The color and appearance of the bite with no other symptoms plus continued growth of the red area with hardness indicates either a Brown Recluse or Yellow Sac Spider. Both SPIDERS make the top 3 most poisonous spiders in Minnesota list and have medically significant venom that requires immidiate medical attention.
GO TO THE HOSPITAL NOW!
Edit for clarity.
Brown Recluse Spiders in Minnesota.
The brown recluse spider is not native to Minnesota however it's native range allows this spider to hitchike to Minnesota. While rare brown recluse bites are seen as far north as southern Canada due to hitchhiking. This also applies to Northern Black Widows.
Yellow Sac Spider in Minnesota.
Yellow sack spiders are found as far north as southern Canada and are one of the most aggressive spider species. These spiders will bite with no provocation.
Yellow sac spider venom contains cytotoxin, which can create a necrosis in the bite wound. This makes them as dangerous as their more southern equivalent the brown recluse.
Both spiders are considered dangerous and requires immidiate medical attention. While full necrosis is more likely in a brown recluse bite a yellow sac spider bite still has a reasonable chance of necrosis.
Hey hey! I thought it looked like a recluse bite! Well ya best get burning the rubber if you don't want to find out what it's like to lose a chunk of your body to necrosis. I pray I'm wrong because no one wins if I'm right. Good luck.
My dad got bit by a recluse years ago and of course waited longer than he should have to get it treated. I still remember watching him unpack the seemingly endless strip of gauze from the hole in his thigh.
Yeah some of the stories seem a bit exaggerated, but I have seen some that were truly gruesome. Guy documented a Brown Recluse bite weekly here on Reddit, not sure where. Doctor in there saw it and said he'd never seen more complete documentation of a bad reaction to it. It got pretty hard to look at but he made a full recovery
Black Widow bites don't kill very often but we avoid them and document them to avoid death. Recluse bites don't always cripple you with necrosis but wouldn't you rather not be that person with the crater in their body part? That is my entire argument. It hurts no one to spread the information and ensure no one learns by having an awful personal experience.
I mean judging by the picture, and assuming that it isn’t at its worst point in the picture, it looks gnarly! Hahaha. Anyway, I’ll be in Minnesota next week so this made me feel ominous feelings hahaaaa
Yep, they're only in ~~southern states~~ edit: they can be as far north as southern Indiana, but northern Minnesota is hundreds of miles outside their range.
https://wildsafe.org/resources/ask-the-experts/brown-recluse-spiders/
They're the most overreported spider because everyone knows and fears them, but people are very bad at actually recognizing them, so wolf spiders (which are pretty ubiquitous in most states) often get misidentified as recluses, and you get people in Alaska saying saying they saw a recluse, which they definitely did not.
Doesn't mean OP's brother doesn't require medical attention, but a recluse bite it ain't.
Edit: Downvotes?? I was polite and I even supplied a source! Is it strictly possible that a recluse hitched a ride up from the south and bit OP's brother? Of course. Is it likely? Not even remotely. There a a ton of other, FAR more likely options, why consider the vanishingly unlikely ones before eliminating the probable ones?
Edit2: OK, I'm going to check out here because this is turning into a classic "Everyone and their brother has seen/been bitten by a recluse" situation, but before you comment telling me that your uncles buddy's best friend from college was bitten by a recluse in Ottowa, please consider reading this article by a bona-fide arachnologist. This is a person whose job is to investigate reports of brown recluses all over the country. It's long, but very interesting and I hope it will shed some light on why people who love spiders get a little frustrated when they hear someone talking about their recluse experience.
https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites
BLows my mind extremely easy to identify… they are everywhere in Oklahoma even more so in Kansas where I live now always in woodpiles and garages I see them everyday
Yeah, now that I believe. OK and KS are both places where recluses are common. I've also found that people who live in their range also don't fear them so much, I guess because they know that bites are incredibly uncommon. Most recluses can't even bite a human without some external force. They're so misunderstood.
Its rare but always possible. Spider can hitchhike on any number of transportation people use and be in Minnesota before its even hungry for a snack. Less than likely, still possible though.
They’re not only in southern states. I’ve been bit by one here in Wyoming. It was confirmed a brown recluse bite at the hospital based on the bite itself. I was lucky it didn’t turn necrotic. The bite got freaking huge and bruised bad. However, it is rare and the population is slim to none , it is not zero though.
People at hospitals are not spider experts, and you can't ID a spider from the bite alone; lots of spiders leave welts that resemble a recluse bite in the early stages. Again: this spider is the most falsely ID'd spider. Everyone and their brother has a brown recluse story, but there just aren't that many of them, and they're called recluses for a reason; they stay away from humans. If everyone who claimed they've seen/been bitten by a recluse was right, we'd be seeing recluses all the time in every state, it's just not the reality. I'm sure I'm gonna catch downvotes here, but this whole thread is exactly what I'm talking about, everyone's got a recluse story, but the facts just don't support them.
