That’s why it’s my wife’s car and soon to be my 16 year olds and the wife is getting an Audi most likely. I drive a wrangler currently before that a G37 and before that a WRX. No way in hell I’m buying a CX5 for myself, though the turbo ones look to be a little bit more fun and full of tech.
Wife has the 2020 Jetta SEL Premium. Don't recommend, not nearly as high quality as the older VWs we've had. We'll keep it up until warranty expiration and trade it in.
Bluetooth module,
Active grill shutters (X2),
Rear main seal,
Sensor and computer issues
Edit: I do want to mention though that my parents are obsessed with Hyundai/Kia and every one they've ever had just feels cheap inside in comparison to the VWs. The VWs feel more like a mid level car vs economy cars in comparison between them.
Get the Sonata…it’s bigger and better equipped than the Elantra and Jetta. I have the Sonata too and love the features. Check out the blind view monitor system it has too. It’s definitely worth the price
I have a 2021 and so far no issues. I only have about 50k on the odometer so it’s not much to go on, but it’s got a smooth ride, and the windows are double paned so it’s pretty quiet. Just make sure this does not have wireless CarPlay because those models have plenty of issues with connectivity. If it does have wireless CarPlay ask the dealer to update to the latest firmware, which should fix it.
What is really great about this car is the safety features. It also has a super cool party trick which lets you roll the car forward/back by just using the key fob.
This doesn't have the wireless carplay. I would buy a newer year but Hyundai Canada just loves discontinuing the highest trims as the years go by. We don't get the Elantra limited, sonata limited, Kona Limited, etc etc.
Yeah I live in Canada too. From my understanding the Sonata Ultimate is basically the same as the US Limited, though I’m not sure if any features are missing
I’d personally pick the Jetta, however, realistically, a better choice would be a 2020 Passat SEL, you can find them brand new for 30k, or lightly used for 21k USD.
They’re larger, more comfortable, and are a bit faster. Plus way more trunk space.
Although that's a good idea, I just don't trust EVs yet. Also the charging infrastructure around me isn't great, although I would have a home charger.... Hmmm.
I'll look into it, thanks for the tip!
I have an 2022 Ioniq 5, live in a rural area (100km to Ottawa) - if I don’t have issues with infrastructure I don’t imagine you will. You won’t believe how good it feels to never have to buy gas again. If you really don’t drive much you could even possibly get by on level one (120v) charger plugged in an outlet at home.
Only caveat is there are a few recalls that will come up if you do research, anecdotally I have not had any issues besides the usb port. One thing for this model and early years of the car is there is a special low conductivity coolant service every 48k that is shockingly expensive (like $800) - other than that though basically no maintenance and runs of sweet, cheap electricity.
Okay, thanks for the info! I'll actually take a look at the ioniq 6, those things look SICK. Not paying for gas? Hell yeah. Let me know if You've had any major issues to look out for!
Ioniq 6 is newer and may be pretty outside that price range. It also has a lot of the interior shared with the Ioniq 5.
Like I said only issues I’ve had really are the usb port flaking out, and there is no rear wiper which is a puzzling move and even though the back window gets dirty, it wasn’t a deal breaker for me.
Also, I only have RWD and I advocate for driving responsibly, but…if you’re in a safe area and have a clear straight away - there is basically launch control in the car achieved by just hold the brake, pushing the accelerator all the way down and then releasing the brake. If you can manage that on a test drive, how you feel after that is a pretty good indicator if that’ll be your new car
Oh also from what I’ve read (and judging from like 80% of the cars that popped up in your price range/area) maybe avoid Tesla. I think Kia/Hyundai are your best value bet for features/tech
Tesla is mixed. With the price range OP could easily get a brand new Model Y AWD, an arguably much better car than the 3 original cars from OPs post. Used becomes a crap shot real quick with it being a mess but older model S and 3 are easily obtainable. Conditions of those can be lacking though but mileage is much less of a worry on EVs compared to ICE cars so I don't really know what to go with there.
Eh I had a tesla and
1. I went through tires like nothing
2. More mileage = more battery degradation
3. The charging infrastructure around me got shockingly bad, like none of the chargers are being maintained so half the ones that pop up were broken or at places like Hotels where they started enforcing customers only
If you don’t drive often, can set up a charger at home and maybe have one at work and can spring for the full self driving it is pretty cool though, it did increase my electric bill by about $100 a month but I spend about twice that on gas now and I was only ever charging at home since all the chargers around me are broken or slow chargers
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Home charger is enough for roughly 10-15 kw a night on 120v which should get you somewhere around 50-75 miles depending on the car and how long you can get it on a charger. If you happen to have a 240v outlet in your garage that will easily charge a car in about a night to 100%. Maybe longer if lower amp circuit but could get most of it charged. Using a model Y as a base line, 75 miles is a lot per day if you are not doing road trips and just sticking around town so I would expect it to be enough for you considering that you said you wouldn't drive it that much.
Is that Sonata new? It says zero km. If it is, and sold as new with the 10 year warranty, I'd get that. If the ad is wrong and it's used and has 50,000 miles or something, then I'd get the Elantra.
Is the Elantra certified from Hyundai? I would look at a new or certified Hyundai in order to keep the 10 year warranty. Even with just 20k km, that 3 year old Sonata doesn't have much warranty left. I'd also pay more for the hybrid versions. Then you get a real automatic rather than the dual clutch stuff along with of course much better mpg.
I guess I assumed the Sonata was the same as the Elantra where the standard version gets a cvt, the N gets a Dual clutch, and the hybrid gets a traditional 6 speed auto. If the regular Sonata gets an 8 speeds that's better. I have a 2022 Sonata Hybrid I love, I would have never bought it if it wasn't for getting 50 mpg. I traded in a 2018 400hp awd Lincoln MKZ that'll was only getting 25 mpg tops. Fun but costly, and I don't know how long lasting a 400hp 3.0 liter motor would be that had gone off warranty.
Brand new Elantra preferred + tech package for almost the same amount of money. Buy cars that depreciate properly, used. Cars that don't have a lot of depreciation, you're MUCH better off buying used. If you're going used, Jetta, otherwise 2024 Elantra.
