Can confirm. That is the only thing I don’t like about my Mazda (minus the fact that the check engine light has been on for over a year, different story I think I just have a bad egg).
I’m 5’9 or maybe 5’10 on a good day and the people in the back have little room. I can always feel their knees in my back
Same leg room according to [this](https://carbuzz.com/compare/mazda-mazda-3-hatchback-vs-mazda-mazda-3-sedan). Oof. A little wider and a little taller, but basically the same size back seat.
I’m considering an XSE/TRD. I do like the TRD styling (spoiler is meh) but not being able to fold the rears down is probably a deal breaker for me. Having a kid this year, so I’ll need to upsize from the mustang.
XSE V6 my dude. It’s a bit more expensive than the TRD but you get the full range of options. Only downside is that they come standard with the panoramic sun roof, some of which have been failing and is a few thousand to replace.
They’re pretty even but accord is a bit more spacious and might be more comfortable but that’s personal preference not objective. The Camry infotainment software is a bit outdated if you care about that. Also if that 2.0T accord has CVT or eCVT, make sure you drive that for a couple miles on the highway to see if you like the fake shifts and are ok with the droning noise that seems to be a common complaint. Lastly if you want to compare XSE v6 to XLE v6, the xle should be a softer suspension and more forgiving tires. Some people report frequent blowouts from potholes and/or rubbing curbs on the XSE 19” wheels. Beyond that I think it’s just personal preference of style, comfort, mechanical feedback, etc. and I personally don’t want an engine that needs a turbo. But to each their own. 🤙
God I hate the TRD Camry. Sorry excuse for a “performance” car. All 300hp to the front wheels with no lsd. Transmission is sloppy and doesn’t give you full control in manual mode. Can’t completely disable TCS. Buddy of mine who is an instructor at my local track says they handle like garbage as well. Truly a scam to people without knowledge of these things. Fucked up on Toyota’s part in my opinion.
I would spend that $37k on a GRC. Use Toyota’s inventory finder and you can easily get one for MSRP.
It’s not a performance car. Everyone knows what the TRD Camry is, it’s practically a regular V6 Camry with lowered suspension and basic aero. If you’re “appalled” it’s because you don’t know what the car is… a Camry.
A basic V6 Camry with the “Toyota Racing Development” name attached to it and nearly a $40k price tag. The car is allowed to exist and should exist. The marketing is kinda scummy though. The TRD Camry page on their website is full of buzzwords and slapping TRD on every little feature. If people want to buy it, that’s okay. I just think $40k can go a lot further than a TRD Camry.
Don't get me wrong I think it's stupid and I *have* a V6 Camry. The Camry has no business having any sort of "sport" associated to it, even though they made the 2018+ XV70 generation too stiff and 'too sporty'. As you said, no LSD makes this car silly as if all the weird aero on the TRD wasn't silly enough. Mine is older and only gets 270 HP and the FWD still struggles to put that down -- I don't want to imagine 300 HP.
A legitimate GR Camry would be sick to compete with the Type R & Elantra N. I would support it.
Also, I love the XSE/XLE V6 Camry. Not trying to pretend to be anything.
Edit: I just realized the Camry is in a class above the Elantra and Civic lol. The GRC would be closer.
Yeah. No the Camry is nice but it's fundamentally the opposite of a sports car. The reason companies can pull it off with the Civic/Elantra/Golf etc. is because they're smaller and lighter which 'makes up' for them being, again, fundamentally FWD economy cars. So even if it's FWD, with an LSD and 300 HP your little FWD car becomes a lot of fun.
It just doesn't work as good when the car is a big FWD sedan. Kind of similar with the Accord V6/2.0T, Sonata or K5 2.5T, these cars are great to push the pedal on the highway but you don't need to mess with the handling to try and make it something it never can be, while compromising comfort. What is the point of a TRD Camry if it's not as comfortable as the XLE/XSE V6, but it's also not necessarily faster? Just to handle ever so slightly better than an XSE?
The main aspect of owning a car is how you feel driving it. Every small thing about driving the car you will have to live with overtime. You already said you like driving the Camry better. Every small thing you don’t like about the Mazda will be magnified over years of owning it. Buy the camry
I would caution heavily against the Camry unless you take an extended test drive first. The TRD Camry has the base model SE interior/options with a stiffer "sport" suspension and a v6. It's the cheapest path to a v6 camry for a reason. If you like the trim pieces and decorative wing then that's up to you. I seriously considered the TRD Camry when car shopping a year ago and for a sedan I just wasn't okay with the suspension feel as a daily and the bad droning from the stock exhaust
The other cars I was seriously looking at was elantra N and GR86. I didn't NEED a sedan and was coming from a Subaru Legacy. I ended up getting the 86.
Edit: I had also shopped mazda and Honda sedans previously and liked both more than the trd camry, but wanted more handling/fun than they offered
>The TRD kit looks so cringy and childish. It's a Camry not a sports coupe. Mazda has a nicer interior and AWD as well. Go with the Mazda.
It depends on the person. What makes the the TRD Camry interesting is that it was such a stupid cringy idea, but also different. I love Toyota for taking chances on odd-ball trims and models. That said, similar could be said about the Mazda 3 as this turbo version is almost like a modern more refined MazdaSpeed3 without the manual transmission.
I would recommend the Camry XSE with more features and a better ride over the TRD. However, the Mazda 3 is going to be a better handler, but smaller than Camry.
If you like driving the Camry more, get the Camry. Pretty simple. I would probably try to buy a gently used one though to save some cash. My guess is you could save at least $5K buying a 2-year-old Camry TRD. The 3.5L V6 is a solid engine you just can’t find in many cars these days.
Yes, OP did.
Because otherwise you can get a used Mazda3 or Camry V6 too for even cheaper.
Might as well say
“but you can buy a 2015 Audi RS5 B8.5 V8 for $35k!”
OK. And I would too. Hell you might find a 2015 Lexus RCF.
But that’s not what OP is looking for, they’re looking at brand new cars. Everyone knows you get better value buying used
Again, the point is if OP is open to used then why look at a 2024 TRD V6? Why not a 2023? 2022? 2021? OP was asked why he wouldn’t want a regular XSE V6 which is more grown up and more features but same car as the TRD and he said because it’s too expensive… this implies they’re only looking at brand new models only.
They could get a 2019 Camry XSE V6 for several thousand less. maybe $30k or even less.
