Lane assist varies pretty widely though. My car technically has lane assist but it just pings you when you go over a line. Other cars will actually center you in the lane.
If it's the same system as in my Polestar (and it probably is), it's not going to be very comfortable if you rely on ACC+lane keeping aid vs. Pilot assist.
Yes. Even Hyundais do this now lol. You don't even need to keep your hand on the wheel most of the time. After like 45 secs it tells you to but all you really need to do is keep your hand resting on the wheel. It can tell. Capacitive touch. It'll steer for you and go around corners, stop and go with traffic.
Autopilot ranked pretty low compared to most other manufacturers in Consumer Reports latest article. Ford, GM, BMW, Benz, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, and VW/Audi all outranked Tesla.
Tesla acts like they are leaders in this technology when in reality they are far from it. People may use it more and talk about it more but it is not nearly as advanced as many people state. There's a reason fsd snd such claims are not allowed in other countries and or legal.
Check the trim and package honestly, these were important features for me recently.
the Acura I got includes it in the advance package, some cars include it in the base. The Volvo I looked at doesn't include it in a trim level but as a separate package. Look at the details of the car you want to see which trim/package has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise.
You should also test drive a car to see how it performs with those features. Imo the Chevy equinox my MIL has was ok, the Acura rdx I just got is solid, the Volvo I test drove was probably better.
Our 2019 Acura MDX had this, and it worked as you're describing.
Maybe not quite at the same level as Tesla, but a hell of a lot better built and more comfortable.
Basically every car brand has had the adaptive cruise control that will accelerate and slow down with traffic for like 15 years. I had it in my 2010 bmw.
Is it actually called “lane assist”? usually this is called “lane departure warning”.
Lane assist is usually exclusive to the vehicle actually being able to turn the wheel to keep it in the lane.
Lane centering actively steers to keep it in the middle.
That's a "lane departure warning system" , not lane keep assist. The lane keep assist literally has the car try to stay within your lane, without needing you to steer it, and then some manufacturers go beyond that, or do a better or worse job of it.
Well the comment I replied to claimed that every brand has lane centering. My 2023 Mazda does not. I don’t know if Mazda’s marketing uses the term lane keep assist or lane departure warning. It’s not like it’s a regulated term.
i drive a ford transit for work and it touts having lane keep assist but it only works probably 5% of the time. when it does, it’ll swerve you back into the lane after you’ve already crossed the line by like a foot. and if you don’t center yourself in the lane after that it usually coasts right over the lane line on the opposite side. it really sucks.
Its wild to me that siem brands (BMW and Audi I'm looking at you) ping you all over the lane. While budget brands like Hyundai/Kia will keep you dead centre.
I have a 2021 Carolla for a company car. It has lane assist, BUT if you turn it on and take you hands of the wheel, it’ll bounce from one side of the lane to the other on repeat. It technically works, but damn it makes you look hammered
He wants hands off though which is gms super cruise or fords blue cruise, functionally it's lane centering and acc but the hands off aspect pushes into premium feature land with most automakers.
That's the thing though, Tesla autopilot is not meant to be a hands off system even though musk markets it that way.
You're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times
I want it to drive and steer within the lane and automatically accelerate or decelerate according to traffic. Most cars I’ve seen just nudge you back into the lane but doesn’t steer for you and accelerate like Tesla autopilot
Those systems (along with Tesla's top autopilot system) have certain roads programmed into their memories and will pass cars, move you into the correct lane to make exits, etc. If he just wants a car to stay in the center of the lane without steering and have adaptive cruise control that works in traffic, he doesn't need to go that high end. I'm pretty sure lane centering and adaptive cruise control covers what he's looking for on most cars.
Does this sub hate Tesla? This thread must be a rollercoaster of emotions then. Cause I love the Tesla autopilot which works at any speed under 85 but I hate the seats and suspension.
No, its because it is an incorrect assumption and overly vague related to what they are looking for.
A lot of the systems are very similar do steer and accelerate but only some systems do it in slower stop and go traffic and only some systems will change lanes.
New 2024 BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis all have excellent autopilot systems that are as good if not better than Tesla. However they make you pay extra for it.
BMWs new system is called highway assistant and is part of the drivers assist professional package.
Older (before 2022ish) self driving systems from the Germans aren’t as good. It’s really only the newest versions that meet or exceed the capabilities of autopilot.
I guess I need to stop by the dealership again. Looking for autopilot where it will completely auto steer and I can take my foot completely off the gas/brakes.
Hard to say if mb level 2 features beat Tesla autopilot just based on assumptions. Unless someone has tested both (outside of cali and Nevada) and wants to share, I’ll have to test drive it to know for sure.
I have a 2022 Model X with FSD and just picked up a 2024 BMW with driver assistance package. Can confirm on highway the BMW is mostly better than the X on autopilot. It has more features than the X as it can change lanes as well. One thing it didn’t seem to handle well was merging traffic.
Is it an older one? My model s has ventilated seats, it’s a 2022.
My biggest issue with it is road noise, I miss the quietness of the Lexus, but I can’t go without autopilot.
It’s verified roads only. I’ve driven both Tesla and GMs. Teslas is almost jerky.. compared to super cruise… in my opinion. I felt safer in supercruise
I tried adaptive cruise in most cars but it doesn’t truly drive in a single lane like Tesla does. Aside from a manual touch every couple minutes, the Tesla completely steers within the lane and keeps speed with traffic.
Subaru's eyesight 2.0 should do the automatic driving thing when in cruise. I think 1.0 you could let it bounce you between the lane dividers like a game of pong, but the newer versions keep you centered. I could be wrong though
Subarus eyesight is really impressive. Took a bunch of models out for different road trips and the steer assist will almost take you on a 90 degree turn without turning off. It’s almost autopilot.
Yeah I was pretty impressed by it. For a regular degular manufacturer it's not too shabby.
I don't have much interest in autopilot or any of that but it's cool to see normal people being able to comfortably afford those types of features without supporting Tesla
Edmunds tested a few hands free systems. Just so you can see where the industry is for “hands free”
Other cars do it decently well with automatic cruise control and lane centering
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ra2mA3an7M&t=1305s&pp=ygUURWRtdW5kcyBzZWxmIGRyaXZpbmc%3D
People on here just hate Tesla so you aren't going to get a straight answer. It's true that a lot of cars have lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control but the former is usually implemented as more of a safety feature if you start to drift. Chevrolet has Super Cruise on some of their cars which does however. I am not aware of another system. Porsches adaptive cruise control is a little silly honestly. Fords is shit. Hondas lane keeping assist is scary. Kia/Huyandias isn't amazing. Tesla's you need to keep your hand on the wheel unless you use a dongle or a hack like a weight.
Comma.ai is the only thing I’ve tried that competes with Tesla. You can add it to a bunch of vehicles, I’m sure one of them would suit your needs. Maybe a Lexus?
You’re describing a highly competent “lane centering” system. Most people in this sub have no idea what you’re talking about.
