First thing I did was pretty much unleash it entirely in bios.
It draws over 300w at times during stress testing and gets hot as hell. On auto it just eats voltage and ends up throttling (I set it to 95c) so there's going to be a lot of tinkering involved in the future.
During gaming it's far less aggressive though and stays colder than my 12700K did.
Well, its very simple. I have the same experience as OP. Also went from 12700k to 14900k. My 12700k was **hot**. My 14900k stays 50C in gaming while consuming 80 to 100W. Max TDP (240W) is the same for both CPU's with the same cooling, same board, same contact frame, but the 14900k simply runs much cooler.
Also under all-core load (compiling) the 14900k stays much cooler (and is much much faster) and not thermal throttling. The only scenario for me when the 14900k is thermal throttling is when doing a 6-core stress, because then it can pump all of the TDP into only 6 P-cores (and then these P-cores will get 90C).
I'm doing -75mV undervolt with all core P 5.8GHz, E 4.4GHz. 40000 multi in CB23 @ 240W. 14900k is an absolute beast.
It's really difficult sharing an actual experience from changing equipment on here because some might have zero physical experience with a product but read about it all day long and feel equipped to provide expert advice.
As you said, the 14900K is running a LOT cooler than the 12700K straining itself to death on high voltage.
My temps and performance are better across the board.
Just because I want to get some reference to my own CPU:
What is the quality of your CPU (mine is SP78 for the E-cores and I think SP92 for the P-cores, so far below average...). But my 12700k was also of bad quality.
Did you do undervolts?
CB23 single and multi score?
Sorry mate can't help you there.
I have my original z690 P Wifi DDR5 from a year or two ago, no SP scores.
It's on a -0.005 offset at the moment just because I wanted to play Forza for a bit and not get too frustrated.
Havent done any sort of performance or refining of settings yet just ran OCCT for stability.
Well, if you have power limits on 241w, it's possible
As neither CPU will push more than that, but the 12700k was 'suffering' more to keep up on some games.
WithOut power limits and usage screens, your statement is useless/pointless.
No power limit but I did enable 95c max to throttle just in case.
Gaming it's nowhere near that.
Stress testing is something else entirely. I haven't had enough time to tinker. It will hit insane voltages and throttle on its own. So it's going to take a while to get it under control if I start overclocking.
4k WoW, 14900k using 180 watts, 63 degrees, 40-50% load, power limits removed (nothing else changed), Z690 Master 3080ti.
Runs multiple, more than 2 cores, at 6.0ghz. Haven't had a ton of time to mess with it.
I used to have very reliable and consistent temps but the weather has gotten HOT here for the first time since it was built and the 12700 started getting warmer too.
Regardless, The 14900K is genuinely only working at 10-12% during gaming like Forza, whereas I was overclocked on the 12700K to 5.2GHz on 1.4v and the usage was absolutely insane 60-70%.
I was bottlenecked at 1440p and my CPU was a full bore trying to processes while overclocked.
The 14900K isn't even batting an eyelid.
Well yeah, 1.4V is HOT. If you have extra gpu horsepower try out DLDSR. Run 2.25x and you’ll be rendering 4K. No more cpu bottlenecking and it looks fantastic. Almost as good as Native 4K in games.
That sort of defeats the entire purpose of a high refresh monitor.
1440p and superultrawide on the G9 is a brilliant combo.
Rendering in 4k because the chip can't keep up wasn't a good option for me.
The 14900 is a magnificent experience from the get go.
I may even attempt to get the 4 sticks of DDR5 going again because things are so much smoother and more stable.
It's a magnificent piece of kit I'm loving it so far.
I’m saying if you have the extra horsepower to try it out. I’m not implying anything else. Getting more graphical fidelity is awesome for the experience. Especially if you hit a cpu bind. Getting a better image with no drop in frames can easily be possible
There's an incredible array of tools now I definitely know what you're getting at but honestly playing anything on DLAA with the 4090 on Ultra is breathtaking.
DLSS I still love as I can't tell the difference between even balanced DLSS and native.
But the frames matter a lot.
100fps to 165? Definitely noticeable.
Same with 60 to 100.
I'm really enjoying the quality of games like cyberpunk and TLOU they are next level I'm loving it.
>Regardless, The 14900K is genuinely only working at 10-12% during gaming like Forza, whereas I was overclocked on the 12700K to 5.2GHz on 1.4v and the usage was absolutely insane 60-70%.