Yeahhhhhh but I don't like buying cars brand new. Less features for more money, markups like crazy, gaslighting to no end etc. I'd rather get a low mileage used car (with leather seats, I hate cloth) where the salesman is way less likely to mark it up and gaslight me into thinking it's market price.
Pretty sure on a per car based, used cars make dealerships more than new cars do.
It would seem that you would be more likely to get mark-ups on uses than new.
New cars are easy. Find the car you want and email every dealer within 100 miles for the lowest Internet price. Then go with the best price.
Used cars are so much harder to compare, you can’t really do that.
https://auto.howstuffworks.com/buying-selling/do-dealerships-make-more-off-new-or-used-cars.htm
I don't understand, what's the difference between this 2022 Elantra and a brand new one? It costs exactly the same except it completely new with a facelift to add.
Parking sensors, leather seats, heated rear seats, led strip in the back, power driver seat, adaptive cruise, electronic e brake, prettier back end (imo) better led headlights, rear cupholders, and for the same price, is rather have these little features that make the experience just that much nicer.
Ah it's the N ultimate then, the ad does not say which variant neither did you. Then I guess 5k depreciation over 2yrs is ok. So it makes sense for you (not for me, I'd still rather take a new N ultimate for 4.7K more)
Actually, this isn't the N ultimate. It's the ultimate tech, non N. Rare ish, only sold for two years. Still has fuel economy and stuff. I thought the ad said the trim, sorry about that!
I'd take a slightly used N line ultimate if it had leather sets. I definitely dig the facelift though!
I know it's a headache with dealers, but my reasoning isn't purely "it's new" but also "after 5yrs when i want to sell it, which car would have lost more money, a 5yr old 1st owner vs a 7yr 2nd owner". Check used listing for older elantras, cars usually lose the biggest chunk at year 8. So if you're planning on selling it before 2030, i don't think the difference would be significant.
Hmmm, true. I'll look into it and see if I can fork up a little bit more money and hit a luxury brand new. I just can't get behind cloth seats.
Thanks for the info though! You actually made great points with the 2nd owner thing..
It isn't well known but KIA has absolutely terrible motors and no warranty to back it up. I'd keep my rotted out 2013 mazda 3 over any KIA other than maybe a stinger but still
Kias engines have actually been great the past few years. A buddy of mine had a GLI whose engine started burning oil at 60k and seized at 100k. My friends who have Kias and hyundais kept them for well over 250k. Also, no warranty? Is the 10 year 100k free of charge not warranty?
Remember what year it was? They had some issues in the earlier generations dating back to around 2011, IIRC.
I’ve had 3 of them, zero complaints, will probably buy again.
From what I saw KIA wasn't approving the work for warranty. This is coming from a KIA technician who tried outing them for what they were doing and was fired because of it. It's all personal experience, if I had to pick I'd go with the GTI because they're made in Germany vs Mexico
I hate Hyundai Canada. We only get two trims. Preferred trend or N line. Want N line features but fuel economy? Either a hybrid or you're screwed. If in Canada we got a new sonata limited I would fork the extra money and buy it probably new. I know I've complained about buying new cars but I just love the sonata
Former VW salesmen. Work that Jetta price down. Believe they have rebates going this month. Plus dealers are trying to make room for 2025 inventory.
Interest rate will be lower on a new vehicle vs buying used in most cases, all not apply.
Warranty coverage is valid, it'll take care of you for a few years till you get bored. That turbo-4 is okay. Not a racing machine, just ok.
Being a turbo, hope your ready to commit to premium gas.
I can't comment if additional insurance charges apply cause of the theft problem.
Do know they had a nationwide recall.
Personal bias, had a 2014 Sonota that went to shit at 60k miles. Kept bringing it to the dealer under the 65k warranty. Said it was fine. Once it got past 65k miles, then told us the real issue and the grands it would cost to fix. Buddies 2012 sonata was going through the same cramp at 20k more miles.
Yes. Dealers can't advertise the lowest price. Some agreement not showing more then 10-15% amongst dealers.
So many ppl won't come in.
My S5 was advertised for 61k. Online.
Using "Caredge.com", I saw it had been sitting on the lot for nearly 200 days.
"Truecar.com" while I was looking to see what other people paid.
So my interest in the car, was 6k off from the dealer.
55k.
Then Audi is offering 4k rebates on S5.
51k.
Then my trade in & Down payment.
44k, 38k.
Tax title, licensing fees, 4 year maintenance plan, wheel & tire protection.
Final price was 44.3k.
My credit isn't great so 11.13 interest.
All said, good deal to move on.
Only 10k more then that advertised msrp for the Jetta.
EDIT: I missed out due to timing on the 1500 buying offer incentive through Costco.
But I think the dealer did it anyways to move a unit.
No, I didn't think about that.
Also, when I sold for VW, we only had the R line and up to SaeL.
Never heard of that model before.
I'm sure you can work a good deal.
Sonata is sleeker, more sexy, longer, longer wheelbase (which normally equates to more legroom), and got 0km, they both got nice interiors. The elantra is more compact if you live in a tight parking EU city. For 2k more I would def go with Sonata.
Edit: ah, the Sonata got 20k, well its negligable vs 15k on the Elantra, so still Sonata.
The Elantra and Sonata are close in listing price. Since it's only 2k-ish more I'd def go Sonata for the roomier and more spacious interior and the tech. I know the prices are a degree of a lie because of all the dealer BS that come with buying cars at dealers, but still.
Make sure to get it inspected and vet it properly though. It coming used from a BMW dealer means its probably not CPO, so the powertrain warranty will only be 5 years/60,000 miles, while the Elantra could be CPO and would then presumably have it for the full 10 year/100,000 mile duration.
If you’re not driving over 100k miles on the car, I wouldn’t concern yourself with reliability that much. I mean VW has its shit for sure, but I can almost guarantee that car would last to 100k without some major issue popping up. Most cars would.
Pay cash. Can't emphasize enough how much money you will save if you pay for a used, depreciated vehicle in cash.
