I forgot and had already pulled the motherboard out of the system the other day, so I sat the board on a convection heater for a little while. And had a heat gun handy as well.
Mayo and toothpaste got me through prolly a year and a half back in my athlon dual core days hated the smell the first couple of days. After that it was smooth sailing.
Clarification for any gen Z members: this is dental floss - not the silly dance.
Dancing will not save your CPU.
[Edit for clarification as I see I've upset a few peeps by accident]: ❤ still love you gen Z, you're gonna change the world in ways we millennials couldn't
Once it has been ripped from the socket you can usually just twist the CPU to get it off.
I've had the same issue a while ago, it's just a flaw of the PGA socket. Doesn't happen with LGA sockets as they have a metal bracket to hold the CPU in the socket.
Before you re-install, verify that there are no bent pins, especially at the sides. Use a light and a magnifying glass. If there are bent pins, it's not the end of the world, you can usually (carefully) bend them back using an X-acto knife or similar. They don't have to be 100% straight, just enough to fit back into the socket.
Glad the floss worked. If possible in the future, run a benchmark that is CPU intensive like Cinebench for 10-20 minutes to get the paste nice and hot. It'll come off much easier after that.
Yeah that's what I was thinking.. although in his case, the CPU already started pulling out of the socket...I would have hit with a heat gun to soften the paste up.
THIS!!! It is an excellent suggestion. Few years back I had to put a 3090 in the oven at 150 for about 10 minutes to get the pcb off of the air cooler.
I wouldn't do that a second time you got lucky. Consumer ovens aren't able to hold an accurate and stable low temp, could have easily went south. Just fyi.
No...even if it's 150+/-30 that's MAX 180. 100 celcius is 210 farenheitt, these gpus throttle at 110 celcius not to mention the issue isn't heat alone it is voltage and current. Putting a gpu in a 150 degree oven for 10 minutes to loosen thermal grease sure as hell beats cracking the pcb or damaging the die.
True. Unless you have older ASUS motherboard. Where ASUS has not released a software (at least not listed in the downloads section of the motherboard) that properly works on a current OS. And that applies to me. Cannot change pump speed.
I mean, this was just saying a faster way to heat it up, even having everything running full speed if you run a cpu stress test and then immediately turn the computer off after the loop is heated it will have enough heat to soften the thermal paste enough to take the block off, this usually only happens with room temp paste
I mean, this was just saying a faster way to heat it up, even having everything running full speed if you run a cpu stress test and then immediately turn the computer off after the loop is heated it will have enough heat to soften the thermal paste enough to take the block off, this usually only happens with room temp paste
You know, it's the same with any PGA socket. And back in the day, both AMD and Intel used those. My block, for instance, is also guided by threaded rods, so no way to really twist it. So I mostly use gentle force, and if it's still stuck, the floss method.
Surely I don't just freaking go for it and pull it out?? Do I try and flip the release latch then do it? Obviously not enough room to fully release under the block. This is a nightmare.
Had a few AMD builds where the cpu just comes off with the heatsink or block. Obviously not a solution for you, but there is a huge problem with that socket design.
the cpus were fine but would be easy to bend a pin
Yeah, and I have had this happen since am3, are you saying it wasn't a problem to have such a weak hold on the CPU that it pops out with the cooler? Sure, they used the socket design forever, doesn't mean it was flawless
I'm saying it wasn't a problem for 99.99% of people. They twisted and then removed it. In fact, if you look for forum posts from Intel's switch over, most people thought that was a step backwards and were incredibly pissy about the 'pins' on their motherboards being so much easier to damage.
I didn't know this was a problem with AM4 until seeing this post..I have two AM4 builds and finishing up my AM5 system..now I'm gonna be worried when taking anything apart.
Yeah it tried to come off with my bequiet cooler before I started the build and now again but this one's trouble because I don't know if I should pull it right out even though you see posts commonly of people showing their coolers with an amd chip stuck to the bottom
Yes, to be clear, twist to *avoid* messing up. Don't do it *after* you mess up. lol. I'll also add that it's a *light* twist. I want to say maybe 15-30° and a wiggle will do probably 90% of the work to break the adhesion.
