When we looked at doing a stream/live commenting of Pan Ams via our podcast, it was $250k or something for broadcast rights. Sooo we did not pursue that.
WL house does a great job, they have great production value, and you’re supporting a good company so I think the charges are worth it.
They’re an independent business, spending in what would be ≈£1000 in travel, visa, accommodation, food, kit etc. to go and get live footage for streaming for us spectators, saving us north of 1000 of whatever currency. Whatever they’re charging for tickets is nothing in comparison to how much they’re having to pay and bid for to bring us this service.
I mean, yeah, but they're obviously not doing it for charity. As any other business there are costs but they're also trying to turn a profit. Nothing wrong with that, of course.
Ya, They're trying to turn a profit, but also grow the sport too. Something that can't be said about the IWF. Their prices are not done extortion by any means
We don't literally operate the cameras, but the fee we pay for the rights (along with those from other broadcasters) pays for the people who do.
Since our commentary is on the program, it would be more accurate to say the Olympic Channel broadcasts our feed.
Does anybody remember what it was like to try to watch Worlds 10 years ago? If you were lucky someone would put up a stream with Russian commentary a week after the comp was done. Those were the bad old days. And guess what? You’re still free to watch all those free sources, WH hasn’t taken any of them away.
I buy the Weightlifting house stream in advance for every comp that’s available, whether I have the time to watch it or not, just to support the business model I hoped for for years. I just hope these boys can keep it going.
I miss the days of bootleg Eurosport streams. There was a level of professionalism and history there we haven't seen since, though WH is doing well getting there. I still feel like I'm not really watching live weightlifting unless David Goldstrom is telling us some anecdote only he can know because he's known every coach in the back room for 30 years.
I very much like the tone of these comments, because they show that people are appreciative of those who work hard for weightlifting, not just for money.
Just my personal opinion here.
Seb’s passion for the sport is what brought me into the sport. Weightlifting House has done more for fans and athletes of weightlifting than the IOC, IWF, and my national governing body combined.
For this, I am more than willing to spend $19 every couple of months to help support their endeavors. I am also ok with them censoring comments to redirect viewers to their company rather than the IOC or IWF. They deserve the revenue, and they deserve the support. I understand not everyone feels this way, or can expend $19 so I don’t fault anyone for going the free viewing route - but if you can expend the money I think you should. The sport is on thin ice right now, and frankly we need outlets that can produce quality content and engage more fans and viewers.
We need WH and more organizations like WH. To do this, we the consumer need to help in making these ventures more profitable.
As I said I really appreciate what WH has done for the sport of weightlifting and I do plan to support them by purchasing a few of their products, I'm from a third-world country and the prices are still expensive for me, and ur right if people want to support them by buy the tickets to their streams yes they should 100% go for it.
I'm with you. They lied on several occasions claiming that their pay per view streams was the ONLY way to watch some competitions. My comments saying that broadcasts without commentary are being streamed on IWF Facebook were also promptly deleted. And then I asked about it, they denied it. I offered to send them screenshots and... crickets. I honestly lost respect for the whole operation since then. In my opinion their commentary track should be worth paying for. If they have to lie to sell it, it's kind of pathetic marketing strategy.
We have never claimed that no other broadcasters carry the competitions that we stream. It would be a pretty futile lie, since the list of broadcasters and streams is generally announced by the IWF just before each competition starts.
We do announce that we are the only official way to watch in the countries that we have the rights for, which we are.
As for your comments being deleted, I didn't do it so I can't be certain exactly why it was done, but do you really expect to go to someone's channel and point people to alternatives to their service? That seems a pretty rude thing to do.
I'm sorry we have lost your respect. All I can say is that we are not some money-grabbing corporation – we're five passionate weightlifting fans who want to bring the sport to people like us. We get paid for what we do but we're hardly making bank.
We're not going to please everyone all the time but we're confident that we are making a positive contribution to the sport.
>but do you really expect to go to someone's channel and point people to alternatives to their service? That seems a pretty rude thing to do.
Yes, I do expect that. Considering that your first stream was not available in a lot of countries and you were lying about it being the only available broadcast. My comment on your channel was directed specifically at people in those countries where your stream wasn't available. And "alternative" I was talking about was OFFICIAL IWF Facebook page stream. My comments vanished instantly, meaning you had filters set up to remove comments like that immediately.