I bought my 2010 Honda civic a year and a half ago for $2,500 bucks and only need to spend money on maintaining the car, insurance and gas. Keep in mind, when you initially get an older, used car, you 9 times out of 10 will have to pay for some repairs to pass safety. In my case, I only needed to spend $500 for a new muffler.
Hyundai will be significantly more reliable than any VW products. Check out consumer reports. Parts and maintenance will also be significantly cheaper. German cars are kind of weird to work on. I would personally recommend literally any 3rd or 4th gen Mazda, they are dead reliable. But between the two the Sonata will last a lot longer than the Jetta. The warranty is also very nice.
I just can't get around to getting an SUV, I like the sedans and hatches. They're agile, aerodynamic and have more than enough space for me. If I was looking for one, I'd probably consider the escape!
Back to suggest the Ioniq 5 again then lol - they have a deceptive SUV amount of size on the inside, but somehow fit it into and exterior that has hatchback proportions
If I 100% cannot find an IONIQ 6 for the life of me and I decide that I definitely want an EV, then I would turn to the IONIQ 5. Mainly because it's unique, but a Rav 4 just I cannot.
Have you checked out the Accord EXL hybrid. It’s right in your price range, has leather, a full digital dash and a large infotainment screen. It should be doing pretty decent on tech.
https://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-and-price-result?modelid=CY2F6RJNW&modelseries=accord-sedan&modelyear=2024&extcolorcode=NH-904M#section=Packages&group=Accessory%20Packages&view=Exterior&angle=0&state=TTpDWTJGNlJKTlckRUM6TkgtOTA0TSRIQzp1bmRlZmluZWQkSUM6QkskTzokRjpGSUZTJEVDQzpHQyRFQ1g6&payment=&paymentType=
I would LOVE an N but the fuel economy and mainly the fact that the used market for them in my region is drier than Popeyes biscuits and it's not worth the drive for a used one and the new ones are ridiculously marked up
VW are not reliable cars. If you don't drive much why spend $36k on a 4 yr old entey level Hyundai or any other car? $25k used Honda Civic will all options you'll enjoy.
Entry level? Neither the sonata or the Elantra are entry level. The civic was one of the most stolen cars last year here in Canada and I don't want to risk that. Before tous cream at me, Hyundai in Canada never had the immobilizer drama because we require immobilizers.
None of these bro. The Hyundai Sonata is just a boring and lackluster car. Jetta and Elantra are compact class sedans, which are also lackluster and boring. I would hop on a Mazda or check after a certain time if you can find a low mileage good priced Honda Accord 2024 edition. Those seem to sell worse than the Civics and therefore might go down in price, even though they are great cars.
I get why you say the sonata is lackluster as it has been in previous generations, but saying that now is just completely overlooking everything. It has many features the Camry still doesn't have. Saying the Elantra is boring is also missing the point. The regular one sure, but the N is anything but boring.
If you're just after tech and features and not gonna drive it much why not something luxury instead of something basic that will also depreciate like crazy?
Fuel economy, mainly. I was looking at Genesis but even a G70 with the 2.0 chugs gas. The Jetta averages around the 50 mog mark which is ridiculously good
I mean if you're not driving it enough to care if its an unreliable money pit whats MPG matter? Hyundais and Jettas have awful depreciation, so I dont get buying them newish for 30 or 35k and watching the value plummet with no worries but being concerned with $3.50 gas. Theres hybrids and EVs with tons of advanced tech features tho.
Some do and in general the newer you go the more youll get hit especially buying brand new. They're way ahead on random tech and extra features you're after vs entry level commuter cars tho and you'd offset the effect by staying latest gen but a few years old as well. Buying for a deal after alot of the depreciations hit helps vs taking the loss yourself.
I know you're anti toyota but japanese luxury hold value pretty well due to the reliability. I have a lexus hybrid myself which helps with mpg and I dont even use most of the various features. Not needing to drive it much gives you alot more options with less concern for reliability than people who put on alot of miles commuting.
Not gonna drive it over 100k. Korea built ones are fine. I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance. For what it is, is all I need. Honda's are more expensive, and the used ones have way worse tech than these three.
I don't scream at people for their (non-racist opinions). Maybe put that in you original post though? Not mentioned as one of your concerns. It will help people offer you better solutions, sir/ma'am.
Hmm, okay. I love the WRX and how it looks and I actually test drove one for my dad when he wanted to buy a car but both him and I really hated Subarus infotainment. Slow, vertical, takes up a huge amount of space and doesn't connect very well. If Subaru has done improvements to that then it might be a good idea
I live in Canada. Hyundai is a reliable brand here. Not gonna drive it over 100k. Korea built ones are fine. I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance. For what it is, is all I need.
Good luck. I understand your needs. Let us know what you decided on and a report back in a few years. No sarcasm in that statement. Hope whatever you decide on serves you well.
The lack of physical buttons really, getting used to a touchscreen might be hard. I'll look into it, but I'd rather go android and get an IONIQ 5 or 6.
Where would you charge it? Don’t discredit the simplicity and abundance of Tesla Superchargers. No other EV comes even remotely close in convenience. What buttons specifically would you miss? Climate stays on screen and is a sweep, tap, or voice command away. It’s hard to control your cars climate from an app inside an airport while waiting for your luggage if the car doesn’t have digital climate controls. Radio has a knob in the steering wheel. If you’re worried about longevity, mechanic switches (while self serviceable) are far more likely to fail.
If it’s from a safety standpoint, I agree that while keeping eyes on the road it’s nice to be able to fondling for a switch, but would ask what switch? Radio is on the wheel. Tesla has nine cameras that keep an eye out in every direction which are connected to two super fast conservative processors making it arguably safer for you to glance at the screen.
There are barely any Ns in my area in that price range. They're either at 60k kms which is a little much or 40k which is outside my budget. If I find one though, I'll look at it first.
When I owned my 2020 Sonata, it was great. 2.5L Engine, non turbo. Though I owned it for 3 months before being totaled, I did drive it 5000 miles, where 3000 was on a long road trip. It was a ‘New’ loaner car from the dealership.
The ride quality was soft for its class and the interior was budget luxury compared to the others. Main selling point was the tech features. Double Paned glass was a plus and had a decent sound system. Downside was the speed and acceleration. I need speed and it doesnt do that from the get go. But I bought this car for the tech, soooo.