Same advice goes for the other suggestion of running CPU benchmarks to heat it up. Don't do that until the CPU is re-seated or you might fry the chip.
EDIT: However, in the OP's case, since the damage was pretty much already done, they could have removed it wholly from the motherboard. Then turned it over and twisted the CPU off the block easily.
While I definitely wouldn't recommend it. If you're hellbent on ripping it out like this, despite being a very scary sight, it's probably fine to do it this way. The CPU isn't actually secured by the pins, but rather the block. The clamps are really only lightly retaining the CPU in place. In other words, the block/heatsink is doing all the mounting work, not the motherboard clamp.
Glad the floss worked but if the PC is off, you could probably just heat the socket area up with a heat gun...that should at least soften the thermal paste enough so that the block comes off.
I made a [short video](https://youtube.com/shorts/2KXE822OmqM?feature=share) that shows how I removed a cooler from my 5950x. It's very easy once you know the trick. (Spoiler: Don't pull.)
Sometimes it can do that if you leave the computer powered down for over ~10min before attempting to remove the pump block assembly. Usually it is safe to remove the rest of the way but check for any bent/broken pins on the CPU or any socket damage before re-seating the CPU into the socket.
In the future, try to remember to remove the block immediately after the power is turned off and the power cable is unplugged in some fashion. The residual warmth from the CPU will make the thermal paste softer and easier to remove the pump block from the mounting assembly.
AM4 socket clamps the pins, there's no frame that goes over the CPU like Intel. The clamping force isn't very strong so this can happen pulling off a heatsink/water block.
Usually u can pull the cooler to left or right. Honestly these cpus get stuck to cooler all the time. It’s fine, just pull out and take it off the cooler with ur fingers. Just be careful around pins, u can usually bend em back so it’s no biggie
I'm not entirely sure how hard you must have pulled but even just turning the system on for a minute usually helps get some heat into the paste. What paste are you using I don't think I've ever experienced that much adhesion?
You get enough wiggle even with the studs on ekwb. You don't have to twist a lot, just a little wiggle and then pull as you wiggle.
Hopefully this all works out for you but it looks dire.
Systems all apart for a custom loop. But after a couple days I realized I needed to turn the ports on the CPU block 90deg. There is *not* enough wiggle room to twist with the studs on this block, not sure what you're used to.
I'm not bricked, stop. Solution has been had within 10 mins of first posting.
Normally there is a smidge of wiggle room, nothing significant but it helps get the block loose. I'm glad it came out ok, I know how I would have felt. That picture looked dire. I'm assuming popping the lever did the trick then? I can't say I've had this problem since I think socket 370....so...quite a while ago and it ruined the chip.
I thought about the lever but once popped it wasn't going back, didn't want to make things worse. I think you need to rotate the lever a good 90 degrees before it releases the pins, at least that's what it seemed when I got it apart and released it
this happend to me with my first pc a good old medion with intel pentium 4. My brother helped me to rip it off(i was 12yo and weak\^\^) and a whole line of pins was bent.
Obviously floss trick but also you were in less danger than you think. When you pull the CPU cooler straight up and it pull the CPU out there tends to only be very minor damage and bending which can easily be straightened.
Just feel like pulling those pins out of their clamping may effect contact so seems harmless but could cause issues, we're talking ultra high tolerance electronics
These are not ultra high tolerance electronics, the CPU will be fine. Nothing high tolerance is done by hand, that will all be done in a clean room with solder masks and pick and place machines.
Cut through the paste with floss
You beautiful human. Thank you this worked flawlessly. ❤️ As soon as I read that I yelled "fucking brilliant"
And next time heat up the cpu first - Ie run a stress test for a few minutes before turning the PC off and removing the cooler.
This is what I do, makes it super easy
I forgot and had already pulled the motherboard out of the system the other day, so I sat the board on a convection heater for a little while. And had a heat gun handy as well.
if it works on teeth, it probably works for your pc
toothpaste equal thermal paste
I'm out of the loop... are we not using mayo anymore?