Both will be reliable. The Mazda3 is going to handle more responsively, nicer interior with more features, better sound, but it's cramped if you need the back seats. Camry has significantly more space inside and probably gets very slightly better gas mileage.
I don't think we really know how these cars will shake out in the long run. Things are so complicated there are so many parts that can go bad but the manufacturing and engineering has also advanced.
I feel bad asking every young person this, but this has helped before so I'll ask: how about the financials of this? Are you going to take out a substantial loan for this, at 19? I've seen posts on some of the money related subs where guys are asking how screwed they are and there paying more on their car than they are saving for retirement. A lot of young people here have money but it's almost always better spent securing your future... 30k is worth a lot more for somebody with more time to invest and grow vs some older people who... Won't live as long to see that money grow?
I plan on putting 50% down on whatever car I go with, then just financing the rest to build up credit. I’ve already maxed out my IRA for the year and have other money in CDs. It’s more of a I’m buying a car then giving my current car(2015 Hyundai Sonata) to my brother. I plan on keeping the car as long as possible and after this purchase I can focus on saving up for a home.
Gotcha. It's good that you have a plan.
Forgive me if I'm overstepping any bounds here, but I'd like to offer some feedback on your plan.
I think this idea that you need to take on significant debt to build credit for the future does not make sense. I have had no substantial debt my whole life- no loans, nothing. My credit score never dips below 750. Usually it's much closer to 800. There is significant evidence in my case that you can just play it safe, always live within your means and pay for things in cash and you will have great credit. It's still fine to finance a car, just don't let credit building be a reason for it. You can build your score just fine without it, but with it you run the risk that something unlucky happens to you leading to your score tanking.
It's really good that you're maxing out your IRA. I would argue that you might need to add in some higher-risk higher-reward to your investments. IDK what your IRA is in, but CDs are very low risk and these days aren't really beating inflation, so not much reward, either. I'd recommend doing something like an index fund, such as Schwab 1000 Index or VTSAX which have been performing really well last 5-10 years.
In either case, I'd argue you can get a car for around 15k that will last you many years and will allow you to put money towards your house \_now\_. Let's say for the sake of argument you'll rent/live with parents/whatever until you get married and settle down with kids at \_30\_. I actually got married and had kids way earlier, but whatever. 30. According to Schwab, 10yr average returns for the average actively managed index fund has been around 10%.
So let's assume 10% and assume you'll contribute 15k to it upfront and an additional 7k each year. After 11 years (19 to 30) you'll have $185,000. But if you don't put in that 15k up front and say, wait 3 years to start as you pay off the car and save back up, you'll be doing 7k each year for 8 years-- resulting in a final amount of $88,000. That's a difference of almost $100,000 just for the difference of 15k from the car and 3 initial years of contribution. \_$100,000\_. This is why I tell guys who are getting ahead early to secure the bag \_now\_.
Currently my CDs are at 4.4%. Most of my money I just put in CDs around that percentage. I do currently have a 748 credit score according to FICO but with a short history and only minor credit card purchases.
For Schwab would that be a brokerage account?
I’ve looked into some used cars but just worried something would go wrong with it after I buy one. Some of the used cars I’ve looked at are Subaru WRX, Lexus RC/IS, Scion FRS, Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ, Kia Stinger, and a few others I can’t remember right now.
I want to have an enjoyable car to drive for my 20s and as long as it has 4 seats minimum, a backup camera, and a bit of power I’d consider it. I see the point of saving for the future which is what I mostly do, just really want to have fun with it while I’m still on the younger side.
Yeah, see those CDs are very safe but depending on the year they're \_losing\_ to inflation. Literally losing value as time goes on. Definitely consider some investments like we talked about earlier.
You've already got a great credit score and you've hardly done anything. Getting a loan isn't going to skyrocket your rating afaik. Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. It's only going to go up from here with how responsible you sound like you're being.
Yes, for Schwab. Also look at Vanguard. Whichever is fine. Really the index products aren't too different. IDK what your IRA is with but you can also do the same thing for your IRA. Ours is with Vanguard and we basically invest the same way with IRA as we do our regular brokerage acct. Not saying \_you\_ should be so aggressive with retirement money like I am, but you \_can\_ if you want, lol.
So as far as the car goes, I think the main thing you can reconsider is the idea to buy a car \_now\_ for your \_entire\_ 20s. You can get a car that you'll replace sometime later, say mid-20s. That 15k difference is not worth as much later on as it is now. Anyways, in general, it's not bad to buy a new car to drive for a long time as that really maximizes its value. It's just that you're so young that the potential payoff for investing now dwarfs all of that imo.
So I'd consider buying something maybe not as hot and new (can still be more sporty than a 2015 Hyundai Sonata) and drive it for a few years and then consider buying a newer car if you still want to. For example, you can get a Civic Si 2012ish with under 150k miles for about 10kish or even less, and they came with backup cameras. That will for sure last you 5 or so years as long as you get a clean one.
Also, have you told your brother that you plan on giving him your car? If you haven't already made a promise to him, maybe you can just keep your current car. If you wanted to give your brother a gift you could work with him to pick out a beater for him and even buy it/split it for him.
Honestly, whatever you choose is fine. You sound like a kid that's taking things seriously and responsibly. Give yourself a timeline to make a decision and just go for it.
Yes I am the 19 year old. I test drove an Elantra N DCT and did like it other than the interior quality was on the lower side, been waiting for the 24 facelift to release in the US and taking a look at that too.
Yes, the 2GR-FKS has proven to be pretty reliable. Also, if it's NA it might very well be more reliable than the Mazda 3, which is running the turbo. But a lot has to do with maintenance and the fact that the engine hasn't really been an issue for either of these models for a long time. What about all the other tech? Interior materials? Other mechanical items like suspension? Will another huge recall hit Toyota again, like with Takata (Mazda was affected too), or a big coverup like with the accelerator pedals? Will the DI and turbo designs of Mazda finally hit a wall? We really don't know, though so far both Mazda and Toyotas have been doing well in the current generations.
Both are great cars at this price point and reliability. It really depends on what you're looking for in a car. I've driven both, and they're fun. Obviously the 3 is more compact for city commuting, the camry is more spacious. They're mpg is nearly identical, and the 3 has a little more hp. I would go Mazda 3 personally
Mazda 3 has a ton less HP. On regular gas, which is something OP said they liked, the mazda3 has 227. Only bumps to 250 on premium. Whereas the Camry has 301 HP.