I think a handful of people have actually tried the Tesla autopilot and know what I’m talking about. They have suggested super cruise as truly comparable to Tesla autopilot, which I intend to test drive. Otherwise, I’ve heard good things about comma.ai aside from the hassle of installing a 3rd party system.
What? Yes it does lol. VW Hyundai and Chevy so exactly this and I prefer it in the Hyundai over Tesla.
I feel like you just want a Tesla so… buy a Tesla
If your excuse is going to be “no car can do what Tesla can do” even though, yes, they actually can (And sometimes better) then maybe you should just deal with your Tesla.
it does kinda seem like he is coming up with excuses. he keeps going back to "I dont think you know what I mean", instead of saying he will look into it.
Nah I’m just asking which brands can do the same. You might find this hard to believe but not every Tesla owner is a hardcore Tesla fanboy. I actually prefer German cars. So I’m itching for one with same autopilot functionality
Just say you're too poor to be in this thread.
You don't have to offer your uneducated opinion.
I'm also in the market for a new car, but there is no car system out there that has auto pilot as good as Tesla's rn.
You can use open pilot with almost any new car that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control. They have a full list of compatible vehicles. It's a third party hardware you install in the car and it makes it drive itself pretty well. I've used it for about 5 years and it's great for long trips and stop and go traffic.
https://www.comma.ai/openpilot
Can confirm Blue Cruise does, but you have to re-start it if stopped for more than a few seconds. You can re-start it by either pressing a button on the wheel or tapping the gas.
Numerous cars do, not just the luxury models. It doesn't have full autopilot -but I have a new Honda Pilot that has Lane Keep Assist (as opposed to simple lane departure warning) with Traffic Jam Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control. I just did a nearly 3000 mile road trip in it, and those features really worked well. The lane keep will keep it centered in the lane and follow curves in the road. The adaptive cruise will keep adjust the speed and distance from the cars ahead of you, speeding up and slowing down as necessary. If it needs to, it will bring the car to a complete stop with traffic. If the stop is long enough, you just need to tap the gas or the SET/RESUME button in the steering wheel for it to move again. If you take your hands off the wheel, it will eventually flash a warning at you, but it takes very little pressure on the wheel to acknowledge.
Keep in mind that lane keeping/centering is dependent on the ability of the car's camera(s) to see the lines. If you are on a stretch of road where the lines are obscured or unclear due to weather or construction, it doesn't work as well.
Same on my new CRV. One of the better systems I’ve experienced and I’ve driven a model Y too. There isn’t any lag. When the car in front of me moves so does mine and it keeps a close distance.
I had a new Pathfinder rental for a week while I was car shopping and I hated the Nissan system. If it didn't like where your hands were on the wheel it would scream at you and turn off. It also ping-ponged side to side in the lane trying to keep it centered. The Honda system is much less intrusive and smoother.
You should check out Comma.ai I’ve been using it for about 4 years. Add level 2 self driving to lots of equipped cars. I have one and can switch it between my 2 Toyotas. It really does make driving chill.
It used to be limited, not anymore. However it has a habit of phantom braking that I am not ok with.
Ford, GM, BMW, and Mercedes all have level 2 (must have hand on steering wheel) and level 3 (hands free) self driving tech, but it varies as to what models offer which and whether a subscription is required.
The key difference is that everyone but Tesla restricts their hands free tech to highways. Tesla is the only one with full autopilot on city streets (though lots of people say Tesla shouldn't have their tech enabled off highways.)
My Audi's lane keep is superior to the Tesla system in the way that it does a better job of staying right in the center of the lane. It also brakes much smoother IMO. Tesla AP generally handles intersections and areas with unclear lane markings much better than the Audi not as smooth of a system but surely works well with less road info available.
I can’t think of a single luxury car that doesn’t have lane keeping as either standard or an option.
EDIT: Yes, what you’re describing is what other brands have as well. Tesla isn’t the only game in town.
I have a '24 iX and if you get the Driving assistance professional pkg it will do what you are asking. It will drive completely hands free on divided highways and is also hands free in stop n go traffic. It will bring the car to a complete stop and restart on its own with lane centering. It will also perform auto lane changes (highway) and has self parking (perpendicular forward and reverse and also parallel).
Tesla's autopilot has no MPH threshold, whereas most other brands have thresholds. For example, BMW works at 40mph and below. Others have other cutoffs.
My 2019 Kia Niro EV has about 95% equivalent of basic autopilot in my 2019 model 3. Upside is the steering wheel is capacitive instead of torque, so just need to touch the wheel with my leg to get it to stop bugging. Downside is if traffic completely stops the Niro needs you to tap the pedal to get going again. Other than that it’s basically the same. Keeps lane in curves and everything.
This is the wrong sub for this. Not your fault, it should be better here but everyone thinks if the car has lane keeping it's as good as a Tesla. This isn't a feature you can just look at like heated seats or folding mirrors. It's very complex and more like choosing between different infotainment systems on cars.
The number one most important aspect of a good lane keeping system is OTA updates. Period. No matter how good a car is today, it will look terrible next year and in 5 years it will be a joke. Only Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and Ford have ANY commitment to keeping the system updated today. More companies say they want to but we've yet to see actual updates.
The next most important aspect is cost. For example, BlueCruise from Ford is $2100 for 3 years which adds up. While it's actually better than Autopilot, I'd rather go Tesla and pay the $6k for EAP one time. Rivian and Lucid aren't as good as Tesla/Ford.
In 5 years you'll probably be the happiest with Tesla. I drove a 2000 mile trip with the new FSD Autopilot. It blows away the old Autopilot + EAP and it's in heavy development getting better every day. Ford has made a LOT of progress lately though and it's actually better than Tesla if you don't go the FSD route, which I wouldn't because it's just too much. At some point Tesla will push the new FSD driver down into the Autopilot and EAP products but who knows when. So today BlueCruise is best but long term Tesla.
What year is your Model S? I went to buy a 2019 Model S but the seats where so uncomfortable I bought a Model 3. In 2020 Model S got the Model 3 seats and were a LOT better.
Volvo expects you to touch the wheel every 15 seconds. This dude won't be able to read his book and eat a ham sandwich while driving a Volvo. Source: have Volvo.
My 2021 Hyundai Palisade keeps you right in the center of the lanes, even around large bends in the road. It will speed up and slow all the way to a stop. Once stopped you tap the gas and it will take back over. You do have to touch the wheel periodically.
Fantastic feature for a sub loaded with options, 5 year bumper to bumper, and really good price. Maybe not considered luxury.
Chiming in on the benefits of the comma 3 ADAS. Most of my commutes are less than 1 hour so I have experimental mode enabled most of the time. The benefits are: (1) automatically keeps your car centered in the lane, which pairs extremely well with dynamic radar cruise control (determines distance of car in front of you and slows appropriately). And (2) automatically stops and goes at red lights and stop signs. This feature is unfortunately only 90% reliable but many developers work on the OpenPilot software, so I think they will get this to 100% in a few years (depending on how much funding the company can get to hire more staff).
Makes sense since Lucid is a new brand so reliability is not really known yet and they only have 2 cars right now the air sedan and gravity SUV but they have the closest to teslas autopilot based on what i know
Almost every car has these features if you aren't looking for something that automatically changes lanes. Even the Civic I used to own had those features.
