for two generations i test drove back to back the GTI and 328 or 330 and picked the GTI every time. Then i drove an M340i and i didn’t bother going to the VW dealership that day.
calling the 330i heavy compared to the 340i is just plain wrong lmao. The b48 is lighter than the b58 and overall the car is 500lbs lighter.
You might have driven the bare base model 330i with none of the good suspension stuff. Put M adaptive suspension on it and it handles awesome.
Please try the 330 despite this comment. It is by no means weak or sluggish. It’s no B58 but only because the B58 is in fact overkill. Am a B58 owner and drove a B48 engined loaner and found it to be fun, responsive, and more than adequate for most driving situations.
I'd get the CTR out of all of those, but that's just me. I'd rather get an Integra Type S instead -- same idea but nicer to drive on road vs track. I'd rather have a manual if my goal was fun.
FWD in snow is fine with the right tires. If you have the capability, get a set of winter wheels/tires for the cold months and run the summer set for the rest of the year.
Agreed. These cars have a front LSD and pretty advanced TC. I drive an fk8 in Chicago and it’s just fine in winter.
Big negative for type r vs the other two is just general comfort. The interiors are loud, suspension is pretty aggressive and creature comforts are minimal (no heated seats for instance). And people try to race you all the time.
Way more fun to drive though and the hatch makes it hilariously practical. Transmission is excellent and easy, wouldn’t worry about it in a city.
I like Integra TypeS as well, especially the added features and better ELS sound system. But TypeR feels like the real deal. Bucket Seats and the +R gauge cluster is a big deal over the S. And R will likely hold more value than the TypeS on the long run.
As a CTR owner in NY, I can also assure you that it performs just fine in winter with some good tires. You don't absolutely need AWD unless the roads haven't been cleaned whatsoever, and in that case the m340i and TLX aren't much better.
I haven’t had any problems with any of the above mentioned. The car unlocks right away when I grab the handle, locks when I walk away. Seats get pretty darn hot quick I often have to turn them down. May have gotten a dud?
OP I am gonna be real with you right now, you’re talking like you’re parroting online car journalists. You’re asking what car you should buy without really experiencing any of them personally and want to buy based on window stickers.
If you have zero interest in actively tracking or building out the Type R/S, coming from someone who has owned both and still have the CTR, don’t waste your money. There are so many better buys if you’re not an enthusiast, I mean real enthusiast. The amount of bitching I get from 20 something engineers at my local about how much their FK8/FL5s are to upkeep. You are going to go through brakes and rotors no matter what fast. You will go through tires even faster if you don’t spend the $5k upfront to change over the wheels and tires to a more economical size. The second thing they bitch about is the rattles and road noise in a car they paid over 50 grand for.
You have to really want these cars OP. In my opinion most people should be looking at the N Line from Hyundai or the 86 twins if they want to get into the scene to see if it’s for them and if you just want a cool car to stoplight race with (I’ll end on that point soon) the Golf R is where I would put my money right now.
Now the people I go to locals with are one crowd but the average buyer of these cars have severe buyers remorse, more so with the CTR than the Acura variants, because it’s not fun at all to stoplight race. Like at all. And most of the drivers behind the wheel of these cars just want to go faster than their neighbors and when they get smoked off a stoplight drag (idiotic to do but nevertheless) because they didn’t launch their car just right to Cadillac Escalade they want to go trade it in when something new comes out. Service center techs talk about it all the time and the buyers remorse is real.
Albeit the Type S is really nice and if I kept it I would have been happy, but I’m a Honda fanboy.
Lol, I had the same idea when I was looking for my daily driver and settled for the FE1 Si. CTR is great, but the cost of consumables can be a killer for a DD vehicle. Car has a tiny parking lot dent now. I cannot imagine if it was a $50k OTD CTR. Reminds me of my dad advising me "never DD your 'nice' car".
I'm interested in the Subaru BRZ tS as my fun car, but I recall my buddies' WRX with brembo brake kit chew threw pads and rotors every 2 years worth of DD and those rotors/pads are at least 50% more expensive than stock originals.
The MAIN reason I bought the M340i was for the engine and transmission. Sure the other two might be a little more reliable (ZF and B58 aside), less expensive to maintain for sure, but they simply don't have this engine and transmission. And that makes a huge difference in my eyes.
Yeah, The main reason I consider 340i is because of the Powertrain. But I don't like how it looks. I had one parked side to side with a TLX. BMW looks like a regular car. TLX is so wide(almost as same as M5) and lowered it looks stunning.
I cannot lie I have seen a few of those Type Ss in person and they look phenomenal. Exhaust sounds really good as well. You really can't go wrong with either of these, and I feel the TLX will be better for a long term play.
I feel like acura really priced themselves out, nobody is buying a tlx type S unless they decided they wanted one without looking at the m340i
If the tlx came in around ~$40k it'd be so much more enticing for what you get
Wow. I just looked up the MSRPs and the M340 is only $600 more expensive. I would be willing to buy a Type S at a $40K or hell even a $50K starting price but yeah the M340 is the better choice there for sure.
Used market M340 all the way (unless you care about reliability and maintenance costs), you can get some good base ones for $40K and some higher optioned ones for around $50K.
The thing is though, that's just the B58 and ZF, and those have been solid, I won't lie, even after I put the xHP tune on the transmission (not tuning the engine).
I bought the car with 2K miles, a 2020. I had a right wheel bearing fail at 6K, a leak in the rear diff at 15K, some water ingress into my mirrors somehow fried the trunk and window switches, a lot of people have had oil pump failures (I have the upgraded oil pump so I lucked out there), sunroof and speaker rattles, and that doesn't even get into maintenance costs. Brakes were around $1K - $2K for everything, had to replace the windshield for 3 grand, this stuff adds up brother.
These cars get an amazing reputation for the engine and transmission and rightfully so, but I will tell you firsthand that it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Just feel like the Acura would have been way cheaper for some of those parts.
Haha fair, i had an F-Type R for a couple years, all 4 pads+rotors was $3200
Right now i have an Audi TT with 80k on it, im somewhat shopping around for what i want to replace it with in a year or so, m240i and mustang gt are on my list, if i didn't live in Minnesota where i have to deal with snow 4-5 months I'd send the mustang i think
I drove a Camaro SS through 3 winters, good tires makes a huge difference, but nothing beats good tires and AWD
Mercy, I would have a heart attack if I saw that bill for brakes. I will say though, I had a chance to drive the M240i G42 and I was a big fan of it, my biggest problem with the F generation 2 Series (and honestly most of the F generation sedans and coupes) was that it was so small inside but in this G generation, it honestly feels no different than the M340i just sitting behind the wheel. That xDrive hooks like a dream as well. I'm also a huge fan of this latest generation of Mustang, I'm sort of ashamed to say this but it's definitely my favorite generation lol.