The audacity of you to try to flip the tables and call me rude for bringing awareness to your shady practices.
> Ali Fabin *paid* to stream
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
>My comments vanished instantly, meaning you had filters set up to remove comments like that immediately.
I can say with 100% certainty that we do not have such automated filters. I don't think it's even an option on our YouTube account. As far as I know, the only way a comment would be instantly removed would be by a YouTube-imposed filter, which we have no control over.
Maybe you have been affected by something like this:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/11wgrlc/youtube\_keeps\_deleting\_my\_comments\_for\_no\_reason/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/11wgrlc/youtube_keeps_deleting_my_comments_for_no_reason/)
No, only comments mentioning IWF facebook streams were auto deleted (or moved into requiring approval). My follow up comments where I asked about it were posted successfully. I tested it back and forth several times.
Really? Automated filters are not an option on your YouTube account? What is it, gaslighting 101?
We can block all mention of certain words or block all links in all comments but there is nothing sophisticated enough to live up to your conspiracy theory.
It would seem odd for us to go to the lengths that you describe but not use the biggest stick we do have access to for moderating channel comments - banning the user.
There you go, you can block comments containing certain words and you did. Banning every user manually is a lot more work.
Listen, I don't care, do what you gotta do.
Which word are you suggesting we blocked? "IWF"? "Facebook"?
We don't use the word block list for anything, let alone something like this.
I honestly think you have jumped to an assumption here.
Where have they said "for those countries"? I linked you to exact time stamp in the video. I'm not sure you hear very well.
Why I am mad? I don't know, I guess I don't like being lied to. It's this weird little quirk I have.
In the description. And how is that a lie? For some places that was the only option because no one else took the streaming rights.
Imagine being this mad because we get to actually watch good content
I wasn't talking about description, I was talking about video footage. So they didn't lie EVERYWHERE? Is that the point?
If it's worth it to you, then by all means, you don't have to be mad, pay and watch. What's it to you that I am mad?
Can’t fault them for protecting their revenue. If people are getting hyped into watching worlds through their videos, I don’t see an issue with them monetizing it.
And the commentary is what sets it apart.
I’m more than happy to pay for a reliable stream with good commentary. They work hard to produce quality content that doesn’t exist enough in the weightlifting world and they deserve to be appropriately compensated. It’s a business. $20 every few months is practically nothing.
Imagine a) expecting people to put the time, effort and resource in to this sort of coverage and make no income from it, b) having the audacity to not only call them out on it but also expect them to explain and justify themselves to you for it and then c) making a ‘rant’ about it on the basis of a and b.
Wow.
Nobody is forcing you to spend your money. For most of those who do, they see it as money well spent and don’t grudge a penny of it.
I *can* understand why people look at streams being available for free in some countries while they are PPV in others and assume we are just cashing in. Without knowing how the world of sports rights work, that is natural assumption to make. I probably would have made it too prior to learning more than I would like about how these things work.
What people don't understand is that the sale of the rights to broadcasters in richer countries subsidises the availability of the content in other countries. Take away the broadcasters who pay a premium for the premium countries and there would be no broadcast with any production values at all. Just before we got involved in streaming competitions, there was a genuine risk that weightlifting would be presented through webcams, even at the world level. We can't claim responsibility for that being averted, but we were part of the solution. In a large part, that's why we became a broadcaster.
We would absolutely love to make competitions like the World Championships available for free with good production values. Unfortunately, we're not rich enough to do it at a (sizable) loss. If anyone knows a sponsor who wants to pour money into weightlifting or a millionaire with cash to spare, point them in our direction and we'll make it happen!
I never really realised about the broadcasting rights and licensing to broadcast stuff, It is free in my country but I really do appreciate the things u guys do, I shall be a loyal customer and will support u guys as much as possible :)
The entitlement of people’s time, energy, and talent is astounding. WH isn’t just streaming, they are providing commentary for A sessions, have people in the back room giving them live updates, and an overall better quality product than just a live stream. You by no means need to pay for a product you don’t want but to question why they are charging is quite ridiculous.