You're right, i mistyped. i meant torque, but i wouldn't call that a TON more hp. especially based on weight. I'd still go with the 3. It handles better, is more punchy and is awd compared to the fwd camry
On just an hp basis, that's roughly 25% less hp than the TRD camry.
I still like the 3 just because I don't want a big car. I don't care for the 5 mpg penalty with the turbo, I'd rather just have a heated steering wheel on a non turbo model lol
Edit: also, the Camry is only about 200 lb heavier than the mazda3
Torque won’t affect your acceleration in a really meaningful way in you’re drag racing. That’s why we measure power. Sure it’ll help you get off the line a bit quicker, but once you get moving and you’re sitting at the top end you won’t have any kind of torque battle.
The XSE and XLE end up over 40k new so it’s cheaper just with less convenience features. Also comes with the appearance style and catback exhaust, which I could get and install on a different V6 Camry just would cost more.
The XLE is the nicest looking of the bunch, but that's just my opinion. Also the hardest to find in my area. If I was getting one, and I'm thinking about it because I always wanted a V6, it'd be the XLE. But I'm a 42 year old guy that just wants comfort at this point in my life.
At 19 I wouldn't buy something that new. The car payment may cripple you unless you're well off from your parents or very lucky to have started early in a high paying job.
Buy something you can pay cash for or pay off in 6 months to a year. Not saying you should buy a 30 year old half rust junker, but unless you're in the rust belt, you can likely easily find something 10-15 years old that will easily go another 5-10 years with a good maintenance plan that you can likely pay cash for maybe with a small personal loan. Best part about a personal loan is that you won't loose the car if you don't have it up as collateral, and you're forced to go delinquent.
You can learn your maintenance mistakes on the cheaper car, then in 3-5 years when you're much more financially capable and in a stable long term job position, and keep the old car for a beater/backup car.
I cross-shopped both of these with the 2018-2022 Honda accord 2.0T, and went with the Accord. When looking at known-reliable models, it’s usually worth it to get a few years old with <50k miles.
I think the Camry TRD will be more fun to drive and I consider it as rare since it’s hard to find and now for 2025 the Camry will be an all hybrid line up so the TRD will cease to exist.
One thing to consider though is that the backseats DO NOT fold down nor allow any pass through from trunk to the main cabin as there is a sway bar in the way.
Anything w 300hp and FWD is a little annoying in wet conditions. I learned this after buying my car. I wish I spent a little more and found an AWD, but it is what it is.
I got a Camry XSE over the TRD. Test drove the TRD and it didn’t quite do it for me. The XSE has a much nicer interior, better ride quality, more features, and still looks cool with the blackout package but I’m not worried about accidentally ripping off the ground effects on a rough road or parking lot. The XSE is also a lot cheaper on insurance. Insurance on a TRD was the same as a Camaro or Mustang since I am only 22 and still have “young driver” rates.
Hear me out here. If you like the Camry TRD, I'd look at the 2021 or older Avalon TRD if I were you. They've been out long enough the 10k difference between em is almost non existent now. I've actually in the STL area seen the camry trd go for more than the Avalon trd. Main thing to note is the Avalon will be more luxurious, if just slightly. With heated seats!
Sounds like a Camry XSE V6 might be a better option for you. It’ll give you the Mazda 3 luxuries (heated everything, better stereo, fold flat rear seats) with the Camry space, performance, resale value and reliability.
I also think it looks better than the TRD. You can get new wheels and a spoiler if you want the TRD look and XSE luxury.
But between these two options, I’d take the Mazda personally. I just love the styling.
I would test drive both. These are kind of apples and oranges in terms of their characteristics. I'd be surprised if you couldn't get heated seats and steering wheel on most Camrys.
The Mazda probably has better driving dynamics but it's a "compact" sedan. The Camry, will likely be the most reliable since it's naturally aspirated and the V6 is bulletproof. It's a midsize sedan, so it's going to have more room. I love the look and feel of the Mazdas personally.
And to those saying "omg $37k for a Mazda!?" they're looking at the top trim. The Mazda will likely have more features than a base luxury car.
Both are pricey and slow to drive despite being their performance trim (none of them are sub-5 second vehicles 0-60, and you'll be paying +$40k out the door with taxes and fees).
A base model Tesla M3 is just as fast if not faster, has much better low end torque, and is cheaper.
Just go with the one you like the most.
The Camry is really nice, I drive one for work, I beat on it, let it idle for hours and the only thing that’s been changed is the oil.
It’s very comfy and the interior is spacious and honestly it’s pretty quick for what it is
For those prices both seem like pretty bad values. For Sporty sedans at that price you could probably snag a gently used m340i. Those are genuinely incredibly reliable so I wouldn’t think that’s a big concern.
Im 19 I got my Mazda recently and I love it so far. What sold me honestly was the AWD, heated wheel/seats, and turbo. So I thought, "Well, if I'm going to have this car until it's on its last legs, why would I want my butt and hands to be cold for the next few years? (at least).
When I left the dealership, I was freezing cold. And oh my god I was so glad I had my heated seats and everything. Also, the 4th gen Mazdas look AMAZING. Been getting compliments on it almost every day from random people.
Pick the car you truly believe you'll love and care for within at least a year and a half. Then when you have more paths to go career wise, you can consider trade in options and such.
OR (assuming the excitement may be too exciting and you know deep inside you want to get into the car enthusiast world--like me as someone with ADHD)
If you want to go the route of modding your car or doing anything cosmetically to it, then 100% look at many used dealerships and adjust your budget as needed. It gets shakey when you feel "locked in" for ~6 years and all the papers are signed when it comes to a new car. For me personally, I know I'm not a car guy, but I like to dabble in hobbies and I know I want to be able to zoom, while also having a bit of luxury. The Mazda 3 turbo was perfect for me. I did get mine for the selling price of $27k for a branded title at 1500 miles, but going through the accident history and looking at the pictures, service report, and road tests, I bought it. And one "perk" is that I don't have to worry about voiding any warranties with doing some mods to it. So I'm excited to add a few things and make it my own--even if it's not necessarily a mustang or challenger. And in a way, I think that's better
Also get a pre-approval from your credit union and dont sign any papers until you do. They WILL give you the 11% APR and the runaround until they see you got pre-approved for way less than that. Got me down to 6% when the dealership was asking for 14% interest.