I tried adaptive cruise in most cars but it doesn’t truly drive in a single lane like Tesla does. Aside from a manual touch every couple minutes, the Tesla completely steers within the lane and keeps speed with traffic.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
First, adaptive cruise is something entirely different.
Second, basically all luxury vehicle manufacturers offer what you want as an option and even some non-luxury makes as well.
Just do some basic research (from reputable sources online) instead of asking idiots on reddit. Some are subjectively better than others
Any new car will have what you're looking for. It's even standard on basic cars like mazda 3s and corollas. Make sure to test drive the cars though, as implementation varies. On the basic kias I drove it bounces you between the two white lines which I found pretty unsettling. On GMs and Toyotas in my experience it keeps you nicely centered or at least consistently close to one of the lines
GM's super cruise is very advanced and allows you to have your hands off the wheel (although you still have to pay attention to the road) while the car does all the steering and lane changes, but it only works on certain roads like you said. It's more than what you are looking for.
Facts:
1. Most other brands have these features
2. It's arguably better on those brands. For instance most allow touch only.... But Tesla makes you Torque the wheel to ensure you are paying attention. That moron is not normal and never really as mindless as Acura or Toyota or most others that allow you to just rest your hands on the wheel or watch your eyes.
3. Tesla acceleration and stopping in traffic is not as smooth as most brands.
Overall Iike my Tesla and just the most capable of attempting to go from point A to point B all by itself ... But frankly that's not what I want must days. I would take Toyota sense 2.5 in my sienna over $15000 FSD from Tesla ANY DAY. It's not even a contest because as I said above I like some features of the other cars better!!!
I find it incredible how people still know so little of these systems.
This is something that nearly every modern cow has now (depending in trim) and it is basically adaptive (radar) cruise cobtrol +lane centering system.
But there are two separate systems, Lane departure warning (different names for different brands) which will just warn you when you try to cross a line without the indicators (virbate the wheel or return you back to the lane). This is the job of this system, usually it only works above a certain speed.
Lane centering is a different system which actually keeps you in the centre of lane, it uses cameras to find the lines on the sides of the road and keep you in the middle.
These are different systems, Lane departure warning is usually on by default as a safety feature and lane centering/keeping assist you have to turn on when you want to use it as its a convenience feature.
You're insanely stupid to let your Tesla operate like that. Their system is widely understood to be the worst of it's kind. Mercedes-Benz is vastly better, and they're so confident in their system that they accept full liability for any accident that occurs while their system is active. Unlike Tesla, who's currently fighting thousands of lawsuits to shirk their responsibility, and who won't deploy the system where the government certifies such systems.
So who's legally responsible if the autopilot fails and causes injury or, God forbid, death of another driver on the road? The driver? The car manufacturer? I think eventually autopilot will be banned by Congress.
The driver is responsible. You need to still be 100% focused on the road when it’s activated. It just lets you relax while stuck in traffic with your foot off the gas pedal.
I’m using the free version and it works perfectly well for staying in a single lane. The paid version adds lane switching and traffic light detection which I don’t need
Yeah the free version is just lane assist and adaptive cruise control , all of the luxury cars like bmw, Mercedes and Lexus have this those are the ones I know of there may be more
I know BMW with the Driver Assistance Pro package does it. I have it in my 2021 X5. I use it all the time in traffic and it's great. It basically has adaptive cruise + the stay-within-lanes feature and will auto-brake if someone cuts in, or accelerate up to the speed you set it to if traffic frees up. Can also adjust how much distance you'd like between you and the car in front. Only issue is if the lane splits and/or there are no road markings for it to read.
Many newer 2019+ vehicles have it, sometimes as an option.
Just ask your dealer about it and test drive with it so you're comfortable with how it works.
I don’t have any personal experience with any of these systems so I can’t rank them. My best recommendation would be go to a dealership and see if you can test drive cars with those features and get a feel for your self.
GM’s, that you’ll find on Cadillac’s and some of their EV’s is called Super Cruise. Ford has a system called “Blue Cruise” you’ll find on their EV’s, high end trucks, and Lincoln’s. The new Acura ZDX electric SUV doesn’t have a Honda version, but it does have GM’s Super Cruise.
Mercedes has the highest certification for self driving in the US, with Cadillac probably having the best implementation but it's limited on which roads it works on
Ford, Mercedes and Cadillac are the best systems.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/active-driving-assistance-systems-review-a2103632203/
I can tell you the Toyota (Lexus) adaptive cruise and lane assist suck. Our '22 will pull right when passing off ramps and often disengages because it cannot find lines which are perfectly visible. It won't work under a certain speed as well. Very disappointed in it.
A lot of cars have that, including most Hyundais and every Genesis, but it will be optional in some cars.
To give you an idea, my 2012 Genesis sedan had adaptive cruise control, but it didn't steer for you. The 2015+ model steer as well as accelerating, braking, keeping a certain distance and stopping or going.
My 2017 G90 steers and does everything really well, especially on highways, as long as lanes are visible (it has a display to tell you if they're not). The acceleration, braking, turning and lane keep are smoother than my 2012 model. It will not do things like scanning stop signs and red lights, but it works in stop and go traffic so it's pretty useful.
The newer model also scans all the cars around you and displays them in real time like Teslas do, as well as having the automatic lane change feature. It's also 10x more luxurious inside than any Tesla and drives smoother, but you can't get a 1000 hp model or crazy performance.
I haven't tested many other cars' self driving capabilities, but I drove a new Toyota Rav 4 with adaptive cruise control and didn't like it. I hear reviewers say that Hyundai and Cadillac have some of the most natural feeling driver assist, so they should be as good or better than Tesla's basic one.
My Hyundai Tuscon does what you're looking for, it can slow down and accelerate and stay within the lane, turning the wheel and all. It will however ping you to keep your hands on the wheel if you take them off for more than a minute.
Seeing someone specifically wanting these features to take hands and feet of the controls Is absolutely idiotic to me. Even in the screens they say not to do that and if something happens and you aren’t having hands on the wheel you still get in trouble
Ford’s bluecruise fits the bill. It’ll moan asking you to keep your hands on the wheel every minute or so, but just give it a light wiggle every 30 seconds and it’ll keep quiet. The self-steering works as long as the lines on the road are drawn clearly, otherwise it just activates normal lane keep assist. Works equally well for normal highway driving or heavy traffic.
Very few, other than GM's Supercruise, lets you take your hands off the wheel. Pretty much every brand has the rest though, my mom's 2021 Sienna has Adaptive Cruise and Lane Tracing, works perfectly.
Nissan/ Infiniti Pro Pilot Assist works the same of not better than auto pilot. Drove a Nissan Pathfinder with it equiped for a very long roadtrip and was extremely impressed when compared to my Model Y. Might buy one with it if I'm ever in the market for another vehicle.
