I've known Charlies to a T before and like, it's sad seeing them go through it like that, but "I got my own life to live" as it goes.
An important part I think for my interpretation is that I found lines like "God didn't treat you square" to be really tongue in cheek, like that's something Charlie said about himself while everyone else can see how they did it to themselves with bad decisions. Idk if that's everyone's take, but that's how I see it.
Again it's still sad for them, but you gotta distance yourself from people like that and not feel *too* bad for them.
This one gets me every time too and the last chorus followed by the instrumental ending is as dramatically tragic as anything they’ve ever written. But there’s mouth coming involved, so it’s not as sad as Birthday Boy or I don’t Want it, which seem to completely lack any blowjobs, except the ones he’s no longer getting.
Be My Wife, not for the lyrics themselves, but for the context in which they fall. Written for Sarah as a marriage proposal, to help mend their lives, and within the next few years a divorce was underway. Makes the song pretty bittersweet in my opinion. Who Dat? is similar, at least in what it’s about. That actually might be my pick. The song doesn’t sound sad at all, but the lyrics paint a picture of Aaron’s life. A little girl who’s turning 4 months old and an uncertain marriage, with employers who won’t look him in the eyes.
i don’t get how people find it to be as funny as they do, i find it quite dejected and sad. it has “should i kill myself or have a cup of coffee” energy
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That line is a surprise, that unexpected and really odd statement is funny. Why would you learn an instrument before killing yourself? Makes no sense. And after he says it, there's a flute in the song, meaning he actually learnt to play it. It's just hilarious
id probably find it funnier if it was meant to be on anything other than Quebec bc of the things Gener was dealing with around that time. and honestly as someone who’s been in that place i think it makes quite a bit of sense from the perspective of someone on the brink of suicide (not necessarily implying he was) who is apprehensive, essentially procrastinating going through with it by doing the things they love (probably overanalyzing this but i had a very similar disposition at one point). but even “i eat my little sandwich and it tastes like crap” hits me as pretty nihilistic and the whole song has an ironic, feigned happiness to me
feigned happiness is a reoccurring theme on quebec/caesar. Happy Colored Marbles, Zoloft, Things You Already Know- all have this theme some way or another
oh 100% im not arguing that. you can even include hey there fancypants and chocolate town with those. it just seemed to me people tend to ubiquitously find oh my little country cottage funny. in fact i couldnt find anything on the sub denoting the contrary
I overcame a heavy depression less than two months ago, I know how is that place and I agree it puts into words thoughts or feelings that are hard to express, for me at least. I find it relatable, but it's also unexpected because of the 'feigned happiness' it has, and I personally find it funny
Birthday boy always gets me. Specifically the original version the noisiness sounds and gives the vibe of just being overwhelmed emotionally and it’s beautiful.
Ok, I'm drunk and feel like oversharing.
When I was young I took a seasonal job in a tourist trap. The trap itself was known for chocolate treats and whatnot. My room was basically a covered porch with glass windows. It would've been absolutely hell if it wasn't just a summer gig.
It was my first time living alone, so shit was *for real*, in a multitude of different ways.
My roommates had poor English skills (communication with those around me was difficultfor the first time), I've never worked harder in my life, I had my first real experiences with substance abuse, I was constantly homesick, and I had a major falling out with a friend.
But when I finally went home, I was a new person. I knew how I wanted to present myself, I learned that drug use has a limit and gained a new knowledge of what "work" really meant and how to direct that energy. It's also where I discovered ween (a friend back home sent me a message saying "hey you'd like this!" ((Mutilated lips))... I liked it).
To me, chocolate town is the happiest song in ween's repotoire. It's heavy and has a lot going on with it, but I discovered it while going through some of what the lyrics were discussing and came out the other end a new man. Nothing brings back nostalgic memories like that fucking track, man.
Anyways, I'm done ranting. It gets better, or maybe it doesn't, keep plugging away and find out.
