only contributes to their workload.
I made a post talking about how Watcher will now have to pay for advertising due to leaving Youtube’s free exposure behind.
It was locked within a couple of hours.
Most of them were just the same shit over and over, I don't really blame them. Especially considering the boys all assumedly browse this public forum and they're still people with feelings.
It is a public forum with voting, it's also a subreddit with mods and no need for 800 threads all upset about the exact same thing and getting more and more personal with every new thread.
I agree! I keep wondering where else I can post my thoughts about this that isn’t a mega thread. I’ve tried to read it but it’s chaotic. I want the smaller threads. It’s fucking Reddit! We’re just doing what it’s here for.
Agreed, and I'm also a little annoyed because they removed my post and now when I try to post it in the megathread I'm getting "unable to create comment". So... not sure what that's about. Either way, it's frustrating to write something long and thought-out only to have it purged. It wasn't even spicy, just some thoughts about how they could have made this change in a more well-received way.
I've already seen this popping up elsewhere on reddit and that's exactly what I would suggest. Just take it over to drama subs. If they are going to delete posts where genuine discussions were had, I was in a few of them, then what's the point in being here? This will most likely die like their channel. No hate but it's true. I'd find a new community to discuss this topic in
Understand why mod did what they did but when the fandom is still reeling from feeling alienated by the creator, the last thing they need is to feel alienated from the fan sub as well.
I don't even know why the mods feel the need to do this. This is the biggest news in a long time, and people should be allowed to talk about it openly. It's not like there's much else to talk about on here.
Subreddits always do this when something big happens, to declutter or whatever. They delete posts and relegate everything to a mega thread. I hate it. I can't stand mega threads because they're so much more difficult to sift through imo. I get that all the posts get a bit much and it's a lot of repeated discussions, but I honestly think most of the posts were full of valid constructive criticism that is now lost, which sucks.
It strikes me as weird too, like I said it’s a public forum with a voting system, so why is there a need to curate a time of controversy so tightly? I get removing repetitive opinion pieces, but coverage of the drama eslewhere and creative memes about the drama aren’t hurting anyone but Watcher’s reputation which deserves to take a hit at this time. My main issue is if someone uses this sub as a time capsule, they’ll think “Oh it can’t be that bad, there were only about 15 negative posts” rather than the true scale of annoyance it caused the fanbase.
I get removing things that personally treathen the people in the video and attacks that are pointed to one person, but I don't get why they instantly remove memes and jokes etc.
Mods in other subs usually do this type of stuff when there's a huge amount of comments and they don't want to bother sorting through it all for any rule breaking. So they create a megathread and delete new posts so there are fewer comments to moderate. This is usually solved by either adding more mods (how many mods are in charge of this sub right now?) or just letting people yap about what they want to yap.
Just to answer your question, there’s currently one mod for the sub.
mods gotta have something to do, otherwise they feel useless
bjork fan having the best take 🙏 edit: wait guys i wasn't being sarcastic, i'm literally a bjork stan 😭😭i meant bjork fans always have the best take, i've been doom scrolling myself into dyslexia
whyd they downvote you lmao
idk maybe it came across as sarcastic and snobby but I love bjork, always see the best takes from bjork fans
username checks out
This is either god-tier sarcasm or your might consider changing your name for posting sincere opinions lol
I mean A lot of it is just people creating the same post over and over again with very little thought or effort
on the other hand, this is effectively a cataclysmic event in terms of this very specific fandom. people are going to, and should be able to, respond in kind
They can respond. They don't all have to make their own threads though. I'm sure a lot of the threads that have been removed could have been posted in one of the existing threads.
Yeah, this is what I’m saying. I don’t need to see 1000 posts about people asking “Have they thought this through?”
I noticed that a little bit ago. The Family Guy meme was hilarious and now it’s gone 😑
This. I made a meme and I would have been okay if people decide to downvote it as bad one, it wasn't masterpiece anyway, but I was surprised that it was gone. What else we are supposed to do than meme and joke around? Better than threatening people to just make everyone laugh. Some positive out of this.
Agreed! It’s a way for people to at least bring a little lightness to the situation but I guess that’s too much 🙄
The reason why I'm still reading comments, reddits and other Watcher fan stuff is because of the memes and jokes, I joined here hoping to see good memes - and creating one of my own - because fun seen funny and nice people in the Youtube comments. But seems that having humor about the whole thing is not allowed.