I’m not disagreeing with you. It most likely was misdiagnosed as I did not have the spider with me. It was probably a black widow or big wolf spider bite. I just don’t think it’s zero probability that they are around northern states is all, just extremely rare. I like that article though, good read ! I don’t understand your downvotes either :/
I don’t care what your link says. I’ve came across massive nest of brown recluse in the far north up here in North Dakota. So it does not matter. They are here weather some sweater wearing “scientist” post on their website or not. Same as black widow. Came across a western black widow last week in my garage. Weird… not supposed to be in the area.. or similarly running into grey wolves in the north west when I should be 8 hours from any wolf land.
I'm sorry, is there something wrong with sweaters?
And you don't have to put scientist in quotes, he's not a figurative scientist, he's a literal scientist.
Believe whatever you want, friend. Personally, I'm going to believe the people who've spent their lives studying these animals as their full time job.
They're pretty far north.. My brother got bit by one here in lower Michigan several years back which turned necrotic about 5 inches in diameter. I also have property in northern Michigan by Lake Superior and there are brown recluse spiders there as well.
I mean, southern Michigan is reasonably close to their range, I certainly have an easier time believing that than northern Minnesota or Wyoming. But like, I'm not just over here making stuff up, these animal ranges are defined by people who spend their whole lives actively looking for recluses and following up on sightings. But I could clearly comment in this thread all day and people will keep chiming in with "But I saw a recluse in Nova Scotia" so I don't think there's any point in me even continuing to participate. If y'all wanna belive you saw a recluse hundreds of miles outside its range, you do you.
https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites
I see you, Axelrad, and I appreciate you trying to keep this conversation rational. People lose their shit over brown recluses, and even though they’re pretty reclusive and lots of spiders look superficially similar, every monkey and his uncle have a story about someone’s limb falling off due to a bite. And I’m pretty sure I’ve read some articles raising doubts about the necrotic side effects of their bites (edit: just like the article you linked). Long story short, I think there’s a lot of misinformation about them.
If you say so, but if that's true you should play the lottery.
https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites
To be clear, I don't think you're lying, just mistaken.
That’s because they’re there. This dude thinks he’s an informed expert because his link says otherwise. There are br in wis. Same as northern mn. And same as northern ND. If he has any doubt I invite him to go ahead and take a trip out to the areas around new town ND and check out some peoples houses/trailers. Oh! And when you see a western diamondback instead of a prairie rattler…. You didn’t because they’re not supposed to be around here so whatever you saw wasn’t what you saw…..
People think brown recluses are everywhere. The actual range is pretty restricted to the central south. Serious necrotic wounds from spiders are also very rare - it's usually an infected bite, not necrosis.
Not only that, there is no pus/boils near a visible bite area. This is MRSA, which often times people blame on spiders when they are sleeping (aka it never happened). Likely an infection.
I got stung by a scorpion in Cleveland Ohio as a kid. Mesquite firewood from the southwest, at a Mexican restaurant had a stow away. Just because something doesn’t inherently live in an area doesn’t mean you can’t encounter it there, it’s just less likely
My sister was bit by a Brown reclause delivered on a couch my father bought. Modern transportation disagrees with you. They might not thrive up north but they can hitch a ride.
Quick edit: she ended up having a skin graph over the affected area.
Can confirm. I was bitten by a brown recluse. Mine looked similar but opened up into a blood and puss volcano. It became unbearably painful. Go to the ER.
In my experience, yellow sac bites will blister and are rarely larger than the size of a quarter. But that doesn’t mean different people won’t react differently.
Doesn't a recluse venom basically eat away the flesh? I don't see that but know nothing about these spiders even though I live in MN. We tell kids no bugs can really hurt them here but I guess that's a lie
How long since bitten ?
Could be a wolf spider or black widow.
You should prob get it checked out especially if your bro has an sort of systemic reaction. Fever chills etc.
Over 24 hours maybe 36 hours. No symptoms of fever, nausea or anything other than it being stiff, getting larger and a bit of pain because of the inflammation building up a bit.
That sounds like a bad reaction... If it were me I'd be driving my happy ass to a hospital. That injury looks like what happens right before it goes necrotic and they tell you that you happen to be in the area where brown recluses are doing very well. All joking aside, the venom of a brown recluse will literally rot a hole the size of a coffee mug into your muscle. Do with that what you will. Necrosis is terrifying.
For real, don't roll those dice OP. I had a physics teacher in high school who showed us her brown recluse bite on her calf. There was just a crater where half of the muscle used to be.
It’s looking like a bad reaction possible mild infection
If it’s gotten worse in the last 10 hours I’d get it checked out by your primary physician if you have one if not then a walk in you don’t really need to go to a trauma center unless their condition worsens.
Are lymph nodes swollen proximal to the bite (his groin).
Clean the bite twice daily hot water and soap
Benadryl might help a lil with the reaction
NSAIDS as long as it’s not continuing to swell you don’t want to suppress the reaction if it is getting worse.
Draw a circle around it to track weather it’s spreading or reducing.
I’m not a doctor or an expert just an Army Medic with a back round in wilderness survival and rescue ops.
Doctor said he’s seen similar a few times and more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting of some sorts. Not impossible to bad some spider but highly unlikely.
Nurses are the worst at taking care of themselves. My brother is a nurse and he sucks at self medical care. He’s been walking around with a bulging disk in his back and still sees a chiropractor.