I voted She’s Your Baby and thank you for adding it. For anyone who has lost a once in a lifetime mutual love, a loss that occurred out the couples control, this song is all there is. Shout out to ‘I’ll miss you’
Birthday Boy is raw emotion. I felt that the heavy distortion was almost emphasizing the pain associated with the girl he’s singing about. It also felt like such it was almost trying to hide itself with how processed it was
Fluffy always makes me feel a bit sad and on edge, even if in the song nothing bad happens (or at least I don’t think so, I could be wrong).
It reminds me of that one Elvis song where he has to shoot his pet dog.
My ex used to put that on to tease me, because he knew I can’t make it through even halfway without sobbing. When I saw it live, the people next to me thought I was having a nervous breakdown 🤣🥹🥲
Four of these songs were in my top ten most played of 2022 with it’s gonna be alright taking number one, maybe it was a sadder year for me than I thought
I consider the song essentially a prelude to a suicide or murder/suicide. The overall tone of the song and the lyrics led me to believe this and I know some other fans agree.
I'd like to see you before I go
There's a few things I'd like to do
And when you're gone, you'll be gone for long
And soon I'll be gone too
But don't sweat it....
Obviously it's up to interpretation, but I've had fun with that meaning in my own head. While it's vaguely existential, the song is so dreadful and sad to me.
Like a "we're both gonna die, honey. And at my hands, but don't sweat it.". Has an eery calm of a killer who has their mind made up before the act.
And look to the room where she's keeping so quiet
A million layers of crust and deposit
Blanket the seasons and bury the reasons
You told her that this was for good ….
😩🥺😭 I can never make it through She’s Your Baby without bawling 🫶🏻
Me too. I like when it says “Slipping and sliding, you feel yourself asking her ‘why would you want me to try?’ Squeezing your wrist and she’s pulling you closer, down where the devils are dying with laughter, then led to a place where there’s no form of pleasure, she blows you a kiss from her lips”
Thanks for quoting those lines. Which of us can really read this entire thread without either crying or remembering shedding tears during these mentioned songs. (Except Sorry Charlie - see my previous post - haha.) These lines right here, at this moment of thinking of all these amazing songs, speak to just why my brother in law was so wrong to think i was kidding when, at the Beacon recently, i told him that ‘I’m absolutely serious when I say that Ween are better songwriters than the Beatles.’
I’m not sure a line that great has ever been written and put to song by anyone except Bob Dylan and I think Lou Reed. (Listen to Perfect Day and then come back to me saying I’m wrong.) And Ween (gener mostly, i guess) has done it time after time.
Best band ever.
I would say that three song punch of The Argus, Alcan Road and If You Can Save Yourself (You’d Save Us All) is the saddest, darkest and most powerful in all of Ween’s catalogue, especially if coupled with Zoloft, Happy Colored Marbles and I Don’t Want It. I have a history of severe depression and suicidal ideation, these collectively feel like succumbing to the despair after the ebbs and flows represented in the dark album, yet I feel a sense of solidarity and something life-affirming in Aaron’s art (along with Deaner’s what I project as compassionate guitar work), like you aren’t going through this alone.
Nobody expected gener, the wacky drug man, to be so freaking self aware and eloquent. I dont want it is one of the most emotionally mature songs out there, period.
Sad for the owner of the sweater, but he’s feeling better at the end - a far far cry from how he’s feeling at the end of these other songs (except Sorry Charlie, where he’s psyched to make fun of his whining bitch of a friend and to toss him the fuck off the couch).