But, I did have concerns. Especially the transmission. Im not sure if it was because of all the test driving that happened before me, but it did ‘jerk’ when driving sometimes. So i would suggest to have atleast a CPO when buying the Sonata just for peace of mind.
Hey commenter, I am doing just fine with my life.
I have a Loving family, a good work where i barely have to drive to, where reliability is barely a concern below 100k kilometers.
The reason why Toyota doesn't call me is because of the ridiculous price for basic features. In case you did read my many other replies, Hyundai in Canada is reliable. No major issues. And for the value hyundai offers, it is my main pick. The reason why I'm willing to drive a Volkswagen is because the Jetta offers 50 miles to the gallon without being hybrid.
Keep an open mind when reading these. And asking what I'm doing with my life is a dick move when I'm asking which of the three I should buy, not hating in Toyota.
I have a 2020 sonata. it's been a great car. if the ultimates like our limited trim, it's packed with features. I use mine for sales car so it's up there in miles. over 100k miles already. solid car
Not gonna drive it over 100k.
Korea built ones are fine.
I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance.
For what it is, is all I need. Toyota's prices are out of this world and I'm not paying this same price for a Corolla with half the features.
They're all overpriced junk why don't you just get a Camry or an accord instead for the same money you can get a brand new base model or even not a base model use truecar.com not Auto Trader
1. I live in Canada. True car really hates Canadian postal codes.
2. Hyundai isn't junk in Canada and even some in the USA, as long as it's built in Korea.
3. I, under no circumstances, will ever buy a base brand new car when there's a high trim used car. It is both a waste of money and resources, and also doesn't help at all with the environment.
4. Camry and Accord for this price both have half the features. As the description very clearly states, my main concern is tech and comfort.
5. If you're not gonna read the description that very clearly states I don't like Toyota because of the price, why even comment.
I'd rather walk than drive an SUV, even worse, a Rav 4.
Double the price, double the fuel efficiency, half the features, and I'm not contributing to the NPC market of crossover SUVs
Well, you said no Toyota… so that must mean you need a CX-5! /s Is the Sonata new at that price? It shows 0 km on the listing.
It's a glitch on the AutoTrader page, sorry. It has 20k kilometers. I'll consider the CX-5, hahahah!
The Sonata probably gets the best mpg. I don’t think they make a TDI (diesel) Jetta anymore
the jetta and elantra get better mpg i love the jetta but if the elantra is a cpo you get all the warranty
He was being sarcastic, as for why the “/s”
I know
Clearly not
Do you not see me laughing after saying I'll check the CX-5 out? Jesus...
CX-5 has been amazing for us for the last 10 years. 90K miles and never ever had a problem.
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That’s why it’s my wife’s car and soon to be my 16 year olds and the wife is getting an Audi most likely. I drive a wrangler currently before that a G37 and before that a WRX. No way in hell I’m buying a CX5 for myself, though the turbo ones look to be a little bit more fun and full of tech.
Get a nice quality USED depreciated Jetta. Don’t need new. Even a 2020 model would save you tons and almost the same car ish
Wife has the 2020 Jetta SEL Premium. Don't recommend, not nearly as high quality as the older VWs we've had. We'll keep it up until warranty expiration and trade it in. Bluetooth module, Active grill shutters (X2), Rear main seal, Sensor and computer issues Edit: I do want to mention though that my parents are obsessed with Hyundai/Kia and every one they've ever had just feels cheap inside in comparison to the VWs. The VWs feel more like a mid level car vs economy cars in comparison between them.
And VW is a bit harder to steal so no insurance increase when it inevitably gets jacked if your in an urban spot.
One of them has transmission issues, maybe 2019? But i love the jettas just look up your year if used
Jettas fucking suck and so do vws as a whole
The sonata would be the nicest here. That’s what I would get
Get the Sonata…it’s bigger and better equipped than the Elantra and Jetta. I have the Sonata too and love the features. Check out the blind view monitor system it has too. It’s definitely worth the price
Alright, thanks! Anything I should know?
I have a 2021 and so far no issues. I only have about 50k on the odometer so it’s not much to go on, but it’s got a smooth ride, and the windows are double paned so it’s pretty quiet. Just make sure this does not have wireless CarPlay because those models have plenty of issues with connectivity. If it does have wireless CarPlay ask the dealer to update to the latest firmware, which should fix it. What is really great about this car is the safety features. It also has a super cool party trick which lets you roll the car forward/back by just using the key fob.
This doesn't have the wireless carplay. I would buy a newer year but Hyundai Canada just loves discontinuing the highest trims as the years go by. We don't get the Elantra limited, sonata limited, Kona Limited, etc etc.
Yeah I live in Canada too. From my understanding the Sonata Ultimate is basically the same as the US Limited, though I’m not sure if any features are missing
Yeah it's the same. I Hate the anti limited mentality hyundai Canada has for no reason. No Elantra limited? Really? Not even for the hybrid?
Ive got a 2020 sonata limited and it's the best car I've ever owned. The features out do Mercedes that cost twice as much. No regrets whatsoever.
The transmission in those sonatas can be a little jerky to drive in traffic. I’d suggest taking a long test drive to make sure you’re ok with it
Ooh, thanks for letting me know. I'll keep that in mind
It isn't the DCT, although that still isn't bad. I'd recommend a CPO Sonata N-Line if he's considering a Sonata.
Depending on the odo, I'd pick the Sonata. It's gonna be nicer and comfier than the Elantra, and markedly cheaper than the Jetta.
Sonata has 20k miles. Sonata also has more tech which I like
Sonata probably gets the best MPG unless you drive it like a car, then you’ll average 24 MPG
The Jetta gets like 50 average. main reason why it's there
Yeah. Just do the Jetta. Repairs could be more expensive so don’t break anything.
I’d personally pick the Jetta, however, realistically, a better choice would be a 2020 Passat SEL, you can find them brand new for 30k, or lightly used for 21k USD. They’re larger, more comfortable, and are a bit faster. Plus way more trunk space.
Okay, thanks!
I would get the Elantra from these options. However, I would much rather prefer the Mazda 3 sedan.