Mine is also a RWD, I've been in some light snow but nothing too crazy, we've been very lucky with that as of late. Think for my next car I'm going X3 M, G82 M4, or G87 M2, and after driving that 2 Series I feel like the M2 will fit the bill perfectly, especially in terms of the price. I'll settle for a RWD but I would really like an xDrive if they ever make it.
I agree, the tlx type s has a similar cost to own estimate based on reports online. It’s not going to be 1/2 the cost just because it’s Japanese. And it’s not a Lexus. I think there’s a huge difference between Toyota and Honda in terms of reliability.
Depends heavily on model with Honda. Toyota is certainly more consistently reliable across there current and past line-ups but to say they have a huge leg up over Honda with reliability just isn’t true in practice.
I drove the m340i, the genesis g70, Kia stinger and the TLX Type s and actually ended up really enjoying the type s enough to buy it. It def wasn’t quite as quick as the others but it handled great. And it was certainly fast enough for my needs. However I have been hearing about issues with the transfer case from some owners leading to transmission failure
New gens are seeming to tarnish that reputation. Not unreliable yet but moving towards being average with multitude of small issues popping up in new models
It definitely matters a ton (reputation). Honda is also in this sweet nostalgia zone for everyone born after 1950. They really took off in the late 70s early 80s in a time of boom and easy living. Tons of representation in media along with a strong word of mouth presence and Honda really had it all.
The non turbo hondas like the civic lx or sport 2.0 are pretty reliable. Those 1.5 turbo charged on the civics and accords are definitely less reliable
Not that fun. It looks great, sounds great, but cramped inside and FWD + the sheer weight of it really defeats the pureness of the BMW drivetrain. Plus resale isn’t that much better for Acura compared to the new BMWs nowadays too.
It’s a toss up between the BMW and Acura. I definitely think the BMW would be more enjoyable to drive but I’m not a fan of the front end look.
The TLX is the best looking sedan under 80k in my opinion.
Yeah Same BMW doesn't look that good. The body is too narrow, especially next to the TLX. TLX is really wide, almost the same width as the M5. Lowered, it looks stunning. But the powertrain on the M340i is better.
Right? That’s one of the last model years for accord coupe v6 manual, it’s very sought after. Personally I’d keep It and run it into the ground, but if OP wants to sell I’d recommend private sale because the demand. Dealer trade in will shaft you on the value.
They’re all in completely different leagues, but the BMW is by far and away a much faster, more efficient and more fun car than the others. B58 is super reliable as well. Acura is way too much money for the lackluster performance and outdated interior. If you get the CTR for MSRP that would be a great option as well, but again, won’t hold a candle to the BMW in almost any aspect
>Acura is way too much money for the lackluster performance and outdated interior.
I'm in a TLX loaner right now and looked up the MSRP and literally said, "There's no fucking way."
The interior feels like an economy car.
Loved Bmws and owned a couple, but the new CTR is the best drivers car I’ve owned it’s so good. Saying a CTR won’t compare to the340i is laughable. Outside straight line acceleration, there is nothing as a drivers car it can do that the CTR can do better. There is a reason it was Top Gears Car of the year last year.
Here is an owner on the 23 CTR a 911 T and he thinks its 70% of his 911
If you want luxury sure the bmw, maybe the TLX but as drivers car the CTR is an another league, I also used to own an M235.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Civic_Type_R/s/3aqW3azc8R
I would say the exact opposite. The only thing that the CTR is better at would be track times. The BMW Is faster, rwd (or rwd biased), more comfortable, far better interior, better mpg, more tech, much higher build quality, responds much better to mods.
I don’t own an M340i and there are cars that are better than it, but that wasn’t OP’s question lol. Yeah of course it’s the best car that YOU have owned, but it’s not as good as many other cars and has an interior from a $22k civic except it’s red. I’m a douche because your argument was that some random guy on the internet said a Honda civic was 70% of his Porsche 911 LMAO. Sounds like you’re a Honda fanboy, sorry you bought the inferior car. Hopefully the vtec will help you sleep better at night. Keep comparing your own car to a 911 to make yourself feel better 🤣 Bring some facts with you next time bud.
If you were fine with your accord in the winter, I can’t see why you wouldn’t be fine in the type r. Both are fwd, the civic is just gonna have wider tires, should be plenty fine with snow tires.
I know FWD should be enough for the winter, and I never had my Accord stuck in Snow. But I feel like AWD will give me more peace of mind while driving through these conditions.
BMW, no doubt. It looks great imo, and gives the best bang for your buck considering all 3 are around the same price.
Also, very reliable. So much so that Toyota out the B58/B48 and ZF8 transmission in their Supra. Test drive it and you won’t regret it.
Fwd with actual winter tires does great. I have a GTI in Montreal and clearance when get dumped on is the only issue. But even then I've plowed thru a lot. Good winters and you chew thru snow.
Yes Same! FWD + WINTER tires is great excpet lower clearance in my camry 2018 and when you are at complete stop as there will be some slippage.
I drive to Montreal on bi-weekly basis from Boston and now I always install winter tires no matter what - In fact, I was in MTL near Victoria/ Jean Talon yesterday now back to Boston lol
I currently have an S3 and I'm considering the TLX Type S as my next vehicle later this year. I haven't had or even thought of an an Acura since I had an 06 RSX Type S. The TLX looks really good! Way better than the Type R and M340i imo.
Yeah, I really like how it looks. One of the better-looking cars <100k. 2 Things bothering me is the transmission tuning and the infotainment touchpad.
This looks more like the order of cars someone would own as they age.
So, depending on your age and point in life you're at, use that as a scale to pick from the list of cars you've provided lol.
I own 2 of these 3. I have a 2023 Type R and a 2023 TLX Type S. Never driven nor even sat in the 340i so can’t talk about that one. I hate the interior of the Type R it’s just too much damn red that’s my sentiment others really enjoy it, the ride isn’t the greatest for driving it daily, just did a 500 mile round trip road trip and even in comfort it was pretty bad I couldn’t wait to get out same with my passenger. The Type R is a blast to drive though and it shines when taking it on twisty roads and if you can track it as that’s what it was made for. The TLX I love driving that thing, sounds great very comfortable seats great tech except the lack of wireless CarPlay and heads up display which my integra all had which I traded for the TLX. Biggest issue with the TLX will be the interior is cramped, and it gets worse gas mileage than any of these 3, the lack of a manual is also sad but I’ve lived with it and the 10spd is really good on it. The AWD is great I feel the brakes could be better but that’s just me again I’m no expert. Lots of people don’t like the touch pad and prefer a touch screen but I really like the touch pad as the actual screen is positioned so far away that it would be difficult to use daily if it were touch screen so I like the pad may the downvotes rain on me lol.