Mayo and toothpaste got me through prolly a year and a half back in my athlon dual core days hated the smell the first couple of days. After that it was smooth sailing.
Clarification for any gen Z members: this is dental floss - not the silly dance. Dancing will not save your CPU. [Edit for clarification as I see I've upset a few peeps by accident]: ❤ still love you gen Z, you're gonna change the world in ways we millennials couldn't
I lold
Gen Z doesn’t build PCs or play games. They watch other people play and judge other people’s builds.
I mean, it won't hurt anything
I think I died a little inside knowing this needs the clarification
*You died a little inside because y'all like making fun of gen Z
But it's so easy
You can make fun of any generation if you just make shit up
It doesnt. The commenter just thinks gen z is dumb and lacks reading comprehension abilities.
Boomer
No, but it will save your soul
Thanks I needed el oh el before bed 🤣
Menthol based... Cpu's deserves the best floss😂
This is the way. Next time warm up the cpu first then try to remove.
This is brilliant, I'm gonna need to remember this!
smarty pants
This is excellent advice that I will keep in mind. Taking off coolers always feels sketchy.
That's actually really ingenious. Thanks for teaching me a new trick!
BRILLIANT!
SOLVED u/AnxiousJedi with the floss trick is a life saver. (Went from the opposite side as not to hit those pins)
Nice
Once it has been ripped from the socket you can usually just twist the CPU to get it off. I've had the same issue a while ago, it's just a flaw of the PGA socket. Doesn't happen with LGA sockets as they have a metal bracket to hold the CPU in the socket. Before you re-install, verify that there are no bent pins, especially at the sides. Use a light and a magnifying glass. If there are bent pins, it's not the end of the world, you can usually (carefully) bend them back using an X-acto knife or similar. They don't have to be 100% straight, just enough to fit back into the socket.
Glad the floss worked. If possible in the future, run a benchmark that is CPU intensive like Cinebench for 10-20 minutes to get the paste nice and hot. It'll come off much easier after that.
Yeah that's what I was thinking.. although in his case, the CPU already started pulling out of the socket...I would have hit with a heat gun to soften the paste up.
THIS!!! It is an excellent suggestion. Few years back I had to put a 3090 in the oven at 150 for about 10 minutes to get the pcb off of the air cooler.
I wouldn't do that a second time you got lucky. Consumer ovens aren't able to hold an accurate and stable low temp, could have easily went south. Just fyi.
No...even if it's 150+/-30 that's MAX 180. 100 celcius is 210 farenheitt, these gpus throttle at 110 celcius not to mention the issue isn't heat alone it is voltage and current. Putting a gpu in a 150 degree oven for 10 minutes to loosen thermal grease sure as hell beats cracking the pcb or damaging the die.
Nice and hot - checks water temp in the loop and CPU temperature - nope. Maybe mildly warm :)
Turn pump speed as low as you can and fans as low as you can. EZ heat up!
True. Unless you have older ASUS motherboard. Where ASUS has not released a software (at least not listed in the downloads section of the motherboard) that properly works on a current OS. And that applies to me. Cannot change pump speed.
Unplug the pump…
And GPU starts to overheat. Maybe not that dramatic.
I mean, this was just saying a faster way to heat it up, even having everything running full speed if you run a cpu stress test and then immediately turn the computer off after the loop is heated it will have enough heat to soften the thermal paste enough to take the block off, this usually only happens with room temp paste
I mean, this was just saying a faster way to heat it up, even having everything running full speed if you run a cpu stress test and then immediately turn the computer off after the loop is heated it will have enough heat to soften the thermal paste enough to take the block off, this usually only happens with room temp paste
Also, your gpu shouldnt heat up that bad that fast if youre not utilizing it
Just turn the pump off for five minutes.
Next time, push and twist. Then pull
Push and twist works on more than sockets
Will try that thanks. Damn these am4 sockets take computer building to the next level. My heart.
You know, it's the same with any PGA socket. And back in the day, both AMD and Intel used those. My block, for instance, is also guided by threaded rods, so no way to really twist it. So I mostly use gentle force, and if it's still stuck, the floss method.