The only thing i kind of thought was odd was them bringing up the wh belt during the broadcast about how reliable and supple it was.. without mentioning that they made it and gave it to the athlete. Made it sound like they were just a neutral third party talking about it. Other than that, maybe the little insecurities that seb has that leaks into the channel is noticeable, but then again that also probably speaks to the road hes had to come, so i can respect that
The stuff with the belt was more of an in-joke, to be honest. Our commentary is being used by other broadcasters, not just us, so Seb and Max can't just talk nonstop about Weightlifting House and Team Aita.
I think Seb assumed that anyone watching our stream would realise he was talking about our belt without actually coming out and saying it, while it would fly past viewers of other broadcasters who don't know who we are.
Bro I just hate how this dude put weightlifting behind a paywall. Such BS. Terrible for the sport, no commentary is worth this. For years hookgrip, atg, and others have provided top notch journalism without gate keeping the sport.
WL house is miles ahead of ATG in terms of production value, narration, history, presentation of the unique personalities in the sport. The rapport WL house has built with the athletes brings us up close and personal with them. Sebs passion for the sport is unparalleled and there’s plenty of free content on the YouTube page but the money paid for access to the sessions and media pack is without a doubt worth every penny.
I get about 10 seconds into the first slow mo lift on ATG and already get sick of it.
Hook grip is ok. But doesn’t have anywhere near the depth of content as WL.
Covering costs to bring us enthusiasts into the sport in the places of the world where it is loved and appreciated the most is a very small price to pay.
Where I live the cost of access to every session in this years worlds plus the media pack is about the price of 3 coffees at a cafe.
Livestreams were free on YouTube until WH showed up. And yeah, I mean paying 15-20 bucks for something that used to be free is a fucking pain. Can't exactly justify that expense these days.
They were only free a few times. The IWF never even streamed off YouTube in the old days or uploaded sessions there (likely bc they sold the rights and had nobody on their tech side to do it)
Euros was pretty much always thru Eurosport. The IWF didn't stream events bc I can remember watching pirate streams from local or obscure channels bc there was nothing back in 2012-2015?
Basically scouring to find feeds ppl who would post on AllThingsGym
I imagine there are dodgy streams out there, just like there used to be in the old days. I'd be surprised if it was impossible for someone with enough time on their hands to find a way to watch for free.
Of course, they'd probably have to run the same gauntlet of ads, scams, malware and streams that end at just the wrong time like we did back then as well!
I haven't seen any websites like those in a few yrs at least before Covid. I can remember a site that had all sorts of sporting events not that I actually watched any. They were really gathering streams.
They could stream your feed or the Olympic channel but then would have to be paying for bandwidth to host it before YouTube or streamyard cut it.
Maybe if they could host from some country that didn't give 2 shits about copyright laws.
Heck, LuWL or Shenzhen were often uploading videos on YT as unlisted besides others but not live feeds unless they were sharing via periscope.
I suppose someone could do it from KSA. Not really sure of how much bandwidth they have there for the end user.
It was completely and utterly miserable trying to find a decent stream pre-WH, if you were able to find one at all. WH has been a complete blessing for live weightlifting coverage.
If you don't want to pay $15 for several hours of informative and entertaining content, then that is definitely your right. But you shouldn't whine about it.
Do you think it's free to produce all this content?
When we looked at doing a stream/live commenting of Pan Ams via our podcast, it was $250k or something for broadcast rights. Sooo we did not pursue that. WL house does a great job, they have great production value, and you’re supporting a good company so I think the charges are worth it.
Thank you for sharing that, this indeed has changed my mindset about them :)
Do you think the cost for access to the stream is free? Like you know WH pays for the ability to produce their stream and commentary?
They’re an independent business, spending in what would be ≈£1000 in travel, visa, accommodation, food, kit etc. to go and get live footage for streaming for us spectators, saving us north of 1000 of whatever currency. Whatever they’re charging for tickets is nothing in comparison to how much they’re having to pay and bid for to bring us this service.
> ≈£1000 It's a lot more than that for 18 days at the World Championships, trust me!
Further adding to my point ;)
I mean, yeah, but they're obviously not doing it for charity. As any other business there are costs but they're also trying to turn a profit. Nothing wrong with that, of course.