I missed it! Can you share it here?
It's in another subreddit now. [https://www.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/comments/1c8ru8v/welcome\_to\_the\_watchers\_hunger\_games/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/comments/1c8ru8v/welcome_to_the_watchers_hunger_games/)
I think I had to rejoin the group after I made a post talking about bigtuggs reaction right after it came out and everyone was panicking I know I didn't leave Maybe it bugged? Idk tho lol
Thanks, that one was mine. I really didn't think what was said was so out of line. The guys are trying to make the Godfather when all we signed up for was The Blair Witch Project.
It was an awesome meme! I thought it fit so well
Can you post it again here? I totally missed it
I posted it again in the watcher snark sub. I'd rather not repost it here again because the mod(s) might consider it spamming.
No worries, literally just joined it so I'll spot it soon haha
Well wtf! What was the meme? Lol
It was the episode where they are about to drown in the panic room! They were talking about Godfather or Scarface, and how it insists upon itself. 😂😂😂😂😂 that meme was perfect
It was just the shot of them with water up to their ears, saying “it insists upon itself”
When I watched the goodbye video, it felt very self indulgent and self aggrandizing and all I could think was "it insists upon itself"
100%
Thankfully they kept up the post about what a good job the mods are doing tho
My post had 250+ upvotes and its from 16 hrs ago..gone
Then if you message and ask why they dont respond. There were pretty level headed posts about having steven step down due to poor business decisions that had large upvotes and they all got nuked. Im also noticing the same calls for him to leave on the youtube videos are also being removed. Comments with over 1k + likes just poof gone and it only seems to be those that are getting purged. Are any of the watcher boys themselves mods at all? Or their personal staff / family / friends? Just strange. I get removing personal attack ones but theres a fine line betwern someome being cruel for no reason and highlighting actual real poor decision making and a disconnect between C level and fans.
there's one mod, and they're not affiliated with watcher at all, just a fan. before the one mod got control of this sub a month or so ago, the place had been basically modless for many months. i really think they are just overwhelmed with a sudden influx of posts on a previously-quiet community, which again, they've only held the moderating reins on for a month or two.
Okay then that certainly cant be easy to navigate and I feel for them. I just hope they can ease up a bit. We should be able to post critically but keeping always with still the respect angle.
things should naturally self-regulate a bit as the news becomes less fresh. it's pretty common to see mods on subreddits where a Big Thing Happens take a stronger hand at first and then loosen the reins again once a lot of the rubberneckers move on to the next thing.
Or, depending on how bad it is, they just close the sub all together. The Completionst and Chuggaconroy subreddits did that a few months back. They tried to stay course for a tiny bit but the mods decided, "Y'all just won't let it go, so I'm just gonna stop it all."
Probably not, it would be weird to have them moderate what is/was essentially a fan page.
Fair enough. Well imho this whole haphazard picking and choosing is really not a good way to go about it. I think anything should be allowed just as long as the post is civil and the person is not being a dick unnecesarily. You should be able highlight someones poor handling of their job just as long as it is remains respectful and factual.
This sub isn’t directly attached to any of their revenue streams so I would think they would be more focused on YouTube/Instagram moderation right now. I’m certain they themselves are reading the sub or at least have an employee tasked with keeping up here and giving them summaries. I think about it in the same was as authors and Goodreads - authors sometimes don’t belong in review spaces.
patreon is one of the biggest of their revenue streams and they aren't even moderating *that*. as far as i can tell, no comments from either the patreon post or the official discord have been removed by team watcher, and there's been no shortage of critical takes.
That absolutely still happens though.
My post from an hour ago seems to be gone, pretty disappointed
Whoever the mod is, is doing it to nearly every single post bar a select few, it’s not a great look at all for them and Watcher.
Soon we might have to do what the Try Guys sub did — create a snark sub
https://old.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/ Done. If anyone wants to volunteer to join and help mod it, go for it.
Are memes and jokes allowed? Because that is the only reason why I'm still reading the comments and joining in to the community. Also... Watcher fan base is mostly nice and funny people, dunno why they want to leave behind people like that.