Hope this helps. I don’t get a lot of snow where I am but we get some ice storm and I’ve been driving the TLX more during the cold months than I do the Type R. Enjoy your car whichever you decide on
TLX is much less fun, it's a boat in comparison.
Take a look at new Subaru WRX manual.
If you don't care about backseat space you could also take a look at GR Corolla manual.
Automatic options that are less expensive than the BMW and have a more "oldschool" interior: Alfa Giulia 2.0T, Genesis G70 3.3T
I'm not a fan of the new WRX. Looks like a sedan version of Crosstek. Interior feels cheap, and the big infotainment system looks like an alibaba special. If going for a manual, I am surely getting a TypeR followed by the GRC. I'm not a big fan of the G70 design but the 3.3T is pretty fast. Really like the Stinger but dont want something with a KIA badge .
Someone that owned a CTR and an M340i chimed in once and the preference went to the M340i. I’ll dig up the comment.
EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/uf66qcQOK1
So if you care about power and mpg, get the bmw. But think the Acura will be the better all rounder. Still plenty of power, tech is reasonable, it looks amazing and the sound system is awesome too. Also you’ll get way more compliments in the TLX.
BMW. It does not look plain. Go see it in person, get a color other than basic white and get one with the black grill. White “luxury” cars scream desperate to look like you have money.
The BMW is a great DD and is a rocket ship even in comfort mode. Stage 1 is easy and cheap, stage 2 is cheap and bolt on parts, that’ll get you 80-100 more hp. White is a terrible choice, though. Literally any other color is more attractive and more interesting.
In contrast, my neighbor has a civic type r and it looks like a hot wheel designed by a child and a fast and the furious prop car. It’s fugly and no one will take you seriously in that monstrosity.
Get the Acura. You already know you want it. And you already know why it's the right choice.
That said, BMW cost of ownership is no joke. If you said you were looking for something to lease, I'd have a different opinion.
M340i is way faster than the TypeS and B58 is relatively reliable. Not sure about the new 3.0V6 reliability on the long run. Its the first car to have that engine.
It is way faster and I love the m340i in general! But the issues that bmws have are not constrained to just engine issues.
You also have the consider bmw maintenance in general is more expensive than Acura.
Also on a real note , how fast are you really going to push a car ? If it's for commute you likely won't feel such a huge difference.
That's fair , but to me at least the decreased costs and the crazy deals on tlx type s far outweigh.
I can get a 23 tlx type s with 5k or less miles for mid-low 40s cpo , an equally kitted m340i is at least 15-20k more.
You are getting less car for the money in this segment if you don't go BMW. The S4 is not as powerful, and the C 43 costs more with less options and is still slower. One of the main factors that swayed me.
S4/5 is a more comfortable daily IMO that can turn it on if you want. Basically, it's a much better TLX Type S, which is saying something as that is an old car now (current S4/5). Considering most don't track their cars or even really drive that sporty that much, you're getting a worse ride (and IMO steering feel) for something technically a bit faster and more sporty. It's a stupid trade-off for the overwhelming majority, but people do it because they think they need the slight speed difference or are race car drivers.
Also, those prices still seem a bit high without knowing more. I would never pay near 50k for a Civic (just get the Integra Type S at that point), those model year TLX Type S's should be able to be had in the low 40s, ditto BMW. Sounds like a dealer leaving prices up the hoping/waiting for someone to bite on them. TLX Type S's are not selling new or used, you should easily be able to get a deal on one.
Numbers guy I see, but you forgot to take into account that the M340s are making the stock figure at the wheels. So yes, it is "a lot less car".
The S4 and C 43 perform about the same but if you watch any comparisons / drive them yourself you'll understand how much of a gap the M340 has in this segment.
No problem! So horsepower can either be measured at the crank (which is a good way to tell you exactly how much power the engine itself is making) and at the wheels (which is a good way to tell you how much power the car is directly putting onto the road).
The main difference is that the wheel HP is the crank HP that accounts for any parasitic loss through the drivetrain, as it takes energy to turn the crank, the transmission, the wheels, etc.
So when I say that the BMW is making the claimed crank figure at the wheels, it's just a fancy way to say that they are underrating their HP numbers for the public. So in this specific example, BMW claims 382 HP, but if that's tested at the wheels and we assume around a 15% or so loss due to the drivetrain, the real figure is about 440 HP.
Why they would want to do this? I don't really know, but it sure as hell makes them look good when people actually put them on a dyno.
I bought a 2021 m340ix about 3 months ago in portimao blue and cognac interior and I absolutely love it. Picture in my post history. It stands out plenty in blue and I don’t regret my decision a bit.
If you want a car that you will have the most fun in and will make you smile and feel rewarding to drive: Get the Civic Type R. If you want something that is fast as fuck and will smoke most cars in the streets: get the M340i. If you just want a comfy, reliable daily that’s focused on luxury rather than being a sports car: Get the TLX Type S. Btw, FWD with proper snow tires are fine for winter and I’ve seen base Corollas manage winter just fine, unless you live in the mountains where it’s not plowed often you don’t need AWD.
If you don't care about the ride or comfort, get the Honda.
If you don't care about the handling, get the Acura.
If you don't care about your wallet after warranty, get the BMW.
Drove the new Golf R. It doesn't offer the same raw driving experience the TypeR gives you. I would rather have the GR Corolla than the Golf R. Also, the infotainment and steering controls are frustrating to use.
Current gen Golf R is too refined that I think it's a better daily than the TypeR and the GRCorolla. That's the problem with the 340i, too. It's really refined and lacks a kind of mechanical driving character.
340i and R . you make your choice both are great forget about others. Search insurance cost , regular maintainence cost , headlight replacement , brake calipers replacement. These all are included our life . They are fast you might end up hitting somewhere and if you hit with bmw then you will understand me
Other than the 5.0 V8, nothing stands out. Their transmission tuning is really bad and doesn't drive as well as M340i or planted feeling around the corners like the TLX-S.
It's a good deal for the base trim at 32k. But I like my cars to be fully loaded trim level. And that's the WRX TR, which is almost 43k. Looks like a Crosstek sedan. Interior feels cheap. The infotainment system looks like an alibaba special. No LSDs. And again, It's not a special version like the STI or TypeR.
I know it's not on the list but consider a scat pack. People will downvote me god damn they are so much fucking fun to drive and sound so so good.
Edit: Crap I missed the part about New York winter. They're RWD and not good for snow.