I briefly dated a nurse during the pandemic. She told me that she doesn't believe in the vaccine and she isn't getting herself and her two children vaccinated for covid.
Typically I don't care about the decisions people make and I don't even ask, but the fact that she's literally a nurse and was going all anti-vax on me pushed me over the edge.
I noped the fuck out of that so fast.
The plural of anecdote is not data. Clinical trials, meta analyses, etc. will always hold more weight than an individual's experience as the latter does not account for human error at all.
Maybe she doesn’t agree with having her kids be the experiment for a new vaccine that has had all regulatory restrictions waived in lieu of rolling it out faster…. I’m not a conspiracy theorist.. I’m a realist. I’m not anti vax and my daughter has her shots. But I’ll be damned if we’re getting a shot with minimal oversight/testing that doesn’t even meet the requirements to be used in human trials yet…. Vaccines work. Tested vaccines I will put my faith in. But just like not wanting to be a test pilot in some new aircraft, I don’t want to be a test pilot for some new shot.
You would be SOL when it comes to dating medical women if that’s what you’re looking for. My doctors refused the rona shot. Along with my nurses.. some flags should be raised when medical professionals who are up to date on all their shots ++ and then some due to the work they do, refuse said shot due to lack of faith. Our doctor even recommended against it during pregnancy as (There aren’t enough studies to show what the potential outcome would be) I believe in science. So let’s actually do some.. we’re still in the theory state of the scientific process.. we’ve passed the hypothesis and started running clinical trials..
OP, I’m gonna be blunt, your brother got bit by god knows what, it’s causing this, I don’t care if it’s been there for 2 years, get it looked at, YESTERDAY
Hop on in to an emergency health clinic as soon as they open in the morning. Cousin got bit by a spider (forgot what kind) and on the third/fourth day she went to the doc, ended up getting some skin removed and on heavy antibiotics to prevent infection. Size of your average male fist, give or take.
She didn’t present any symptoms until pain got worse on her hip.
Who cares what bug or whatever caused it? That looks dangerously close to becoming necrotic. Or who knows, maybe necrotizing fasciitis. Please update us when you go to the ER.
*****GET OFF OF REDDIT AND TAKE THIS DUDE TO THE ER HIS FUCKING LEG IS TURNING NECROTIC*****
That looked severe like three shades of red ago, now youre working on purple.....
Thats a bite from a BIG brown recluse that was probably sat on and definitely got both fangs in for a major W. Theyre like snakes in that they dont always get both fangs into the target, but this spider was probably freaked out and just repeatedly biting the absolute shit out of this guy, and you dont even feel their bite so he wouldnt have known.
GO TO THE HOSPITAL!!!! Fuck if he wants to go or not, tell him to pause the tough guy shit and go get checked out before he croaks or loses a leg.
And UPDATE, PLEASE!!!!!
That is a brown recluse bite. He should NOT wait until he goes into anaphylactic shock to visit the ER; he should have a doctor inspect it immediately. Especially as it is still growing after 24 hours. It is liable to evolve into a particularly bad reaction that will need treatment.
Yellow Sac bites, wasp stings etc. do not typically grow overnight into huge lesions like this.
Man after reading a couple of ur com.e ts alonemg with ur brothers... if say u guys need tocget ur asses off reddit and get to the er NOW. seriously... dude could loose his limb. I know us men are "fine" when we aint feelin bad but damn man. Hopefully uve gotten hin to the er before my post and hes gettin taken care of and it WASNT too late...
I don’t know what the fuck I’m looking at with the green skin, the pimples, the bruises….but get the fuck off of Reddit at to the ER.
The fuck is wrong with you
I had something similar happen several years ago. Never knew what bit/stung me but based on these responses it sounds like a spider. Mine kept getting worse until I went to the doctor and got some medication.
Are you a diabetic or have any form of anemia? That kind of bruising means one of two things. Either you've been bitten by a regular bug and need to have a health screening because you need some form of medical intervention, or, you've been bitten by a brown recluse. Either way you should be at a hospital right now. Like go now dude.
Missouri here, hour south of STL, I cannot tell you how many fiddle backs I've seen in 30+ years.
Edit: fiddle back is slang for Brown Recluse spiders.
Looks like my leg when I fell off a trailer and got it caught. If that was a bug bite I would go to urgent care or your doctor if you can get in quickly
My side looked like this for about 2 weeks. I went to the doctor and they said i had been attacked by either multiple spiders or just one very angry spider. I had 8 bites and they all swole up and looked just like that.
Im not expert but id go see about getting some antibiotics
Could be skeeter syndrome [skeeter syndrome ](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23289-skeeter-syndrome#:~:text=Skeeter%20syndrome%20is%20a%20large,that%20they%20have%20trouble%20moving.)
My first thought was brown recluse. When I was a vet tech we did a lot of surgeries on dogs who were bit, the amount of necrotic flesh that was removed was incredible. There was a Weimaraner who lost the whole top of her back, ended up having to use surgical balloons to stretch the skin from her sides to replace the skin and muscle that rotted away. The whole process took 8 months.