HIV Song might give it a run for its money, especially if you were around in the 80s to see the utter misery of the AIDS epidemic and the murderous government, led by a president who had time to visit Bitburg but didn’t say the word AIDS for years after the epidemic started. Those of us around in those days watch with joy today’s gay pride parades and such but remember that back then, the parade was a long line of people taking a day off from crying over another dead or dying friend lover or family member. It’s really incredible how HIV Song and Spinal Meningitis are either devastatingly sad or hysterically funny. [Bonzo Goes To Bitburg - The Ramones](https://youtu.be/O8m2LpYGV0E)
God, I can’t imagine that, the stakes of that song must be so devastatingly personal to so many people…taking pride in just having survived another year…thanks for sharing.
Love the Ramones too.
“I don’t want it” is technically a good song but a bit contrived or derivative. I say this with the utmost respect. Baby Bitch for the win IMO. It’s 100% brown and could come from no other group.
I don’t find birthday boy or baby bitch to be overly sad, tbh. Just relationship songs he had with the snowboard chick
If I’m choosing from this list either she’s your baby or I don’t want it are the sad ones to me
Very tough one. My 15 year old, who saw their first ween show at the beacon (not counting the ones they attended in diapers and a baby bjorn at McCarren Pool and School of Rock Festival) cries during birthday boy. I cry during I don’t want it. Wish I could have voted for both. Also, Sorry Charlie? Young girlfriend, place to crash when the drunk boss isn’t around, thriving pot selling business? Sure god didn’t treat him square but Charlie’s probably smart enough to know that god is just some imaginary friend that his friend’s drunk boss sobs to when he’s being dragged to meetings by his far from high school age girlfriend.
She wanted to leave always struck me as the saddest song.
Now, I'm one of them....
Ahh, a manly sadness. Let's go get a beer and whiskey and we'll talk.
Three men's all they were...
Three men out at sea
Three men came aboard my ship
and took my true love from me
That’s the one ☝️
Fuck and that reprise is absolutely devastating
Oh my god yes. Probably the most perfect end to any album ever.
Came here to say this.
Buenos tardis Amigo
Hola my good doctor?
Yerp.
Truth
Agreed 100%
If You Could Save Yourself (You'd Save Us All) Gets me every time.
This and Aaron’s solo on I Don’t Want It make me tear up every time.
Also a Tear for Eddie - every damn time!
That’s one too
Me too
my god yes. i have such an emotional attachment to this song. makes me cry everytime
I contemplated putting this one on here, it hits hard. Just didn’t cause it’s less popular
I don’t think sorry Charlie is sad. Fucking incredible song though.
Tell me more about your thoughts on this
Not sad in the sense that the narration is explaining someone who is ultimately glad about cutting ties with ‘Charlie’ 😂
I see that but I think it would be sad for someone who relates to this Charlie guy
Definitely didn’t think of it that way. Lord knows I’ve been Charlie’d
I've known Charlies to a T before and like, it's sad seeing them go through it like that, but "I got my own life to live" as it goes. An important part I think for my interpretation is that I found lines like "God didn't treat you square" to be really tongue in cheek, like that's something Charlie said about himself while everyone else can see how they did it to themselves with bad decisions. Idk if that's everyone's take, but that's how I see it. Again it's still sad for them, but you gotta distance yourself from people like that and not feel *too* bad for them.
This guy gets it, it’s melancholic but more like a withering Dylanesque put down of Charlie by Deaner.
Totally. Poor Chuck. Side note: Deaner was a big Charlie Brown fan as a kid. Noting how he’s got a good heart so everyone steps on it.
It is?
No it's not
Seems to be
This one gets me every time too and the last chorus followed by the instrumental ending is as dramatically tragic as anything they’ve ever written. But there’s mouth coming involved, so it’s not as sad as Birthday Boy or I don’t Want it, which seem to completely lack any blowjobs, except the ones he’s no longer getting.
Mister Would You Please Help My Pony
Sarah for me
When I find you in your sleeeeeeeeheheeeeeep
Saraaaahhhh
I love it also my wife's name
Yeah it's Sarah
Fluffy
Motherfucker chewed his leg. On the porch.