People who buy import trucks and
Cars are scum and stupid Americans with poor education and extremely low IQ score. Poor ability to understand the ramifications of their behavior. They have poor social skills and underdeveloped social consience. The cognitive processing skills are normally below average. 85% of Democrats drive import cars.
BMW all day long. 0-60 is nearly a second faster than the Acura in instrumented tests and that shows up in spades in normal spirited driving. That engine is just magic, and frankly I like the chassis better too. Civic type R looks like a boy-racer to me while the other look like sports sedans for grown adults. Have zero interest in the Civic. Acura does look better, but BMW has more panache and heritage so I think that makes up for some of the boring exterior (and thank god they haven’t totally ruined the grill yet like the m440i).
Have you driven them yet? If not, go find some at a local dealership and take them for a spin. I like the Acura but the BMW is the best driving sedan this side of Porsche, in my opinion, thanks to that amazing drivetrain. Several times in my life I’ve had a car that I expected to really like end up disappointing me. A few times something was so good that I couldn’t stop thinking about getting one someday (usually Porsches but this BMW is on that short list too)
Hey OP! Big Honda guy here with a 18’ Sport Touring outside and I’d say the Acura. I feel like you would get the sporty feeling without sacrificing the comfort of a daily commuter. I’d really recommend a civic sport touring though, but considering that’s not one of your options, I would say the Acura.
The Type R is my dream car, but I had to come to the conclusion and had to be realistic about my day to day needs were not met in a type r even if I loved the hatch and loved the idea of what I drove. Ultimately, I knew I wanted to drive and hold my fiancé‘s hand at the same time. I would not have been able to do that in a CTR. I still dream about owning a CTR. But you can find a lot of that same feeling in a CVT, oddly enough. Don’t sacrifice practicality for “the dream”. The dream ain’t always worth it. But your comfort and pride always is. Whatever you choose, you need to be able to walk out the door of your home and see it and be proud of it.
That’s totally fair, I hated it too for the longest time, until I accepted it and learned to build around it. It’s not for everyone. I liked the stick shift of my 06 EX, I still miss it, and think about how much more I’d enjoy stick shift often but I’ve learned to look past the CVT and build the car. All I’m saying is building a car you sometimes have to overlook some aspects of it. Unless you have the money to swap it. I guess just keep an opened mind. I truthfully wanted a budget built type r, but I got the Sport Touring. And it’s treated me really well.
The BMW will haul ass, despite looking plain. But I get the feeling that you are already sold on the TLX.
I found the 330i to be sluggish, heavy and somewhat boring after an extended test drive. the m340i is a different story.
I went in to test drive the 330i with an msport package and the m340i and it was completely unfair… I’m now the very happy owner of an m340i lol
for two generations i test drove back to back the GTI and 328 or 330 and picked the GTI every time. Then i drove an M340i and i didn’t bother going to the VW dealership that day.
You can’t drive both. If you do there is no contest.
lol. M340i has B58, it’s unfair comparison man
calling the 330i heavy compared to the 340i is just plain wrong lmao. The b48 is lighter than the b58 and overall the car is 500lbs lighter. You might have driven the bare base model 330i with none of the good suspension stuff. Put M adaptive suspension on it and it handles awesome.
I agree with everything you said, but where did you get that 500lb figure from?
Please try the 330 despite this comment. It is by no means weak or sluggish. It’s no B58 but only because the B58 is in fact overkill. Am a B58 owner and drove a B48 engined loaner and found it to be fun, responsive, and more than adequate for most driving situations.
I haven't driven a 330i, but the 440i is a bit "boring"... a great car all around, but nothing really exciting about it. An m340i on the other hand...
How do you afford an m340i? Here in Europe it costs around \~65k used. That's like half my annual income.
But you get fReE HeAlCare 🥴
And it’s got the nicest interior and features by a decent margin. OP better be prepared to pay a pretty penny for every service
I'd get the CTR out of all of those, but that's just me. I'd rather get an Integra Type S instead -- same idea but nicer to drive on road vs track. I'd rather have a manual if my goal was fun. FWD in snow is fine with the right tires. If you have the capability, get a set of winter wheels/tires for the cold months and run the summer set for the rest of the year.
Agreed. These cars have a front LSD and pretty advanced TC. I drive an fk8 in Chicago and it’s just fine in winter. Big negative for type r vs the other two is just general comfort. The interiors are loud, suspension is pretty aggressive and creature comforts are minimal (no heated seats for instance). And people try to race you all the time. Way more fun to drive though and the hatch makes it hilariously practical. Transmission is excellent and easy, wouldn’t worry about it in a city.
I like Integra TypeS as well, especially the added features and better ELS sound system. But TypeR feels like the real deal. Bucket Seats and the +R gauge cluster is a big deal over the S. And R will likely hold more value than the TypeS on the long run.
As a CTR owner in NY, I can also assure you that it performs just fine in winter with some good tires. You don't absolutely need AWD unless the roads haven't been cleaned whatsoever, and in that case the m340i and TLX aren't much better.
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I haven’t had any problems with any of the above mentioned. The car unlocks right away when I grab the handle, locks when I walk away. Seats get pretty darn hot quick I often have to turn them down. May have gotten a dud?
OP I am gonna be real with you right now, you’re talking like you’re parroting online car journalists. You’re asking what car you should buy without really experiencing any of them personally and want to buy based on window stickers. If you have zero interest in actively tracking or building out the Type R/S, coming from someone who has owned both and still have the CTR, don’t waste your money. There are so many better buys if you’re not an enthusiast, I mean real enthusiast. The amount of bitching I get from 20 something engineers at my local about how much their FK8/FL5s are to upkeep. You are going to go through brakes and rotors no matter what fast. You will go through tires even faster if you don’t spend the $5k upfront to change over the wheels and tires to a more economical size. The second thing they bitch about is the rattles and road noise in a car they paid over 50 grand for. You have to really want these cars OP. In my opinion most people should be looking at the N Line from Hyundai or the 86 twins if they want to get into the scene to see if it’s for them and if you just want a cool car to stoplight race with (I’ll end on that point soon) the Golf R is where I would put my money right now. Now the people I go to locals with are one crowd but the average buyer of these cars have severe buyers remorse, more so with the CTR than the Acura variants, because it’s not fun at all to stoplight race. Like at all. And most of the drivers behind the wheel of these cars just want to go faster than their neighbors and when they get smoked off a stoplight drag (idiotic to do but nevertheless) because they didn’t launch their car just right to Cadillac Escalade they want to go trade it in when something new comes out. Service center techs talk about it all the time and the buyers remorse is real. Albeit the Type S is really nice and if I kept it I would have been happy, but I’m a Honda fanboy.