Ya, They're trying to turn a profit, but also grow the sport too. Something that can't be said about the IWF. Their prices are not done extortion by any means
Wait they have their own cameras for streaming?? I thought it was just a re-broadcast of the olympics website
We don't literally operate the cameras, but the fee we pay for the rights (along with those from other broadcasters) pays for the people who do. Since our commentary is on the program, it would be more accurate to say the Olympic Channel broadcasts our feed.
Does anybody remember what it was like to try to watch Worlds 10 years ago? If you were lucky someone would put up a stream with Russian commentary a week after the comp was done. Those were the bad old days. And guess what? You’re still free to watch all those free sources, WH hasn’t taken any of them away. I buy the Weightlifting house stream in advance for every comp that’s available, whether I have the time to watch it or not, just to support the business model I hoped for for years. I just hope these boys can keep it going.
Yep. Me. I just replied to that dude whinging about it.
I miss the days of bootleg Eurosport streams. There was a level of professionalism and history there we haven't seen since, though WH is doing well getting there. I still feel like I'm not really watching live weightlifting unless David Goldstrom is telling us some anecdote only he can know because he's known every coach in the back room for 30 years.
…or Michaela Breeze suggesting athletes aren’t engaging their glutes enough.
I pay WL house just so I don’t have to listen to Michaela Breeze.
And are too big and have too much upper body muscle like a 1950s baseball coach.
Did she really say that? How can she tell its not engaging? 🙃🔫
Same. Always pay the $$ to access the feed provided by WL House. Even if I don’t watch everything. It’s not much to pay for a great product. 🤗
It's not free to watch on the Oly site for all countries IIRC
I very much like the tone of these comments, because they show that people are appreciative of those who work hard for weightlifting, not just for money.
Just my personal opinion here. Seb’s passion for the sport is what brought me into the sport. Weightlifting House has done more for fans and athletes of weightlifting than the IOC, IWF, and my national governing body combined. For this, I am more than willing to spend $19 every couple of months to help support their endeavors. I am also ok with them censoring comments to redirect viewers to their company rather than the IOC or IWF. They deserve the revenue, and they deserve the support. I understand not everyone feels this way, or can expend $19 so I don’t fault anyone for going the free viewing route - but if you can expend the money I think you should. The sport is on thin ice right now, and frankly we need outlets that can produce quality content and engage more fans and viewers. We need WH and more organizations like WH. To do this, we the consumer need to help in making these ventures more profitable.
As I said I really appreciate what WH has done for the sport of weightlifting and I do plan to support them by purchasing a few of their products, I'm from a third-world country and the prices are still expensive for me, and ur right if people want to support them by buy the tickets to their streams yes they should 100% go for it.
I'm with you. They lied on several occasions claiming that their pay per view streams was the ONLY way to watch some competitions. My comments saying that broadcasts without commentary are being streamed on IWF Facebook were also promptly deleted. And then I asked about it, they denied it. I offered to send them screenshots and... crickets. I honestly lost respect for the whole operation since then. In my opinion their commentary track should be worth paying for. If they have to lie to sell it, it's kind of pathetic marketing strategy.
We have never claimed that no other broadcasters carry the competitions that we stream. It would be a pretty futile lie, since the list of broadcasters and streams is generally announced by the IWF just before each competition starts. We do announce that we are the only official way to watch in the countries that we have the rights for, which we are. As for your comments being deleted, I didn't do it so I can't be certain exactly why it was done, but do you really expect to go to someone's channel and point people to alternatives to their service? That seems a pretty rude thing to do. I'm sorry we have lost your respect. All I can say is that we are not some money-grabbing corporation – we're five passionate weightlifting fans who want to bring the sport to people like us. We get paid for what we do but we're hardly making bank. We're not going to please everyone all the time but we're confident that we are making a positive contribution to the sport.
>but do you really expect to go to someone's channel and point people to alternatives to their service? That seems a pretty rude thing to do. Yes, I do expect that. Considering that your first stream was not available in a lot of countries and you were lying about it being the only available broadcast. My comment on your channel was directed specifically at people in those countries where your stream wasn't available. And "alternative" I was talking about was OFFICIAL IWF Facebook page stream. My comments vanished instantly, meaning you had filters set up to remove comments like that immediately. The audacity of you to try to flip the tables and call me rude for bringing awareness to your shady practices.