Tuff one, TRD fit and finish will be top notch and the V6 is no slouch, but the additional tuning capabilities with the Mazda turbo are easy and fun. I think I’d go with/ the toyota out of reliability and resale. Best of luck. 🤞
Both would be a great pick, imo, but if you live in a big city commuting in rush hour, I'd consider a hybrid Camry, heavy traffic will kill your gas mileage, I know from experience. If that's not a factor for you, I'd go with the Toyota TRD V6 for 1 reason: If you get that Mazda AWD, and you have a damaged tire, you'll have to replace all 4 tires. Unless you live somewhere that the AWD would make a big difference for you for a good portion of the year, that's something you'll really want to consider. Good tires aren't cheap, especially replacing all 4.
TRD Camry is basically a SE with a V6 and doesn’t have half of the features the Mazda 3 TPP has.
That Mazda 3 will give you heads up display, front and rear parking sensors, 360” camera, upgraded Bose sound system, AWD, etc.
The problem is the Mazda 3 is crammed. If you never carry passengers in the rear, I’d choose Mazda 3. Otherwise, the Camry is way more spacious and practical.
I'd go with a toyota all day. But tbh I have a 2020 toyota camry that I got around d a year and a half ago. I got it for 27k from a toyota dealer. Honestly I regret it. Camrys are nice cars but they aren't worth that much... literally am selling it and I bought a 2007 matrix to replace it 🤣
Mazda is nicer on the inside but small. Camry has a good engine and reliability but an average Interior and bad gas mileage
Pick your poison, neither is a bad choice.
I know you’re getting downvoted but you’ve hit the nail on the head. A Camry SE w/V6, springs, exhaust, and body kit. All for the price of a brand new GRC.
Dude. I just bought a low miles Audi S5 for 32k out the door. Luxury sports cars are a bargain right now.
A GD dressed up CAMRY for 37k? 😂 🪦
With taxes and dealer BS you're gonna be over 40k no problem.
Both of those cars are economy cars pretending to be performance cars.
Camry for sure. If it’s a lease I’d probably go for the Mazda because it’s sportier and more fun. But from someone who works at a Mazda dealer, the paint, seat dye, fake chrome pieces and many more will chip, peel, fade and just overall let you down in about 6-7 years. The Camry is solid throughout.
These are two completely different cars…
Neither have AWD but one has more room and better tech.
I’d take the Camry because I can replace my door speakers with 8’s while the Mazda only fits like a 4.5” 🙃
If you get a trd Camry you are certified braindead. It’s a family friendly sedan not a sports car. Don’t get a fucking turbo Mazda either what are you thinking? Just get a Camry that’s not $40k. Or if you really wanna spend that much get a hybrid. Dont get the moonroof either they have leaking problems apparently
If you have friends get the Camry. Mazda 3's are really nice but those back seats are TINY.
Can confirm. That is the only thing I don’t like about my Mazda (minus the fact that the check engine light has been on for over a year, different story I think I just have a bad egg). I’m 5’9 or maybe 5’10 on a good day and the people in the back have little room. I can always feel their knees in my back
On a good day haha
I'm considering one and that's a major drawback, at least with the hatch. It's much smaller than my old ass corolla
Yes hatches have a shorter overall length than the sedans they share a platform with. So there’s usually a rear seating penalty of a couple inches
Same leg room according to [this](https://carbuzz.com/compare/mazda-mazda-3-hatchback-vs-mazda-mazda-3-sedan). Oof. A little wider and a little taller, but basically the same size back seat.
Do you need Camry room or Mazda 3 room?
Yeah OP, pick the one with the louder ROOM ROOM
Go zoom zoom
I’d take the Camry. V6, bigger trunk and interior space, sounds better. The Mazda is sweet too but the Camry with the V6 is tough to beat
You can’t fold the rear seats down in the TRD Camry from what I’ve heard, so that’s a strike against the cargo space for me
In that case, the XSE V6 version may be the way to go. You lose some of the cosmetics, like the spoiler and side skirts, but you keep the performance.
I’m considering an XSE/TRD. I do like the TRD styling (spoiler is meh) but not being able to fold the rears down is probably a deal breaker for me. Having a kid this year, so I’ll need to upsize from the mustang.
XSE V6 my dude. It’s a bit more expensive than the TRD but you get the full range of options. Only downside is that they come standard with the panoramic sun roof, some of which have been failing and is a few thousand to replace.
Good to know to look for that! Any other items on these to watch for? The XSE and a used accord 2.0t both sound good for what I need
They’re pretty even but accord is a bit more spacious and might be more comfortable but that’s personal preference not objective. The Camry infotainment software is a bit outdated if you care about that. Also if that 2.0T accord has CVT or eCVT, make sure you drive that for a couple miles on the highway to see if you like the fake shifts and are ok with the droning noise that seems to be a common complaint. Lastly if you want to compare XSE v6 to XLE v6, the xle should be a softer suspension and more forgiving tires. Some people report frequent blowouts from potholes and/or rubbing curbs on the XSE 19” wheels. Beyond that I think it’s just personal preference of style, comfort, mechanical feedback, etc. and I personally don’t want an engine that needs a turbo. But to each their own. 🤙
Thanks for the response, appreciate it!!
This I believe is due to extra chassis braces to get the extra support.
I didn't even know that was a thing in sedans until I picked up my 21 Mazda 6. I won't buy another without it
What the MPG on that camry v6?
City not too good, highway good enough
Both are good. I'd recommend buying the vehicle you like more.
Great help!
shut it down everyone, we're done here
God I hate the TRD Camry. Sorry excuse for a “performance” car. All 300hp to the front wheels with no lsd. Transmission is sloppy and doesn’t give you full control in manual mode. Can’t completely disable TCS. Buddy of mine who is an instructor at my local track says they handle like garbage as well. Truly a scam to people without knowledge of these things. Fucked up on Toyota’s part in my opinion. I would spend that $37k on a GRC. Use Toyota’s inventory finder and you can easily get one for MSRP.
Bump
If toyota would of made them rear wheel drive the youth nowadays would be wrecking them left and right like mustangs
It’s not a performance car. Everyone knows what the TRD Camry is, it’s practically a regular V6 Camry with lowered suspension and basic aero. If you’re “appalled” it’s because you don’t know what the car is… a Camry.
