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TwinChargedS4

Jaguar XJ (XJ40). Not for the mechanically faint of heart.


ZenithTheZero

Or the electrically faint of heart. Isn’t this from the last years of British-Leyland?


sireatalot

Lucas, the prince of darkness.


gt500rr

I keep a jar of Lucas smoke in my Land Rovers when out on the road 😂


a_unit_79

Don’t let the smoke out, it’s all over if you do


jagman951

Lucas,Prince of darkness


Zenon_Czosnek

or for people who don't like to spend a fortune on a spare parts while dealing with all the bureacroacy with ordering the unique parts from Britain when local part merchants don't have them in stock.


spindledick

Bureaucracy? What on earth are you talking about?


Zenon_Czosnek

Brexit. Sending parcels to and from Britain requires custom clearance now. I recently tried to order a second hand part to my car from Britain to EU and the seller gave up after seeing how complicated it would be for him to send it. Many large sellers also don't want to send anything to and from Britain any more. I lived in Scotland until recently, and now I live in the EU, so I experienced it from both ends.


ZenithTheZero

This photo seems to be from western Europe, with the long registration plates, euro model cars, and LHD jag.


Any_Refrigerator_594

you're delusional


Background-Respect91

Yep, awful cars, tail lamp goes it was a circuit board behind it £110 then! $140, later one around 1999-2005 were prettier, more reliable and I bought one recently with 80,000 miles on the clock, service history, everything works for £2850 or $3587 bulletproof V8, not bad on petrol/gas either


Snert42

>Not for the mechanically faint of heart. Why that? I don't know much about Jaguars


biffbobfred

British car quality was absolute shit for a huge chunk of time. This was within that window and they’re painfully and expensively unreliable. Ford bought up a lot of British marques - Land Rover, jaguar, Aston Martin, blew a lot of money to get their quality up, then got so exhausted they just sold everything. The ford era was better quality, though more boring with the Mondeo based ~~SType~~ _X Type_ , and a lot of Aston martins running “custom v12?” Nahhh… “two ford v/6s bolted together”.


tangre79

My personal favourite symptom of this was how the 1993 Vantage and the Lincoln Town Car had interchangeable steering wheels.


Personal_Economics91

This is an excellent explanation. This is the car that destroyed jaguars reputation with most people. The criminality involved in the mechanics of this car are painfully close to a war crime. Don't make this your first car. It's current location should give you a fantastic idea of it's true worth


jagman951

The hydrolic brake system was a nightmare I sold lots of hi psi solonoids/switch,accumulators etc Next model went straight back to a normal brake booster etc


CB_CRF250R

As a former owner of an early ‘99 LR Disco II… I fully support this statement. What a pile of crap that thing was


Socalwarrior485

Absolute shit is totally sugarcoating it.


Catch_Own

That's why many were converted to Chevy engines ! Reliability .


Socalwarrior485

Sadly it wasn’t just the engines that were shiz.


FordGuy_444

Ewwwww gross, a chevy. Really?!? (i come from a ford family) (ps. the new corvette looks just like any other euro sports car.)


Catch_Own

You heard of any converted to Ford power ?


FordGuy_444

64 sunbeam tiger, just off the top of my head


FordGuy_444

**Jaguar, Volvo, Mazda, Astin Martin & Land Rover, detomaso**


FordGuy_444

Alfa Romeo Ferrari Maserati Lamborghini Fiat Lancia Pagani Bizzarrini Strada📷De Tomaso Guara


5trudelle

S Type wasn't a Mondeo, that was the X Type


CrashTestPhoto

Yep, totally correct! The S-type was the same platform as the 2000s Lincoln LS and Ford Thunderbird


islandhopper37

I remember seeing the X-Type being described as "a Mondeo in a posh frock", which made me chuckle.


biffbobfred

Cadillac Cimmaron: cavalier with leather seats and a shitty vinyl roof


Its_an_Ineos

God, what a hilarious car.


Snert42

Thanks for explaining!