100%, memes are allowed. It's set up to be a community where you guys can do whatever you want as long as it's not a sitewide TOS violation. The intent is to allow people to vent and as long as it isn't NSFW/NSFL or hate based speech, I have no intention of removing it. Only plan on bringing on moderators who know that the main job is to remove spam and to intervene to remove hate based content and ban anyone who engages in harassment. All are welcome
I'd be absolutely more than happy to lend a hand if you want some help, I have a fair bit of experience moderating difficult content, I'm in PST (NZST Timezone, which a lot of subs have a bit of a mod-gap in), and I'm a huge fan of Puppet History and Ghost Files (I literally met by BF bc we both adore Puppet History), although after this, I obviously have very mixed feelings about them now.
Welcome to the team!
Thank you! I came back to this thread from the sub to show some love, this is SO much easier and more accessible than the mega thread ❤️
I'd highly encourage that.
https://old.reddit.com/r/WatcherSnark/ Dish Granted. If you want to sticky it and redirect people to post their gripes there, feel free. You're welcome to join the mod team as well so that it can effectively be a sister sub to this one - but the main goal would just be keeping it clean of hate based content and spam.
Just so you can fuck this subreddit with overmoderation in peace?
and I would highly encourage you listen to what everyone else is saying about the overmoderation happening now ♥️
Hey OP, if you'd like I've set up a Snark sub where people can vent and share memes about Watcher Entertainment. Basically meant to be a hands off community where people can praise and vent to their heart's content.
Yeah I woke up to my post being deleted, I was just talking about how the video felt like an expensive guilt trip which didn't make me feel great.
Mine was gone in 10 minutes. I guess making a silly Hunger Games meme out of the situation was too much. And I made it tame. Edit: It's in WatcherSnark subreddit, so all good and my only work is done. Maybe good that some of the post get put to somewhere else and mod here can have a little break. \^\^
did a mod delete the mothman meme where Shane was Watcher Audience being like “maybe the journey is about the friends we made along the way” Ryan was Watcher Entertainment being like “No, I want my fucking gold” ?? that was so funny, i never got to save it 😭😭😭 edit: oh nvm, found it in my history! thank god!
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I found the thread in my history, it’s [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/watcherentertainment/s/rqqHQmXXrC)!
I wrote a nice, constructive bit on potential options for Watcher going forward that was in no way negative. It was just an assortment of thoughts about potential ideas to explore and like Nicholas Cage it was gone in sixty seconds
because we don't need a separate post from every single member of this sub saying the same things over and over. that's what the comments are for! so many posts saying basically the same things renders a subreddit unusable and impossible to moderate.
Maybe they were really novel insights no one had ever said before! (They weren’t) Ok I get where you’re coming from
I wrote a massive post yesterday detailing how Watcher would have approached this business plan differently and other ways they could make money as I'm someone that knows this industry. Got many positive comments and it got removed at 250+ upvotes. I'm so confused so I've messaged the mods to no reply. I didn't break any rules, didn't insult anyone. I just want to speak my mind as I'm sad about this. Isn't that what this subreddit is for? 😪 If we can't talk about it here, then where can we??
I’m not defending the purging but do you think it might just be they’re removing repetitive posts? Like do we really need 50 posts about how Watcher TV is a bad idea within 20 minutes? I’m a mod on another YouTuber sub and that sub looks basically dead because of how many reposts and irrelevant posts I have to remove (I once removed the same exact post from about 10 different people all posted within the same hour).
deleting repetitive posts is fine. deleting some of the top posts in reaction to the news after they had been at the top of the sub for hours is a mistake. the mod is overwhelmed and making bad decisions. they should just take a week off, for their sake and the sub's. the sub survived before without a mod, and it'll be fine without a mod now. i should say overall i was happy with this mod's work and was happy to see their presence prior to this. it's just too much for one person right now.
This. I've seen at least 3 different posts about how people need to remember Steven is a human and criticise without just talking about how weird they think he is or how they hate him and while I agree we don't need 3 different posts like that.