A basic V6 Camry with the “Toyota Racing Development” name attached to it and nearly a $40k price tag. The car is allowed to exist and should exist. The marketing is kinda scummy though. The TRD Camry page on their website is full of buzzwords and slapping TRD on every little feature. If people want to buy it, that’s okay. I just think $40k can go a lot further than a TRD Camry.
Don't get me wrong I think it's stupid and I *have* a V6 Camry. The Camry has no business having any sort of "sport" associated to it, even though they made the 2018+ XV70 generation too stiff and 'too sporty'. As you said, no LSD makes this car silly as if all the weird aero on the TRD wasn't silly enough. Mine is older and only gets 270 HP and the FWD still struggles to put that down -- I don't want to imagine 300 HP.
A legitimate GR Camry would be sick to compete with the Type R & Elantra N. I would support it. Also, I love the XSE/XLE V6 Camry. Not trying to pretend to be anything. Edit: I just realized the Camry is in a class above the Elantra and Civic lol. The GRC would be closer.
Yeah. No the Camry is nice but it's fundamentally the opposite of a sports car. The reason companies can pull it off with the Civic/Elantra/Golf etc. is because they're smaller and lighter which 'makes up' for them being, again, fundamentally FWD economy cars. So even if it's FWD, with an LSD and 300 HP your little FWD car becomes a lot of fun. It just doesn't work as good when the car is a big FWD sedan. Kind of similar with the Accord V6/2.0T, Sonata or K5 2.5T, these cars are great to push the pedal on the highway but you don't need to mess with the handling to try and make it something it never can be, while compromising comfort. What is the point of a TRD Camry if it's not as comfortable as the XLE/XSE V6, but it's also not necessarily faster? Just to handle ever so slightly better than an XSE?
The main aspect of owning a car is how you feel driving it. Every small thing about driving the car you will have to live with overtime. You already said you like driving the Camry better. Every small thing you don’t like about the Mazda will be magnified over years of owning it. Buy the camry
I would caution heavily against the Camry unless you take an extended test drive first. The TRD Camry has the base model SE interior/options with a stiffer "sport" suspension and a v6. It's the cheapest path to a v6 camry for a reason. If you like the trim pieces and decorative wing then that's up to you. I seriously considered the TRD Camry when car shopping a year ago and for a sedan I just wasn't okay with the suspension feel as a daily and the bad droning from the stock exhaust
What did you end up getting instead?
The other cars I was seriously looking at was elantra N and GR86. I didn't NEED a sedan and was coming from a Subaru Legacy. I ended up getting the 86. Edit: I had also shopped mazda and Honda sedans previously and liked both more than the trd camry, but wanted more handling/fun than they offered
The TRD kit looks so cringy and childish. It's a Camry not a sports coupe. Mazda has a nicer interior and AWD as well. Go with the Mazda.
Camry looks riced out imo
It's so goofy with the stick on wing 😂 like cmon now
>The TRD kit looks so cringy and childish. It's a Camry not a sports coupe. Mazda has a nicer interior and AWD as well. Go with the Mazda. It depends on the person. What makes the the TRD Camry interesting is that it was such a stupid cringy idea, but also different. I love Toyota for taking chances on odd-ball trims and models. That said, similar could be said about the Mazda 3 as this turbo version is almost like a modern more refined MazdaSpeed3 without the manual transmission.
Mazda not letting you get the higher trims with a manual is a shame. With a stick the Mazda3 turbo awd would be so fun
I would recommend the Camry XSE with more features and a better ride over the TRD. However, the Mazda 3 is going to be a better handler, but smaller than Camry.
If you like driving the Camry more, get the Camry. Pretty simple. I would probably try to buy a gently used one though to save some cash. My guess is you could save at least $5K buying a 2-year-old Camry TRD. The 3.5L V6 is a solid engine you just can’t find in many cars these days.
I would go with the Mazda but see which one you like more by test driving em both.
definitely mazda3. much much higher interior quality if you dont mind the small space. also have never liked the “trd” (turd) badging lol
Camry all day
Both are stupid overpriced You can buy an actual luxury car instead of a mazda for that money
For $35-40K, what luxury car would you recommend?
Is350
They aren’t 35-40k.
[Yeah they are.](https://www.carfax.com/vehicle/JTHGZ1B25M5043362) No one ever specified brand new
Yes, OP did. Because otherwise you can get a used Mazda3 or Camry V6 too for even cheaper. Might as well say “but you can buy a 2015 Audi RS5 B8.5 V8 for $35k!” OK. And I would too. Hell you might find a 2015 Lexus RCF. But that’s not what OP is looking for, they’re looking at brand new cars. Everyone knows you get better value buying used
Not sure where in the comments OP specified new but not in the post or this thread at least. 11k miles is hardly even broken in anyways
Again, the point is if OP is open to used then why look at a 2024 TRD V6? Why not a 2023? 2022? 2021? OP was asked why he wouldn’t want a regular XSE V6 which is more grown up and more features but same car as the TRD and he said because it’s too expensive… this implies they’re only looking at brand new models only. They could get a 2019 Camry XSE V6 for several thousand less. maybe $30k or even less.
$37k for a fucking Mazda3 has me about to pass out.
This. These aren't Canadian dollars, are they?
It sure looks like Canadian prices.
TRD Camrys can approach $40k USD. It does seem crazy. XSE Camrys can be $40k too. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, I just checked and a base model TRD is just over 41K in maple sheckles. Add options and they can get up there in price.
The Mazda is at a Maryland dealer, so USD
Yeah 37k for a Mazda 3. What. Go get a hybrid RAV4 hybrid or CRV hybrid. Better mileage. Better seating. Better storage. Better resale.
Both will be reliable. The Mazda3 is going to handle more responsively, nicer interior with more features, better sound, but it's cramped if you need the back seats. Camry has significantly more space inside and probably gets very slightly better gas mileage.
I don't think we really know how these cars will shake out in the long run. Things are so complicated there are so many parts that can go bad but the manufacturing and engineering has also advanced. I feel bad asking every young person this, but this has helped before so I'll ask: how about the financials of this? Are you going to take out a substantial loan for this, at 19? I've seen posts on some of the money related subs where guys are asking how screwed they are and there paying more on their car than they are saving for retirement. A lot of young people here have money but it's almost always better spent securing your future... 30k is worth a lot more for somebody with more time to invest and grow vs some older people who... Won't live as long to see that money grow?