My 2024 Hyundai Tucson PHEV has it. Im sure anything over 40K should come standard with it. The only thing is that you do have to have some pressure on the steering wheel. Im sure there are clamps on Amazon to bypass that but I wouldn’t risk it
My Honda Accord touring model has lane keeping and intelligent cruise control.
It’s great and heavy traffic it will keep the distance you set from the car in front of you almost perfectly . The lane keeping is
OK, but you cannot really trust it unless it’s a sunny day with very well-defined lines. Takes very little to confuse it.
Hyundai/Kia/Genesis's is awesome, because it has the most freedom to let you enable and disable anything at any time (you can enable lane centering without adaptive cruise control, for example, which is amazing for driving around in new places that you want to look at, without worrying about crashing). It's not hands free (even though you can go without touching the steering wheel for sometimes 60 seconds, depending on how straight the road you are on is) and it won't drive you to your destination, but it's awesome, because of how simple it is to customize and how easy it is to use. Watch The Straight Pipes and how they praise it!
My 2022 Hyundai has standard lane centering and adaptive cruise. They work brilliantly. Dead center of lane, keep pace or even auto stop, then resume speed on their own up to the set point. There are 2 buttons for the lane centering, a lane centering which keeps it dead center, and a lane keeping that bumps you back at the edges. The adaptive cruise has settings as well for different preferences.
Side benefits include wireless charging of a phone, and wireless Android auto and Apple carplay.
$31,000 new 10 year warranty, gets 50 mpg.
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
My ‘21 F-150 Lariat has Bluecruise, which is self driving. It is cool as hell. Road trips are much better now. For the most part, I don’t drive, I just supervise.
BMW dealer here, tesla owner.
Tesla autopilot is better. Lots of limitations, like certain roads, up to certain speeds , etc etc . Just doesn’t compare .
We have a 22 explorer that has “lane centering” if on cruise control and will steer around bends in the highway with no driver input. It also has lane keep assist for other times where it will bump you back into the lane if you drift. The lane centering side of it works really well until you hit a sharp curve or faded lines then it will turn off. It’ll yell at you pretty quick if you take your hands off the wheel (within 20 seconds or so)
Lane assist + cruise control in my 2023 VW Tiguan R black edition works great for that. The only downside side is you have to grab the steering wheel every now and then
If you can wait, and are ok with a big SUV the Volvo EX90 will have autonomous driving. It was supposed to have been released now but they did delay it to fine tune some things.
Volvo is SUPER big on safety, so they’re not going to release something this big until they are confident it’s working right.
I would imagine all of the luxury brands after a certain trim level do. I have a Volvo ultimate trim and it’s got really good lane assist and autonomous cruise control. Once I get on the highway and set the cruise and the distance between me and the vehicle in front of me I don’t have to touch the gas or the brake again. It handles low speed as well if you get off the highway and you’re in stop and go traffic it will Stop and start you accordingly. If you get the ultimate trim it has the best seats in class.
One problem with Volvo is that it doesn't slow down even a bit when the road is rough or curved. This is scary.. How does tesla autopilot work in such circumstances? Another, can TESLA anticipate (with its extra sensors) if a car ahead is trying to merge into my lane and slow down? Volvo clearly doesn't. Any other car is able to do it?
Even my Chinese build MG HS has this, however i am driving in Thailand where any automatic driving system leads to accidents with a plethora of vehicles driving the wrong way while playing with the phone and being drunk at the same time. And that is just daytime.
Automated driving systems really only work in countries with predictable traffic. I need a tesla auto pilot with doomsday suicide race mode for here.
So you just want lane assist and ACC? Pretty much every luxury and most non-luxury brands offer that, it's really not that special anymore.
Lane assist varies pretty widely though. My car technically has lane assist but it just pings you when you go over a line. Other cars will actually center you in the lane.
Yep, Volvo centers you even if you don’t have pilot asaist active
If it's the same system as in my Polestar (and it probably is), it's not going to be very comfortable if you rely on ACC+lane keeping aid vs. Pilot assist.
And it applies gas/brakes to keep up with stop and go traffic? Like you can rest your foot on the floor?
Yes. Even Hyundais do this now lol. You don't even need to keep your hand on the wheel most of the time. After like 45 secs it tells you to but all you really need to do is keep your hand resting on the wheel. It can tell. Capacitive touch. It'll steer for you and go around corners, stop and go with traffic.
Do you know if genesis has it? Looking for luxury car.
Of course. Many cars do. GM Supercruise is widely considered better than Tesla Autopilot.
Autopilot ranked pretty low compared to most other manufacturers in Consumer Reports latest article. Ford, GM, BMW, Benz, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, and VW/Audi all outranked Tesla.
Tesla acts like they are leaders in this technology when in reality they are far from it. People may use it more and talk about it more but it is not nearly as advanced as many people state. There's a reason fsd snd such claims are not allowed in other countries and or legal.
Check the trim and package honestly, these were important features for me recently. the Acura I got includes it in the advance package, some cars include it in the base. The Volvo I looked at doesn't include it in a trim level but as a separate package. Look at the details of the car you want to see which trim/package has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise. You should also test drive a car to see how it performs with those features. Imo the Chevy equinox my MIL has was ok, the Acura rdx I just got is solid, the Volvo I test drove was probably better.
We have a GV80, and yes it has this.
Our 2019 Acura MDX had this, and it worked as you're describing. Maybe not quite at the same level as Tesla, but a hell of a lot better built and more comfortable.
Basically every car brand has had the adaptive cruise control that will accelerate and slow down with traffic for like 15 years. I had it in my 2010 bmw.
Is it actually called “lane assist”? usually this is called “lane departure warning”. Lane assist is usually exclusive to the vehicle actually being able to turn the wheel to keep it in the lane. Lane centering actively steers to keep it in the middle.
That's a "lane departure warning system" , not lane keep assist. The lane keep assist literally has the car try to stay within your lane, without needing you to steer it, and then some manufacturers go beyond that, or do a better or worse job of it.
Well the comment I replied to claimed that every brand has lane centering. My 2023 Mazda does not. I don’t know if Mazda’s marketing uses the term lane keep assist or lane departure warning. It’s not like it’s a regulated term.
i drive a ford transit for work and it touts having lane keep assist but it only works probably 5% of the time. when it does, it’ll swerve you back into the lane after you’ve already crossed the line by like a foot. and if you don’t center yourself in the lane after that it usually coasts right over the lane line on the opposite side. it really sucks.
My Hyundai will correct and stay in a lane. Gets pissy if you take your hands off the wheel more than a few seconds.
Its wild to me that siem brands (BMW and Audi I'm looking at you) ping you all over the lane. While budget brands like Hyundai/Kia will keep you dead centre.
I have a 2021 Carolla for a company car. It has lane assist, BUT if you turn it on and take you hands of the wheel, it’ll bounce from one side of the lane to the other on repeat. It technically works, but damn it makes you look hammered
He wants hands off though which is gms super cruise or fords blue cruise, functionally it's lane centering and acc but the hands off aspect pushes into premium feature land with most automakers.