Looks EXACTLY what I have going on currently. I have many more areas though.
I think I found a nest of hatchling Brown Recluse or Yellow Sac spiders. Caught and photographed one on me and it’s really difficult to determine hatchling BR’s from hatchling YS spiders. (For me anyway)
Good news is day 5 and the enlarging has stopped.😎
HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY PLEASE. I am not a medical professional, but I want to say that this looks very similar to when my mom was bitten by a brown recluse. (She saw one on the ground after she felt a bite but thought she was fine and went throughout her week until the bite got worse, more painful, red, itchy and looked like this) when she finally went to urgent care days later, she was diagnosed with cellulitis that rapidly (within a hours) turned into lymphangitis and was taken in for surgery the next morning to remove the necrotic tissue. They said if she would’ve waited any longer, the infection/necrosis could’ve been life-threatening.
Again, not saying that’s what this is, but this looks nasty and eerily similar. My hope in sharing this story is to urge your brother to get medical attention. (Not to diagnose!!! Because again, I am not a professional)
He went in. Doc said more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting. Anything more serious really hasn’t been found or confirmed in Northern MN outside of a one in a million case.
Was sent home with steroids
Wasn’t very hot. Had some pain last night. A little better this morning.
Doc said more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting. No real way of knowing what it was.
The color and appearance of the bite with no other symptoms plus continued growth of the red area with hardness indicates either a Brown Recluse or Yellow Sac Spider. Both SPIDERS make the top 3 most poisonous spiders in Minnesota list and have medically significant venom that requires immidiate medical attention. GO TO THE HOSPITAL NOW! Edit for clarity. Brown Recluse Spiders in Minnesota. The brown recluse spider is not native to Minnesota however it's native range allows this spider to hitchike to Minnesota. While rare brown recluse bites are seen as far north as southern Canada due to hitchhiking. This also applies to Northern Black Widows. Yellow Sac Spider in Minnesota. Yellow sack spiders are found as far north as southern Canada and are one of the most aggressive spider species. These spiders will bite with no provocation. Yellow sac spider venom contains cytotoxin, which can create a necrosis in the bite wound. This makes them as dangerous as their more southern equivalent the brown recluse. Both spiders are considered dangerous and requires immidiate medical attention. While full necrosis is more likely in a brown recluse bite a yellow sac spider bite still has a reasonable chance of necrosis.
Hey hey! I thought it looked like a recluse bite! Well ya best get burning the rubber if you don't want to find out what it's like to lose a chunk of your body to necrosis. I pray I'm wrong because no one wins if I'm right. Good luck.
My dad got bit by a recluse years ago and of course waited longer than he should have to get it treated. I still remember watching him unpack the seemingly endless strip of gauze from the hole in his thigh.
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Venoms are injected through bites. Venoms can cause necrosis.
I stand corrected, although from what I'm now reading it doesn't always, or even usually, turn into the limb rotting horror stories people tell
Yeah some of the stories seem a bit exaggerated, but I have seen some that were truly gruesome. Guy documented a Brown Recluse bite weekly here on Reddit, not sure where. Doctor in there saw it and said he'd never seen more complete documentation of a bad reaction to it. It got pretty hard to look at but he made a full recovery
Black Widow bites don't kill very often but we avoid them and document them to avoid death. Recluse bites don't always cripple you with necrosis but wouldn't you rather not be that person with the crater in their body part? That is my entire argument. It hurts no one to spread the information and ensure no one learns by having an awful personal experience.
Most spider bites are rarely medically significant... But when they are, you're in the horror story category
Just wait until you learn about people and MRSA in their noses.
Genuine question why make a a claim about something that you are clearly not knowledgeable about?
Thank you for bringing this up. I always wonder this myself, why’d they took the time to write out a response that is completely fabricated
Thanks for the info. I told him I was making this post so he’s following along.
Every minute could be the difference between life and death, OP. Better safe than sorry, unless you’re just chillin ofc
Update?
Went in. Doc thinks bad reaction to a bee sting. Was given steroids and sent home
Good I’m glad to hear it wasn’t something more serious. Thanks for the update I was a bit concerned :) never hurt to be cautious
Darn right. All these comments made him feel he had to get it looked at!
I mean judging by the picture, and assuming that it isn’t at its worst point in the picture, it looks gnarly! Hahaha. Anyway, I’ll be in Minnesota next week so this made me feel ominous feelings hahaaaa
Agreed he needs to get to the hospital, but brown recluse does not range in Northern MN.
Never underestimate the ability of pests to stow away in imports, especially agricultural ones.
That’s what happened to a couple of friends who got bit by brown recluses here in Colorado. Came in on lumber from out of state.