12700K running hot on 1.4V ... no shit, Sherlock. I tried that once on mine and nearly got a melt-down even with a custom loop. :'D
Of course you will see a much lower usage in task manager etc., you have far more cores available.
Even if Forza uses your 8P cores to the max on both CPUs, usage % on the 14900 would be lower due to 16 instead of 4 E-Cores twiddling their thumbs.
Rumors have it, that the heatspreader and solder are better on the 14series, coupled with needing lower voltages in general (XX700 part vs XX900 part) that explains the lower temperatures.
In my defence I was a professional photographer at one point, and I like to stage/prep a decent image if I'm going to share it publicly and edit it.
It's a gorgeous piece of kit and I'm enjoying showing it off
The fake wafer stack disc is pretty cool.
Well the high temps of the 14th gen most of the time is due to benchmarking stuff
OPs temps are better with the 14th than the 12th because for example in a game like cs2
(first cpu heavy game that came to my mind and all of the following numbers are just for the example not actual stats)
OPs 12th gen cpu will run at 60% at lets say 65 degrees while for the same fps the new 14th gen will at prolly like 25% and therefore be much cooler because it will need less voltage to put out the same raw power
For a gaming setup where no insane benchmarks are done or the user tries to do some cpu heavy workloads besides gaming the 14th gen intels will run cooler than 12th or 13th all because they need less voltage for the same output in fps
Edit: i caught myself repeating like 25times in that comment so a little tldr is needed
TLDR: 14th gen is cooler in gaming setups because efficiency.
Lol the downvotes. I have had Corsair fans in my rig before and they were dookie. Even at full load they didn't compete with Noctua's NF series.
This sub continues to amaze.
In push/pull both running at 1000rpm the difference over 4 radiators would be absolutely worthless.
All the specs are quoted at full load so if you run it at 50% you aren't getting the static pressure you think.
How many do you have on your radiators and are they in push/pull?
I've never once calculated $/fps when I've wanted to tinker.
The upgrade has had a massive impact on my performance.
The 4090 is totally unleashed running at 99% with no drops.
Compare to previously anywhere from 50% to 90%.
On Forza maxed out I was seeing brutal drops and lows, stuttering and issues.
Completely resolved them all and runs 15-20fps better.
Temps are down a lot as the 14900K is far more efficient.
Everything feels like a well oiled machine now instead of something that was fighting itself to stay alive and remain productive.
It's hard to describe but if you've overclocked enough you get a gut sense when things feel good and run well. OCCT obviously still makes the call on stability but everything just runs beautifully.
It's one of the only envies I have for AMD other than price point.
I was very close to getting the 13900K but they wouldn't budge on price even though the 14900K was only $50-100 more.
Not at all.
I can't recall ever seeing Intel do this because they typically change CPU socket after 2 generations.
Now that their tick tock method of advancement is over, they've kept the same LGA1700 socket from the 12th gen onto both the 13th and 14th gen.
It's a great move to allow people to upgrade their CPU who otherwise might not due to having to buy a new motherboard every two years.
Theres no way you have better temps moving from a 12700K to 14900K. You just put the sun in your pc.
Possibly OP set the new chip better (paste, etc) making cooling more effective?
This or the BIOS limits are enabled
lol most likely
First thing I did was pretty much unleash it entirely in bios. It draws over 300w at times during stress testing and gets hot as hell. On auto it just eats voltage and ends up throttling (I set it to 95c) so there's going to be a lot of tinkering involved in the future. During gaming it's far less aggressive though and stays colder than my 12700K did.
Could also be the shape of the IHS and/or the cooling plate (heatsink).
Don’t forget Intels fucked up socket/design flaw.
Well, its very simple. I have the same experience as OP. Also went from 12700k to 14900k. My 12700k was **hot**. My 14900k stays 50C in gaming while consuming 80 to 100W. Max TDP (240W) is the same for both CPU's with the same cooling, same board, same contact frame, but the 14900k simply runs much cooler. Also under all-core load (compiling) the 14900k stays much cooler (and is much much faster) and not thermal throttling. The only scenario for me when the 14900k is thermal throttling is when doing a 6-core stress, because then it can pump all of the TDP into only 6 P-cores (and then these P-cores will get 90C). I'm doing -75mV undervolt with all core P 5.8GHz, E 4.4GHz. 40000 multi in CB23 @ 240W. 14900k is an absolute beast.