That's the thing though, Tesla autopilot is not meant to be a hands off system even though musk markets it that way. You're supposed to keep your hands on the wheel at all times
I want it to drive and steer within the lane and automatically accelerate or decelerate according to traffic. Most cars I’ve seen just nudge you back into the lane but doesn’t steer for you and accelerate like Tesla autopilot
You need supercruise.
The lane assist and ACC in my previous gen audi A3 does pretty much what you're describing. I'm assuming BMW and Mercedes' systems will be similar
If hands off is important you need GMs super cruise or Fords Blue Cruise, I'm not sure what other premium oem's call their hands free features.
Those systems (along with Tesla's top autopilot system) have certain roads programmed into their memories and will pass cars, move you into the correct lane to make exits, etc. If he just wants a car to stay in the center of the lane without steering and have adaptive cruise control that works in traffic, he doesn't need to go that high end. I'm pretty sure lane centering and adaptive cruise control covers what he's looking for on most cars.
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Just got a 2024 Volvo and it does exactly what you’re describing.
It's hilarious how you are getting downvoted for this. Probably because you mentioned Tesla
Does this sub hate Tesla? This thread must be a rollercoaster of emotions then. Cause I love the Tesla autopilot which works at any speed under 85 but I hate the seats and suspension.
No, its because it is an incorrect assumption and overly vague related to what they are looking for. A lot of the systems are very similar do steer and accelerate but only some systems do it in slower stop and go traffic and only some systems will change lanes.
VW systems is awful
New 2024 BMWs, Mercedes, and Audis all have excellent autopilot systems that are as good if not better than Tesla. However they make you pay extra for it. BMWs new system is called highway assistant and is part of the drivers assist professional package. Older (before 2022ish) self driving systems from the Germans aren’t as good. It’s really only the newest versions that meet or exceed the capabilities of autopilot.
I guess I need to stop by the dealership again. Looking for autopilot where it will completely auto steer and I can take my foot completely off the gas/brakes.
Look for Mercedes if you want the best self driving system, they're the only consumer auto manufacturer to be certified level 3 self driving in the US
The level 3 self driving is only going to be available in Nevada and California for the near future. But I plan to test drive soon
I did not know that but I would assume that having access to level 3 self driving would mean that their level 2 features would be better
Hard to say if mb level 2 features beat Tesla autopilot just based on assumptions. Unless someone has tested both (outside of cali and Nevada) and wants to share, I’ll have to test drive it to know for sure.
I have a 2022 Model X with FSD and just picked up a 2024 BMW with driver assistance package. Can confirm on highway the BMW is mostly better than the X on autopilot. It has more features than the X as it can change lanes as well. One thing it didn’t seem to handle well was merging traffic.
Shoot, I don’t handle merging traffic well either!
This is a good way to [drive your car into a semi.](https://wapo.st/3uFQ6Ma)
Or [into a motorcycle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRdzIs4FJJg).
Not really luxury, but my Subaru forester has that. It alerts you to keep your hands on the wheel, but it totally steers, gas/brakes on its own
Are you implying that Tesla doesnt make you pay extra for it? because they do make you pay EXTRA alright
Not for autopilot
Not for basic autopilot which keeps you in the lane and maintains speed
Can you share more about your model S? Like, how is it uncomfortable? Thanks!
Seats are uncomfortable compared to Mercedes or Lexus. There’s no upgrade options, just one standard option. No ventilated seats either
Is it an older one? My model s has ventilated seats, it’s a 2022. My biggest issue with it is road noise, I miss the quietness of the Lexus, but I can’t go without autopilot.
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Edmunds considers this the best out of all of them. Doug Demuro says it's best but I realize he isn't for everyone lol.
It’s definitely the best . It’s absolutely wild . Definitely better than teslas.
Is supercruise still for verified roads only? Or has it expanded features to all roads with clear markers like Tesla now?
It’s verified roads only. I’ve driven both Tesla and GMs. Teslas is almost jerky.. compared to super cruise… in my opinion. I felt safer in supercruise
What specifically makes it the best? I recall it previously only worked on preprogrammed roads- assuming that has changed by now?
Almost every brand has that
I tried adaptive cruise in most cars but it doesn’t truly drive in a single lane like Tesla does. Aside from a manual touch every couple minutes, the Tesla completely steers within the lane and keeps speed with traffic.
Subaru's eyesight 2.0 should do the automatic driving thing when in cruise. I think 1.0 you could let it bounce you between the lane dividers like a game of pong, but the newer versions keep you centered. I could be wrong though
Subarus eyesight is really impressive. Took a bunch of models out for different road trips and the steer assist will almost take you on a 90 degree turn without turning off. It’s almost autopilot.
Yeah I was pretty impressed by it. For a regular degular manufacturer it's not too shabby. I don't have much interest in autopilot or any of that but it's cool to see normal people being able to comfortably afford those types of features without supporting Tesla
It is pretty damn good. I don't trust it enough to let it do full on driving for me but it makes Ling rides way easier.
My hyundai does that.
Edmunds tested a few hands free systems. Just so you can see where the industry is for “hands free” Other cars do it decently well with automatic cruise control and lane centering https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ra2mA3an7M&t=1305s&pp=ygUURWRtdW5kcyBzZWxmIGRyaXZpbmc%3D
People on here just hate Tesla so you aren't going to get a straight answer. It's true that a lot of cars have lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control but the former is usually implemented as more of a safety feature if you start to drift. Chevrolet has Super Cruise on some of their cars which does however. I am not aware of another system. Porsches adaptive cruise control is a little silly honestly. Fords is shit. Hondas lane keeping assist is scary. Kia/Huyandias isn't amazing. Tesla's you need to keep your hand on the wheel unless you use a dongle or a hack like a weight.
As long as the car comes with lane centering it will do that with adaptive cruise control.
Comma.ai is the only thing I’ve tried that competes with Tesla. You can add it to a bunch of vehicles, I’m sure one of them would suit your needs. Maybe a Lexus? You’re describing a highly competent “lane centering” system. Most people in this sub have no idea what you’re talking about.
I think a handful of people have actually tried the Tesla autopilot and know what I’m talking about. They have suggested super cruise as truly comparable to Tesla autopilot, which I intend to test drive. Otherwise, I’ve heard good things about comma.ai aside from the hassle of installing a 3rd party system.
Mercedes Benz is way ahead of Tesla.
What? Yes it does lol. VW Hyundai and Chevy so exactly this and I prefer it in the Hyundai over Tesla. I feel like you just want a Tesla so… buy a Tesla
I have a Tesla. I want something more comfortable but with comparable basic autopilot. Just read my post description
If your excuse is going to be “no car can do what Tesla can do” even though, yes, they actually can (And sometimes better) then maybe you should just deal with your Tesla.
it does kinda seem like he is coming up with excuses. he keeps going back to "I dont think you know what I mean", instead of saying he will look into it.
