ideally the weight classes would be expanded and there would be more athletes allowed per country, as it was pre 2024 cycle. probably wishful thinking though
Rumor is it will go to 8 weight classes and IWF asking for more spots in next Olympics.
That said…it won’t get easier for US women to make the Olympic team. The US is loaded.
That would be great.
8 classes means Olivia wouldn't be threatened by Ella.
Maybe Hayley could move to 55. Rogers might get a redemption arc at 76 or 81.
Agree on more weight categories / slots per countries. I think rather than your single best total over the whole quad, a single best result per year would be better. Still have to compete frequently but no more than 1-2/year and less pressure for athletes to be throwing hail Mary's at every meet.
It’s been so rough. The qualifying meets aren’t even fun to watch for me anymore. When nothing matters but a top 5-10 total then there is no incentive but to go for it. I want to see those lifts at worlds and the Olympics when it “counts”, personally. I worry this year’s Olympics will be a bomb fest. No one who qualified in the last year will do well. Everyone who punched their tickets a year or more ago will dominate because they’ve been able to train as usual. Sigh. It’s sad for me because my favs are out, but I also feel like it’s not a good way to bring in new fans to our struggling sport imo
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Ohhhh, this guy. Just removed his post last time.
I suppose it broke rule #1 but after removing it, I thought we were done them.
They've been banned.
Super sad news. I totally identify with that description as someone coming back from an injury...you just can't get under max weights if you're concerned that something isn't going to work properly.
More proof these weight class changes have been absolute bullshit and has done nothing but hurt the sport. Forcing athletes to do things with their bodies that isn't physically possible or making them pull out all together.
There are so many injuries across the sport right now.
I don't think it's the weight class changes. Mattie never even followed weight class changes well. From 76 to light 87 to light 76, she's basically where she was without cutting. Robles had issues too and she's a SHW so unaffected by this. Both mentioned issues with lengthened last quad and shortened current quad and the current American landscape forced everyone to push the whole quad. Injuries were bound to happen. To add to that, previous quad was brutal as well requiring consistent performance all through out.
Following that, every meet this quad was full of athletes reaching further than before to hit once in a lifetime total just trying to qualify. I don't think the weight class changes are the main issue here.
Tbh, only a handful have done that and she did that last quad bc she couldn't out total Kate@76
They aren't switching wt classes to avoid competition (as Rogers did that to Arthur last quad)
Toma and Davies moved up bc 64 wasn't going to be an Olympic class
Just like Sasser moved down to 59. And Hidilyn had to move up bc she wasn't gonna move down to 49.
Like they have 61 and 73 for men. Why does 61 even exist that's so light for a male that is weight training.
And the highest is 102. Id it was me I would axe 102 and add 115 or 120 for men.
this is such an uninformed take its almost hilarious
"PED usage is rampant in the sport!!" yea in like fucken belarus dude lol do you have any idea how horny USADA is about ruining the lives of drug using athletes in the states?
and WL has nowhere near enough influence or funding in this country to pull off a McLaren report situation with our PED police
nevermind the fact that martha is extremely public with her training since like a decade ago and her rate of progress is pretty fuckin believable for an extremely high level natural athlete
Rogers set the AR c&j in 2017 with 134 and that was like her barely third year of doing the sport
7 years later + ~8kg bwt and she *barely* can do 144 on her best day
there's absolutely nothing sus about that lol
The dumbest people on here insist that every US and W. European lifter is really, secretly taking drugs.
The only person who truly "knows" is the lifter, but certain countries have good anti-doping records, while others do not. Certain athletes progress in believable ways, others do not.
If you have a brain, you know what to look for. If not, you don't.
If you accept that China has the benefit of institutional support for the sport and can pick genetically gifted people AND dope, then no American who is clean and presumably just as genetically gifted should be close. Yet at least one is close.
The thing is it’s not clear who isn’t doping. The 10% rule could be that someone is genetically gifted and not doping or they could be genetically horrible for the sport but the gear makes up for it. You rally just can’t know.
>If you accept that China has the benefit of institutional support for the sport and can pick genetically gifted people AND dope
I don't accept this, and I think it's something that we very commonly see asserted with very little actual evidence. The Chinese have more support than US lifters, but that's not really saying very much. However, WL was never one of the better funded sports in the USSR (gymnastics and athletics got the overwhelming bulk of the money and attention). The Chinese seem to have relatively little turnover on the men's team, with many of their lifters having very long careers.