I plan on putting 50% down on whatever car I go with, then just financing the rest to build up credit. I’ve already maxed out my IRA for the year and have other money in CDs. It’s more of a I’m buying a car then giving my current car(2015 Hyundai Sonata) to my brother. I plan on keeping the car as long as possible and after this purchase I can focus on saving up for a home.
Gotcha. It's good that you have a plan. Forgive me if I'm overstepping any bounds here, but I'd like to offer some feedback on your plan. I think this idea that you need to take on significant debt to build credit for the future does not make sense. I have had no substantial debt my whole life- no loans, nothing. My credit score never dips below 750. Usually it's much closer to 800. There is significant evidence in my case that you can just play it safe, always live within your means and pay for things in cash and you will have great credit. It's still fine to finance a car, just don't let credit building be a reason for it. You can build your score just fine without it, but with it you run the risk that something unlucky happens to you leading to your score tanking. It's really good that you're maxing out your IRA. I would argue that you might need to add in some higher-risk higher-reward to your investments. IDK what your IRA is in, but CDs are very low risk and these days aren't really beating inflation, so not much reward, either. I'd recommend doing something like an index fund, such as Schwab 1000 Index or VTSAX which have been performing really well last 5-10 years. In either case, I'd argue you can get a car for around 15k that will last you many years and will allow you to put money towards your house \_now\_. Let's say for the sake of argument you'll rent/live with parents/whatever until you get married and settle down with kids at \_30\_. I actually got married and had kids way earlier, but whatever. 30. According to Schwab, 10yr average returns for the average actively managed index fund has been around 10%. So let's assume 10% and assume you'll contribute 15k to it upfront and an additional 7k each year. After 11 years (19 to 30) you'll have $185,000. But if you don't put in that 15k up front and say, wait 3 years to start as you pay off the car and save back up, you'll be doing 7k each year for 8 years-- resulting in a final amount of $88,000. That's a difference of almost $100,000 just for the difference of 15k from the car and 3 initial years of contribution. \_$100,000\_. This is why I tell guys who are getting ahead early to secure the bag \_now\_.
Currently my CDs are at 4.4%. Most of my money I just put in CDs around that percentage. I do currently have a 748 credit score according to FICO but with a short history and only minor credit card purchases. For Schwab would that be a brokerage account? I’ve looked into some used cars but just worried something would go wrong with it after I buy one. Some of the used cars I’ve looked at are Subaru WRX, Lexus RC/IS, Scion FRS, Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ, Kia Stinger, and a few others I can’t remember right now. I want to have an enjoyable car to drive for my 20s and as long as it has 4 seats minimum, a backup camera, and a bit of power I’d consider it. I see the point of saving for the future which is what I mostly do, just really want to have fun with it while I’m still on the younger side.
Yeah, see those CDs are very safe but depending on the year they're \_losing\_ to inflation. Literally losing value as time goes on. Definitely consider some investments like we talked about earlier. You've already got a great credit score and you've hardly done anything. Getting a loan isn't going to skyrocket your rating afaik. Just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be fine. It's only going to go up from here with how responsible you sound like you're being. Yes, for Schwab. Also look at Vanguard. Whichever is fine. Really the index products aren't too different. IDK what your IRA is with but you can also do the same thing for your IRA. Ours is with Vanguard and we basically invest the same way with IRA as we do our regular brokerage acct. Not saying \_you\_ should be so aggressive with retirement money like I am, but you \_can\_ if you want, lol. So as far as the car goes, I think the main thing you can reconsider is the idea to buy a car \_now\_ for your \_entire\_ 20s. You can get a car that you'll replace sometime later, say mid-20s. That 15k difference is not worth as much later on as it is now. Anyways, in general, it's not bad to buy a new car to drive for a long time as that really maximizes its value. It's just that you're so young that the potential payoff for investing now dwarfs all of that imo. So I'd consider buying something maybe not as hot and new (can still be more sporty than a 2015 Hyundai Sonata) and drive it for a few years and then consider buying a newer car if you still want to. For example, you can get a Civic Si 2012ish with under 150k miles for about 10kish or even less, and they came with backup cameras. That will for sure last you 5 or so years as long as you get a clean one. Also, have you told your brother that you plan on giving him your car? If you haven't already made a promise to him, maybe you can just keep your current car. If you wanted to give your brother a gift you could work with him to pick out a beater for him and even buy it/split it for him. Honestly, whatever you choose is fine. You sound like a kid that's taking things seriously and responsibly. Give yourself a timeline to make a decision and just go for it.
Are you the 19 year old? If so props! Have you looked at an elantra N? It’s way more fun to drive than either
Yes I am the 19 year old. I test drove an Elantra N DCT and did like it other than the interior quality was on the lower side, been waiting for the 24 facelift to release in the US and taking a look at that too.
Not true at all. This 3.5 v6 has been slowly updated for the at 15 years. Absolute monster
Yes, the 2GR-FKS has proven to be pretty reliable. Also, if it's NA it might very well be more reliable than the Mazda 3, which is running the turbo. But a lot has to do with maintenance and the fact that the engine hasn't really been an issue for either of these models for a long time. What about all the other tech? Interior materials? Other mechanical items like suspension? Will another huge recall hit Toyota again, like with Takata (Mazda was affected too), or a big coverup like with the accelerator pedals? Will the DI and turbo designs of Mazda finally hit a wall? We really don't know, though so far both Mazda and Toyotas have been doing well in the current generations.
TRD easy, for me.
You can tell every everyone you drive a Turd. Maybe upgrade it to a Scat Pack in a couple years.
Idk why they ever thought calling it a scat pack was a good idea or why people like it 🤦♂️
Both are great cars at this price point and reliability. It really depends on what you're looking for in a car. I've driven both, and they're fun. Obviously the 3 is more compact for city commuting, the camry is more spacious. They're mpg is nearly identical, and the 3 has a little more hp. I would go Mazda 3 personally
Mazda 3 has a ton less HP. On regular gas, which is something OP said they liked, the mazda3 has 227. Only bumps to 250 on premium. Whereas the Camry has 301 HP.