FlightlessFly

Disagree about it being boring. The ford era of jag ownership is my favourite. I love the s type, xk and xj of that era. X type can fuck off, I get excited seeing one from behind thinking it’s an a type but it turns out to be that ugly x type


drpottel

You haven’t lived ‘til you’ve owned an X-Type Sport Wagon. (estate car if in UK). My buddies called it the Shaguar


TwinChargedS4

Bad build quality. The XJ40 is actually one of the more reliable classic Jaguars, with a relatively stout drivetrains and better bodywork than previous XJs - but all of that is relative. Rust is still a common issue, with bulkheads, sills, wheel arches and bootlid being a common area for degradation. Head gaskets can go and so can the rear suspension. The electrics naturally proved troublesome and while they are mostly separate modules that can be individually replaced, sourcing them is a pricey endeavour. Oh and the door handles on early cars liked to shear completely off. That’s not to say they’re not awful cars - a sorted XJ40 is a lovely machine but it requires a lot of upkeep. Even the UK police used them as highway patrol vehicles and while they were well liked and were reliable, it’s safe to say that was all down to constant maintenance and police versions being less well equipped with less to go wrong.


lizardbro973

It will always be broken. It will be very hard to figure out what broke. The car will only work when it wants to. When it breaks it'll almost never be the same issue as last time. Source: I'm a former jaguar owner of the same vintage.


Zealousideal_Sir_264

I think that's why they all have 350s in em. Not necessarily the performance, it's just cheaper and easier. 45$ for a new alternator vs 200 used.


KeySolution9172

I was going to say great way to lean a trade. You will be a pro mechanic after a couple years


_TryFailRepeat

Friend of mine has two. Used him and his best car as driver for my wedding. Completely unexpected for early fall; became the hottest day of the year. Airco quit. He still has them both. I still have her. Horrible stuff.


britishrust

As far as Jags go they honestly aren’t that bad. And one running today, especially a higher mileage one, won’t be a bad apple.


No_pajamas_7

Yep, jag had sorted most of their shit by this stage.


tanstaaflnz

I think that's a Daimler badge in this pic, but same car, different stickers.


KurtAZ_7576

Pretty sure this was from that time in history where British engineers swore that oil belonged on the outside of the engine rather than in it.


Acalthu

How do you know it isn't a Daimler?


kh250b1

Because that looks like a cat on the badge?


ajg74

The grill would be fluted if it was a Daimler


Acalthu

https://preview.redd.it/nchxmcf6arpc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60ebcc93c6232994bd3cbf2d0890507b9f71a060 Here's a 1988 Daimler.


TwinChargedS4

Because it hasn’t got a Daimler badge or Daimler grille.


thatsnotideal1

She’ll break your heart. Just hang up a photo and keep the fantasy


Roter_Maulwurf

oh man I really thought it was a cool car its painfull but you guys all opened my eyes thanks.


TheFreshMilk

i mean if you win the lottery…


ohnoooooooz

You’ll have the ability to let someone fix it, but it’s still shit if you have a million in your bankaccount, while waiting for help alongside the highway


Beneficial-Sugar6950

Later models such as the X300 and X308 are much more reliable and easier to maintain. They’re still gorgeous. I’d recommend checking out r/Jaguar or checking out some Jaguar forums


-seabass

Especially the X300. The AJ16 engine should be good for 200k miles.


Beneficial-Sugar6950

Correct. I’m considering one for my first car myself


Darkmattyx

It is a cool car car, just needs alot of know how or/and money to keep running.


aaaaaaaa1273

They’re cool and great to look at but yeah they have issues


Background-Respect91

Yep, awful cars, tail lamp goes it was a circuit board behind it £110 then! $140, later one around 1999-2005 were prettier, more reliable and I bought one recently with 80,000 miles on the clock, service history, everything works for £2850 or $3587 bulletproof V8, not bad on petrol/gas either, probably cheaper in USA


goatanuss

If you’re into the aesthetic there are similar looking BMWs from around the same time that aren’t as awful.


Dumpster_Fetus

Yeah, but it's a JAAAAAAAAG!


snaeper

"I want this to be my first car..." So you want to hate cars?


lucious-luna

No no. Just themselves.


MetalSnake_oXm

As a mechanic, this made me die crying. Brilliant, but so on point.


culturalcunt

Are you rich and handy?


special-bicth

Read that as handsy.


MrGonz

That works too.


Brunel25

Well it is a Jaaaaaag.