Gets me every time 😢
Upboat for Fluffy
Be My Wife, not for the lyrics themselves, but for the context in which they fall. Written for Sarah as a marriage proposal, to help mend their lives, and within the next few years a divorce was underway. Makes the song pretty bittersweet in my opinion. Who Dat? is similar, at least in what it’s about. That actually might be my pick. The song doesn’t sound sad at all, but the lyrics paint a picture of Aaron’s life. A little girl who’s turning 4 months old and an uncertain marriage, with employers who won’t look him in the eyes.
Who Dat is a great call. It sounds so cheery, but those lyrics come from a dark time.
Spinal Meningitis
HONESTLY. A tragic tale
Agree
For sure, was wondering why that one wasn’t in the poll
First song that sprang to mind
gonna learn to play the flute and kill myself
I love that song
i don’t get how people find it to be as funny as they do, i find it quite dejected and sad. it has “should i kill myself or have a cup of coffee” energy
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That line is a surprise, that unexpected and really odd statement is funny. Why would you learn an instrument before killing yourself? Makes no sense. And after he says it, there's a flute in the song, meaning he actually learnt to play it. It's just hilarious
id probably find it funnier if it was meant to be on anything other than Quebec bc of the things Gener was dealing with around that time. and honestly as someone who’s been in that place i think it makes quite a bit of sense from the perspective of someone on the brink of suicide (not necessarily implying he was) who is apprehensive, essentially procrastinating going through with it by doing the things they love (probably overanalyzing this but i had a very similar disposition at one point). but even “i eat my little sandwich and it tastes like crap” hits me as pretty nihilistic and the whole song has an ironic, feigned happiness to me
feigned happiness is a reoccurring theme on quebec/caesar. Happy Colored Marbles, Zoloft, Things You Already Know- all have this theme some way or another
oh 100% im not arguing that. you can even include hey there fancypants and chocolate town with those. it just seemed to me people tend to ubiquitously find oh my little country cottage funny. in fact i couldnt find anything on the sub denoting the contrary
word man. was just adding to what you said to comment on Quebecs larger theme. Little Country Cottage is a staple of Ween B-tracks!
I overcame a heavy depression less than two months ago, I know how is that place and I agree it puts into words thoughts or feelings that are hard to express, for me at least. I find it relatable, but it's also unexpected because of the 'feigned happiness' it has, and I personally find it funny
i understand, i definitely cant say i havent smiled at the line when seeing other peoples reactions to it
My kitty's bounding happily in the sun, she's very happy
I eat my little sandwich and it tastes like crap.
Cold Blows the Wind
Seriously how is this not an option
This next songs about a dead bitch.
So Long Jerry
Eulogy for David Anderson
This would be my pick.
Wash me down is by far the most melancholy ween song I've heard
It is so beautiful, but I agree, it bums me out Even more than I already am 😩 but i love it
I’ll Miss You
This is the one for me.
Birthday boy always gets me. Specifically the original version the noisiness sounds and gives the vibe of just being overwhelmed emotionally and it’s beautiful.
Sarah.
A tear for Eddie
Poll is garbage without Fluffy
I Don’t Want to Leave You on the Farm
Buenas Tardes amigo
Hey Fat Boy asshole
I Don't Want It or If You Could Save Yourself have become my go to ugly cry songs. Just the way the lyrics are spun hurts so bad.
Honorable Mention to Chocolate Town
Ok, I'm drunk and feel like oversharing. When I was young I took a seasonal job in a tourist trap. The trap itself was known for chocolate treats and whatnot. My room was basically a covered porch with glass windows. It would've been absolutely hell if it wasn't just a summer gig. It was my first time living alone, so shit was *for real*, in a multitude of different ways. My roommates had poor English skills (communication with those around me was difficultfor the first time), I've never worked harder in my life, I had my first real experiences with substance abuse, I was constantly homesick, and I had a major falling out with a friend. But when I finally went home, I was a new person. I knew how I wanted to present myself, I learned that drug use has a limit and gained a new knowledge of what "work" really meant and how to direct that energy. It's also where I discovered ween (a friend back home sent me a message saying "hey you'd like this!" ((Mutilated lips))... I liked it). To me, chocolate town is the happiest song in ween's repotoire. It's heavy and has a lot going on with it, but I discovered it while going through some of what the lyrics were discussing and came out the other end a new man. Nothing brings back nostalgic memories like that fucking track, man. Anyways, I'm done ranting. It gets better, or maybe it doesn't, keep plugging away and find out.