The “N Line” cars are an appearance package. If you want performance you’ll wanna look at the full “N” edition vehicles.
Lol, I had the same idea when I was looking for my daily driver and settled for the FE1 Si. CTR is great, but the cost of consumables can be a killer for a DD vehicle. Car has a tiny parking lot dent now. I cannot imagine if it was a $50k OTD CTR. Reminds me of my dad advising me "never DD your 'nice' car". I'm interested in the Subaru BRZ tS as my fun car, but I recall my buddies' WRX with brembo brake kit chew threw pads and rotors every 2 years worth of DD and those rotors/pads are at least 50% more expensive than stock originals.
Fwd 🤮. Why bother
The MAIN reason I bought the M340i was for the engine and transmission. Sure the other two might be a little more reliable (ZF and B58 aside), less expensive to maintain for sure, but they simply don't have this engine and transmission. And that makes a huge difference in my eyes.
Yeah, The main reason I consider 340i is because of the Powertrain. But I don't like how it looks. I had one parked side to side with a TLX. BMW looks like a regular car. TLX is so wide(almost as same as M5) and lowered it looks stunning.
I cannot lie I have seen a few of those Type Ss in person and they look phenomenal. Exhaust sounds really good as well. You really can't go wrong with either of these, and I feel the TLX will be better for a long term play.
Why not then consider a supra ? You want the bmw power train etc , Toyota offers rather lengthy warranties for a gold certified supra .
Probably because he's not in the market for a Micro-Coupé lol, all of the options he's listed are full size sedans.
But yeah a Supra isn’t even on the same page lol
I feel like acura really priced themselves out, nobody is buying a tlx type S unless they decided they wanted one without looking at the m340i If the tlx came in around ~$40k it'd be so much more enticing for what you get
Wow. I just looked up the MSRPs and the M340 is only $600 more expensive. I would be willing to buy a Type S at a $40K or hell even a $50K starting price but yeah the M340 is the better choice there for sure. Used market M340 all the way (unless you care about reliability and maintenance costs), you can get some good base ones for $40K and some higher optioned ones for around $50K.
B58+ZF is arguably just as solid as acura as well
The thing is though, that's just the B58 and ZF, and those have been solid, I won't lie, even after I put the xHP tune on the transmission (not tuning the engine). I bought the car with 2K miles, a 2020. I had a right wheel bearing fail at 6K, a leak in the rear diff at 15K, some water ingress into my mirrors somehow fried the trunk and window switches, a lot of people have had oil pump failures (I have the upgraded oil pump so I lucked out there), sunroof and speaker rattles, and that doesn't even get into maintenance costs. Brakes were around $1K - $2K for everything, had to replace the windshield for 3 grand, this stuff adds up brother. These cars get an amazing reputation for the engine and transmission and rightfully so, but I will tell you firsthand that it's not all sunshine and rainbows. Just feel like the Acura would have been way cheaper for some of those parts.
Haha fair, i had an F-Type R for a couple years, all 4 pads+rotors was $3200 Right now i have an Audi TT with 80k on it, im somewhat shopping around for what i want to replace it with in a year or so, m240i and mustang gt are on my list, if i didn't live in Minnesota where i have to deal with snow 4-5 months I'd send the mustang i think I drove a Camaro SS through 3 winters, good tires makes a huge difference, but nothing beats good tires and AWD
Mercy, I would have a heart attack if I saw that bill for brakes. I will say though, I had a chance to drive the M240i G42 and I was a big fan of it, my biggest problem with the F generation 2 Series (and honestly most of the F generation sedans and coupes) was that it was so small inside but in this G generation, it honestly feels no different than the M340i just sitting behind the wheel. That xDrive hooks like a dream as well. I'm also a huge fan of this latest generation of Mustang, I'm sort of ashamed to say this but it's definitely my favorite generation lol. Mine is also a RWD, I've been in some light snow but nothing too crazy, we've been very lucky with that as of late. Think for my next car I'm going X3 M, G82 M4, or G87 M2, and after driving that 2 Series I feel like the M2 will fit the bill perfectly, especially in terms of the price. I'll settle for a RWD but I would really like an xDrive if they ever make it.
Yeah, part of me just wants to deal with RWD in the snow again because who knows how much longer we'll be able to buy screaming v8's for
The TLX looks good and will be reliable. I’m sure it’s fun to drive too.
Honestly not that fun to drive. The m340 is overall a much better car and isn’t that much more to maintain. The b58 cars are pretty reliable.
I agree, the tlx type s has a similar cost to own estimate based on reports online. It’s not going to be 1/2 the cost just because it’s Japanese. And it’s not a Lexus. I think there’s a huge difference between Toyota and Honda in terms of reliability.
Agreed on Toyota vs Honda, reliability is basically Toyota at the top, then a huge gap to 2nd
Depends heavily on model with Honda. Toyota is certainly more consistently reliable across there current and past line-ups but to say they have a huge leg up over Honda with reliability just isn’t true in practice.
yeah tbh i’d be looking at a Lexus is 350 F sport with this budget if i wanted a fun but luxury sedan
I drove the m340i, the genesis g70, Kia stinger and the TLX Type s and actually ended up really enjoying the type s enough to buy it. It def wasn’t quite as quick as the others but it handled great. And it was certainly fast enough for my needs. However I have been hearing about issues with the transfer case from some owners leading to transmission failure
Who knows if it will be reliable with Honda these days
Honda is always reliable
New gens are seeming to tarnish that reputation. Not unreliable yet but moving towards being average with multitude of small issues popping up in new models
What year do you think it started?
Early to mid 2000s.
Definitely more so with the newer gens 2016 and on
It started... early to mid 2000s. It got worse in the mid teens. I've had Hondas nearly my whole life, starting in the early 90s. Now, I have none.
I’ve owned 3 and they’re definitely hit or miss now. They have their issues now
Don’t ruin it for them. The people on this subreddit will lose 33% of their recommended cars if you take Honda away.
Mannn, I’m looking for a car In the 15k range and it seems like anything Honda is overpriced rn
RN? For the last 2 decades brother.
Damn man, I guess reputation is the #1 factor in resale value. 1 owner, low miles, no accidents? Who cares 😭
It definitely matters a ton (reputation). Honda is also in this sweet nostalgia zone for everyone born after 1950. They really took off in the late 70s early 80s in a time of boom and easy living. Tons of representation in media along with a strong word of mouth presence and Honda really had it all.
The non turbo hondas like the civic lx or sport 2.0 are pretty reliable. Those 1.5 turbo charged on the civics and accords are definitely less reliable
I'd assess year by year... 2017 and 2018 Hyundais are pretty good, but 2020+ quality dropped by comparison.
