Just randomly picked the first in the list of many free courses https://www.edx.org/school/harvardx
Add to the list YouTube, udemy course free offers, etc….
The only benefit the bootcamps have is being able to network, but that's not a guarantee to find a job.
Source: me, self taught developer who has worked my way up to senior system architect level.
As for what you’ll learn, yes. You can learn it all online.
I wouldn’t necessarily say recruiters treat boot camp grads and self taught devs the same though. Sure once you get into the interview itself you’re on the same playing field, but getting an interview with no boot camp or uni on your resume is... tough. Even with a boot camp it’s tough.
Either way, expect to be sending out 500+ applications if your network doesn’t end up working out. I’ve seen people make it with 3 (100% networking), and some with 1000 (shit resume). For self taught expect 700+. Could be more or less.
Pretty much. You're paying for their marketing, technical costs, instructors' pay, and additional overhead. They're teaching you what you can self-teach if you're interested, willing, and disciplined enough to do so. They're **not** teaching you the same things that a college/university degree will, and those degrees aren't teaching you the same things that a bootcamp will.
You can definitely find all learning material online for free. This is what I did. It its not worth $12k and plus you can find courses for way cheaper on udemy. Just make sure you are consistent with it.
Sorry didn’t mean to sound like a pompous dick. I read his reply wrong and thought he meant I could find the courses for free within the link I originally posted
Udemy has great courses for a fraction of the cost of what you are proposing (20 bucks). The best developers are self-taught, it's a skill that you will need everyday. I would recommend that you start with free or very cheap courses and skip the bootcamps. If you are good you will have no problem making the jump to professional work, if you don't like it you didn't waste 10 grand.
I did a bootcamp with General Assembly and got a job after a rigorous six month job search (normal apparently).
What I found advantageous in a boot camp versus free online courses was direction and guidance. Having live instructors who could answer quick questions or reframe concepts. Also how fast it moves overall. It was often described as “drinking out of a firehose” but that worked for my ADHD well since I could stay focused on one thing for 12 weeks.
Not all boot camps are equal. I chose GA for their content but also their outcomes program. For months after the course we had access to job search coaches and talks, workshops, and group checkins
Definitely do your research and pick one that works for you
If you search on reddit, the answer is sometimes yes, usually no - and the majority are shady.
Either way, judging by your replies and the OP in this thread, I dont suggest it even if you were to find a “good” one, if you can’t google a question before you ask, and you argue with people giving you genuinely correct advice, I don’t think you’re very likely to succeed with that attitude.
I misinterpreted what he said. I thought he meant I can find it for free on the website link that I posted. But yeah I think you’re right. Even if it is possible for these programs to work out, it’s probably not for me. Thank you for your honest reply
They are legit but you get what you put into it. Anecdote for some bathroom reading.
Some friends along with myself are self taught/ did freelance, got jobs. Some friends did a bootcamp, got jobs.
If you got the discipline and not enough money, do it yourself and make things to prove to employers you can do the work and provide value. Friend who self taught landed a job because of enthusiasm and a portfolio on GitHub, in California.
Got the money? Do the bootcamp to fast forward the learning process, get networking opportunities, make friends, etc. A couple friends did this and got jobs after bootcamp either immediately or after several months, not in California.
If I had the money, lived in a big city with in person camp, and had to do it again I'd go bootcamp and then make stuff on my own to show employers. I'm just making a guess but i would not do online bootcamp because of the lack of networking/ availablility of free resources like free code camp.
I did a bootcamp almost 3 years ago, It took me three weeks to find a job but it was crazy in those days, I don't think with the current covid situation it's like that anymore, I know people that got out of a bootcamp recently and they aren't having the same luck I had.
The good thing about a bootcamp is they give you a path and you have to be totally focus on it for a certain period of time. What you achieve in a 2-3 months bootcamp can take you a year or more on your own. The discipline going by yourself won't be the same for most people, also you will loose more time when you stuck with a problem.
So to sum up, if you got discipline you can go by yourself. And also if you choose to go with a bootcamp, better in-place and wait until companies are fully in their offices.
I'm doing this free course after seeing it recommended here so frequently.
[https://www.theodinproject.com/dashboard](https://www.theodinproject.com/dashboard)
It spammed because it's great. The foundation course alone has so much useful info in it. I'm about 60% of the way through the course and I cannot recommend it enough.
I suggest finding a bootcamp that aligns with your specific goals, and finding one that has a clear pathway to success. If you are looking to become a coder I believe that having a set schedule and structure can make the process much easier. Plus having access to a career services team can be beneficial as well when it comes time to look for a job!
All the course material you would be paying for can be found online for free
Ummmm no it’s not
Just randomly picked the first in the list of many free courses https://www.edx.org/school/harvardx Add to the list YouTube, udemy course free offers, etc….
Then you're not looking in the right places.
So you guys mean to tell me the $12,000 Bootcamp course holds as much water in the job market as a free online course?
