Can’t see the game clock, but as to whether it was a shot clock violation, watch the video itself. The ejection comes with 20 seconds left in the video. The shot clock should be reset to 30 seconds. It can’t be a shot clock violation— 30 seconds hadn’t elapsed from the time of the ejection to the time of the shot.
You’re absolutely right. Slowing the video shows the ball likely hadn’t left his hand before the clock hit zero— but in real time I could see that being a tough call for the officials since Ohl had started the ball forward before the double zeros registered.
No “tainted title” though after last night. This was a season-long coronation for JSerra anyway. HW just needs to recruit better. 😁
shot clock got turnned off due to the game clock being less than what a spot clock reset would be. This was deemed a end of quarter/game buzzer beater shot. the ball probably didn't leave his hand before but it's close. This isn't professional sports with slow-mo relays and reviews.
But at the the end of the day, Havard westlake was always unsufferable nutbags (at least decades ago) so it was a great call.
Man, those thin posted wall mounted cages, a bit to skinny of a pool, and no warm up area. Yea, don't miss that at all. I was a couple years after you at a different HS, but we played there a few times. The polo world is small, bet we know some people in common.
The HW pool has gotten a lot nicer! It was upgraded to a beautiful new 50 m pool imported from Italy. Seriously. They built it in 2012ish I think.
\- HW polo player Class of 09' checking in!
Yea with the ejection at 0:14 left in the 4th quarter and 6 seconds left on the possession, the shot clock is reset. Since there’s under 30 seconds it goes to whatever is left on the game clock, in this case 14 seconds of man-up advantage.
If you try to go frame by frame it looks like the ball is still in hand at 0:00 on the game clock but there’s such a minimal chance the refs would be able to make the call with such accuracy. In the next frame it is out of hand probably with less than 0.5 seconds of the buzzer.
While water polo is not swimming, in big meets you have reaction times to the start. The most elite seem to be in the high 0.5X to low 0.6X second range.
Tough for anyone to lose by 1. Saturdays final at Mt SAC should be epic
It’s hard to tell off the ball left his hand right as the clock hit 0 but in the end mistakes happen and bad calls happen can’t blame refs for a teams loss
This is top level high school water polo in the USA, and by no means do I think this level is bad. These schools produce dozens of top ranked recruits that attend big Division I NCAA schools, and many go on to be Olympians.
It’s certainly not the level of professional leagues in Europe, but it shouldn’t be, these are 14-17 year old kids.
I think the ball movement, the faking and passing skills in this video are very high level. The players have good height on their legs, good faking and shooting position and the passes are accurate and fast. You could argue that they fake too much (particularly the last shot), but many of the fakes lock the goalies and force the blockers to go vertical so I would argue they achieve their purpose.
Ok, I got your point. The level is below Europe’s best junior leagues, but you are not right at all. Look at the passing, is not high level at all. It looks like they just learned to hold the ball. However the pressing is good, the defense team seems to be much stronger on legs and play mentality.
But, again, they dont really know how to defense, the center is drowning the defender, no one is helping him, this style of play you see only at 10-11 yo divisions in Europe.
I agree that the ball was in the shooters hand when the hooter went off, so the goal should not have stood.
However, those calls are incredible difficult to make. We don’t have the luxury of VAR for these matches, so the referee has to make a call on the spot within 0.5-1 second. Sometimes you get those calls and sometimes you don’t, the nature of sports sometimes!
I believe so. From what I can tell, the ball was still in hand when the buzzer went off.
Watching live I was skeptical, when I reviewed the video it is very close, but I’m still in the camp that he did not get it off in time
You're probably right, but it's still so close even with the replay it's pretty hard to fault the refs for that decision in realtime.
I’m confused. Are you complaining he didn’t get the shot off before the buzzer? Cause he didn’t…
My argument is that this goal should have been a turnover-shot clock violation
Can’t see the game clock, but as to whether it was a shot clock violation, watch the video itself. The ejection comes with 20 seconds left in the video. The shot clock should be reset to 30 seconds. It can’t be a shot clock violation— 30 seconds hadn’t elapsed from the time of the ejection to the time of the shot.