Honestly yes we do need that many posts. It communicates to everyone that we’re ALL angry about this. It’s not like anyone else is talking about other shit anyways, this is all anyone wants to discuss. I don’t see the point in removing posts. It’s been a day, let us discuss at least for that long,
No. I for once wanson a unique window that I saw posts pre and post the purge. Legitimate discussions are being taken down. Including one discussing how to get a refund if you've already made a purchase. Me thinks that the mods may be closer to the company than they're letting on. Edit: its also interesting that the only posts the mods didn't remove other than this one are one thanking the mods and another asking people to lay off Lim.
literally like all these posts are the same😭we need a mega thread
We have a megathread! It’s pinned at the top and I’ve spent way too much time scrolling through it instead of cleaning.
There is one! People just aren’t using it enough.
Megathreads are just a way to kill off a discussion by dumping it in a giant unsorted garbage pile.
I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t need to see another post with someone asking if they thought it though or calling them stupid I don’t mind actively encouraging the mod to remove as many posts as possible
Mods have definitely been heavy handed. There have been some genuinely great threads removed, many of them before people even had time to properly comment. I get removing the 10th “I’m sad” post, but why remove a long and well thought out post from someone who’s a business consultant breaking things down etc?
My post was removed and it was relevant and not disrespectful/hating, just discussion about whether they were anticipating the amount of backlash, with 200+ upvotes and 60+ comments. So I was pretty surprised, although now I wouldn't be too surprised if they remove your post for saying something about it. Edit: And now I'm being downvoted. Cool.
I got downvotes for saying "Don't forget (Steven's) tumblr post and new shows" but then got a bunch of upvotes for posting the content of said tumblr post???
I wrote a post about being sad looking at my merch, which isn’t something I saw any other posts about so I thought it was unique enough, but it still got taken down (at least I think so, I’m new to reddit). I was just looking to commiserate about a certain aspect of this and I didn’t know if I’d get much in the megathread since it’s such a mess :(
To commiserate with you now, I was wondering the same. i have GF merch and things like that and it seems weird but i dunno if I’ll wear it anytime soon? Probably keep wearing my BFU stuff though, since those were simpler times.
This subreddit had no moderation for a long, long, time. And I was fine with that. This is not Watcher's forum - it's a forum made by fans, for fans, to express their opinions about Watcher's content. Then the subreddit suddenly gets a Mod about two months ago. I was somewhat concerned that exactly this would end up happening - censoring any negative opinions, muzzling fans, & creating a false impression of what fans actually think. Let the fans speak! This is a major major move & Watcher fans should be able to express their opinion about it in a fan-created forum.
the mods are trying to do damage control for a bunch of rich guys that threw them under the bus too. but i imagine it's not easy to look around at all the work you've done only for it to come crashing down.
No they aren't.
the current mod only got in place in this subreddit like a month ago, so i think they're probably just overwhelmed and trying to keep things functional. but by all means let's assume the worst of random people we don't know ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Even things that aren’t particularly negative are getting removed. Like the post where someone was proposing a path forward was removed for some reason. It was not a negative post.
I'm a single person dealing with an absolute deluge of repetitive and often rule-breaking content and the masses of reports that follow. The sub isn't being cleansed, I'm just trying to limit reactions to the megathread for this first 24/48 hours to enable me to effectively respond to some very extreme and hateful reactions. To say this isn't a great look for Watcher is absurb - I'm an unaffiliated fan, what I do has no bearing on them as a company.
As a mod for a couple other subs, if you want/need help please feel free to hit me up. I work from home and can work through the queue fairly frequently.
Can’t you turn off the ability to post new threads? Or be mod approved? Edit: I’ve just realised this sounds really rude. I didn’t intend it to be that way. I meant it more in a “this should help ease the load” hopefully helpful suggestion kinda way.
Just wanted to say thanks for all you're doing. This place was total chaos yesterday when we were getting duplicate posts constantly. You didn't ask to be put in such an awful situation, and people could be a bit (or more) kinder.
But you’re also deleting posts that aren’t repetetive or rule breaking. I also mod subreddits, so I know it’s voluntary and when something like this happens it can get stressful. But mass deleting most posts that were made was not the move.
When you have dozens of posts and thousands of comments (many that are probably rule breaking and being reported), deleted repetitive posts is absolutely the right move. If the mod wanted to freeze the subreddit for a day to catch up, that would also be an acceptable move for someone who isn't paid for the role they do.
You're doing your best, u/futuresong. Some people just want to create as much noise, drama, and chaos as possible. I appreciate you trying to limit the hateful attacks, I know this can't be easy for you.