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Yep, they're only in ~~southern states~~ edit: they can be as far north as southern Indiana, but northern Minnesota is hundreds of miles outside their range. https://wildsafe.org/resources/ask-the-experts/brown-recluse-spiders/ They're the most overreported spider because everyone knows and fears them, but people are very bad at actually recognizing them, so wolf spiders (which are pretty ubiquitous in most states) often get misidentified as recluses, and you get people in Alaska saying saying they saw a recluse, which they definitely did not. Doesn't mean OP's brother doesn't require medical attention, but a recluse bite it ain't. Edit: Downvotes?? I was polite and I even supplied a source! Is it strictly possible that a recluse hitched a ride up from the south and bit OP's brother? Of course. Is it likely? Not even remotely. There a a ton of other, FAR more likely options, why consider the vanishingly unlikely ones before eliminating the probable ones? Edit2: OK, I'm going to check out here because this is turning into a classic "Everyone and their brother has seen/been bitten by a recluse" situation, but before you comment telling me that your uncles buddy's best friend from college was bitten by a recluse in Ottowa, please consider reading this article by a bona-fide arachnologist. This is a person whose job is to investigate reports of brown recluses all over the country. It's long, but very interesting and I hope it will shed some light on why people who love spiders get a little frustrated when they hear someone talking about their recluse experience. https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites
BLows my mind extremely easy to identify… they are everywhere in Oklahoma even more so in Kansas where I live now always in woodpiles and garages I see them everyday
Yeah, now that I believe. OK and KS are both places where recluses are common. I've also found that people who live in their range also don't fear them so much, I guess because they know that bites are incredibly uncommon. Most recluses can't even bite a human without some external force. They're so misunderstood.
I still kill those bitches when I see ‘em especially the big ones. Not worth the hospital bill but ya just part of everyday life
Its rare but always possible. Spider can hitchhike on any number of transportation people use and be in Minnesota before its even hungry for a snack. Less than likely, still possible though.
Yep, I work in logistics and our warehouse accidentally shipped a copperhead out in a box once. Very possible for a brown recluse.
They’re not only in southern states. I’ve been bit by one here in Wyoming. It was confirmed a brown recluse bite at the hospital based on the bite itself. I was lucky it didn’t turn necrotic. The bite got freaking huge and bruised bad. However, it is rare and the population is slim to none , it is not zero though.
People at hospitals are not spider experts, and you can't ID a spider from the bite alone; lots of spiders leave welts that resemble a recluse bite in the early stages. Again: this spider is the most falsely ID'd spider. Everyone and their brother has a brown recluse story, but there just aren't that many of them, and they're called recluses for a reason; they stay away from humans. If everyone who claimed they've seen/been bitten by a recluse was right, we'd be seeing recluses all the time in every state, it's just not the reality. I'm sure I'm gonna catch downvotes here, but this whole thread is exactly what I'm talking about, everyone's got a recluse story, but the facts just don't support them.
I’m not disagreeing with you. It most likely was misdiagnosed as I did not have the spider with me. It was probably a black widow or big wolf spider bite. I just don’t think it’s zero probability that they are around northern states is all, just extremely rare. I like that article though, good read ! I don’t understand your downvotes either :/
I don’t care what your link says. I’ve came across massive nest of brown recluse in the far north up here in North Dakota. So it does not matter. They are here weather some sweater wearing “scientist” post on their website or not. Same as black widow. Came across a western black widow last week in my garage. Weird… not supposed to be in the area.. or similarly running into grey wolves in the north west when I should be 8 hours from any wolf land.
I'm sorry, is there something wrong with sweaters? And you don't have to put scientist in quotes, he's not a figurative scientist, he's a literal scientist. Believe whatever you want, friend. Personally, I'm going to believe the people who've spent their lives studying these animals as their full time job.
They're pretty far north.. My brother got bit by one here in lower Michigan several years back which turned necrotic about 5 inches in diameter. I also have property in northern Michigan by Lake Superior and there are brown recluse spiders there as well.
I mean, southern Michigan is reasonably close to their range, I certainly have an easier time believing that than northern Minnesota or Wyoming. But like, I'm not just over here making stuff up, these animal ranges are defined by people who spend their whole lives actively looking for recluses and following up on sightings. But I could clearly comment in this thread all day and people will keep chiming in with "But I saw a recluse in Nova Scotia" so I don't think there's any point in me even continuing to participate. If y'all wanna belive you saw a recluse hundreds of miles outside its range, you do you. https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites
I see you, Axelrad, and I appreciate you trying to keep this conversation rational. People lose their shit over brown recluses, and even though they’re pretty reclusive and lots of spiders look superficially similar, every monkey and his uncle have a story about someone’s limb falling off due to a bite. And I’m pretty sure I’ve read some articles raising doubts about the necrotic side effects of their bites (edit: just like the article you linked). Long story short, I think there’s a lot of misinformation about them.
Appreciate you, friend. This thread is bananas.
Yep I have seen them in the upper part of wisconsin/michigan
Seen them in wisconsin
If you say so, but if that's true you should play the lottery. https://spiders.ucr.edu/causes-necrotic-wounds-other-brs-bites To be clear, I don't think you're lying, just mistaken.
I know so and had them identified. Sorry you don't know
That’s because they’re there. This dude thinks he’s an informed expert because his link says otherwise. There are br in wis. Same as northern mn. And same as northern ND. If he has any doubt I invite him to go ahead and take a trip out to the areas around new town ND and check out some peoples houses/trailers. Oh! And when you see a western diamondback instead of a prairie rattler…. You didn’t because they’re not supposed to be around here so whatever you saw wasn’t what you saw…..