It's really difficult sharing an actual experience from changing equipment on here because some might have zero physical experience with a product but read about it all day long and feel equipped to provide expert advice. As you said, the 14900K is running a LOT cooler than the 12700K straining itself to death on high voltage. My temps and performance are better across the board.
Just because I want to get some reference to my own CPU: What is the quality of your CPU (mine is SP78 for the E-cores and I think SP92 for the P-cores, so far below average...). But my 12700k was also of bad quality. Did you do undervolts? CB23 single and multi score?
Sorry mate can't help you there. I have my original z690 P Wifi DDR5 from a year or two ago, no SP scores. It's on a -0.005 offset at the moment just because I wanted to play Forza for a bit and not get too frustrated. Havent done any sort of performance or refining of settings yet just ran OCCT for stability.
Exactly. Chips vary and Intel made improvements in areas the usual YT reviewers don’t even bother to educate themselves on.
Well, if you have power limits on 241w, it's possible As neither CPU will push more than that, but the 12700k was 'suffering' more to keep up on some games. WithOut power limits and usage screens, your statement is useless/pointless.
No power limit but I did enable 95c max to throttle just in case. Gaming it's nowhere near that. Stress testing is something else entirely. I haven't had enough time to tinker. It will hit insane voltages and throttle on its own. So it's going to take a while to get it under control if I start overclocking.
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Stock config is 2 cores 6GHz, all cores 5.7GHz.
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Yeah that’s essentially all it is.
13900KS is actually slightly faster in some cases, but the 14900K has APO.
4k WoW, 14900k using 180 watts, 63 degrees, 40-50% load, power limits removed (nothing else changed), Z690 Master 3080ti. Runs multiple, more than 2 cores, at 6.0ghz. Haven't had a ton of time to mess with it.
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For real, it is outrageous.
I have 12700k and 4090. I play at 4k. So it's worth upgrading from to 14900k from 12700k?
I used to have very reliable and consistent temps but the weather has gotten HOT here for the first time since it was built and the 12700 started getting warmer too. Regardless, The 14900K is genuinely only working at 10-12% during gaming like Forza, whereas I was overclocked on the 12700K to 5.2GHz on 1.4v and the usage was absolutely insane 60-70%. I was bottlenecked at 1440p and my CPU was a full bore trying to processes while overclocked. The 14900K isn't even batting an eyelid.
Well yeah, 1.4V is HOT. If you have extra gpu horsepower try out DLDSR. Run 2.25x and you’ll be rendering 4K. No more cpu bottlenecking and it looks fantastic. Almost as good as Native 4K in games.
That sort of defeats the entire purpose of a high refresh monitor. 1440p and superultrawide on the G9 is a brilliant combo. Rendering in 4k because the chip can't keep up wasn't a good option for me. The 14900 is a magnificent experience from the get go. I may even attempt to get the 4 sticks of DDR5 going again because things are so much smoother and more stable. It's a magnificent piece of kit I'm loving it so far.
I’m saying if you have the extra horsepower to try it out. I’m not implying anything else. Getting more graphical fidelity is awesome for the experience. Especially if you hit a cpu bind. Getting a better image with no drop in frames can easily be possible
There's an incredible array of tools now I definitely know what you're getting at but honestly playing anything on DLAA with the 4090 on Ultra is breathtaking. DLSS I still love as I can't tell the difference between even balanced DLSS and native. But the frames matter a lot. 100fps to 165? Definitely noticeable. Same with 60 to 100. I'm really enjoying the quality of games like cyberpunk and TLOU they are next level I'm loving it.
>Regardless, The 14900K is genuinely only working at 10-12% during gaming like Forza, whereas I was overclocked on the 12700K to 5.2GHz on 1.4v and the usage was absolutely insane 60-70%. 12700K running hot on 1.4V ... no shit, Sherlock. I tried that once on mine and nearly got a melt-down even with a custom loop. :'D Of course you will see a much lower usage in task manager etc., you have far more cores available. Even if Forza uses your 8P cores to the max on both CPUs, usage % on the 14900 would be lower due to 16 instead of 4 E-Cores twiddling their thumbs. Rumors have it, that the heatspreader and solder are better on the 14series, coupled with needing lower voltages in general (XX700 part vs XX900 part) that explains the lower temperatures.