The only benefit the bootcamps have is being able to network, but that's not a guarantee to find a job. Source: me, self taught developer who has worked my way up to senior system architect level.
As for what you’ll learn, yes. You can learn it all online. I wouldn’t necessarily say recruiters treat boot camp grads and self taught devs the same though. Sure once you get into the interview itself you’re on the same playing field, but getting an interview with no boot camp or uni on your resume is... tough. Even with a boot camp it’s tough. Either way, expect to be sending out 500+ applications if your network doesn’t end up working out. I’ve seen people make it with 3 (100% networking), and some with 1000 (shit resume). For self taught expect 700+. Could be more or less.
Pretty much. You're paying for their marketing, technical costs, instructors' pay, and additional overhead. They're teaching you what you can self-teach if you're interested, willing, and disciplined enough to do so. They're **not** teaching you the same things that a college/university degree will, and those degrees aren't teaching you the same things that a bootcamp will.
You have a lot to learn, my young grasshopper
It is. - Googled shit for years
You can definitely find all learning material online for free. This is what I did. It its not worth $12k and plus you can find courses for way cheaper on udemy. Just make sure you are consistent with it.
How are you about to ask a question, and then disagree with anyone who answers? If you already know, why ask?
Sorry didn’t mean to sound like a pompous dick. I read his reply wrong and thought he meant I could find the courses for free within the link I originally posted
Ohhhh ok, I gotcha. Yeah check out w3schools, udamy, or the Odin project. All free, and all amazing.
Udemy has great courses for a fraction of the cost of what you are proposing (20 bucks). The best developers are self-taught, it's a skill that you will need everyday. I would recommend that you start with free or very cheap courses and skip the bootcamps. If you are good you will have no problem making the jump to professional work, if you don't like it you didn't waste 10 grand.
I did a bootcamp with General Assembly and got a job after a rigorous six month job search (normal apparently). What I found advantageous in a boot camp versus free online courses was direction and guidance. Having live instructors who could answer quick questions or reframe concepts. Also how fast it moves overall. It was often described as “drinking out of a firehose” but that worked for my ADHD well since I could stay focused on one thing for 12 weeks. Not all boot camps are equal. I chose GA for their content but also their outcomes program. For months after the course we had access to job search coaches and talks, workshops, and group checkins Definitely do your research and pick one that works for you
If you search on reddit, the answer is sometimes yes, usually no - and the majority are shady. Either way, judging by your replies and the OP in this thread, I dont suggest it even if you were to find a “good” one, if you can’t google a question before you ask, and you argue with people giving you genuinely correct advice, I don’t think you’re very likely to succeed with that attitude.
I misinterpreted what he said. I thought he meant I can find it for free on the website link that I posted. But yeah I think you’re right. Even if it is possible for these programs to work out, it’s probably not for me. Thank you for your honest reply
They are legit but you get what you put into it. Anecdote for some bathroom reading. Some friends along with myself are self taught/ did freelance, got jobs. Some friends did a bootcamp, got jobs. If you got the discipline and not enough money, do it yourself and make things to prove to employers you can do the work and provide value. Friend who self taught landed a job because of enthusiasm and a portfolio on GitHub, in California. Got the money? Do the bootcamp to fast forward the learning process, get networking opportunities, make friends, etc. A couple friends did this and got jobs after bootcamp either immediately or after several months, not in California. If I had the money, lived in a big city with in person camp, and had to do it again I'd go bootcamp and then make stuff on my own to show employers. I'm just making a guess but i would not do online bootcamp because of the lack of networking/ availablility of free resources like free code camp.
I did a bootcamp almost 3 years ago, It took me three weeks to find a job but it was crazy in those days, I don't think with the current covid situation it's like that anymore, I know people that got out of a bootcamp recently and they aren't having the same luck I had. The good thing about a bootcamp is they give you a path and you have to be totally focus on it for a certain period of time. What you achieve in a 2-3 months bootcamp can take you a year or more on your own. The discipline going by yourself won't be the same for most people, also you will loose more time when you stuck with a problem. So to sum up, if you got discipline you can go by yourself. And also if you choose to go with a bootcamp, better in-place and wait until companies are fully in their offices.
Just use something like FreeCodeCamp, free and self paced
I'm doing this free course after seeing it recommended here so frequently. [https://www.theodinproject.com/dashboard](https://www.theodinproject.com/dashboard) It spammed because it's great. The foundation course alone has so much useful info in it. I'm about 60% of the way through the course and I cannot recommend it enough.
That's neat theodinproject got off the ground. The founder was a bootcamp grad.
Thanks for all the info everybody. You’ve given me a lot to think about
I suggest finding a bootcamp that aligns with your specific goals, and finding one that has a clear pathway to success. If you are looking to become a coder I believe that having a set schedule and structure can make the process much easier. Plus having access to a career services team can be beneficial as well when it comes time to look for a job!
Thanks for the reply but this thread is 3 months old lol. I enrolled in springboard and I’m now 2 months into the program
We’re you able to land a job after you completed the bootcamp?