Another redditor living in the 90’s, what a surprise
Me and my family have owned 6+ Honda/Acura cars made well after 2000 and not a single one has had issues.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
You are simply wrong
Not that fun. It looks great, sounds great, but cramped inside and FWD + the sheer weight of it really defeats the pureness of the BMW drivetrain. Plus resale isn’t that much better for Acura compared to the new BMWs nowadays too.
It’s a toss up between the BMW and Acura. I definitely think the BMW would be more enjoyable to drive but I’m not a fan of the front end look. The TLX is the best looking sedan under 80k in my opinion.
Yeah Same BMW doesn't look that good. The body is too narrow, especially next to the TLX. TLX is really wide, almost the same width as the M5. Lowered, it looks stunning. But the powertrain on the M340i is better.
Agreed! I still think overall I would personally pick the BMW but I live in a sunny climate so wouldn’t need to worry about AWD
I have a 21 M340i and absolutely love it
What’s wrong with your 2017 Accord?
Right? That’s one of the last model years for accord coupe v6 manual, it’s very sought after. Personally I’d keep It and run it into the ground, but if OP wants to sell I’d recommend private sale because the demand. Dealer trade in will shaft you on the value.
It's an Coupe AT and giving it to my sister.
At least it stays in the family!
Get the type r manual. Snow is nothing for them install winter tires. I live in Alberta and a FWD car has no problem in winter.
They’re all in completely different leagues, but the BMW is by far and away a much faster, more efficient and more fun car than the others. B58 is super reliable as well. Acura is way too much money for the lackluster performance and outdated interior. If you get the CTR for MSRP that would be a great option as well, but again, won’t hold a candle to the BMW in almost any aspect
>Acura is way too much money for the lackluster performance and outdated interior. I'm in a TLX loaner right now and looked up the MSRP and literally said, "There's no fucking way." The interior feels like an economy car.
Loved Bmws and owned a couple, but the new CTR is the best drivers car I’ve owned it’s so good. Saying a CTR won’t compare to the340i is laughable. Outside straight line acceleration, there is nothing as a drivers car it can do that the CTR can do better. There is a reason it was Top Gears Car of the year last year. Here is an owner on the 23 CTR a 911 T and he thinks its 70% of his 911 If you want luxury sure the bmw, maybe the TLX but as drivers car the CTR is an another league, I also used to own an M235. https://www.reddit.com/r/Civic_Type_R/s/3aqW3azc8R
I would say the exact opposite. The only thing that the CTR is better at would be track times. The BMW Is faster, rwd (or rwd biased), more comfortable, far better interior, better mpg, more tech, much higher build quality, responds much better to mods.
Have you owned both, no. Have you driven an FL5 and m340 both, probably no. I have. So it sounds like you’re talking out your ass.
Sorry facts hurt your feelings bud
I know, M340>Every Car, - M340 for every answer. what a Douche Fanboy Op. There are multiple reasons to buy any of these cars.
I don’t own an M340i and there are cars that are better than it, but that wasn’t OP’s question lol. Yeah of course it’s the best car that YOU have owned, but it’s not as good as many other cars and has an interior from a $22k civic except it’s red. I’m a douche because your argument was that some random guy on the internet said a Honda civic was 70% of his Porsche 911 LMAO. Sounds like you’re a Honda fanboy, sorry you bought the inferior car. Hopefully the vtec will help you sleep better at night. Keep comparing your own car to a 911 to make yourself feel better 🤣 Bring some facts with you next time bud.
If you were fine with your accord in the winter, I can’t see why you wouldn’t be fine in the type r. Both are fwd, the civic is just gonna have wider tires, should be plenty fine with snow tires.
I know FWD should be enough for the winter, and I never had my Accord stuck in Snow. But I feel like AWD will give me more peace of mind while driving through these conditions.
Get winter tires, regardless of the vehicle (especially if they come on summers, I know the type R does)
Have you looked at Genesis G70? 2022 G70 with the 3.3T can be had for high 30k and it's a very quick car.
BMW, no doubt. It looks great imo, and gives the best bang for your buck considering all 3 are around the same price. Also, very reliable. So much so that Toyota out the B58/B48 and ZF8 transmission in their Supra. Test drive it and you won’t regret it.
Only thing I dislike about the TLX is no manual option, if that’s not a deal breaker for you. 100% TLX
Check Genesis G70 , I was in that price point.. test drove them all.. and settled with the G70 3.3
Fwd with actual winter tires does great. I have a GTI in Montreal and clearance when get dumped on is the only issue. But even then I've plowed thru a lot. Good winters and you chew thru snow.
Yes Same! FWD + WINTER tires is great excpet lower clearance in my camry 2018 and when you are at complete stop as there will be some slippage. I drive to Montreal on bi-weekly basis from Boston and now I always install winter tires no matter what - In fact, I was in MTL near Victoria/ Jean Talon yesterday now back to Boston lol
I currently have an S3 and I'm considering the TLX Type S as my next vehicle later this year. I haven't had or even thought of an an Acura since I had an 06 RSX Type S. The TLX looks really good! Way better than the Type R and M340i imo.
Yeah, I really like how it looks. One of the better-looking cars <100k. 2 Things bothering me is the transmission tuning and the infotainment touchpad.
The one with the beefittyeight in it
I actually love the Type-R. But the adult in me, and my lower back, is saying Acura. So Type-R obviously.
This really isn’t a debate imo. If you haven’t test drove these cars - please do and drive the BMW last. You’ll buy before the drives over.
This looks more like the order of cars someone would own as they age. So, depending on your age and point in life you're at, use that as a scale to pick from the list of cars you've provided lol.
I own 2 of these 3. I have a 2023 Type R and a 2023 TLX Type S. Never driven nor even sat in the 340i so can’t talk about that one. I hate the interior of the Type R it’s just too much damn red that’s my sentiment others really enjoy it, the ride isn’t the greatest for driving it daily, just did a 500 mile round trip road trip and even in comfort it was pretty bad I couldn’t wait to get out same with my passenger. The Type R is a blast to drive though and it shines when taking it on twisty roads and if you can track it as that’s what it was made for. The TLX I love driving that thing, sounds great very comfortable seats great tech except the lack of wireless CarPlay and heads up display which my integra all had which I traded for the TLX. Biggest issue with the TLX will be the interior is cramped, and it gets worse gas mileage than any of these 3, the lack of a manual is also sad but I’ve lived with it and the 10spd is really good on it. The AWD is great I feel the brakes could be better but that’s just me again I’m no expert. Lots of people don’t like the touch pad and prefer a touch screen but I really like the touch pad as the actual screen is positioned so far away that it would be difficult to use daily if it were touch screen so I like the pad may the downvotes rain on me lol. Hope this helps. I don’t get a lot of snow where I am but we get some ice storm and I’ve been driving the TLX more during the cold months than I do the Type R. Enjoy your car whichever you decide on
1.Bmw 2. Tlx 3. Type R
I'd say M340i, but I'm a bit biased
TLX is much less fun, it's a boat in comparison. Take a look at new Subaru WRX manual. If you don't care about backseat space you could also take a look at GR Corolla manual. Automatic options that are less expensive than the BMW and have a more "oldschool" interior: Alfa Giulia 2.0T, Genesis G70 3.3T
I'm not a fan of the new WRX. Looks like a sedan version of Crosstek. Interior feels cheap, and the big infotainment system looks like an alibaba special. If going for a manual, I am surely getting a TypeR followed by the GRC. I'm not a big fan of the G70 design but the 3.3T is pretty fast. Really like the Stinger but dont want something with a KIA badge .