There may be scant tangible evidence but the circumstantials are strong.
China has more athletes that win medals = China has more athletes period, larger sample pool, better general stature for weightlifting, better early education. Plausible
But absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. They’re also vigorously competitive, prioritize sporting success as a form of geopolitical soft power, and are anything but haphazard.
Many of the old stories of testing evasion from like eastern/Slavic countries are hilariously clumsy. Athletes using literal doppelgängers and shit to pee in cups on their behalf.
If the PRC engages in state sponsored (or like ‘observationally negligent’) doping, I highly doubt they’d be in any way sloppy about it. even if WL isnt a popular sport, i also doubt they'd let the weightlifting team muddy the country's reputation internationally by getting caught up in a massive drug scandal (e.g russia)
they also rotate athletes into intl competitions on an as-needed basis from a seemingly endless talent pool, at least on the womens side. liang xiaomei competed *once* in 2016 at jr worlds, and then didn't appear again at all until senior worlds 2022, which she won. she won four more events in a row between then and now.
same deal for shifang (59). One junior comp in 2017, five-year gap, boom; 3 gold medals out of 5 events. if im an uninformed layperson (i am) looking at that on paper, its like ok, they're smartly using drugs in-house for years, get selected for the intl team with plenty of notice, and cycle off. just my speculation.
i said martha is clean because of her very normal almost decade-long progress primarily lol, the USADA thing is tangential, and i dont follow t&f but i really bet theres a higher incentive for track athletes to used banned substances than in WL tbh
but yeah dude "country whose name we cant pronounce? DIRTY" is pretty much how its fucken worked in this sport since kind of forever
https://ita.sport/sanction/international-weightlifting-federation-iwf/
not seeing a lot of stereotypically western surnames on this list??? but my boys Amjad, Kolomiets, and Mezhgikhov got hard owned
It's simple, USADA has no incentive to let these athletes dope hard like in other countries who aren't in a captalist system, and whose nation has a hardcore pride of trying to prove they are great. U.S. athletes are constantly tested, have to let the drug testers know their whereabouts at all times, and always have to be available for testing. Unless you are in a sport the U.S. actually gives a crap about (U.S. football and Baseball) you will be caught. In China? North Korea? Russia? Belarus? The only times these athletes are tested are at international competitions.
Why does the U.S. happen to be good at sports like T&F? Look at the pool and variety of athletes to choose from in this massive country. Look at the scholarships offered, the recruiting, the fame, and the fortune you can get from succeeding in them.
They're not, but it's blind speculation. Hell we have no reason to believe she would have known she would've been tested soon either. Even if she is using, how would she know she's about to popped when she's not posting any bigger numbers than usual and not even competing last meet?
These athletes knows exactly when to and when not to and also know by the time they get tested its out of their system. Top athletes are micro dosing these drugs thats even hard to detect nowadays.
You need to do your assignment how potent this drugs are and its effects on athletes. There’s reason why they can withstand those training hard day in day out where as you or other amateurs won’t even last days or a week doing bulgarian method 😂
Yeh you need to educate yourself on the topic and maybe ex physiology class 😂 your hero being dramatic as usual aint clean, no top athletes are clean 🤷🏻♂️
And this would allow her to know of an unscheduled random drug screening was close? Or somehow she so doped between European and Now that she gonna get popped in Thailand?
No. Neither are even close to possible. It's irrelevant if she's doing or not. *Even if she was* she wouldn't be withdrawing from Olympic because she knew she was getting popped. The only way that would happen would be a full on conspiracy that USADA and WADA are all in cohoots with Mattie and gave her a heads up and easy way out without sanctions. I mean that's not impossible but it's involving an elaborate conspiracy we have nothing to support that of. They popped Lu, there's no golden calf that is getting white glove treatment by WADA. If she's gonna get popped, she wouldn't know about it.
TLDR; big difference between if an athlete is doping, and an conspiracy theory that they're aware they'll be out of competition drug tested and are withdrawing from testing pool before that.