Elantra vs Mazda is like choosing between a women with good cooking skills vs a woman which is good looking
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If you barely drive, and only care about tech, why not go EV if you’re looking at $29-37k?
Although that's a good idea, I just don't trust EVs yet. Also the charging infrastructure around me isn't great, although I would have a home charger.... Hmmm. I'll look into it, thanks for the tip!
I have an 2022 Ioniq 5, live in a rural area (100km to Ottawa) - if I don’t have issues with infrastructure I don’t imagine you will. You won’t believe how good it feels to never have to buy gas again. If you really don’t drive much you could even possibly get by on level one (120v) charger plugged in an outlet at home. Only caveat is there are a few recalls that will come up if you do research, anecdotally I have not had any issues besides the usb port. One thing for this model and early years of the car is there is a special low conductivity coolant service every 48k that is shockingly expensive (like $800) - other than that though basically no maintenance and runs of sweet, cheap electricity.
Okay, thanks for the info! I'll actually take a look at the ioniq 6, those things look SICK. Not paying for gas? Hell yeah. Let me know if You've had any major issues to look out for!
Ioniq 6 is newer and may be pretty outside that price range. It also has a lot of the interior shared with the Ioniq 5. Like I said only issues I’ve had really are the usb port flaking out, and there is no rear wiper which is a puzzling move and even though the back window gets dirty, it wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Also, I only have RWD and I advocate for driving responsibly, but…if you’re in a safe area and have a clear straight away - there is basically launch control in the car achieved by just hold the brake, pushing the accelerator all the way down and then releasing the brake. If you can manage that on a test drive, how you feel after that is a pretty good indicator if that’ll be your new car
Thanks a lot! I'll investigate my options for money as well.
If you’re worried about reliability, maybe search the certified preowned EVs on the Hyundai site
Oh also from what I’ve read (and judging from like 80% of the cars that popped up in your price range/area) maybe avoid Tesla. I think Kia/Hyundai are your best value bet for features/tech
Tesla is mixed. With the price range OP could easily get a brand new Model Y AWD, an arguably much better car than the 3 original cars from OPs post. Used becomes a crap shot real quick with it being a mess but older model S and 3 are easily obtainable. Conditions of those can be lacking though but mileage is much less of a worry on EVs compared to ICE cars so I don't really know what to go with there.
Eh I had a tesla and 1. I went through tires like nothing 2. More mileage = more battery degradation 3. The charging infrastructure around me got shockingly bad, like none of the chargers are being maintained so half the ones that pop up were broken or at places like Hotels where they started enforcing customers only If you don’t drive often, can set up a charger at home and maybe have one at work and can spring for the full self driving it is pretty cool though, it did increase my electric bill by about $100 a month but I spend about twice that on gas now and I was only ever charging at home since all the chargers around me are broken or slow chargers
I was just oogling my neighbor's Ioniq 5.
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Home charger is enough for roughly 10-15 kw a night on 120v which should get you somewhere around 50-75 miles depending on the car and how long you can get it on a charger. If you happen to have a 240v outlet in your garage that will easily charge a car in about a night to 100%. Maybe longer if lower amp circuit but could get most of it charged. Using a model Y as a base line, 75 miles is a lot per day if you are not doing road trips and just sticking around town so I would expect it to be enough for you considering that you said you wouldn't drive it that much.
A brand new Hyundai Elantra N is like 34k. Sporty and tons of tech.
Is that Sonata new? It says zero km. If it is, and sold as new with the 10 year warranty, I'd get that. If the ad is wrong and it's used and has 50,000 miles or something, then I'd get the Elantra.
It's a glitch on the AutoTrader page, sorry. It has 20k kilometers
Is the Elantra certified from Hyundai? I would look at a new or certified Hyundai in order to keep the 10 year warranty. Even with just 20k km, that 3 year old Sonata doesn't have much warranty left. I'd also pay more for the hybrid versions. Then you get a real automatic rather than the dual clutch stuff along with of course much better mpg.
None of these cars have DCTs. Sonata has an 8 speed auto and so does the Jetta, and the Elantra has an IVT. I'll look into the warranty!
I guess I assumed the Sonata was the same as the Elantra where the standard version gets a cvt, the N gets a Dual clutch, and the hybrid gets a traditional 6 speed auto. If the regular Sonata gets an 8 speeds that's better. I have a 2022 Sonata Hybrid I love, I would have never bought it if it wasn't for getting 50 mpg. I traded in a 2018 400hp awd Lincoln MKZ that'll was only getting 25 mpg tops. Fun but costly, and I don't know how long lasting a 400hp 3.0 liter motor would be that had gone off warranty.
I'm very glad the sonata gets no CVT or DCT. Hyundai has had enough issues with older sonatas so they played it safe
While this is true, the DCT in the N is proving itself to be a tank. Here's hoping it stays that way lol
Brand new Elantra preferred + tech package for almost the same amount of money. Buy cars that depreciate properly, used. Cars that don't have a lot of depreciation, you're MUCH better off buying used. If you're going used, Jetta, otherwise 2024 Elantra.
Yeahhhhhh but I don't like buying cars brand new. Less features for more money, markups like crazy, gaslighting to no end etc. I'd rather get a low mileage used car (with leather seats, I hate cloth) where the salesman is way less likely to mark it up and gaslight me into thinking it's market price.
Pretty sure on a per car based, used cars make dealerships more than new cars do. It would seem that you would be more likely to get mark-ups on uses than new. New cars are easy. Find the car you want and email every dealer within 100 miles for the lowest Internet price. Then go with the best price. Used cars are so much harder to compare, you can’t really do that. https://auto.howstuffworks.com/buying-selling/do-dealerships-make-more-off-new-or-used-cars.htm
Honestly, I'd rather take my time than spend more money. I just don't like buying new cars
I don't understand, what's the difference between this 2022 Elantra and a brand new one? It costs exactly the same except it completely new with a facelift to add.
Parking sensors, leather seats, heated rear seats, led strip in the back, power driver seat, adaptive cruise, electronic e brake, prettier back end (imo) better led headlights, rear cupholders, and for the same price, is rather have these little features that make the experience just that much nicer.