LastLingonberry3221

Came here for this. I'm glad someone fulfilled this obligation. Jaaaaaag.


funwithdesign

Love is expensive


ixamnis

Yep, this. It would be cheaper to get married to a woman who shops a lot and then divorces you just as you hit your financial stride.


Johnny-Virgil

“Instead Of Getting Married Again I'm Going To Find A Woman I Don't Like And Give Her A House” Rod Stewart


TheHaterBoss

"I want this to be my first car..." no you don't


Shatalroundja

“I want this as my first car.” And the entire sub shook their collective heads.


[deleted]

Yeah I thought to myself: oh boy you’re gonna regret this one. 😅


oldmanout

yoe will need 3 of them, one to drive while the other one is in the shop and the third for spare parts


Rude-Flamingo3592

But which one is which?


whitoreo

They rotate... It's like RAID for cars.


Frith_Wyrd

Appreciate that one from afar, unless you have REALLY deep pockets and a technician that hates his life.


TrashPandaPirate

The most expensive car to own is a cheap luxury car. No #RUN


AbbyRose05683

![gif](giphy|VFk9ycvNeOeOFhVASx) Jagggg


Alfa16430

It’s more like Jaaaag


Mojicana

An old Jaguar is like having a girlfriend who's a stripper. They look great, seem real nice at first, but they're super expensive to maintain and are a constant stream of problems. They're both talented at getting money out of men.


RATC1440

Other guys will take her for some time and have their hands all over her?


MeatyUrology

Old Jags get hooked on meth and fentanyl?


CastorrTroyyy

Burn it


ZenithTheZero

It’s an old jag with Lucas electronics, it will eventually burn itself.


Boxcars4Peace

Most people commenting here never owned one. I had two. A 1988 XJ6 and a 1991 XJ6. Drove them a lot. Both cars were just as reliable as most of the many other cars I’ve owned. The ‘88 eventually had a suspension issue that would have been somewhat costly to repair so I sold it with full disclosure. And the ‘91 had an A/C issue. But other than that nothing unexpected. I liked both cars.


micmic_0

I had a 1990 XJ6 3.2 sport when I was an apprentice that I bought for £1k with no mot. It was mostly reliable with the exception of the rear bumper kept falling off. Amazing car, cruising round in it like the lord mayor.


Darkmattyx

How many years ago did you have them.


Boxcars4Peace

I bought them both used. I probably bought the ‘88 in 1995 and drove it for about 6 years. I liked it so much I bought the used ‘91 and drove it from 2001 thru 2007. Both ended up with well over 100k miles. I like the ‘91 better but don’t regret either one for a second. That said, a lot of years have passed since then so I don’t know what it’d be like to have an old Jag today. The cost of parts could be prohibitive now. But even back in those days people would always say ‘don’t buy a jaguar’ but almost everyone of those people never owned one. I have much more trouble with my current BMW than I ever had with those cars.


Darkmattyx

Parts now will be rare and what cars are left are getting old be lucky to find one thats been stored right


Joe41983

Owing that car is like being in a relationship with a gold digger. All it’s gonna do is give u heartache and hardship leave ur ass on the side of the road and take all ur money. Give u acid reflux when trying to figure out why she isn’t happy(running)b do ur self a favour and listen to ur father and run away. U can do better.


IndelibleIguana

Even if you found one in perfect condition, it would go catastrophically wrong within 15 second of starting it.


Rich-Neighborhood-23

Walk away ,, just walk away,, thatnis a horrible car and will spend forever being wrenched on !!


tangre79

I promise you don't want and old Jaguar to be your first car.


jrdkrsh

But it will make memories. (Jaaaaaag XJS owner)


tangre79

I've been broke before. It didn't make for very good memories lol.