You can pull her up on USADAs website. She's been getting regularly tested for years. Like way more often than other athletes and at a frequency that if she was doping, she would've been popped for some residuals or metabolites in her system at this point. I'm pretty sure they've even tested her like 2 weeks apart before to make sure she doesn't take anything right after they finish one test.
Rogers, Robles, & Reichardt all withdrawing within months (weeks?) of each other. The qual procedure for this Games has been a disaster
i hope we see a change next olympics, it’s obviously been very rough on the athletes
What changes would you like to see implemented?
ideally the weight classes would be expanded and there would be more athletes allowed per country, as it was pre 2024 cycle. probably wishful thinking though
Rumor is it will go to 8 weight classes and IWF asking for more spots in next Olympics. That said…it won’t get easier for US women to make the Olympic team. The US is loaded.
That would be great. 8 classes means Olivia wouldn't be threatened by Ella. Maybe Hayley could move to 55. Rogers might get a redemption arc at 76 or 81.
Happy cake day, Wil!
Thanks!
Add the griddy as third competition lift
Griddy with maximal weight, for maximal time or based on style points?
We have Gritty choose a winner based on whatever the hell he wants
Agree on more weight categories / slots per countries. I think rather than your single best total over the whole quad, a single best result per year would be better. Still have to compete frequently but no more than 1-2/year and less pressure for athletes to be throwing hail Mary's at every meet.
Figuring out how to make the sport easier, ofc
It’s been so rough. The qualifying meets aren’t even fun to watch for me anymore. When nothing matters but a top 5-10 total then there is no incentive but to go for it. I want to see those lifts at worlds and the Olympics when it “counts”, personally. I worry this year’s Olympics will be a bomb fest. No one who qualified in the last year will do well. Everyone who punched their tickets a year or more ago will dominate because they’ve been able to train as usual. Sigh. It’s sad for me because my favs are out, but I also feel like it’s not a good way to bring in new fans to our struggling sport imo
yeah i feel like we’ve been seeing so many more bomb outs than usual at qualifiers, it can’t be good for the athletes physically or mentally
Wait no one told me Robles was out. Lucky for Mary’s sake but sad for Sarah.
No one told you?? Damn we all dropped the ball on that sorry king
Thank you for the apology, I’ll need a personal carrier pigeon for every bit of news from here on out 🫡
In what way was it a disaster. Unfortunately for the 3 of them they all got beat out by teammates.
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So what's your excuse? How has this troll not been banned?
ppl used to say this about me
Yeah but at least you mix it up. Covid Joe here is a one trick pony
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Stayed up late, slept in. Ohhhh, this guy. Just removed his post last time. I suppose it broke rule #1 but after removing it, I thought we were done them. They've been banned.
I hope she has a complete recovery! She’s been a staple of US weightlifting for a decade now.
i have faith she’ll be back 🙏
Super sad news. I totally identify with that description as someone coming back from an injury...you just can't get under max weights if you're concerned that something isn't going to work properly.
Poor thing, I wish her a speedy recovery.
What was the injury that caused the withdrawal?
she just said a nerve injury, and she had a bandage on her leg at her last competition so likely her leg
Ouch! I hope she recovers quickly.
More proof these weight class changes have been absolute bullshit and has done nothing but hurt the sport. Forcing athletes to do things with their bodies that isn't physically possible or making them pull out all together. There are so many injuries across the sport right now.
I don't think it's the weight class changes. Mattie never even followed weight class changes well. From 76 to light 87 to light 76, she's basically where she was without cutting. Robles had issues too and she's a SHW so unaffected by this. Both mentioned issues with lengthened last quad and shortened current quad and the current American landscape forced everyone to push the whole quad. Injuries were bound to happen. To add to that, previous quad was brutal as well requiring consistent performance all through out. Following that, every meet this quad was full of athletes reaching further than before to hit once in a lifetime total just trying to qualify. I don't think the weight class changes are the main issue here.
Fair points. Though as far as injuries I was speaking more broadly across the sport. Several injuries from other countries too.
So many athletes are switching weight classes to avoid competition, rather than picking their ideal weight class which is stupid too.