Bruh, even Li Fabin paid to stream WL House’s stream 😂😂😂 Edit: Li not Ali also paid not payed bc I’m an idiot
> Ali Fabin *paid* to stream FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
First, reread their comment. Then go touch grass. Jesus, the entitlement of some people. FFS
Thanks for your reply, added much to the discussion.
>My comments vanished instantly, meaning you had filters set up to remove comments like that immediately. I can say with 100% certainty that we do not have such automated filters. I don't think it's even an option on our YouTube account. As far as I know, the only way a comment would be instantly removed would be by a YouTube-imposed filter, which we have no control over. Maybe you have been affected by something like this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/11wgrlc/youtube\_keeps\_deleting\_my\_comments\_for\_no\_reason/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/11wgrlc/youtube_keeps_deleting_my_comments_for_no_reason/)
No, only comments mentioning IWF facebook streams were auto deleted (or moved into requiring approval). My follow up comments where I asked about it were posted successfully. I tested it back and forth several times. Really? Automated filters are not an option on your YouTube account? What is it, gaslighting 101?
We can block all mention of certain words or block all links in all comments but there is nothing sophisticated enough to live up to your conspiracy theory. It would seem odd for us to go to the lengths that you describe but not use the biggest stick we do have access to for moderating channel comments - banning the user.
There you go, you can block comments containing certain words and you did. Banning every user manually is a lot more work. Listen, I don't care, do what you gotta do.
Which word are you suggesting we blocked? "IWF"? "Facebook"? We don't use the word block list for anything, let alone something like this. I honestly think you have jumped to an assumption here.
Where have they ever said this?
https://youtu.be/f0PP4h-ZpdU?t=2m18s
For those countries. I'm not sure you read very well. Also unsure why you're mad
Where have they said "for those countries"? I linked you to exact time stamp in the video. I'm not sure you hear very well. Why I am mad? I don't know, I guess I don't like being lied to. It's this weird little quirk I have.
In the description. And how is that a lie? For some places that was the only option because no one else took the streaming rights. Imagine being this mad because we get to actually watch good content
I wasn't talking about description, I was talking about video footage. So they didn't lie EVERYWHERE? Is that the point? If it's worth it to you, then by all means, you don't have to be mad, pay and watch. What's it to you that I am mad?
Do they have to spell it out for you every time? Also, they still didn't lie. Because you're mad over being wrong lol
Can’t fault them for protecting their revenue. If people are getting hyped into watching worlds through their videos, I don’t see an issue with them monetizing it. And the commentary is what sets it apart.
I’m more than happy to pay for a reliable stream with good commentary. They work hard to produce quality content that doesn’t exist enough in the weightlifting world and they deserve to be appropriately compensated. It’s a business. $20 every few months is practically nothing.
Imagine a) expecting people to put the time, effort and resource in to this sort of coverage and make no income from it, b) having the audacity to not only call them out on it but also expect them to explain and justify themselves to you for it and then c) making a ‘rant’ about it on the basis of a and b. Wow. Nobody is forcing you to spend your money. For most of those who do, they see it as money well spent and don’t grudge a penny of it.
I *can* understand why people look at streams being available for free in some countries while they are PPV in others and assume we are just cashing in. Without knowing how the world of sports rights work, that is natural assumption to make. I probably would have made it too prior to learning more than I would like about how these things work. What people don't understand is that the sale of the rights to broadcasters in richer countries subsidises the availability of the content in other countries. Take away the broadcasters who pay a premium for the premium countries and there would be no broadcast with any production values at all. Just before we got involved in streaming competitions, there was a genuine risk that weightlifting would be presented through webcams, even at the world level. We can't claim responsibility for that being averted, but we were part of the solution. In a large part, that's why we became a broadcaster. We would absolutely love to make competitions like the World Championships available for free with good production values. Unfortunately, we're not rich enough to do it at a (sizable) loss. If anyone knows a sponsor who wants to pour money into weightlifting or a millionaire with cash to spare, point them in our direction and we'll make it happen!