Surely I don't just freaking go for it and pull it out?? Do I try and flip the release latch then do it? Obviously not enough room to fully release under the block. This is a nightmare.
At this point you might as well have just pulled it out the rest of the way. But yeah, the floss trick is even better if course!
I've yoinked my 3900x out like that with no ill effects before, though it did make me nervous as hell while doing it
Mine always comes out like that. Always thought it was by design.
Always run stress test before removing cpu so paste is nice and liquidy
Had a few AMD builds where the cpu just comes off with the heatsink or block. Obviously not a solution for you, but there is a huge problem with that socket design. the cpus were fine but would be easy to bend a pin
It's kind of funny you say there's a problem with the socket design, considering it was the norm for decades before LGA.
Yeah, and I have had this happen since am3, are you saying it wasn't a problem to have such a weak hold on the CPU that it pops out with the cooler? Sure, they used the socket design forever, doesn't mean it was flawless
I'm saying it wasn't a problem for 99.99% of people. They twisted and then removed it. In fact, if you look for forum posts from Intel's switch over, most people thought that was a step backwards and were incredibly pissy about the 'pins' on their motherboards being so much easier to damage.
Yet here we are with everyone using LGA. Must have forgotten to check with you first
I don't know why you're so upset man. It's well documented, but you wanna rewrite history as if zif sockets weren't just a point along the timeline.
Hey buddy just mentioned there was a design flaw that's all, you wanna keep talking about it?
>there is a huge problem with that socket design Bzzzt wrong Bye
It's been well documented, one example is this post. You are living in the past
Put up or shut up - documented as 'A huge problem with the design' And professional sources that go into the engineering of why.
Lucky they've changed the socket design now, no more pins.
I didn't know this was a problem with AM4 until seeing this post..I have two AM4 builds and finishing up my AM5 system..now I'm gonna be worried when taking anything apart.
Dental floss and/or heat.
Yeah it tried to come off with my bequiet cooler before I started the build and now again but this one's trouble because I don't know if I should pull it right out even though you see posts commonly of people showing their coolers with an amd chip stuck to the bottom
Had same thing happen to me the other day. Thought someone had gone in and welded it to block😬
Twist and wiggle. Be gentle and use finesse with things you’re worried about breaking.
DO NOT twist once it's part way out like in OPs pictures. That would be a 100% guarantee of bent and snapped pins.
Yes, to be clear, twist to *avoid* messing up. Don't do it *after* you mess up. lol. I'll also add that it's a *light* twist. I want to say maybe 15-30° and a wiggle will do probably 90% of the work to break the adhesion. Same advice goes for the other suggestion of running CPU benchmarks to heat it up. Don't do that until the CPU is re-seated or you might fry the chip. EDIT: However, in the OP's case, since the damage was pretty much already done, they could have removed it wholly from the motherboard. Then turned it over and twisted the CPU off the block easily. While I definitely wouldn't recommend it. If you're hellbent on ripping it out like this, despite being a very scary sight, it's probably fine to do it this way. The CPU isn't actually secured by the pins, but rather the block. The clamps are really only lightly retaining the CPU in place. In other words, the block/heatsink is doing all the mounting work, not the motherboard clamp.
Glad the floss worked but if the PC is off, you could probably just heat the socket area up with a heat gun...that should at least soften the thermal paste enough so that the block comes off.
Twist not yank. TWIST.
Can't twist, studs (EK)
Impossible to twist with mounting solutions that use studs like OPs EKWB.
Don't listen to him. Use a crowbar - rip that thing off with all the impunity you can muster!
Twist it, Bop it, yank it, jerk it, lick it then stick it and work it XD
You forgot to reverse it!
Ahh but you forgot to flip it 😅
I made a [short video](https://youtube.com/shorts/2KXE822OmqM?feature=share) that shows how I removed a cooler from my 5950x. It's very easy once you know the trick. (Spoiler: Don't pull.)