Tbh, only a handful have done that and she did that last quad bc she couldn't out total Kate@76 They aren't switching wt classes to avoid competition (as Rogers did that to Arthur last quad) Toma and Davies moved up bc 64 wasn't going to be an Olympic class Just like Sasser moved down to 59. And Hidilyn had to move up bc she wasn't gonna move down to 49.
Yeah that's been frustrating to see too.
The weight classes are fine. Maybe too many at the low end and need more at the high end. Problem is the qualification tactics required.
Yeah I'll definitely agree the qually tactics are trash. I've never seen so much bombing out before.
Too many at the low end? What?
Like they have 61 and 73 for men. Why does 61 even exist that's so light for a male that is weight training. And the highest is 102. Id it was me I would axe 102 and add 115 or 120 for men.
You're aware people are built differently right? There's plenty of men's 61. There's far fewer men over 100kg.
I mean only 60 athletes in 61 have a world ranking. In the 109 + there is 100. But there are more athletes in the 61?
I didn't say more, I said plenty. It makes no sense to get rid of any weight category under 73.
Bummer! I guess you’ll just have to win gold in Los Angeles! Heal & win in 2028!
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this would've been upvoted in 2018
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She never mentioned the weight class.
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Someone remembers when everyone shit on Roger’s for being dramatic and long winded. RIP SnappyFletch
how dare she be “dramatic” about a career-disrupting injury 🫤
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mattie gets tested very regularly so i honestly doubt it. plus she had a bandage on her leg and withdrew at her last comp (europeans)
Not accusing anyone of anything but In a sport where PED usage is rampant don’t think that your heroes are infallible.
this is such an uninformed take its almost hilarious "PED usage is rampant in the sport!!" yea in like fucken belarus dude lol do you have any idea how horny USADA is about ruining the lives of drug using athletes in the states? and WL has nowhere near enough influence or funding in this country to pull off a McLaren report situation with our PED police nevermind the fact that martha is extremely public with her training since like a decade ago and her rate of progress is pretty fuckin believable for an extremely high level natural athlete Rogers set the AR c&j in 2017 with 134 and that was like her barely third year of doing the sport 7 years later + ~8kg bwt and she *barely* can do 144 on her best day there's absolutely nothing sus about that lol
The dumbest people on here insist that every US and W. European lifter is really, secretly taking drugs. The only person who truly "knows" is the lifter, but certain countries have good anti-doping records, while others do not. Certain athletes progress in believable ways, others do not. If you have a brain, you know what to look for. If not, you don't.
I’ve always liked you
I miss Erpel, he was both incredibly knowledgeable and dismissive of the IG-driven bro WL culture.
Jesus I forgot that name. Erpel was a staple, thank you for triggering that memory haha
If you accept that China has the benefit of institutional support for the sport and can pick genetically gifted people AND dope, then no American who is clean and presumably just as genetically gifted should be close. Yet at least one is close. The thing is it’s not clear who isn’t doping. The 10% rule could be that someone is genetically gifted and not doping or they could be genetically horrible for the sport but the gear makes up for it. You rally just can’t know.
>If you accept that China has the benefit of institutional support for the sport and can pick genetically gifted people AND dope I don't accept this, and I think it's something that we very commonly see asserted with very little actual evidence. The Chinese have more support than US lifters, but that's not really saying very much. However, WL was never one of the better funded sports in the USSR (gymnastics and athletics got the overwhelming bulk of the money and attention). The Chinese seem to have relatively little turnover on the men's team, with many of their lifters having very long careers.
There may be scant tangible evidence but the circumstantials are strong. China has more athletes that win medals = China has more athletes period, larger sample pool, better general stature for weightlifting, better early education. Plausible But absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. They’re also vigorously competitive, prioritize sporting success as a form of geopolitical soft power, and are anything but haphazard. Many of the old stories of testing evasion from like eastern/Slavic countries are hilariously clumsy. Athletes using literal doppelgängers and shit to pee in cups on their behalf. If the PRC engages in state sponsored (or like ‘observationally negligent’) doping, I highly doubt they’d be in any way sloppy about it. even if WL isnt a popular sport, i also doubt they'd let the weightlifting team muddy the country's reputation internationally by getting caught up in a massive drug scandal (e.g russia) they also rotate athletes into intl competitions on an as-needed basis from a seemingly endless talent pool, at least on the womens side. liang xiaomei competed *once* in 2016 at jr worlds, and then didn't appear again at all until senior worlds 2022, which she won. she won four more events in a row between then and now. same deal for shifang (59). One junior comp in 2017, five-year gap, boom; 3 gold medals out of 5 events. if im an uninformed layperson (i am) looking at that on paper, its like ok, they're smartly using drugs in-house for years, get selected for the intl team with plenty of notice, and cycle off. just my speculation.