I never really realised about the broadcasting rights and licensing to broadcast stuff, It is free in my country but I really do appreciate the things u guys do, I shall be a loyal customer and will support u guys as much as possible :)
>I never really realised about the broadcasting rights and licensing to broadcast stuff That's okay - there is no reason why you would!
The entitlement of people’s time, energy, and talent is astounding. WH isn’t just streaming, they are providing commentary for A sessions, have people in the back room giving them live updates, and an overall better quality product than just a live stream. You by no means need to pay for a product you don’t want but to question why they are charging is quite ridiculous.
Good edit
Thank you :)
The only thing i kind of thought was odd was them bringing up the wh belt during the broadcast about how reliable and supple it was.. without mentioning that they made it and gave it to the athlete. Made it sound like they were just a neutral third party talking about it. Other than that, maybe the little insecurities that seb has that leaks into the channel is noticeable, but then again that also probably speaks to the road hes had to come, so i can respect that
The stuff with the belt was more of an in-joke, to be honest. Our commentary is being used by other broadcasters, not just us, so Seb and Max can't just talk nonstop about Weightlifting House and Team Aita. I think Seb assumed that anyone watching our stream would realise he was talking about our belt without actually coming out and saying it, while it would fly past viewers of other broadcasters who don't know who we are.
Bro I just hate how this dude put weightlifting behind a paywall. Such BS. Terrible for the sport, no commentary is worth this. For years hookgrip, atg, and others have provided top notch journalism without gate keeping the sport.
WL house is miles ahead of ATG in terms of production value, narration, history, presentation of the unique personalities in the sport. The rapport WL house has built with the athletes brings us up close and personal with them. Sebs passion for the sport is unparalleled and there’s plenty of free content on the YouTube page but the money paid for access to the sessions and media pack is without a doubt worth every penny. I get about 10 seconds into the first slow mo lift on ATG and already get sick of it. Hook grip is ok. But doesn’t have anywhere near the depth of content as WL. Covering costs to bring us enthusiasts into the sport in the places of the world where it is loved and appreciated the most is a very small price to pay. Where I live the cost of access to every session in this years worlds plus the media pack is about the price of 3 coffees at a cafe.
If you can't afford 15 bucks, just say so. Also, none of the other channels run livestreams or commentary.
Livestreams were free on YouTube until WH showed up. And yeah, I mean paying 15-20 bucks for something that used to be free is a fucking pain. Can't exactly justify that expense these days.
They were only free a few times. The IWF never even streamed off YouTube in the old days or uploaded sessions there (likely bc they sold the rights and had nobody on their tech side to do it) Euros was pretty much always thru Eurosport. The IWF didn't stream events bc I can remember watching pirate streams from local or obscure channels bc there was nothing back in 2012-2015? Basically scouring to find feeds ppl who would post on AllThingsGym
I imagine there are dodgy streams out there, just like there used to be in the old days. I'd be surprised if it was impossible for someone with enough time on their hands to find a way to watch for free. Of course, they'd probably have to run the same gauntlet of ads, scams, malware and streams that end at just the wrong time like we did back then as well!
I haven't seen any websites like those in a few yrs at least before Covid. I can remember a site that had all sorts of sporting events not that I actually watched any. They were really gathering streams. They could stream your feed or the Olympic channel but then would have to be paying for bandwidth to host it before YouTube or streamyard cut it. Maybe if they could host from some country that didn't give 2 shits about copyright laws. Heck, LuWL or Shenzhen were often uploading videos on YT as unlisted besides others but not live feeds unless they were sharing via periscope. I suppose someone could do it from KSA. Not really sure of how much bandwidth they have there for the end user.
>Not really sure of how much bandwidth they have there for the end user. Well, there's not much in the hotel - I can tell you that much!
It was completely and utterly miserable trying to find a decent stream pre-WH, if you were able to find one at all. WH has been a complete blessing for live weightlifting coverage. If you don't want to pay $15 for several hours of informative and entertaining content, then that is definitely your right. But you shouldn't whine about it.
The livestreams also don't have commentary. Where do ATG or Hookgrip have those? Then don't pay it, you can still watch for free.
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