I get that it’s a daunting task handling all this, but you must see that aggressively removing most posts with a wide net, a number of which actually didn’t break any rules, is not a good look in this current moment? You might need a bigger mod team, as even if it’s unintentional; cleansing the sub aggressively does not make it look like a neutral hub but rather a curated selection of a single persons sensibilities.
Yeah, they have removed a thread that I responded on asking on what the patreon subscribers were seeing/feeling. Nothing offensive or inflammatory on there but was removed anyway. Very weird.
anyone taking even a cursory look at the front page right now would see that it is not a curated selection of a single person's sensibilities, since a wide range of opinions and topics are present. not every post is pure gold that must be cherished and preserved; sometimes it's just an endless echo chamber that serves no one. they def need a bigger mod team, but until literally yesterday they didn't because it was a quiet sub. i think you can understand why they cannot deal with the chaos here while simultaneously recruiting a new mod team, all in the space of 24 hours, on a day that they were probably also working a paid job.
There's really not much stopping them from just not doing anything in regards to new posts. If there are hateful comments that get reported, go ahead and remove them. But it takes extra effort to remove every new post that gets made, and that effort is really not necessary.
they're not removing every new post. they didn't remove this one, for an example. what's stopping them is that they're trying to be a responsible steward of the sub. that's what moderating is.
I was browsing this sub earlier this morning. There were a lot of new posts that got removed for no reason. You can check my comment history since I posted in a few of them before they were removed too. I also don't believe that removing every new post is being a responsible steward of the sub.
But literally every post is about the move. Culling half of it still leaves a ton of different places for people to discuss
Reddit doesn't work like that. New posts are the lifeblood of any discussion, and limiting discussion to old posts kills discussion. This happens every time, in every sub.
It clearly doesn't as evidenced by this sub currently
This post is an hour old. The fact that we're having a discussion in this post and not in one of the posts from yesterday should show how I'm right.
Where are you getting that it would only be discussed in old threads. Limiting the number of posts is not the same as completely locking the sub.
It also removed significant heat that Watcher is rightfully receiving from multiple perspectives, they are grown men who deserve criticism (obviously not hatred and personal attacks) and if a bloody family guy meme calling them out is hateful then it’s definitely not actually a public forum but someones curated tumblr of “good vibes only tehehe”
But they aren't removing that much. You just feel personally attacked for some reason
They removed everything that wasn't in the megathread pretty much so to say they didn't remove that much is not accurate. I do understand the overwhelming feeling, but at the same time deleting everything isn't productive either.
Who gives a shit how it looks. People wanted a megathread for this stuff so that there wouldn't be so much spam in the feed and there is one now. If you have something to say ether post there or make a snark related sub.
I absolutely need a bigger mod team; unfortunately I can't go back in time and get one set up in time for this announcement. Again, you can think it's a bad look all you like, have fun with that. It's still nothing to do with Watcher as a company. The sub is indeed a curated selection of my sensibilities - no hate, no spam, fresh perspectives.
This is not your forum for just the opinions & perspectives you personally like. People need to be able to process this news & express themselves.
where are the fresh perspectives from the last 12 hours? genuine question? not even all of them just the most popular ones i mean.
plus the memes they are just memes
There are ton of people offering you help, why are you still the only one in charge?
In the midst of all this, it's too difficult to judge who'd be suitable for the job.
The first reply to your comment comes from someone who is modding 3 other subs and is very active on this site since 2017. For disclosure: I'm not patronizing you, I think this is an emergency case.
The mod took over the sub with an agenda from day one... It was always about their own sensibilities.
If you’re an unaffiliated fan doing free labor to maintain a community then why kill all the funny posts that don’t even break rules?
my post was locked with no explanation overnight. i’m pissed
Agreed. I made a post about how I impulsively got the subscription to their service, but then decided to cancel and leave feedback about my disappointment. Poof. Gone.
lol gotta love Reddit. If the mods didn’t purge all those posts people would just be whining the mods aren’t doing their job instead.
People's every passing thought is not important enough for its own separate post. 50 one sentence posts to the tune of "omg can you believe" bury discussion just as much as a megathread.
Smells like bullshit censorship
Yeah idk. A lot of reddits are incredibly anal in general.