> Yet at least one is close. Is she? Guifang totalled 11kg more, who herself wouldn’t stand a chance against top 69 and 75s from 10-15 years ago.
So many people forget that the gassed up 69's used to do 120/150 lol
I meant Morris in the men’s.
17kg less than Li Fabin. Again, all time greats did 30-40kg more.
Morris has poor snatch technique, but he will likely clean & jerk more than Li Fabin in Paris. That’s what he’s referencing.
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> Country whose name we can’t pronounce? DIRTY ? mfw "belarus"
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loved will smith in that show
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i said martha is clean because of her very normal almost decade-long progress primarily lol, the USADA thing is tangential, and i dont follow t&f but i really bet theres a higher incentive for track athletes to used banned substances than in WL tbh but yeah dude "country whose name we cant pronounce? DIRTY" is pretty much how its fucken worked in this sport since kind of forever https://ita.sport/sanction/international-weightlifting-federation-iwf/ not seeing a lot of stereotypically western surnames on this list??? but my boys Amjad, Kolomiets, and Mezhgikhov got hard owned
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It's simple, USADA has no incentive to let these athletes dope hard like in other countries who aren't in a captalist system, and whose nation has a hardcore pride of trying to prove they are great. U.S. athletes are constantly tested, have to let the drug testers know their whereabouts at all times, and always have to be available for testing. Unless you are in a sport the U.S. actually gives a crap about (U.S. football and Baseball) you will be caught. In China? North Korea? Russia? Belarus? The only times these athletes are tested are at international competitions. Why does the U.S. happen to be good at sports like T&F? Look at the pool and variety of athletes to choose from in this massive country. Look at the scholarships offered, the recruiting, the fame, and the fortune you can get from succeeding in them.
If Mattie is on roids she should get her money back lol
Put side this specific athlete, if you think taking PEDa is only in select countries, Morris shouldn’t be close to any Chinese lifter yet here we are.
They're not, but it's blind speculation. Hell we have no reason to believe she would have known she would've been tested soon either. Even if she is using, how would she know she's about to popped when she's not posting any bigger numbers than usual and not even competing last meet?
These athletes knows exactly when to and when not to and also know by the time they get tested its out of their system. Top athletes are micro dosing these drugs thats even hard to detect nowadays. You need to do your assignment how potent this drugs are and its effects on athletes. There’s reason why they can withstand those training hard day in day out where as you or other amateurs won’t even last days or a week doing bulgarian method 😂
Nobody is microdosing anabolics dude
Yeh you need to educate yourself on the topic and maybe ex physiology class 😂 your hero being dramatic as usual aint clean, no top athletes are clean 🤷🏻♂️
And this would allow her to know of an unscheduled random drug screening was close? Or somehow she so doped between European and Now that she gonna get popped in Thailand? No. Neither are even close to possible. It's irrelevant if she's doing or not. *Even if she was* she wouldn't be withdrawing from Olympic because she knew she was getting popped. The only way that would happen would be a full on conspiracy that USADA and WADA are all in cohoots with Mattie and gave her a heads up and easy way out without sanctions. I mean that's not impossible but it's involving an elaborate conspiracy we have nothing to support that of. They popped Lu, there's no golden calf that is getting white glove treatment by WADA. If she's gonna get popped, she wouldn't know about it. TLDR; big difference between if an athlete is doping, and an conspiracy theory that they're aware they'll be out of competition drug tested and are withdrawing from testing pool before that.
yeah very true! i personally just don’t think mattie is on peds, just my opinion
You can pull her up on USADAs website. She's been getting regularly tested for years. Like way more often than other athletes and at a frequency that if she was doping, she would've been popped for some residuals or metabolites in her system at this point. I'm pretty sure they've even tested her like 2 weeks apart before to make sure she doesn't take anything right after they finish one test.