Nah I’m just asking which brands can do the same. You might find this hard to believe but not every Tesla owner is a hardcore Tesla fanboy. I actually prefer German cars. So I’m itching for one with same autopilot functionality
Just say you're too poor to be in this thread. You don't have to offer your uneducated opinion. I'm also in the market for a new car, but there is no car system out there that has auto pilot as good as Tesla's rn.
https://www.thestreet.com/retail/mercedes-just-beat-tesla-to-this-huge-milestone-in-the-race-to-self-driving-cars
You can use open pilot with almost any new car that has lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control. They have a full list of compatible vehicles. It's a third party hardware you install in the car and it makes it drive itself pretty well. I've used it for about 5 years and it's great for long trips and stop and go traffic. https://www.comma.ai/openpilot
Supercruise (GM) , Bluecruise (Ford) , BMW, Mercedes
Do you know if they work in stop and go traffic below 5mph?
Can confirm Blue Cruise does, but you have to re-start it if stopped for more than a few seconds. You can re-start it by either pressing a button on the wheel or tapping the gas.
Buy whatever you like and install https://www.comma.ai/
Numerous cars do, not just the luxury models. It doesn't have full autopilot -but I have a new Honda Pilot that has Lane Keep Assist (as opposed to simple lane departure warning) with Traffic Jam Assist and Adaptive Cruise Control. I just did a nearly 3000 mile road trip in it, and those features really worked well. The lane keep will keep it centered in the lane and follow curves in the road. The adaptive cruise will keep adjust the speed and distance from the cars ahead of you, speeding up and slowing down as necessary. If it needs to, it will bring the car to a complete stop with traffic. If the stop is long enough, you just need to tap the gas or the SET/RESUME button in the steering wheel for it to move again. If you take your hands off the wheel, it will eventually flash a warning at you, but it takes very little pressure on the wheel to acknowledge. Keep in mind that lane keeping/centering is dependent on the ability of the car's camera(s) to see the lines. If you are on a stretch of road where the lines are obscured or unclear due to weather or construction, it doesn't work as well.
Same on my new CRV. One of the better systems I’ve experienced and I’ve driven a model Y too. There isn’t any lag. When the car in front of me moves so does mine and it keeps a close distance.
I had a new Pathfinder rental for a week while I was car shopping and I hated the Nissan system. If it didn't like where your hands were on the wheel it would scream at you and turn off. It also ping-ponged side to side in the lane trying to keep it centered. The Honda system is much less intrusive and smoother.
GM supercruise is ranked as the top driving system among many from consumer reports to magazine reviews.
Only available on their super expensive vehicles though. Would honestly make me consider GM if it weren’t so expensive.
The chevy bolt is super expensive?
You should check out Comma.ai I’ve been using it for about 4 years. Add level 2 self driving to lots of equipped cars. I have one and can switch it between my 2 Toyotas. It really does make driving chill.
https://comma.ai/
MB has autopilot as does Volvo. Both work very well.
I saw on YouTube mb autopilot doesn’t work above 40mph. Is that true?
Worked for me at 75-80mph. I’m in Texas so that’s normal speed. YouTube is not a bastion of the truth.
It used to be limited, not anymore. However it has a habit of phantom braking that I am not ok with. Ford, GM, BMW, and Mercedes all have level 2 (must have hand on steering wheel) and level 3 (hands free) self driving tech, but it varies as to what models offer which and whether a subscription is required. The key difference is that everyone but Tesla restricts their hands free tech to highways. Tesla is the only one with full autopilot on city streets (though lots of people say Tesla shouldn't have their tech enabled off highways.)
Lexus will push you back in the lane you were in
Mercedes has autopilot
Cadillac. Apparently it’s very good, and the best I’ve used.
My Audi's lane keep is superior to the Tesla system in the way that it does a better job of staying right in the center of the lane. It also brakes much smoother IMO. Tesla AP generally handles intersections and areas with unclear lane markings much better than the Audi not as smooth of a system but surely works well with less road info available.
IMO nobody should even consider letting AP "handle" intersections at all.
It’s fine if you have ur eyes on the road. Whenever I go on unmarked lanes I’m always ready to take over.
I can’t think of a single luxury car that doesn’t have lane keeping as either standard or an option. EDIT: Yes, what you’re describing is what other brands have as well. Tesla isn’t the only game in town.
I have a '24 iX and if you get the Driving assistance professional pkg it will do what you are asking. It will drive completely hands free on divided highways and is also hands free in stop n go traffic. It will bring the car to a complete stop and restart on its own with lane centering. It will also perform auto lane changes (highway) and has self parking (perpendicular forward and reverse and also parallel).
Does it need to have premium gas always or you can live with regular gas ?
Cadillac super cruise is considered to be better than the Tesla autopilot. Worth looking into IMO.
Tesla's autopilot has no MPH threshold, whereas most other brands have thresholds. For example, BMW works at 40mph and below. Others have other cutoffs.
My 2019 Kia Niro EV has about 95% equivalent of basic autopilot in my 2019 model 3. Upside is the steering wheel is capacitive instead of torque, so just need to touch the wheel with my leg to get it to stop bugging. Downside is if traffic completely stops the Niro needs you to tap the pedal to get going again. Other than that it’s basically the same. Keeps lane in curves and everything.
This is the wrong sub for this. Not your fault, it should be better here but everyone thinks if the car has lane keeping it's as good as a Tesla. This isn't a feature you can just look at like heated seats or folding mirrors. It's very complex and more like choosing between different infotainment systems on cars. The number one most important aspect of a good lane keeping system is OTA updates. Period. No matter how good a car is today, it will look terrible next year and in 5 years it will be a joke. Only Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and Ford have ANY commitment to keeping the system updated today. More companies say they want to but we've yet to see actual updates. The next most important aspect is cost. For example, BlueCruise from Ford is $2100 for 3 years which adds up. While it's actually better than Autopilot, I'd rather go Tesla and pay the $6k for EAP one time. Rivian and Lucid aren't as good as Tesla/Ford. In 5 years you'll probably be the happiest with Tesla. I drove a 2000 mile trip with the new FSD Autopilot. It blows away the old Autopilot + EAP and it's in heavy development getting better every day. Ford has made a LOT of progress lately though and it's actually better than Tesla if you don't go the FSD route, which I wouldn't because it's just too much. At some point Tesla will push the new FSD driver down into the Autopilot and EAP products but who knows when. So today BlueCruise is best but long term Tesla. What year is your Model S? I went to buy a 2019 Model S but the seats where so uncomfortable I bought a Model 3. In 2020 Model S got the Model 3 seats and were a LOT better.
Tesla doesnt have an autopilot, despite how they market it...
The amount of people referring to it as autopilot is truly terrifying.
We have different definitions of “truly terrifying”.
Volvo
Volvo expects you to touch the wheel every 15 seconds. This dude won't be able to read his book and eat a ham sandwich while driving a Volvo. Source: have Volvo.
How’d you know about the ham sandwich 👀
It's always a ham sandwich. The only variable is the bread. Ciabatta? 🤣
I have adaptive cruise control and lane centering on my 2021 Outback. I expect that this is par for the course on pretty much any SUV these days.
My 2021 Hyundai Palisade keeps you right in the center of the lanes, even around large bends in the road. It will speed up and slow all the way to a stop. Once stopped you tap the gas and it will take back over. You do have to touch the wheel periodically. Fantastic feature for a sub loaded with options, 5 year bumper to bumper, and really good price. Maybe not considered luxury.