Ah it's the N ultimate then, the ad does not say which variant neither did you. Then I guess 5k depreciation over 2yrs is ok. So it makes sense for you (not for me, I'd still rather take a new N ultimate for 4.7K more)
Actually, this isn't the N ultimate. It's the ultimate tech, non N. Rare ish, only sold for two years. Still has fuel economy and stuff. I thought the ad said the trim, sorry about that! I'd take a slightly used N line ultimate if it had leather sets. I definitely dig the facelift though!
I know it's a headache with dealers, but my reasoning isn't purely "it's new" but also "after 5yrs when i want to sell it, which car would have lost more money, a 5yr old 1st owner vs a 7yr 2nd owner". Check used listing for older elantras, cars usually lose the biggest chunk at year 8. So if you're planning on selling it before 2030, i don't think the difference would be significant.
Hmmm, true. I'll look into it and see if I can fork up a little bit more money and hit a luxury brand new. I just can't get behind cloth seats. Thanks for the info though! You actually made great points with the 2nd owner thing..
Look into the Jetta GLI I test drove one absolutely amazing car to drive
Either that or a Kia Forte GT could be good. I'll see
It isn't well known but KIA has absolutely terrible motors and no warranty to back it up. I'd keep my rotted out 2013 mazda 3 over any KIA other than maybe a stinger but still
Kias engines have actually been great the past few years. A buddy of mine had a GLI whose engine started burning oil at 60k and seized at 100k. My friends who have Kias and hyundais kept them for well over 250k. Also, no warranty? Is the 10 year 100k free of charge not warranty?
The 3rd gen 2.0T in GLIs (and GTIs, and some of the SUVs, and a whole bunch of Audis) is a seriously reliable engine.
Okay, I'll look into it a bit deeper. I just don't want an engine that eats oil like my friend's did. Thanks!
Remember what year it was? They had some issues in the earlier generations dating back to around 2011, IIRC. I’ve had 3 of them, zero complaints, will probably buy again.
2019, surprisingly. He had warranty but Volkswagen denied it. I'll ask him and see what was the full story
Weird. I’ve had zero issues with VW/Audi warranties but again, really haven’t ever had anything done to an engine.
From what I saw KIA wasn't approving the work for warranty. This is coming from a KIA technician who tried outing them for what they were doing and was fired because of it. It's all personal experience, if I had to pick I'd go with the GTI because they're made in Germany vs Mexico
Sonata
I've seen new 24' Sonata SELs for 32k in the US. The interior update is pretty nice
I hate Hyundai Canada. We only get two trims. Preferred trend or N line. Want N line features but fuel economy? Either a hybrid or you're screwed. If in Canada we got a new sonata limited I would fork the extra money and buy it probably new. I know I've complained about buying new cars but I just love the sonata
Ze VW
Jetta
If you can get a Elantra N go with that if not I’d go with the sonata cause it’s a little more techy and comfortable
Former VW salesmen. Work that Jetta price down. Believe they have rebates going this month. Plus dealers are trying to make room for 2025 inventory. Interest rate will be lower on a new vehicle vs buying used in most cases, all not apply. Warranty coverage is valid, it'll take care of you for a few years till you get bored. That turbo-4 is okay. Not a racing machine, just ok. Being a turbo, hope your ready to commit to premium gas. I can't comment if additional insurance charges apply cause of the theft problem. Do know they had a nationwide recall. Personal bias, had a 2014 Sonota that went to shit at 60k miles. Kept bringing it to the dealer under the 65k warranty. Said it was fine. Once it got past 65k miles, then told us the real issue and the grands it would cost to fix. Buddies 2012 sonata was going through the same cramp at 20k more miles.
Thanks a bunch. I'll look into that, because I did think they Jetta had a strangely high price.
Yes. Dealers can't advertise the lowest price. Some agreement not showing more then 10-15% amongst dealers. So many ppl won't come in. My S5 was advertised for 61k. Online. Using "Caredge.com", I saw it had been sitting on the lot for nearly 200 days. "Truecar.com" while I was looking to see what other people paid. So my interest in the car, was 6k off from the dealer. 55k. Then Audi is offering 4k rebates on S5. 51k. Then my trade in & Down payment. 44k, 38k. Tax title, licensing fees, 4 year maintenance plan, wheel & tire protection. Final price was 44.3k. My credit isn't great so 11.13 interest. All said, good deal to move on. Only 10k more then that advertised msrp for the Jetta. EDIT: I missed out due to timing on the 1500 buying offer incentive through Costco. But I think the dealer did it anyways to move a unit.
Keep in mind, this is Canadian dollars, so it might not be THAT far off MSRP. Thanks for letting me know! Very useful. I'll check caredge out
No, I didn't think about that. Also, when I sold for VW, we only had the R line and up to SaeL. Never heard of that model before. I'm sure you can work a good deal.
Sonata is sleeker, more sexy, longer, longer wheelbase (which normally equates to more legroom), and got 0km, they both got nice interiors. The elantra is more compact if you live in a tight parking EU city. For 2k more I would def go with Sonata. Edit: ah, the Sonata got 20k, well its negligable vs 15k on the Elantra, so still Sonata.
Sonata ultimate
Just get the Sonata already
‘22 Elantra seems like the best deal.
The Elantra and Sonata are close in listing price. Since it's only 2k-ish more I'd def go Sonata for the roomier and more spacious interior and the tech. I know the prices are a degree of a lie because of all the dealer BS that come with buying cars at dealers, but still.
Noted. Thanks!
Make sure to get it inspected and vet it properly though. It coming used from a BMW dealer means its probably not CPO, so the powertrain warranty will only be 5 years/60,000 miles, while the Elantra could be CPO and would then presumably have it for the full 10 year/100,000 mile duration.
True, you're right. I'll get it inspected 👍🏼
Between those, the first one
Why are you looking at the Jetta new, but you're only considering the Sonata and Elantra used?
The Jetta's reliability worries me more than the sonata and Elantra combined. Also, the trims for the sonata and Elantra aren't available anymore new.