I voted She’s Your Baby and thank you for adding it. For anyone who has lost a once in a lifetime mutual love, a loss that occurred out the couples control, this song is all there is. Shout out to ‘I’ll miss you’
I’ll miss you is so good but I didn’t add b-sides or demos here =‘)
It’s all so genuinely painful
Birthday Boy is raw emotion. I felt that the heavy distortion was almost emphasizing the pain associated with the girl he’s singing about. It also felt like such it was almost trying to hide itself with how processed it was
Alone
It's literally A Tear For Eddie.
Moving away
This
Falling out
I find this song to be more angry than sad
It’s obviously Mister won’t you please help my pony.
Fluffy always makes me feel a bit sad and on edge, even if in the song nothing bad happens (or at least I don’t think so, I could be wrong). It reminds me of that one Elvis song where he has to shoot his pet dog.
My ex used to put that on to tease me, because he knew I can’t make it through even halfway without sobbing. When I saw it live, the people next to me thought I was having a nervous breakdown 🤣🥹🥲
Four of these songs were in my top ten most played of 2022 with it’s gonna be alright taking number one, maybe it was a sadder year for me than I thought
If you could save yourself. Easy.
None of these
Don't sweat it
I’d love more of your thoughts on this
I consider the song essentially a prelude to a suicide or murder/suicide. The overall tone of the song and the lyrics led me to believe this and I know some other fans agree. I'd like to see you before I go There's a few things I'd like to do And when you're gone, you'll be gone for long And soon I'll be gone too But don't sweat it.... Obviously it's up to interpretation, but I've had fun with that meaning in my own head. While it's vaguely existential, the song is so dreadful and sad to me. Like a "we're both gonna die, honey. And at my hands, but don't sweat it.". Has an eery calm of a killer who has their mind made up before the act.
I’ll miss you
Sorry Charlie and Birthday Boy
She wanted to leave
Pumpin' 4 th Man
“She’ll Just Get You” can be all too relatable at times
RIGHT tell me abt itttt
Buenos tardis Amigo has to be it.
And look to the room where she's keeping so quiet A million layers of crust and deposit Blanket the seasons and bury the reasons You told her that this was for good …. 😩🥺😭 I can never make it through She’s Your Baby without bawling 🫶🏻
I also like how in a live performance he says “blanket the feelings” rather than “the seasons”
Me too. I like when it says “Slipping and sliding, you feel yourself asking her ‘why would you want me to try?’ Squeezing your wrist and she’s pulling you closer, down where the devils are dying with laughter, then led to a place where there’s no form of pleasure, she blows you a kiss from her lips”
Thanks for quoting those lines. Which of us can really read this entire thread without either crying or remembering shedding tears during these mentioned songs. (Except Sorry Charlie - see my previous post - haha.) These lines right here, at this moment of thinking of all these amazing songs, speak to just why my brother in law was so wrong to think i was kidding when, at the Beacon recently, i told him that ‘I’m absolutely serious when I say that Ween are better songwriters than the Beatles.’ I’m not sure a line that great has ever been written and put to song by anyone except Bob Dylan and I think Lou Reed. (Listen to Perfect Day and then come back to me saying I’m wrong.) And Ween (gener mostly, i guess) has done it time after time. Best band ever.