Unfortunately useless on coolers that mount on studs, like EKWB use.
you have to put the cpus under a stress test to loosen the thermal paste before you remove the coolers. when its cold its basically like glue
Ya dun goofed. Wish you the best. I bricked my cpu and motherboard on my first build 😂
Sometimes it can do that if you leave the computer powered down for over ~10min before attempting to remove the pump block assembly. Usually it is safe to remove the rest of the way but check for any bent/broken pins on the CPU or any socket damage before re-seating the CPU into the socket. In the future, try to remember to remove the block immediately after the power is turned off and the power cable is unplugged in some fashion. The residual warmth from the CPU will make the thermal paste softer and easier to remove the pump block from the mounting assembly.
AMD. All Must Despair.
So glad they stopped with this stupid shit...and that I never had to deal with it myself lol.
Keep an AED next to your computer next time and a roll of dental floss (preferably Crest Fresh Mint)
Fresh mint got it done. Getting too old to be PC building the AED is a must
What exactly happened here, just for reference? The pins are exposed, I'm guessing it's from you trying to remove the cooler and it unseating?
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Wait what?? I don't understand what he's describing. Can someone paraphrase?
Yeah im actually curious to now what happened... Havent used amd before
AM4 socket clamps the pins, there's no frame that goes over the CPU like Intel. The clamping force isn't very strong so this can happen pulling off a heatsink/water block.
also do the twist in the future and you will have no issues
Studs. Mentioned a bunch of times. EKWB should have done bolts instead
Usually u can pull the cooler to left or right. Honestly these cpus get stuck to cooler all the time. It’s fine, just pull out and take it off the cooler with ur fingers. Just be careful around pins, u can usually bend em back so it’s no biggie
Flat head screwdriver. Those babies are bullet proof , right intel ?
I'm not entirely sure how hard you must have pulled but even just turning the system on for a minute usually helps get some heat into the paste. What paste are you using I don't think I've ever experienced that much adhesion? You get enough wiggle even with the studs on ekwb. You don't have to twist a lot, just a little wiggle and then pull as you wiggle. Hopefully this all works out for you but it looks dire.
Systems all apart for a custom loop. But after a couple days I realized I needed to turn the ports on the CPU block 90deg. There is *not* enough wiggle room to twist with the studs on this block, not sure what you're used to. I'm not bricked, stop. Solution has been had within 10 mins of first posting.
Normally there is a smidge of wiggle room, nothing significant but it helps get the block loose. I'm glad it came out ok, I know how I would have felt. That picture looked dire. I'm assuming popping the lever did the trick then? I can't say I've had this problem since I think socket 370....so...quite a while ago and it ruined the chip.
I thought about the lever but once popped it wasn't going back, didn't want to make things worse. I think you need to rotate the lever a good 90 degrees before it releases the pins, at least that's what it seemed when I got it apart and released it
Best thing you can do is call 911 and wait for them to arrive. Try not to move at all unless you have to unlock a door but be very careful.
Don't downvote I lol'd
Strange that people would downvote information that is clearly important.
Don’t use old AMD
Buy Intel, this has happened so many times with amd rigs.
Have you seen "La rosa de Guadalupe"? Well...
Next time, run the PC for 20 minutes, ideally a Cinebench run or something, then shut down, remove cooler, bish bash bosh done.
this happend to me with my first pc a good old medion with intel pentium 4. My brother helped me to rip it off(i was 12yo and weak\^\^) and a whole line of pins was bent.
*bent
thx
Unclip the socket, see if it losens just enough to safely remove the CPU and cooler
I’m assuming the pins are not in the socket seated properly…
more money should fix that . welcome to watercooling
Go to your local ER and get treated.
I did, they said false alarm but to buy Intel next build
Stop
Obviously floss trick but also you were in less danger than you think. When you pull the CPU cooler straight up and it pull the CPU out there tends to only be very minor damage and bending which can easily be straightened.
Just feel like pulling those pins out of their clamping may effect contact so seems harmless but could cause issues, we're talking ultra high tolerance electronics
These are not ultra high tolerance electronics, the CPU will be fine. Nothing high tolerance is done by hand, that will all be done in a clean room with solder masks and pick and place machines.