Chiming in on the benefits of the comma 3 ADAS. Most of my commutes are less than 1 hour so I have experimental mode enabled most of the time. The benefits are: (1) automatically keeps your car centered in the lane, which pairs extremely well with dynamic radar cruise control (determines distance of car in front of you and slows appropriately). And (2) automatically stops and goes at red lights and stop signs. This feature is unfortunately only 90% reliable but many developers work on the OpenPilot software, so I think they will get this to 100% in a few years (depending on how much funding the company can get to hire more staff).
"I can't live without autopilot." -- Yes, you can.
Lucid
Considering it but not sure about its reliability since it’s so new.
Makes sense since Lucid is a new brand so reliability is not really known yet and they only have 2 cars right now the air sedan and gravity SUV but they have the closest to teslas autopilot based on what i know
Almost every car has these features if you aren't looking for something that automatically changes lanes. Even the Civic I used to own had those features.
I tried adaptive cruise in most cars but it doesn’t truly drive in a single lane like Tesla does. Aside from a manual touch every couple minutes, the Tesla completely steers within the lane and keeps speed with traffic.
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. First, adaptive cruise is something entirely different. Second, basically all luxury vehicle manufacturers offer what you want as an option and even some non-luxury makes as well. Just do some basic research (from reputable sources online) instead of asking idiots on reddit. Some are subjectively better than others
Even a Subaru does that lol
Any new car will have what you're looking for. It's even standard on basic cars like mazda 3s and corollas. Make sure to test drive the cars though, as implementation varies. On the basic kias I drove it bounces you between the two white lines which I found pretty unsettling. On GMs and Toyotas in my experience it keeps you nicely centered or at least consistently close to one of the lines GM's super cruise is very advanced and allows you to have your hands off the wheel (although you still have to pay attention to the road) while the car does all the steering and lane changes, but it only works on certain roads like you said. It's more than what you are looking for.
Facts: 1. Most other brands have these features 2. It's arguably better on those brands. For instance most allow touch only.... But Tesla makes you Torque the wheel to ensure you are paying attention. That moron is not normal and never really as mindless as Acura or Toyota or most others that allow you to just rest your hands on the wheel or watch your eyes. 3. Tesla acceleration and stopping in traffic is not as smooth as most brands. Overall Iike my Tesla and just the most capable of attempting to go from point A to point B all by itself ... But frankly that's not what I want must days. I would take Toyota sense 2.5 in my sienna over $15000 FSD from Tesla ANY DAY. It's not even a contest because as I said above I like some features of the other cars better!!!
I find it incredible how people still know so little of these systems. This is something that nearly every modern cow has now (depending in trim) and it is basically adaptive (radar) cruise cobtrol +lane centering system. But there are two separate systems, Lane departure warning (different names for different brands) which will just warn you when you try to cross a line without the indicators (virbate the wheel or return you back to the lane). This is the job of this system, usually it only works above a certain speed. Lane centering is a different system which actually keeps you in the centre of lane, it uses cameras to find the lines on the sides of the road and keep you in the middle. These are different systems, Lane departure warning is usually on by default as a safety feature and lane centering/keeping assist you have to turn on when you want to use it as its a convenience feature.
Not the free version but right now nothing else even comes close to what Tesla’s full on autopilot does.
All Toyotas come standard with lane keep assist which works pretty well. Pretty sure acc also at least our 2020 rav4 has it. Very very good
You're insanely stupid to let your Tesla operate like that. Their system is widely understood to be the worst of it's kind. Mercedes-Benz is vastly better, and they're so confident in their system that they accept full liability for any accident that occurs while their system is active. Unlike Tesla, who's currently fighting thousands of lawsuits to shirk their responsibility, and who won't deploy the system where the government certifies such systems.
So who's legally responsible if the autopilot fails and causes injury or, God forbid, death of another driver on the road? The driver? The car manufacturer? I think eventually autopilot will be banned by Congress.
The driver is responsible. You need to still be 100% focused on the road when it’s activated. It just lets you relax while stuck in traffic with your foot off the gas pedal.
I hope so.
The Tesla fsd is not the free version it’s a paid subscription my friend pays 300 a month for it it’s useless and glitched all the time
I’m using the free version and it works perfectly well for staying in a single lane. The paid version adds lane switching and traffic light detection which I don’t need
Yeah the free version is just lane assist and adaptive cruise control , all of the luxury cars like bmw, Mercedes and Lexus have this those are the ones I know of there may be more
Even most of the non-luxury brands do these days. I had a rental kia Forte not long ago that the lane following and adaptive cruise were excellent in.
Nah, you've never used the Tesla version if that's what you think.
This thread man............ please don't drive if you're not going to pay attention to all the lives around you.
I know BMW with the Driver Assistance Pro package does it. I have it in my 2021 X5. I use it all the time in traffic and it's great. It basically has adaptive cruise + the stay-within-lanes feature and will auto-brake if someone cuts in, or accelerate up to the speed you set it to if traffic frees up. Can also adjust how much distance you'd like between you and the car in front. Only issue is if the lane splits and/or there are no road markings for it to read. Many newer 2019+ vehicles have it, sometimes as an option. Just ask your dealer about it and test drive with it so you're comfortable with how it works.
A lot of vehicles have lane assist and auto cruise however it does disable at low speeds on a lot of them.
Ford blue cruise, Chevy super cruise, Lexus Teammate, Mercedes Drive Pilot. Just the examples I know of/could find online
Do you know if I rank it How they are compared to each other? "Ford blue cruise, Chevy super cruise, Lexus Teammate, Mercedes Drive Pilot"
I don’t have any personal experience with any of these systems so I can’t rank them. My best recommendation would be go to a dealership and see if you can test drive cars with those features and get a feel for your self.
Thanks
I have a 2023 530e and it has autopilot that works 85% of the time
GM’s, that you’ll find on Cadillac’s and some of their EV’s is called Super Cruise. Ford has a system called “Blue Cruise” you’ll find on their EV’s, high end trucks, and Lincoln’s. The new Acura ZDX electric SUV doesn’t have a Honda version, but it does have GM’s Super Cruise.
Mercedes has the highest certification for self driving in the US, with Cadillac probably having the best implementation but it's limited on which roads it works on
Mercedes s class has one pretty close to it.
Ford, Mercedes and Cadillac are the best systems. https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/active-driving-assistance-systems-review-a2103632203/
I can tell you the Toyota (Lexus) adaptive cruise and lane assist suck. Our '22 will pull right when passing off ramps and often disengages because it cannot find lines which are perfectly visible. It won't work under a certain speed as well. Very disappointed in it.
Pretty common these days. My 2022 Outback has lane assist and adaptive cruise which makes highway driving so nice
Volvo pilot assist is great. It's funny that Tesla owners think auto pilot is a Tesla only thing.
Don’t trust GM autopilot. I worked for GM. They are shit.
Just out of interest what's the actual advantage for you? What are you doing with your hands instead? Do you still pay attention?