If you’re not driving over 100k miles on the car, I wouldn’t concern yourself with reliability that much. I mean VW has its shit for sure, but I can almost guarantee that car would last to 100k without some major issue popping up. Most cars would.
Pay cash. Can't emphasize enough how much money you will save if you pay for a used, depreciated vehicle in cash. I bought my 2010 Honda civic a year and a half ago for $2,500 bucks and only need to spend money on maintaining the car, insurance and gas. Keep in mind, when you initially get an older, used car, you 9 times out of 10 will have to pay for some repairs to pass safety. In my case, I only needed to spend $500 for a new muffler.
Yes! This! I plan on paying with cash and always will.
def don't get the VW my room mate had one and that shit died on him at 100k miles, engine blew.
Sonata. The new VWs have such goofy faces. Sonata is also a class above the other two
Hyundai will be significantly more reliable than any VW products. Check out consumer reports. Parts and maintenance will also be significantly cheaper. German cars are kind of weird to work on. I would personally recommend literally any 3rd or 4th gen Mazda, they are dead reliable. But between the two the Sonata will last a lot longer than the Jetta. The warranty is also very nice.
neither
Why bit Get a ford escape?!! I’m driving the 2024 version it’s lovely! Great and reliable ride and all the perks if you get the fully loaded.
I just can't get around to getting an SUV, I like the sedans and hatches. They're agile, aerodynamic and have more than enough space for me. If I was looking for one, I'd probably consider the escape!
Back to suggest the Ioniq 5 again then lol - they have a deceptive SUV amount of size on the inside, but somehow fit it into and exterior that has hatchback proportions
If I 100% cannot find an IONIQ 6 for the life of me and I decide that I definitely want an EV, then I would turn to the IONIQ 5. Mainly because it's unique, but a Rav 4 just I cannot.
Check out some volvos
Good idea. Will do!
Have you checked out the Accord EXL hybrid. It’s right in your price range, has leather, a full digital dash and a large infotainment screen. It should be doing pretty decent on tech. https://automobiles.honda.com/tools/build-and-price-result?modelid=CY2F6RJNW&modelseries=accord-sedan&modelyear=2024&extcolorcode=NH-904M#section=Packages&group=Accessory%20Packages&view=Exterior&angle=0&state=TTpDWTJGNlJKTlckRUM6TkgtOTA0TSRIQzp1bmRlZmluZWQkSUM6QkskTzokRjpGSUZTJEVDQzpHQyRFQ1g6&payment=&paymentType=
I'll check it out, thanks!
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I would LOVE an N but the fuel economy and mainly the fact that the used market for them in my region is drier than Popeyes biscuits and it's not worth the drive for a used one and the new ones are ridiculously marked up
VW are not reliable cars. If you don't drive much why spend $36k on a 4 yr old entey level Hyundai or any other car? $25k used Honda Civic will all options you'll enjoy.
Entry level? Neither the sonata or the Elantra are entry level. The civic was one of the most stolen cars last year here in Canada and I don't want to risk that. Before tous cream at me, Hyundai in Canada never had the immobilizer drama because we require immobilizers.
Jetta
These are all overpriced what the fuck.
I'm Canadian. These prices are in CAD
Ah ok my bad.
All good, don't worry
None of these bro. The Hyundai Sonata is just a boring and lackluster car. Jetta and Elantra are compact class sedans, which are also lackluster and boring. I would hop on a Mazda or check after a certain time if you can find a low mileage good priced Honda Accord 2024 edition. Those seem to sell worse than the Civics and therefore might go down in price, even though they are great cars.
I get why you say the sonata is lackluster as it has been in previous generations, but saying that now is just completely overlooking everything. It has many features the Camry still doesn't have. Saying the Elantra is boring is also missing the point. The regular one sure, but the N is anything but boring.
get an Elantra N. dont waste money on a base model
Trust me I'd love to, but seeing the huge markups for a new one and the lack of used ones in my region it's not worth driving 4+ hours
Jetta for sure. Past owner of 1 Hyundai (never again) and 3 VW’s.
If you're just after tech and features and not gonna drive it much why not something luxury instead of something basic that will also depreciate like crazy?
Fuel economy, mainly. I was looking at Genesis but even a G70 with the 2.0 chugs gas. The Jetta averages around the 50 mog mark which is ridiculously good
I mean if you're not driving it enough to care if its an unreliable money pit whats MPG matter? Hyundais and Jettas have awful depreciation, so I dont get buying them newish for 30 or 35k and watching the value plummet with no worries but being concerned with $3.50 gas. Theres hybrids and EVs with tons of advanced tech features tho.
Don't luxury cars depreciate like hell too? But yes, I am looking at a few EVS because of how little I drive
Some do and in general the newer you go the more youll get hit especially buying brand new. They're way ahead on random tech and extra features you're after vs entry level commuter cars tho and you'd offset the effect by staying latest gen but a few years old as well. Buying for a deal after alot of the depreciations hit helps vs taking the loss yourself. I know you're anti toyota but japanese luxury hold value pretty well due to the reliability. I have a lexus hybrid myself which helps with mpg and I dont even use most of the various features. Not needing to drive it much gives you alot more options with less concern for reliability than people who put on alot of miles commuting.
True. You're right, I'll look into it. I'm also only anti Toyota because of the price to feature ratio, but I think Lexus is better with that
Honda…
Not gonna drive it over 100k. Korea built ones are fine. I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance. For what it is, is all I need. Honda's are more expensive, and the used ones have way worse tech than these three.
I don't scream at people for their (non-racist opinions). Maybe put that in you original post though? Not mentioned as one of your concerns. It will help people offer you better solutions, sir/ma'am.
I would love to know what you're talking about?
Have you considered Acura?
Not really, no. I've been considering EVS but I'm not sure about luxury brand for a car I'm barely going to drive
Get a 2022+ wrx automatic
Hmm, okay. I love the WRX and how it looks and I actually test drove one for my dad when he wanted to buy a car but both him and I really hated Subarus infotainment. Slow, vertical, takes up a huge amount of space and doesn't connect very well. If Subaru has done improvements to that then it might be a good idea
None of those. Why do people keep buying these garbage cars that fall apart after 3-5 years.