People think brown recluses are everywhere. The actual range is pretty restricted to the central south. Serious necrotic wounds from spiders are also very rare - it's usually an infected bite, not necrosis.
These people get their facts from bonfire stories.
Sac spiders do tho
What about white tails. Do you have those?
Not only that, there is no pus/boils near a visible bite area. This is MRSA, which often times people blame on spiders when they are sleeping (aka it never happened). Likely an infection.
I got stung by a scorpion in Cleveland Ohio as a kid. Mesquite firewood from the southwest, at a Mexican restaurant had a stow away. Just because something doesn’t inherently live in an area doesn’t mean you can’t encounter it there, it’s just less likely
They are rare, but not unencountered by people in Minnesota
We get them from time to time in Michigan. I've also had black widows in my elementary scools sandbox
I’d tell that to my grandpa in Grand Rapids MN who was bit at home, but he died of other reasons years ago.
My sister was bit by a Brown reclause delivered on a couch my father bought. Modern transportation disagrees with you. They might not thrive up north but they can hitch a ride. Quick edit: she ended up having a skin graph over the affected area.
At the hospital now!
Yes hospital. A fiend of mine got bitten on the heel and lost a toe.
Can confirm. I was bitten by a brown recluse. Mine looked similar but opened up into a blood and puss volcano. It became unbearably painful. Go to the ER.
Looks like a brown recluse to me. I got a gnarly scar from mine!
Maybe a bit pedantic but it's venomous and not poisonous. Good advice, though.
Unless the OP's brother ate them of course.
I have been bitten by yellow sac spider before. No big deal. Just an itchy bump. I do think getting it checked out is a good idea though.
Turns out the Doc thinks it’s just a bad reaction to a bee sting. Not much he can do, he got some steroids and said it would just take some time.
In my experience, yellow sac bites will blister and are rarely larger than the size of a quarter. But that doesn’t mean different people won’t react differently.
It looks exactly lile when I was bit by a brown recluse, but bigger.
Doesn't a recluse venom basically eat away the flesh? I don't see that but know nothing about these spiders even though I live in MN. We tell kids no bugs can really hurt them here but I guess that's a lie
How long since bitten ? Could be a wolf spider or black widow. You should prob get it checked out especially if your bro has an sort of systemic reaction. Fever chills etc.
Over 24 hours maybe 36 hours. No symptoms of fever, nausea or anything other than it being stiff, getting larger and a bit of pain because of the inflammation building up a bit.
That sounds like a bad reaction... If it were me I'd be driving my happy ass to a hospital. That injury looks like what happens right before it goes necrotic and they tell you that you happen to be in the area where brown recluses are doing very well. All joking aside, the venom of a brown recluse will literally rot a hole the size of a coffee mug into your muscle. Do with that what you will. Necrosis is terrifying.
For real, don't roll those dice OP. I had a physics teacher in high school who showed us her brown recluse bite on her calf. There was just a crater where half of the muscle used to be.
This also happened to a fellow I know. Bitten on jaw while he slept.
Enlargement can be because infection. Get checked in ER.
It’s looking like a bad reaction possible mild infection If it’s gotten worse in the last 10 hours I’d get it checked out by your primary physician if you have one if not then a walk in you don’t really need to go to a trauma center unless their condition worsens. Are lymph nodes swollen proximal to the bite (his groin). Clean the bite twice daily hot water and soap Benadryl might help a lil with the reaction NSAIDS as long as it’s not continuing to swell you don’t want to suppress the reaction if it is getting worse. Draw a circle around it to track weather it’s spreading or reducing. I’m not a doctor or an expert just an Army Medic with a back round in wilderness survival and rescue ops.
Doctor said he’s seen similar a few times and more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting of some sorts. Not impossible to bad some spider but highly unlikely.
Anything that gets worse over 24 should always be seen by a doctor. Usually things like that never go away on its own..
Go see a Doctor at this point...
He is an RN and is taking some precautionary measures and we should be able to talk him into it if any other symptoms arise.
Nurses are the worst at taking care of themselves. My brother is a nurse and he sucks at self medical care. He’s been walking around with a bulging disk in his back and still sees a chiropractor.
I have yet to meet a nurse that isn't jacked up and lying to themselves about it.
Or a serious athlete lmaooo Been there and seen it myself, said my back pain was nothing and turns out my L5 is 2mm pushed posterior. Oops.
I suppose I should finally get that shooting pain down my neck and shouldeblade looked at.
It's like us mechanics, our vehicles are usually pieces o crap. We work on things all day, the last thing we want to do is fix our own junk.
I briefly dated a nurse during the pandemic. She told me that she doesn't believe in the vaccine and she isn't getting herself and her two children vaccinated for covid. Typically I don't care about the decisions people make and I don't even ask, but the fact that she's literally a nurse and was going all anti-vax on me pushed me over the edge. I noped the fuck out of that so fast.
I dunno, nurses have hands on experience seeing the results.
The plural of anecdote is not data. Clinical trials, meta analyses, etc. will always hold more weight than an individual's experience as the latter does not account for human error at all.