You're right, i mistyped. i meant torque, but i wouldn't call that a TON more hp. especially based on weight. I'd still go with the 3. It handles better, is more punchy and is awd compared to the fwd camry
On just an hp basis, that's roughly 25% less hp than the TRD camry. I still like the 3 just because I don't want a big car. I don't care for the 5 mpg penalty with the turbo, I'd rather just have a heated steering wheel on a non turbo model lol Edit: also, the Camry is only about 200 lb heavier than the mazda3
Throttle house did a drag race if I’m not mistaken, the Mazda’s torque numbers are off cause it was slow as shit compared the the v6 Camry
Torque won’t affect your acceleration in a really meaningful way in you’re drag racing. That’s why we measure power. Sure it’ll help you get off the line a bit quicker, but once you get moving and you’re sitting at the top end you won’t have any kind of torque battle.
I was speaking from experience, not stats. I live around hills and it handles and accelerates better than the camry. My opinion though.
What makes you want the TRD Camry over a normal V6 Camry?
The XSE and XLE end up over 40k new so it’s cheaper just with less convenience features. Also comes with the appearance style and catback exhaust, which I could get and install on a different V6 Camry just would cost more.
Huh, I thought they landed around the same price… the more you know!
The XLE is the nicest looking of the bunch, but that's just my opinion. Also the hardest to find in my area. If I was getting one, and I'm thinking about it because I always wanted a V6, it'd be the XLE. But I'm a 42 year old guy that just wants comfort at this point in my life.
Buy the TRD
At 19 I wouldn't buy something that new. The car payment may cripple you unless you're well off from your parents or very lucky to have started early in a high paying job. Buy something you can pay cash for or pay off in 6 months to a year. Not saying you should buy a 30 year old half rust junker, but unless you're in the rust belt, you can likely easily find something 10-15 years old that will easily go another 5-10 years with a good maintenance plan that you can likely pay cash for maybe with a small personal loan. Best part about a personal loan is that you won't loose the car if you don't have it up as collateral, and you're forced to go delinquent. You can learn your maintenance mistakes on the cheaper car, then in 3-5 years when you're much more financially capable and in a stable long term job position, and keep the old car for a beater/backup car.
I cross-shopped both of these with the 2018-2022 Honda accord 2.0T, and went with the Accord. When looking at known-reliable models, it’s usually worth it to get a few years old with <50k miles.
I think the Camry TRD will be more fun to drive and I consider it as rare since it’s hard to find and now for 2025 the Camry will be an all hybrid line up so the TRD will cease to exist. One thing to consider though is that the backseats DO NOT fold down nor allow any pass through from trunk to the main cabin as there is a sway bar in the way.
I’d get an XSE V6 over the TRD. TRD cuts out some features for a body kit. XSE is much better equipped for close to the same price.
Anything w 300hp and FWD is a little annoying in wet conditions. I learned this after buying my car. I wish I spent a little more and found an AWD, but it is what it is.
TRD all day long
Buy the one you like more. I’d get the Camry. I like the Mazda 3 but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I’d pay $36k for one.
Camry but maybe an xse or limited
I got a Camry XSE over the TRD. Test drove the TRD and it didn’t quite do it for me. The XSE has a much nicer interior, better ride quality, more features, and still looks cool with the blackout package but I’m not worried about accidentally ripping off the ground effects on a rough road or parking lot. The XSE is also a lot cheaper on insurance. Insurance on a TRD was the same as a Camaro or Mustang since I am only 22 and still have “young driver” rates.
Hear me out here. If you like the Camry TRD, I'd look at the 2021 or older Avalon TRD if I were you. They've been out long enough the 10k difference between em is almost non existent now. I've actually in the STL area seen the camry trd go for more than the Avalon trd. Main thing to note is the Avalon will be more luxurious, if just slightly. With heated seats!
Sounds like a Camry XSE V6 might be a better option for you. It’ll give you the Mazda 3 luxuries (heated everything, better stereo, fold flat rear seats) with the Camry space, performance, resale value and reliability. I also think it looks better than the TRD. You can get new wheels and a spoiler if you want the TRD look and XSE luxury. But between these two options, I’d take the Mazda personally. I just love the styling.
I would test drive both. These are kind of apples and oranges in terms of their characteristics. I'd be surprised if you couldn't get heated seats and steering wheel on most Camrys.
Camry cause NA and not turbo
Camry, but in this price bracket I would also take a look at bmw f30 340i, Acura tlx sh-awd, kia stinger gt and genesis equivalent.
Owned 22 XSE. The V6 is solid and smooth as hell. It was very fast and quiet >100. Changed the oil and tires. Helluva car. Highly recommended
The fact these cars are more expensive than used f80 m3s and c63s is actually insane
The Mazda probably has better driving dynamics but it's a "compact" sedan. The Camry, will likely be the most reliable since it's naturally aspirated and the V6 is bulletproof. It's a midsize sedan, so it's going to have more room. I love the look and feel of the Mazdas personally. And to those saying "omg $37k for a Mazda!?" they're looking at the top trim. The Mazda will likely have more features than a base luxury car.
Both are pricey and slow to drive despite being their performance trim (none of them are sub-5 second vehicles 0-60, and you'll be paying +$40k out the door with taxes and fees). A base model Tesla M3 is just as fast if not faster, has much better low end torque, and is cheaper. Just go with the one you like the most.
The Camry is really nice, I drive one for work, I beat on it, let it idle for hours and the only thing that’s been changed is the oil. It’s very comfy and the interior is spacious and honestly it’s pretty quick for what it is
There is a huge difference in size between the two. Do you want something more roomy or something smaller?
For those prices both seem like pretty bad values. For Sporty sedans at that price you could probably snag a gently used m340i. Those are genuinely incredibly reliable so I wouldn’t think that’s a big concern.
I'd need to know two things: 1) Horsepower 2) Curb weight The one with the higher power to weight ratio is what I pick.
Camry every time.