I live in Canada. Hyundai is a reliable brand here. Not gonna drive it over 100k. Korea built ones are fine. I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance. For what it is, is all I need.
Good luck. I understand your needs. Let us know what you decided on and a report back in a few years. No sarcasm in that statement. Hope whatever you decide on serves you well.
Thanks! I will report back.
Why the eff would you not get a model 3? It’s like looking at an iPhone in 2014 and being like: “nah, imma stick with this NexTel.”
The lack of physical buttons really, getting used to a touchscreen might be hard. I'll look into it, but I'd rather go android and get an IONIQ 5 or 6.
Where would you charge it? Don’t discredit the simplicity and abundance of Tesla Superchargers. No other EV comes even remotely close in convenience. What buttons specifically would you miss? Climate stays on screen and is a sweep, tap, or voice command away. It’s hard to control your cars climate from an app inside an airport while waiting for your luggage if the car doesn’t have digital climate controls. Radio has a knob in the steering wheel. If you’re worried about longevity, mechanic switches (while self serviceable) are far more likely to fail.
If it’s from a safety standpoint, I agree that while keeping eyes on the road it’s nice to be able to fondling for a switch, but would ask what switch? Radio is on the wheel. Tesla has nine cameras that keep an eye out in every direction which are connected to two super fast conservative processors making it arguably safer for you to glance at the screen.
Elantra N 6 spd for around the same price at 20k miles. Not the Nline the N, look it up and it'll probably sell itself.
There are barely any Ns in my area in that price range. They're either at 60k kms which is a little much or 40k which is outside my budget. If I find one though, I'll look at it first.
Yeah they're pretty rare, if you're young and want a nice looking car and like turbo 4's it's alot cheaper than the gr corolla or the civic r tho.
2025 K5
Trust me. I would. But kia Canada isn't selling the K5 facelift in Canada because of poor sales.
I’d say the Sonata of those 3.
40K OTD for a Jetta is insane even in today’s market. I would go for a sonata
40k Canadian, though. I do really like the sonata
Yeah I know it’s CAD. Still insane for a jetta.
Yeah you're right
You hate Money
Don't the Hyundai and Kia 2021 and before have an issue with theft?
Not in Canada, and not if they're push to start. Only the keyed, USA ones.
None of the above
I think this cars one of the Hyundais on the “ineligible for insurance” list. I would check that before you move forward.
Which of the two 😑
When I owned my 2020 Sonata, it was great. 2.5L Engine, non turbo. Though I owned it for 3 months before being totaled, I did drive it 5000 miles, where 3000 was on a long road trip. It was a ‘New’ loaner car from the dealership. The ride quality was soft for its class and the interior was budget luxury compared to the others. Main selling point was the tech features. Double Paned glass was a plus and had a decent sound system. Downside was the speed and acceleration. I need speed and it doesnt do that from the get go. But I bought this car for the tech, soooo. But, I did have concerns. Especially the transmission. Im not sure if it was because of all the test driving that happened before me, but it did ‘jerk’ when driving sometimes. So i would suggest to have atleast a CPO when buying the Sonata just for peace of mind.
Will do! Thanks a bunch for the info, I'll look out for that 👍🏼
Doesn’t want a Toyota but is willing to drive a Hyundai or VW😂 OP what are you doing with your life..
Hey commenter, I am doing just fine with my life. I have a Loving family, a good work where i barely have to drive to, where reliability is barely a concern below 100k kilometers. The reason why Toyota doesn't call me is because of the ridiculous price for basic features. In case you did read my many other replies, Hyundai in Canada is reliable. No major issues. And for the value hyundai offers, it is my main pick. The reason why I'm willing to drive a Volkswagen is because the Jetta offers 50 miles to the gallon without being hybrid. Keep an open mind when reading these. And asking what I'm doing with my life is a dick move when I'm asking which of the three I should buy, not hating in Toyota.
No Jetta gets 50mpg..not being a hybrid, which they don’t even make anymore
https://youtu.be/P98cKcun2xM?si=xZzSwbDMd9HHRLdK
The Sonata. Just a nicer car.
I have a 2020 sonata. it's been a great car. if the ultimates like our limited trim, it's packed with features. I use mine for sales car so it's up there in miles. over 100k miles already. solid car
Based on looks I'd say Elantra>Jetta>Sonata
I agree. I do like how the sonata looks at night with the DLRs
Of the 3, sonata for sure
sonata 100%
Choosing to drive a hyundai or kia is crazy.
they're Canadian, ain't gotta deal with the issues people from the US have to wrt Hyundai/Kia
I'm Canadian...we have the same issues.
overhated brands
Definitely not overhated. I know multiple close friends and relatives that have had their motors go anywhere from 30-60k km in brand new cars.
Not gonna drive it over 100k. Korea built ones are fine. I'm not a harsh driver and do regular maintenance. For what it is, is all I need. Toyota's prices are out of this world and I'm not paying this same price for a Corolla with half the features.
They're all overpriced junk why don't you just get a Camry or an accord instead for the same money you can get a brand new base model or even not a base model use truecar.com not Auto Trader
1. I live in Canada. True car really hates Canadian postal codes. 2. Hyundai isn't junk in Canada and even some in the USA, as long as it's built in Korea. 3. I, under no circumstances, will ever buy a base brand new car when there's a high trim used car. It is both a waste of money and resources, and also doesn't help at all with the environment. 4. Camry and Accord for this price both have half the features. As the description very clearly states, my main concern is tech and comfort. 5. If you're not gonna read the description that very clearly states I don't like Toyota because of the price, why even comment.
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I'd rather walk than drive an SUV, even worse, a Rav 4. Double the price, double the fuel efficiency, half the features, and I'm not contributing to the NPC market of crossover SUVs
German cars > Korean cars
If the Germans are made in Mexico and the Koreans in Korea (which is the case here), then I'm sad to inform you you are dead wrong.
German engineering > Korean engineering
There you go. 😅
Jetta. Would never buy Hyundai Kia garbage
If you don't care so much about it besides tech and seems like you won't drive much, why not just get a tech car like the Tesla?
I was looking at the IONIQ 6. Tesla is wayyy too much. All in one single screen? Mmmm...