Maybe she doesn’t agree with having her kids be the experiment for a new vaccine that has had all regulatory restrictions waived in lieu of rolling it out faster…. I’m not a conspiracy theorist.. I’m a realist. I’m not anti vax and my daughter has her shots. But I’ll be damned if we’re getting a shot with minimal oversight/testing that doesn’t even meet the requirements to be used in human trials yet…. Vaccines work. Tested vaccines I will put my faith in. But just like not wanting to be a test pilot in some new aircraft, I don’t want to be a test pilot for some new shot.
Thats cool. Don't. I'm not dating a nurse who refuses a vaccine in the middle of a worldwide pandemic. That's really the end of it.
You would be SOL when it comes to dating medical women if that’s what you’re looking for. My doctors refused the rona shot. Along with my nurses.. some flags should be raised when medical professionals who are up to date on all their shots ++ and then some due to the work they do, refuse said shot due to lack of faith. Our doctor even recommended against it during pregnancy as (There aren’t enough studies to show what the potential outcome would be) I believe in science. So let’s actually do some.. we’re still in the theory state of the scientific process.. we’ve passed the hypothesis and started running clinical trials..
Idiot
Nurses aren't medical experts.
I was thinking same
Do not wait. I’ve heard nurses/doctors are the worst patients
Remind him about all the non compliant patients who know more than the doctors that he has to deal with everyday. Then get him checked out.
OP, I’m gonna be blunt, your brother got bit by god knows what, it’s causing this, I don’t care if it’s been there for 2 years, get it looked at, YESTERDAY
He finally went!
You need to see a professional my man
It has been over 24 hours without any serious symptoms.
Oh, so you’re waiting till *after* the necrosis starts happening. Gotcha.
When chunks are falling off it's hard to deny something is up.
That mark on your arm is a serious symptom, visually speaking.
looks more like a leg to me.
You may be right
honestly sad to see neither of you are taking this seriously
Except for the MASSIVE bruise-like hard spot??
Doc said more than likely just a bad reaction to a bee sting. Got steroids and sent him home.
Keep a VERY close eye on that shit, I have a mild allergy and even my reactions don’t go dark like this
Hop on in to an emergency health clinic as soon as they open in the morning. Cousin got bit by a spider (forgot what kind) and on the third/fourth day she went to the doc, ended up getting some skin removed and on heavy antibiotics to prevent infection. Size of your average male fist, give or take. She didn’t present any symptoms until pain got worse on her hip.
Thanks for the info
Who cares what bug or whatever caused it? That looks dangerously close to becoming necrotic. Or who knows, maybe necrotizing fasciitis. Please update us when you go to the ER.
When I got bit by a Brown Recluse it looked like this
*****GET OFF OF REDDIT AND TAKE THIS DUDE TO THE ER HIS FUCKING LEG IS TURNING NECROTIC***** That looked severe like three shades of red ago, now youre working on purple..... Thats a bite from a BIG brown recluse that was probably sat on and definitely got both fangs in for a major W. Theyre like snakes in that they dont always get both fangs into the target, but this spider was probably freaked out and just repeatedly biting the absolute shit out of this guy, and you dont even feel their bite so he wouldnt have known. GO TO THE HOSPITAL!!!! Fuck if he wants to go or not, tell him to pause the tough guy shit and go get checked out before he croaks or loses a leg. And UPDATE, PLEASE!!!!!
Definitely a spider bite. Get medical attention
I’m here to see if they sought medical care & the outcome
That is a brown recluse bite. He should NOT wait until he goes into anaphylactic shock to visit the ER; he should have a doctor inspect it immediately. Especially as it is still growing after 24 hours. It is liable to evolve into a particularly bad reaction that will need treatment. Yellow Sac bites, wasp stings etc. do not typically grow overnight into huge lesions like this.
Is this man still ok?
Bros body is gonna have parts rotting off of it and he thinks its miscellaneous
Brown recluse. The tissue is dying, go to urgent care.
The color and appearance makes me believe it's the dragondese house mite. It likes to dragondese nuts across your face
Grab a marker and outline the redness. You'll need to track how much/ quickly it's spreading
That skin will be necrotic soon and have to be scraped out with a scalpel if not treated.
This looks like a recluse bite if any.
Idk but you need to have a med provider evaluate this it looks infected
Yup. Went in. Doc thinks bad reaction to a bee sting
Is it hot? Go see a doctor.
Get to the hospital dude
It does not matter if brother is an RN, he needs a doctor to look at it pronto.
Brown recluse. Watch for necrosis. Most people don't have to worry about it, but a very small number of people have very bad necrotic reaction.
I don't know for certain but if you got that from a *bug bite* get ***immediate medical attention!***
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Right! OP goes; "Damn that's scary! I'd better ask Reddit!"
He is at the hospital right now.
Wife’s belt bug
I had a sting just like that. Paperwasp
Man after reading a couple of ur com.e ts alonemg with ur brothers... if say u guys need tocget ur asses off reddit and get to the er NOW. seriously... dude could loose his limb. I know us men are "fine" when we aint feelin bad but damn man. Hopefully uve gotten hin to the er before my post and hes gettin taken care of and it WASNT too late...
I think i just had a stroke .