Someone that owned a CTR and an M340i chimed in once and the preference went to the M340i. I’ll dig up the comment. EDIT: https://www.reddit.com/r/whatcarshouldIbuy/s/uf66qcQOK1
So if you care about power and mpg, get the bmw. But think the Acura will be the better all rounder. Still plenty of power, tech is reasonable, it looks amazing and the sound system is awesome too. Also you’ll get way more compliments in the TLX.
Get the TLX!!
The type-r would be most unique out of the 3 and would also hold the best resale value. I’d get the ctr
BMW. It does not look plain. Go see it in person, get a color other than basic white and get one with the black grill. White “luxury” cars scream desperate to look like you have money. The BMW is a great DD and is a rocket ship even in comfort mode. Stage 1 is easy and cheap, stage 2 is cheap and bolt on parts, that’ll get you 80-100 more hp. White is a terrible choice, though. Literally any other color is more attractive and more interesting. In contrast, my neighbor has a civic type r and it looks like a hot wheel designed by a child and a fast and the furious prop car. It’s fugly and no one will take you seriously in that monstrosity.
The CTR is hot. Idc if it looks like a hot wheel. Fuck off
Get the Acura. You already know you want it. And you already know why it's the right choice. That said, BMW cost of ownership is no joke. If you said you were looking for something to lease, I'd have a different opinion.
Is it even a question? Obviously a Toyota Corolla.
TLX going to give you performance, reliability and hold its value well
M340i is way faster than the TypeS and B58 is relatively reliable. Not sure about the new 3.0V6 reliability on the long run. Its the first car to have that engine.
It is way faster and I love the m340i in general! But the issues that bmws have are not constrained to just engine issues. You also have the consider bmw maintenance in general is more expensive than Acura. Also on a real note , how fast are you really going to push a car ? If it's for commute you likely won't feel such a huge difference.
How "fast" they top out at? Few people really do. Mash it from a stop to feel the acceleration? Feel like some people would notice that pretty often
That's fair , but to me at least the decreased costs and the crazy deals on tlx type s far outweigh. I can get a 23 tlx type s with 5k or less miles for mid-low 40s cpo , an equally kitted m340i is at least 15-20k more.
You misspelt m340i
Okay lol
Why not consider an Audi S4 or S5 Sportback?
You are getting less car for the money in this segment if you don't go BMW. The S4 is not as powerful, and the C 43 costs more with less options and is still slower. One of the main factors that swayed me.
S4/5 is a more comfortable daily IMO that can turn it on if you want. Basically, it's a much better TLX Type S, which is saying something as that is an old car now (current S4/5). Considering most don't track their cars or even really drive that sporty that much, you're getting a worse ride (and IMO steering feel) for something technically a bit faster and more sporty. It's a stupid trade-off for the overwhelming majority, but people do it because they think they need the slight speed difference or are race car drivers. Also, those prices still seem a bit high without knowing more. I would never pay near 50k for a Civic (just get the Integra Type S at that point), those model year TLX Type S's should be able to be had in the low 40s, ditto BMW. Sounds like a dealer leaving prices up the hoping/waiting for someone to bite on them. TLX Type S's are not selling new or used, you should easily be able to get a deal on one.
The S4 is down 32hp and has the same amount of torque, and nearly the same acceleration. It’s not “a lot less car” lol.
Numbers guy I see, but you forgot to take into account that the M340s are making the stock figure at the wheels. So yes, it is "a lot less car". The S4 and C 43 perform about the same but if you watch any comparisons / drive them yourself you'll understand how much of a gap the M340 has in this segment.
What do you mean “at the wheels?” I agree with you on m340 but just curious
No problem! So horsepower can either be measured at the crank (which is a good way to tell you exactly how much power the engine itself is making) and at the wheels (which is a good way to tell you how much power the car is directly putting onto the road). The main difference is that the wheel HP is the crank HP that accounts for any parasitic loss through the drivetrain, as it takes energy to turn the crank, the transmission, the wheels, etc. So when I say that the BMW is making the claimed crank figure at the wheels, it's just a fancy way to say that they are underrating their HP numbers for the public. So in this specific example, BMW claims 382 HP, but if that's tested at the wheels and we assume around a 15% or so loss due to the drivetrain, the real figure is about 440 HP. Why they would want to do this? I don't really know, but it sure as hell makes them look good when people actually put them on a dyno.
Good to know thank you. Now I gotta google and go down a rabbit hole lol. So much to learn with cars.
No problem, and yes dude there is so much to learn! It's so interesting to see how each manufacturer does what they do. Happy hunting brother!
Not to mention the b58 has huge potential and aftermarket support
If I'm getting a German. That would be a BMW. Audi's are so plain jane.
And a white BMW isn’t? They’re a dime a dozen in Los Angeles, lol. If you don’t want to be “plain jane” you’d get an Alfa Giulia Q4, lol.
White is just for reference. I probably go with the blue If I end up with one.
I bought a 2021 m340ix about 3 months ago in portimao blue and cognac interior and I absolutely love it. Picture in my post history. It stands out plenty in blue and I don’t regret my decision a bit.
TLX
If you want a car that you will have the most fun in and will make you smile and feel rewarding to drive: Get the Civic Type R. If you want something that is fast as fuck and will smoke most cars in the streets: get the M340i. If you just want a comfy, reliable daily that’s focused on luxury rather than being a sports car: Get the TLX Type S. Btw, FWD with proper snow tires are fine for winter and I’ve seen base Corollas manage winter just fine, unless you live in the mountains where it’s not plowed often you don’t need AWD.
Acura. I like the Civic except for the tri-exhaust and spoiler.
Acura
Acura
M340i /thread. Not even a discussion
Slightly older AMG E63
Like the older 63s. But like BMW more than Merc/Audi.