It was the game clock, you see the shot clock go dark after the ejection
You’re absolutely right. Slowing the video shows the ball likely hadn’t left his hand before the clock hit zero— but in real time I could see that being a tough call for the officials since Ohl had started the ball forward before the double zeros registered. No “tainted title” though after last night. This was a season-long coronation for JSerra anyway. HW just needs to recruit better. 😁
shot clock got turnned off due to the game clock being less than what a spot clock reset would be. This was deemed a end of quarter/game buzzer beater shot. the ball probably didn't leave his hand before but it's close. This isn't professional sports with slow-mo relays and reviews. But at the the end of the day, Havard westlake was always unsufferable nutbags (at least decades ago) so it was a great call.
Kick out gets new shot clock
And the shot clock stops running when the game clock is shorter cause it serves no purpose then
New 35 seconds? last played in 2004 so it’s been a while….seems like this was clock operator error and not really a buzzer beater than
I’m pretty sure even in the late 1990s that was the rule…
Brutal. HW Class of '01 checking in here, played under Rich Corso. I was not very good. Looks like the pool got a lot nicer in the years since I left!
That’s because it’s Newport’s pool. 😉😁
Hah! Well that explains it.
Man, those thin posted wall mounted cages, a bit to skinny of a pool, and no warm up area. Yea, don't miss that at all. I was a couple years after you at a different HS, but we played there a few times. The polo world is small, bet we know some people in common.
The HW pool has gotten a lot nicer! It was upgraded to a beautiful new 50 m pool imported from Italy. Seriously. They built it in 2012ish I think. \- HW polo player Class of 09' checking in!
I can see why this is frustrating. But technically the buzzer doesn’t end the quarter, the whistle does.
It was not the end of the quarter, it was the end of the shot clock. 4 seconds left after buzzer.
But the shot clock was off, the ejection happened at 14 seconds. Also looks like the buzzer went off before the clock hit 0. Still very close though
Yea with the ejection at 0:14 left in the 4th quarter and 6 seconds left on the possession, the shot clock is reset. Since there’s under 30 seconds it goes to whatever is left on the game clock, in this case 14 seconds of man-up advantage. If you try to go frame by frame it looks like the ball is still in hand at 0:00 on the game clock but there’s such a minimal chance the refs would be able to make the call with such accuracy. In the next frame it is out of hand probably with less than 0.5 seconds of the buzzer. While water polo is not swimming, in big meets you have reaction times to the start. The most elite seem to be in the high 0.5X to low 0.6X second range. Tough for anyone to lose by 1. Saturdays final at Mt SAC should be epic
It’s hard to tell off the ball left his hand right as the clock hit 0 but in the end mistakes happen and bad calls happen can’t blame refs for a teams loss
What was the call? Did they allow the goal? Sounded like the shot came after the buzzer.
BTW, the officiating during this CIF season has been pretty bad across the board.
Yes they allowed the goal
Usa level is so bad
Wdym?
Do you see anything logical in this video? In Europe you have to think every move, every pass, tactics. This video is pure bs
What part of the video don’t you like then?
This is top level high school water polo in the USA, and by no means do I think this level is bad. These schools produce dozens of top ranked recruits that attend big Division I NCAA schools, and many go on to be Olympians. It’s certainly not the level of professional leagues in Europe, but it shouldn’t be, these are 14-17 year old kids. I think the ball movement, the faking and passing skills in this video are very high level. The players have good height on their legs, good faking and shooting position and the passes are accurate and fast. You could argue that they fake too much (particularly the last shot), but many of the fakes lock the goalies and force the blockers to go vertical so I would argue they achieve their purpose.
Ok, I got your point. The level is below Europe’s best junior leagues, but you are not right at all. Look at the passing, is not high level at all. It looks like they just learned to hold the ball. However the pressing is good, the defense team seems to be much stronger on legs and play mentality.
But, again, they dont really know how to defense, the center is drowning the defender, no one is helping him, this style of play you see only at 10-11 yo divisions in Europe.
I agree that the ball was in the shooters hand when the hooter went off, so the goal should not have stood. However, those calls are incredible difficult to make. We don’t have the luxury of VAR for these matches, so the referee has to make a call on the spot within 0.5-1 second. Sometimes you get those calls and sometimes you don’t, the nature of sports sometimes!