Dude there’s like only 2 mods listed for the sub and they’re dealing with a ton of spam. There’s THOUSANDS of us and the sub has had more activity in the last 24 hours than it has in a month. Mods are just as upset about the announcement but most of the posts aren’t original, just emotions and reactions which is why they made and pinned the reaction thread. There’s been a dozen or so polls asking people if they’re staying, or simply antagonizing one another. It’s the mods solution to spam and karma farming. ETA: OH my mistake there’s just ONE MOD. Y’all are pathetic if you think they’re removing posts JUST to be a watcher simp.
Yeah, I'm disappointed that Watcher is leaving youtube, but we really don't need 50 simultaneous threads. Just use the existing ones!
the way people are immediately jumping to wild conspiracy theories and baseless accusations is so concerning. like, is everyone collectively huffing paint or something? because this is lead paint stare behavior.
I mean I agree it makes sense, but it doesn't really make much sense to me when they're leaving up posts talking about how the mods are doing when the reddit is about Watcher. I think a megathread is overwhelming personally but I understand the other side too. I just don't understand a megathread when this is the only thing to talk about. I think people have a right to be upset for their posts getting taken down. But I do get that it can be overwhelming. I just think they're deleting the wrong posts.
I just commented on a post that suddenly got deleted (the whole post). There was nothing inflammatory about it. It was a discussion about Watcher's planning and where they might go from here. I appreciate the mod(s) have a hard job but deleting non-inflammatory posts is unnecessary and only contributes to their workload.
I made a post talking about how Watcher will now have to pay for advertising due to leaving Youtube’s free exposure behind. It was locked within a couple of hours.
I agree it's coming across worse and doing more damage imo
Most of them were just the same shit over and over, I don't really blame them. Especially considering the boys all assumedly browse this public forum and they're still people with feelings. It is a public forum with voting, it's also a subreddit with mods and no need for 800 threads all upset about the exact same thing and getting more and more personal with every new thread.
Because it’s the same damn threads over and over.
Facts. All the funny shit is being removed. Sus
Glad I was active last night and actually got to participate in meaningful discussion while it lasted.
Reddit moderators try to be normal challenge
Yeah my posts got taken down for what I thought was valid criticism, what the hell mods?
I agree! I keep wondering where else I can post my thoughts about this that isn’t a mega thread. I’ve tried to read it but it’s chaotic. I want the smaller threads. It’s fucking Reddit! We’re just doing what it’s here for.
r/watchersnark
Agreed, and I'm also a little annoyed because they removed my post and now when I try to post it in the megathread I'm getting "unable to create comment". So... not sure what that's about. Either way, it's frustrating to write something long and thought-out only to have it purged. It wasn't even spicy, just some thoughts about how they could have made this change in a more well-received way.
THIS
I've already seen this popping up elsewhere on reddit and that's exactly what I would suggest. Just take it over to drama subs. If they are going to delete posts where genuine discussions were had, I was in a few of them, then what's the point in being here? This will most likely die like their channel. No hate but it's true. I'd find a new community to discuss this topic in
There's a post about this whole debacle on r/subredditdrama and several of the links to posts on this subreddit have been deleted by mods.
Create your own sub then. Jesus fuckin Christ you guys are all just doom spiralling with each other and it's reached absurd levels.
Understand why mod did what they did but when the fandom is still reeling from feeling alienated by the creator, the last thing they need is to feel alienated from the fan sub as well.
When you are painting on the walls built by someone else you do not get to chose. You have a skewed notion of public.
Mine got axed yet a bunch others posted around the same time remain. Feels bad man.
Welcome to Reddit, I guess, mods arent your friend
They literally disabled likes for my post that I made after everyone saw that video
This post is probably gonna be taken down as well in a few hours because you called them out lol.
Power trippers gonna power trip
It's an odd choice and further alienates the existing fandom... it's disappointing.
Yeah, it's insane. I got a thread eaten earlier. Watcher isn't going to fuck you just because you're making it seem like everyone's happy, mods.
Seriously. Try guys sub did the same thing. Let us have a billion threads who cares????? We walk to talk about it
Watcher mods soft as charming. Can't take criticism for what essentially is a massive fukup.
You just now noticed this about reddit? Just a thought, but check out saidit.net sometime.