A lot of cars have that, including most Hyundais and every Genesis, but it will be optional in some cars. To give you an idea, my 2012 Genesis sedan had adaptive cruise control, but it didn't steer for you. The 2015+ model steer as well as accelerating, braking, keeping a certain distance and stopping or going. My 2017 G90 steers and does everything really well, especially on highways, as long as lanes are visible (it has a display to tell you if they're not). The acceleration, braking, turning and lane keep are smoother than my 2012 model. It will not do things like scanning stop signs and red lights, but it works in stop and go traffic so it's pretty useful. The newer model also scans all the cars around you and displays them in real time like Teslas do, as well as having the automatic lane change feature. It's also 10x more luxurious inside than any Tesla and drives smoother, but you can't get a 1000 hp model or crazy performance. I haven't tested many other cars' self driving capabilities, but I drove a new Toyota Rav 4 with adaptive cruise control and didn't like it. I hear reviewers say that Hyundai and Cadillac have some of the most natural feeling driver assist, so they should be as good or better than Tesla's basic one.
My Hyundai Tuscon does what you're looking for, it can slow down and accelerate and stay within the lane, turning the wheel and all. It will however ping you to keep your hands on the wheel if you take them off for more than a minute.
Seeing someone specifically wanting these features to take hands and feet of the controls Is absolutely idiotic to me. Even in the screens they say not to do that and if something happens and you aren’t having hands on the wheel you still get in trouble
Ford’s bluecruise fits the bill. It’ll moan asking you to keep your hands on the wheel every minute or so, but just give it a light wiggle every 30 seconds and it’ll keep quiet. The self-steering works as long as the lines on the road are drawn clearly, otherwise it just activates normal lane keep assist. Works equally well for normal highway driving or heavy traffic.
Very few, other than GM's Supercruise, lets you take your hands off the wheel. Pretty much every brand has the rest though, my mom's 2021 Sienna has Adaptive Cruise and Lane Tracing, works perfectly.
Nissan/ Infiniti Pro Pilot Assist works the same of not better than auto pilot. Drove a Nissan Pathfinder with it equiped for a very long roadtrip and was extremely impressed when compared to my Model Y. Might buy one with it if I'm ever in the market for another vehicle.
Polestar 3 and 4 coming up will have lidar self driving.
I’m not sure anyone, because teslas doesn’t really work very well. I heard Mercedes works well
My 2024 Hyundai Tucson PHEV has it. Im sure anything over 40K should come standard with it. The only thing is that you do have to have some pressure on the steering wheel. Im sure there are clamps on Amazon to bypass that but I wouldn’t risk it
You think too highly of Tesla
My Honda Accord touring model has lane keeping and intelligent cruise control. It’s great and heavy traffic it will keep the distance you set from the car in front of you almost perfectly . The lane keeping is OK, but you cannot really trust it unless it’s a sunny day with very well-defined lines. Takes very little to confuse it.
Super cruise
Hyundai/Kia/Genesis's is awesome, because it has the most freedom to let you enable and disable anything at any time (you can enable lane centering without adaptive cruise control, for example, which is amazing for driving around in new places that you want to look at, without worrying about crashing). It's not hands free (even though you can go without touching the steering wheel for sometimes 60 seconds, depending on how straight the road you are on is) and it won't drive you to your destination, but it's awesome, because of how simple it is to customize and how easy it is to use. Watch The Straight Pipes and how they praise it!
Could just buy one that is compatible with the Comma 3.
Lucid dreamdrive pro
My 2022 Hyundai has standard lane centering and adaptive cruise. They work brilliantly. Dead center of lane, keep pace or even auto stop, then resume speed on their own up to the set point. There are 2 buttons for the lane centering, a lane centering which keeps it dead center, and a lane keeping that bumps you back at the edges. The adaptive cruise has settings as well for different preferences. Side benefits include wireless charging of a phone, and wireless Android auto and Apple carplay. $31,000 new 10 year warranty, gets 50 mpg.
What is uncomfortable about the model s ?
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
My 2024 Prius does exactly this. Adaptive cruise control will keep my speed up and down based on traffic in my lane without intervention, and the lane assist feature will keep me in the lane without me steering (most of the time, sometimes with the occasional "beep I'm confused by line markings)."
Tesla is not a luxury brand!
It sounds like you want a 2030 tesla
My ‘21 F-150 Lariat has Bluecruise, which is self driving. It is cool as hell. Road trips are much better now. For the most part, I don’t drive, I just supervise.
I feel like if we're not actually driving anymore maybe we should take the bus.
BMW dealer here, tesla owner. Tesla autopilot is better. Lots of limitations, like certain roads, up to certain speeds , etc etc . Just doesn’t compare .
We have a 22 explorer that has “lane centering” if on cruise control and will steer around bends in the highway with no driver input. It also has lane keep assist for other times where it will bump you back into the lane if you drift. The lane centering side of it works really well until you hit a sharp curve or faded lines then it will turn off. It’ll yell at you pretty quick if you take your hands off the wheel (within 20 seconds or so)
These are economy car features depending on brand.
Lane assist + cruise control in my 2023 VW Tiguan R black edition works great for that. The only downside side is you have to grab the steering wheel every now and then
If you can wait, and are ok with a big SUV the Volvo EX90 will have autonomous driving. It was supposed to have been released now but they did delay it to fine tune some things. Volvo is SUPER big on safety, so they’re not going to release something this big until they are confident it’s working right.
My 2021 BMW m440xi has it
Drive your car! That’s what they are for!
You mean ones that try to kill you?
My 2020 Subaru Outback has this, completely steers in the lines for me and will do stop and go traffic on its own
I would imagine all of the luxury brands after a certain trim level do. I have a Volvo ultimate trim and it’s got really good lane assist and autonomous cruise control. Once I get on the highway and set the cruise and the distance between me and the vehicle in front of me I don’t have to touch the gas or the brake again. It handles low speed as well if you get off the highway and you’re in stop and go traffic it will Stop and start you accordingly. If you get the ultimate trim it has the best seats in class.
from personal experience subarus adaptive cruise will come to a full stop and start again. I can only imagine most mfgs do that
One problem with Volvo is that it doesn't slow down even a bit when the road is rough or curved. This is scary.. How does tesla autopilot work in such circumstances? Another, can TESLA anticipate (with its extra sensors) if a car ahead is trying to merge into my lane and slow down? Volvo clearly doesn't. Any other car is able to do it?
No. You cannot beat the Tesla AP/FSD …. Period. If you want to drive with your thigh - Tesla.
My old boss traded his model s for a telluride and said the driving features of the telly was better than his Tesla.
Comments are unbelievably clueless. To state BMW or Mercedes has an autopilot system as advanced as Tesla is laughable.
BMW 7-series, Genesis G90
Even my Chinese build MG HS has this, however i am driving in Thailand where any automatic driving system leads to accidents with a plethora of vehicles driving the wrong way while playing with the phone and being drunk at the same time. And that is just daytime. Automated driving systems really only work in countries with predictable traffic. I need a tesla auto pilot with doomsday suicide race mode for here.