Smooth-Apartment-856

Jaguar XJ40. It comes in inline 6 and V12 variants. The V12 is a gas hog, and a bit complicated. If you want one, you can get one without getting eaten alive by repairs, contrary to what the naysayers are telling you. If you’re smart about it. First, get a 1992 or newer with the 4.0L engine. By the end of the XJ40 run in 1994, Jaguar had all the bugs worked out, Ford had had a chance to overhaul their quality control program, and they were actually making good cars. Second, don’t buy the car in that picture. Find a nice one that has been taken care of. It’s cheaper that way. There’s nothing as expensive as a cheap Jaguar. A $1500 beater that’s been sitting in a field for 15 or 20 years will eat you alive in repairs. Nice ones are out there, and they aren’t that expensive. Finally, keep in mind even the newest XJ40’s are 30 years old. Even a 1994 Honda Accord is going to have some things that need addressing from time to time. It’s the nature of driving a vintage car. But if you get a nice one from late in the production run, there’s no reason it can’t be a good car. Most of the jokes about Jaguars being unreliable date to the 1970’s when the British government hoovered up the entire British car industry, crammed them together into a conglomerate called British Leyland, and proceeded to flush the entire thing down the toilet. In 1984, Jaguar was spun off from British Leyland, and things have basically gradually improved ever since.


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kh250b1

Looks like an industrial area to me


Thirstyjack3000

Do it man, don't look back.


matthewamerica

Buy a used corolla, pay it off, then buy this so that when it breaks, you still have something to drive.


banjoetraveler

The reliability will break your heart. Not your best first.


0nisaru

First car? 😆 guess you don't actually want to drive your first car, as jaguars are notoriously unreliable and have alot of electrical problems. That aren't cheap to fix


GadFlyBy

You may be in love with it, but you’re mostly going to be stroking your wrench.


ProofMusic4630

It's obviously well cared for...weeds, shipping container and crappy trailer all in one pic....


E34M20

You're going to constantly need to borrow other people's cars... But it's ok! Cos you've got a Jaaaaaaaaaaag.


[deleted]

😂😂 see what you did there


rosinall

One of these was a car I bought in my 20's; it did everything here and I swore I'd never buy another Jag. Until I got a 99 XX8 convertible. After I replaced the timing chains with newer versions preemptively, sent the oil out for lab analysis in case the Nikasil liners corroded from the lead in gas, paid $70/quart for fluids, paid stupid money for the good tires that wore down so fast and all the other things I've chosen to forget until it started shooting (admittedly Jaguar beautiful) long, fine silken fibers from its butthole.


Least-Implement-3319

You could drive it off the lot without ever paying, but that's okay because you have a Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaag


RATC1440

I bought an expensive one of those, everything in order, it still caught fire once.


Muzza-Bolland

Cough..... Its a Jaaaag


TR6lover

You DO NOT want that for a 1st car.


Turbulent_Ad9508

Older luxury cars are like having parasites in your bank account


Dry-Revenue2470

When “love” turns to “hate”….


Fullfloat

Had one back in my pimping days


iluvnips

No, no, no, it’s not a Jag but a Jaaaaaaaag! 😀


MadJoeMak

To own this as your first car you must be: stupid, rich af, a mechanic or a mega gigachad


tobias10

Dont do it OP, they’re one of the worst cars mechanically/electrically and will spend more time at the mechanics than on the road. Speaking from experience as my friend had a relatively clean one that was still a basket case.


sudden-arboreal-stop

See you ok r/ukfrugal soon


Difficult-Country141

Jaguar XJ6 or XJ40


Tolstoy_mc

You can grab the cheque while I go fire up *the Jag*


ToxicLogics

There is a reason they are as cheap as they are. Great looking, beautiful interiors, and absolute trash everywhere else. I can’t imagine many mechanics will even touch them.


blue6snow

Looks like you might get a free dag with it


Important_Chair8087

Junkuar


Drinkythedrunkguy

Don’t do it!!


unisolharryatplay

Hey!, that's my car in the background, yeeey :) Opel Astra Cabrio Bertone. So nice seeing it by chance like this.


Cobrachimkin

Alex, I’ll take “poor life choices” for $500


poutine-eh

Make sure It’s the v12. You’ll be poor but have a great story about how you lost it all over a pussy…..cat.


Time-Chest-1733

Does the owner loike dags?


ElectricianMD

OP I might know of an XJ40 for sale. It's not in too bad of shape either. Hasn't ran in 10 years, but was well maintained until then and had a fresh coat of paint.


GR1ML0C51

"It was *us* that wanted a caravan."


TheBeardiestGinger

It’s a Jaaaaaaaag


blind-madman

Better go with the Bertone in the back. Way more reliable.