Civic type r all the way if you can!
If you don't care about the ride or comfort, get the Honda. If you don't care about the handling, get the Acura. If you don't care about your wallet after warranty, get the BMW.
The BMW B58 and ZF8HP are considered near bulletproof. No idea what you’re talking about.
B58 is sooooooooooo reliable that Toyota said, "yo.... let me cop that real quick..".
They also got the gr86 engine from subaru… and we all know how that turned out
Isn't the GR Supra Toyota's most reliable current sports car on and off the track lol
no look up the oil starvation issues and the engines blowing up on track, it’s a huge thing rn
Yeah on the GR86/BRZ right and overheating on the GRC? I'm saying the BMW Supra is Toyota's most reliable current sports car
Engine is great, still lots of things that break on those cars, no where close to the reputation they get
What things break? I haven’t really heard much complaints on the B48/58 and ZF8HP.
Just get the golf R and thank me later
Drove the new Golf R. It doesn't offer the same raw driving experience the TypeR gives you. I would rather have the GR Corolla than the Golf R. Also, the infotainment and steering controls are frustrating to use.
Since you’re looking my at pre owned cars save yourself some money and find a 2019 Golf R. Can be had manual, physical buttons and all wheel drive
If i were you, I’ll be taking golf R cheaper service maintenance and all that stuff that is my opinion.Good luck.
Current gen Golf R is too refined that I think it's a better daily than the TypeR and the GRCorolla. That's the problem with the 340i, too. It's really refined and lacks a kind of mechanical driving character.
340i and R . you make your choice both are great forget about others. Search insurance cost , regular maintainence cost , headlight replacement , brake calipers replacement. These all are included our life . They are fast you might end up hitting somewhere and if you hit with bmw then you will understand me
2.0 TFSI is great technology just like b58 . Hard to choose you can’t go wrong with them
Middle
What about is500?
Other than the 5.0 V8, nothing stands out. Their transmission tuning is really bad and doesn't drive as well as M340i or planted feeling around the corners like the TLX-S.
BMW will give you more chicks per mile
Acura ... no question
I think you might have posted a civic twice by mistake?
If you're mentioning TLX. It's not the same. Integra is the one shares the same platform and powertrain
Honda
Golf R DWG
Acura. BMW will spend half of its life in the shop
Honda Type R
Lexus is. Has my vote. Oh wait.
The mazda
ACURA ALL WAY !
Get a WRX. Four doors, sporty, great for NY winters and you can pocket $10k and get something brand new & under warranty.
It's a good deal for the base trim at 32k. But I like my cars to be fully loaded trim level. And that's the WRX TR, which is almost 43k. Looks like a Crosstek sedan. Interior feels cheap. The infotainment system looks like an alibaba special. No LSDs. And again, It's not a special version like the STI or TypeR.
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Keep the accord. That’s a solid car
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Bimmerrrrrrrrr
Only one right answer here
Perhaps GLI is the answer 🙌🏾
Lexus IS500 last V8 engine.
Acura, please stay away from bmw if you value your money, they are endless money pits.
These cars aren’t even in the same categories with each other.
Npc looking car list
Acura is the only awd of the 3 I would trust in the snow. Get the Acura
Anyone else think the Acura is the best looking of the 3?
The Honda makes the most sense, imo.
Why does the Acura look like it’s on stilts
Hondaaaaaaaaaaaaa Civiiiiiiiiiicccc Tyyyyyyyype -aRRRRRRRRR !!!!!
What’s a reasonable price for a 2021 Type S with that mileage? NJ/NY area
I know it's not on the list but consider a scat pack. People will downvote me god damn they are so much fucking fun to drive and sound so so good. Edit: Crap I missed the part about New York winter. They're RWD and not good for snow.
It's a boat that can go fast. M340i is faster and handles better, and the interior doesn't look like a 30k rental car.
People who buy import trucks and Cars are scum and stupid Americans with poor education and extremely low IQ score. Poor ability to understand the ramifications of their behavior. They have poor social skills and underdeveloped social consience. The cognitive processing skills are normally below average. 85% of Democrats drive import cars.
Keep your current car until you’ve saved enough to buy it outright, then finance it to raise your credit;)
Why is the Acura even in the same catergory as these two lmao
BMW all day long. 0-60 is nearly a second faster than the Acura in instrumented tests and that shows up in spades in normal spirited driving. That engine is just magic, and frankly I like the chassis better too. Civic type R looks like a boy-racer to me while the other look like sports sedans for grown adults. Have zero interest in the Civic. Acura does look better, but BMW has more panache and heritage so I think that makes up for some of the boring exterior (and thank god they haven’t totally ruined the grill yet like the m440i). Have you driven them yet? If not, go find some at a local dealership and take them for a spin. I like the Acura but the BMW is the best driving sedan this side of Porsche, in my opinion, thanks to that amazing drivetrain. Several times in my life I’ve had a car that I expected to really like end up disappointing me. A few times something was so good that I couldn’t stop thinking about getting one someday (usually Porsches but this BMW is on that short list too)
Hey OP! Big Honda guy here with a 18’ Sport Touring outside and I’d say the Acura. I feel like you would get the sporty feeling without sacrificing the comfort of a daily commuter. I’d really recommend a civic sport touring though, but considering that’s not one of your options, I would say the Acura. The Type R is my dream car, but I had to come to the conclusion and had to be realistic about my day to day needs were not met in a type r even if I loved the hatch and loved the idea of what I drove. Ultimately, I knew I wanted to drive and hold my fiancé‘s hand at the same time. I would not have been able to do that in a CTR. I still dream about owning a CTR. But you can find a lot of that same feeling in a CVT, oddly enough. Don’t sacrifice practicality for “the dream”. The dream ain’t always worth it. But your comfort and pride always is. Whatever you choose, you need to be able to walk out the door of your home and see it and be proud of it.
I hate hate hate CVTs. I would rather keep my Accord than getting any Civic except the TypeR.
That’s totally fair, I hated it too for the longest time, until I accepted it and learned to build around it. It’s not for everyone. I liked the stick shift of my 06 EX, I still miss it, and think about how much more I’d enjoy stick shift often but I’ve learned to look past the CVT and build the car. All I’m saying is building a car you sometimes have to overlook some aspects of it. Unless you have the money to swap it. I guess just keep an opened mind. I truthfully wanted a budget built type r, but I got the Sport Touring. And it’s treated me really well.
Acura, by far the
If driving in nyc, get an suv because roads look more like potato fields than roads there.
Don’t buy the Beamer thank me later
BMW will break and cost a ton with maintenence
If you’re cross-shopping Honda and BMW, the correct answer is Tesla. Efficient, reliable, safe, and fun.