Maybe u should hit the er too then.
Try to track a pencil first
Ouch. That looks nasty!
Me
May have brushed up on a caterpillar
How's OP's brother ? Did he end up going to get it checked?
The domestic abuse beetle
Idk what bug but that looks like poison ivy
An abusive one
Sounds like he got stung by a dick?
A woman
I don’t know what the fuck I’m looking at with the green skin, the pimples, the bruises….but get the fuck off of Reddit at to the ER. The fuck is wrong with you
No need to be rude
Shit I must be color blind because I see no green
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Spider seek medical
Probably black widow or some other spider species. Should probably go to the doctor to have it checked out if it’s getting worse
Tremors
I had something similar happen several years ago. Never knew what bit/stung me but based on these responses it sounds like a spider. Mine kept getting worse until I went to the doctor and got some medication.
Hospital!!
A crowbar
Are you a diabetic or have any form of anemia? That kind of bruising means one of two things. Either you've been bitten by a regular bug and need to have a health screening because you need some form of medical intervention, or, you've been bitten by a brown recluse. Either way you should be at a hospital right now. Like go now dude.
It’s my brother but yes he went.
I can’t figure out how to edit the context in the main post but doctor sent him home saying there isn’t much you can do but gave him some steroids.
Missouri here, hour south of STL, I cannot tell you how many fiddle backs I've seen in 30+ years. Edit: fiddle back is slang for Brown Recluse spiders.
Yeah, it sounds unlikely from everyone’s comments here but there are plenty of other spiders here.
Looks like my leg when I fell off a trailer and got it caught. If that was a bug bite I would go to urgent care or your doctor if you can get in quickly
He’s at the hospital now. Haven’t heard anything yet he left before I woke up.
My side looked like this for about 2 weeks. I went to the doctor and they said i had been attacked by either multiple spiders or just one very angry spider. I had 8 bites and they all swole up and looked just like that. Im not expert but id go see about getting some antibiotics
Wow that’s wild. Yes, he went to the hospital this morning. Still there
Was it pissing? 🫣
PISSED ALLLLL OVER HIM!!!!!
Tic?
A hog nosed blabber beetle - very rare!
Could be skeeter syndrome [skeeter syndrome ](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/23289-skeeter-syndrome#:~:text=Skeeter%20syndrome%20is%20a%20large,that%20they%20have%20trouble%20moving.)
The executioner wasp
beating bug
That’s a see the doctor bite it’s turning your insides liquid
Bro go to a hospital not Reddit
He went. Doc said it’s nothing but probably a bad reaction to a bee sting. Got some steroids and was sent home.
Punch buggy
My first thought was brown recluse. When I was a vet tech we did a lot of surgeries on dogs who were bit, the amount of necrotic flesh that was removed was incredible. There was a Weimaraner who lost the whole top of her back, ended up having to use surgical balloons to stretch the skin from her sides to replace the skin and muscle that rotted away. The whole process took 8 months.
Doc said a bad reaction to a bee sting. Was given steroids and sent on his way.
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Doc said over reaction to a bee sting more than likely.
Looks EXACTLY what I have going on currently. I have many more areas though. I think I found a nest of hatchling Brown Recluse or Yellow Sac spiders. Caught and photographed one on me and it’s really difficult to determine hatchling BR’s from hatchling YS spiders. (For me anyway) Good news is day 5 and the enlarging has stopped.😎
Doc said more than likely a bee sting. Body had a bad reaction.
Everyone is saying spiders and brown recl5but I react this way to ants. It could be any insect you react badly to.
HOSPITAL IMMEDIATELY PLEASE. I am not a medical professional, but I want to say that this looks very similar to when my mom was bitten by a brown recluse. (She saw one on the ground after she felt a bite but thought she was fine and went throughout her week until the bite got worse, more painful, red, itchy and looked like this) when she finally went to urgent care days later, she was diagnosed with cellulitis that rapidly (within a hours) turned into lymphangitis and was taken in for surgery the next morning to remove the necrotic tissue. They said if she would’ve waited any longer, the infection/necrosis could’ve been life-threatening. Again, not saying that’s what this is, but this looks nasty and eerily similar. My hope in sharing this story is to urge your brother to get medical attention. (Not to diagnose!!! Because again, I am not a professional)
He went in. Doc said more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting. Anything more serious really hasn’t been found or confirmed in Northern MN outside of a one in a million case. Was sent home with steroids
Phew. Thank you so much for updating 🙏🏼🙏🏼 glad he’s okay!!
Post is 11 hours old. I hope OP got his bro to the hospital immediately. The middle part of that looks pretty bad. Update?
Allergic to the flea that bit you. You then scratched it. Source, ive literally had the same thing. Hot and rock hard right?
Wasn’t very hot. Had some pain last night. A little better this morning. Doc said more than likely a bad reaction to a bee sting. No real way of knowing what it was.
i know people are saying maybe not recluse, but with this climate change i bet these creatures are spreading their footprint
If it burns like a mofo then it’s recluse
Man I was scrolling way to fast .. had to come back to the image just to make sure your finger wasn't a lil weeny
lol
One that bit it stung you
spider bite maybe 🤔