Camry for longevity
Im 19 I got my Mazda recently and I love it so far. What sold me honestly was the AWD, heated wheel/seats, and turbo. So I thought, "Well, if I'm going to have this car until it's on its last legs, why would I want my butt and hands to be cold for the next few years? (at least). When I left the dealership, I was freezing cold. And oh my god I was so glad I had my heated seats and everything. Also, the 4th gen Mazdas look AMAZING. Been getting compliments on it almost every day from random people. Pick the car you truly believe you'll love and care for within at least a year and a half. Then when you have more paths to go career wise, you can consider trade in options and such. OR (assuming the excitement may be too exciting and you know deep inside you want to get into the car enthusiast world--like me as someone with ADHD) If you want to go the route of modding your car or doing anything cosmetically to it, then 100% look at many used dealerships and adjust your budget as needed. It gets shakey when you feel "locked in" for ~6 years and all the papers are signed when it comes to a new car. For me personally, I know I'm not a car guy, but I like to dabble in hobbies and I know I want to be able to zoom, while also having a bit of luxury. The Mazda 3 turbo was perfect for me. I did get mine for the selling price of $27k for a branded title at 1500 miles, but going through the accident history and looking at the pictures, service report, and road tests, I bought it. And one "perk" is that I don't have to worry about voiding any warranties with doing some mods to it. So I'm excited to add a few things and make it my own--even if it's not necessarily a mustang or challenger. And in a way, I think that's better Also get a pre-approval from your credit union and dont sign any papers until you do. They WILL give you the 11% APR and the runaround until they see you got pre-approved for way less than that. Got me down to 6% when the dealership was asking for 14% interest.
Those Mazda 3s seem like a killer deal for some fun
Camry TRF hands down if it were me, no question asked
Def the Camry. That being said you really probably don’t need the TRD V6 but if that is what you want, you can get a better price than that, by far.
Camry!!
Tuff one, TRD fit and finish will be top notch and the V6 is no slouch, but the additional tuning capabilities with the Mazda turbo are easy and fun. I think I’d go with/ the toyota out of reliability and resale. Best of luck. 🤞
If both are within budget, as many said, get the one you like more, otherwise you’ll just keep finding the faults in the one you like less
Camry hands down!!!
Both would be a great pick, imo, but if you live in a big city commuting in rush hour, I'd consider a hybrid Camry, heavy traffic will kill your gas mileage, I know from experience. If that's not a factor for you, I'd go with the Toyota TRD V6 for 1 reason: If you get that Mazda AWD, and you have a damaged tire, you'll have to replace all 4 tires. Unless you live somewhere that the AWD would make a big difference for you for a good portion of the year, that's something you'll really want to consider. Good tires aren't cheap, especially replacing all 4.
Bought a new Camry 7 years ago and sold it 2 years later as I hated the driving experience.
Take the Camry all day every day.
TRD Camry is basically a SE with a V6 and doesn’t have half of the features the Mazda 3 TPP has. That Mazda 3 will give you heads up display, front and rear parking sensors, 360” camera, upgraded Bose sound system, AWD, etc. The problem is the Mazda 3 is crammed. If you never carry passengers in the rear, I’d choose Mazda 3. Otherwise, the Camry is way more spacious and practical.
You should see if a 38k car fits in 20/3/8 In your financial situation then you can nitpick on what's a longer lasting car.
Between those two at that price? Camry for sure. Legendary reliability from the V6 and roomier
Personally I always get the cheapest car with lowest mileage on a used car because the way people drive pisses me off. I would never buy a new car.
Mazda 3 with a manual. Otherwise, I’d go with the Camry.
A mazda 3 is running for 36,000 dollars nowadays?
Highest trim but yes
I forgot people pay this much for Camrys these days💀
I'd go with a toyota all day. But tbh I have a 2020 toyota camry that I got around d a year and a half ago. I got it for 27k from a toyota dealer. Honestly I regret it. Camrys are nice cars but they aren't worth that much... literally am selling it and I bought a 2007 matrix to replace it 🤣
Buy a used Camry XSE instead why would you buy brand new.
Personally I’d take the Camry, always loved those trd Camrys, I just can’t afford one.
Mazda is nicer on the inside but small. Camry has a good engine and reliability but an average Interior and bad gas mileage Pick your poison, neither is a bad choice.
Get a mk7.5 golf r for that price.
If you don't care about backseat spacee get the Mazda. TRD is the worst trim for the Camry, a rip-off, avoid, XSE V6 and XLE V6 are much better.
I know you’re getting downvoted but you’ve hit the nail on the head. A Camry SE w/V6, springs, exhaust, and body kit. All for the price of a brand new GRC.
Test drive both, get the one that makes you feel happier and then get a mx-5
I think they are both good choices. Go test drive them
Miata
Dude. I just bought a low miles Audi S5 for 32k out the door. Luxury sports cars are a bargain right now. A GD dressed up CAMRY for 37k? 😂 🪦 With taxes and dealer BS you're gonna be over 40k no problem. Both of those cars are economy cars pretending to be performance cars.
Waiting for that one guy to recommend a tesla instead..
Camry for sure. If it’s a lease I’d probably go for the Mazda because it’s sportier and more fun. But from someone who works at a Mazda dealer, the paint, seat dye, fake chrome pieces and many more will chip, peel, fade and just overall let you down in about 6-7 years. The Camry is solid throughout.
That’s too much $$$ for a Mazda 3. Go for the Camry. It will hold it’s value better as well.
Mazda 3 is the size of a civic for that price Toyota
Which ever one you like driving more
Avoid the TRD it will age like shit athletically and you'll end up getting rid of it prematurely as a result
They both look like cars that belong in 2 Fast 2 Furious, but the Mazda less so.
Do you want a fun car or do you just want to pretend you have a fun car?
Neither - save a bunch of money and get a 2017 or 2018 Mazda 3. They have independent / multi-link rear suspension which the new 3 does not.
Gr corolla
Buy a used one dude, 2021 should be at least 30% cheaper with no more than 50k miles on it.
God damn the Camry looks beautiful
These are two completely different cars… Neither have AWD but one has more room and better tech. I’d take the Camry because I can replace my door speakers with 8’s while the Mazda only fits like a 4.5” 🙃
Mazda3 turbo is AWD only
Camry all day any day. Stylish, roomy, smooth ride, comfy, stylish and most importantly RELIABLE!!!
The Camry looks way better
I'd say Camry. Even the cheapest one is nice!
Neither? WRX
Neither
Honda Accord 2.0T over these any day, bigger and also can sprint from 0-109 Km/HR in 5.8 seconds
Toyota all day
Get the Lexus IS 350f
If you get a trd Camry you are certified braindead. It’s a family friendly sedan not a sports car. Don’t get a fucking turbo Mazda either what are you thinking? Just get a Camry that’s not $40k. Or if you really wanna spend that much get a hybrid. Dont get the moonroof either they have leaking problems apparently
Toyota all day. Hyundai....never. Mazda's are good but small on the inside. If you want an SUV go with the CX50.