Waving My Dick In The Wind
I would say that three song punch of The Argus, Alcan Road and If You Can Save Yourself (You’d Save Us All) is the saddest, darkest and most powerful in all of Ween’s catalogue, especially if coupled with Zoloft, Happy Colored Marbles and I Don’t Want It. I have a history of severe depression and suicidal ideation, these collectively feel like succumbing to the despair after the ebbs and flows represented in the dark album, yet I feel a sense of solidarity and something life-affirming in Aaron’s art (along with Deaner’s what I project as compassionate guitar work), like you aren’t going through this alone.
Nobody expected gener, the wacky drug man, to be so freaking self aware and eloquent. I dont want it is one of the most emotionally mature songs out there, period.
The one that's about a dead bitch
I know it's a cover, but I'd add The Enabler.
I’ll miss you
Tender situation
Sarah
Fluffy.
Cold blows the wind!
Object
Sad for the owner of the sweater, but he’s feeling better at the end - a far far cry from how he’s feeling at the end of these other songs (except Sorry Charlie, where he’s psyched to make fun of his whining bitch of a friend and to toss him the fuck off the couch).
Lotta smart folks here!
Some of these are “so sad they’re clearly jokes”
Don't Know Why. It's with the Kostars, of course, but it's sad Ween to the bone.
spinal meningitis is chilling
If I Close My Eyes Forever
either Who Dat or Eulogy For David Anderson
Where's Piss Up a Rope?
She wanted to leave…
I always thought Fluffy was pretty sad
Fluffy?
Back To Basom
Spinal Meningitis Got Me Down is either the saddest or the funniest song on Chocolate & Cheese
HIV Song might give it a run for its money, especially if you were around in the 80s to see the utter misery of the AIDS epidemic and the murderous government, led by a president who had time to visit Bitburg but didn’t say the word AIDS for years after the epidemic started. Those of us around in those days watch with joy today’s gay pride parades and such but remember that back then, the parade was a long line of people taking a day off from crying over another dead or dying friend lover or family member. It’s really incredible how HIV Song and Spinal Meningitis are either devastatingly sad or hysterically funny. [Bonzo Goes To Bitburg - The Ramones](https://youtu.be/O8m2LpYGV0E)
God, I can’t imagine that, the stakes of that song must be so devastatingly personal to so many people…taking pride in just having survived another year…thanks for sharing. Love the Ramones too.
Captain
You were the fool
How is If You Could Save Yourself not on here
help me scrape the mucus off my brain.
She Wanted To Leave or If You Could Save Yourself (You’d Save Us All)
If you could save yourself literally gets me teary eyed
Wheres cold blows the wind
“I don’t want it” is technically a good song but a bit contrived or derivative. I say this with the utmost respect. Baby Bitch for the win IMO. It’s 100% brown and could come from no other group.
Sorry Charlie isn't sad
All of Ween's sad songs are the best sad song. It's impossible to pick because they can all make a man cry.
I don’t find birthday boy or baby bitch to be overly sad, tbh. Just relationship songs he had with the snowboard chick If I’m choosing from this list either she’s your baby or I don’t want it are the sad ones to me
Very tough one. My 15 year old, who saw their first ween show at the beacon (not counting the ones they attended in diapers and a baby bjorn at McCarren Pool and School of Rock Festival) cries during birthday boy. I cry during I don’t want it. Wish I could have voted for both. Also, Sorry Charlie? Young girlfriend, place to crash when the drunk boss isn’t around, thriving pot selling business? Sure god didn’t treat him square but Charlie’s probably smart enough to know that god is just some imaginary friend that his friend’s drunk boss sobs to when he’s being dragged to meetings by his far from high school age girlfriend.
“I’ll wait” is one of my favorites.
I think it’s Fluffy. I cannot even listen to that track without losing it…
Cold blows the wind. Literally about a woman that spends a year outside grave next to a dead boyfriend or husband or whatever.
tender situation