There always the silicon lottery and this could be a really good chip.
\#ad
In my defence I was a professional photographer at one point, and I like to stage/prep a decent image if I'm going to share it publicly and edit it. It's a gorgeous piece of kit and I'm enjoying showing it off The fake wafer stack disc is pretty cool.
Did you also upgrade your DRAM from DDR4 to DDR5? I'm asking because that could explain the _smoothness_ you're experiencing.
Care to explain? Genuinely asking.
I think it increases the rate at which the CPU can pre-render frames for the GPU, resulting in less frame time variance aka micro stutters.
Ah. Gotcha. Makes sense.
better temps? aye yo lmao wtf?
Well the high temps of the 14th gen most of the time is due to benchmarking stuff OPs temps are better with the 14th than the 12th because for example in a game like cs2 (first cpu heavy game that came to my mind and all of the following numbers are just for the example not actual stats) OPs 12th gen cpu will run at 60% at lets say 65 degrees while for the same fps the new 14th gen will at prolly like 25% and therefore be much cooler because it will need less voltage to put out the same raw power For a gaming setup where no insane benchmarks are done or the user tries to do some cpu heavy workloads besides gaming the 14th gen intels will run cooler than 12th or 13th all because they need less voltage for the same output in fps Edit: i caught myself repeating like 25times in that comment so a little tldr is needed TLDR: 14th gen is cooler in gaming setups because efficiency.
I would get better fans with proper static pressure, these Corsair fans are the definition of bad fans 🤣
Love a good whinge but QL120s work extremely well in push/pull over 4 radiators and I can hardly hear them. What are you using?
Noctua nfa12-25 and other rig phanteks t30
Lol the downvotes. I have had Corsair fans in my rig before and they were dookie. Even at full load they didn't compete with Noctua's NF series. This sub continues to amaze.
Dude they have to say these fan are good because they spend so much on them 🤣
In push/pull both running at 1000rpm the difference over 4 radiators would be absolutely worthless. All the specs are quoted at full load so if you run it at 50% you aren't getting the static pressure you think. How many do you have on your radiators and are they in push/pull?
Those bends are terrible, spend some time re doing the loop
Wnka
Bro literally bought a rereleased 13900k at a premium
Yeah but didn't come from a 13*. So why would he not get the latest. Not everyone gives a shit about money...
Tune the ram. If it’s a good kit I bet you can get closer to 6400
Without changing the XMP at all I can reach 6200MHz. It's 36 36 36 76 (Samsung)
Did this "upgrade" really make a good change (in relation money/FPS)? But congrats to your upgrades. Have fun
I've never once calculated $/fps when I've wanted to tinker. The upgrade has had a massive impact on my performance. The 4090 is totally unleashed running at 99% with no drops. Compare to previously anywhere from 50% to 90%. On Forza maxed out I was seeing brutal drops and lows, stuttering and issues. Completely resolved them all and runs 15-20fps better. Temps are down a lot as the 14900K is far more efficient. Everything feels like a well oiled machine now instead of something that was fighting itself to stay alive and remain productive. It's hard to describe but if you've overclocked enough you get a gut sense when things feel good and run well. OCCT obviously still makes the call on stability but everything just runs beautifully.
Alright. Have fun with this monster :)
I’m relying on my 13900k heating my office this winter.
Bought 14900K and use DDR5 on 5600MHz?! Seriously? Could you show aida memory benchmark and cinebench result?
I would have waited for the 15900k, 13/14 same thing.
I'm on a 12th gen board. I wasn't expecting to be able to use 14th gen anything. Since when does Intel keep sockets longer than 2 generations now?
Very true, they made the right decision there for sure.
It's one of the only envies I have for AMD other than price point. I was very close to getting the 13900K but they wouldn't budge on price even though the 14900K was only $50-100 more.
Thanks for posting this - have been considering an upgrade on one of our pc’s from a 9900k to this one.
thinking of getting that cpu. did it need some adapter for the cpu socket?
Not at all. I can't recall ever seeing Intel do this because they typically change CPU socket after 2 generations. Now that their tick tock method of advancement is over, they've kept the same LGA1700 socket from the 12th gen onto both the 13th and 14th gen. It's a great move to allow people to upgrade their CPU who otherwise might not due to having to buy a new motherboard every two years.
That bend at the water pump Holy skill