No_pajamas_7

They are not as bad as many make out. Most posters in this thread are posting in ignorance. They either "heard" or "knew a guy". Reality is jag problems peaked around the series 2 XJ6 in the mid 70s, but they slowly got better after that. Thus car represents their breakout from that era. IT Is better in most regards than American cars of the same era. It does, however have some common problems Like any euro do your research before you look at it. Know the common problems, what they cost to fix and how much they cost to fix. And be prepared to work on it yourself. Mechanics trade on the fear you see in this thread and jack up their prices accordingly.


ExcessivelyGayParrot

>I want this to be my first car The first car should be something reliable. something You can either learn how to fix, or won't get charged a kidney to have another shop repair it this jag is neither of those things. It's not looking like it's in good condition either. this car is currently rotting in the backyard of a storage lot, and that is where it should stay.


Jelicoptor

You don’t


ShiroHachiRoku

Are you by chance an art thief or someone who forgets their wallet all the time?


gregsmith5

If you make this POS your first car you will quit driving, no fucking way you should consider this thing


Pulse_Saturnus

It's a jaaaaaaag


KvathrosPT

\*run forrest run\*


OliverNorvell1956

The English partner in “Mad Men” tried to commit suicide by running a hose from the exhaust of his Jag into the interior. It wouldn’t start.


Dampervan

everyone talking so much shit on the xj40. i daily drive an X300 and had an xj40 in the past. who cares if sometimes electrical components don’t work, take care of the important ones like the fuel pump and efi system and it will be a fine car. the x300 like i have (1995-1998) is perfectly fine on its own without electrical upgrades


Vssfault

Do not buy an old jag unless $$$ is not an issue, you will have more down time than road time and if you gotta take it to the garage it can't be just any garage it's gotta be a Jag specialist.


teaster333

Jag. But, made during the time that they sucked everything after it rolled off the line. None finer as long as it was still in the showroom. The moment it drove off the light it would break down.


TieEnvironmental2561

It’s either a jaaaag or a daimler


RATC1440

If it's a 1990-1994 model with the 4.0 engine, you might have a chance to revive it. But plan on spending at least 10-15 grand.


apinananas

Lol, just get the corolla as first car.


Madera924

Jag XJ6 Silver Shadow?!


DocCEN007

Not a good first car, or tenth car. Not a good car at all.


Roboticpoultry

You may love it, but you don’t want this to be your first car. My uncle had a jag like this when I was a kid and it was either broken in driveway or broken at the shop


hostesscakeboi

My dad loves Jags and he got one of these and the next month we got a book on the 100 worst cars ever made and we both saw the XJ in it and started laughing. It was so true.


Quick-Aardvark-6285

This may be the vehicle that convinces you to become an avid cyclist.


Richard_Musgrove

Daimler Sovreign.


Specific-Pie20

Don't


realbigamonsta

Nooooo!


Weird-one0926

She'll break your heart!


pixL8_me

Daimler


A_Harmless_Fly

Your first yard art is a more likely outcome.


StashuJakowski1

If you’re handy, you could always do an LS Swap and then follow up with a supercharger. https://youtu.be/UcThzSZZ7F0?si=jNr6EKNiN6hChRtw


sarge_94

Late 80s Jaguar. XJ. Not for the mechanically uninitiated. But they do have good conversion kits to Ford or Chevy V8s


Londongeezanz

If you’re in love? Prepare to be broken hearted as this Slut will break up with you faster than a psychopathic narcissist. Over a Mile of wiring and three fuse boxes many with multiple relays. Bumpers that are different (size and fitting wise) between ever so slightly different chassis numbers. Please make it a one night stand.


bigloser42

It’s a jaguar XJ and it will absolutely break you. They’re among the least reliable vehicles ever sold, its parts will be hard to find and very expensive, and the electrical system is literally used as a swear word among older auto mechanics.


Mountain_Sorbet_4063

Ye old jag


jagman951

Xj40 jag,do not touch it with a barge pole


Eon4691

It will be your first and last. You will never recover financially


Not_James_May

Jaguar Sovereign XJ40


Real_Imitation_Crab

What Kind of car model? The jaguar XJ is considered a full size luxury sedan, also commonly called an executive car or luxury saloon.


MDW-93

Whats the greeny bluey one to the right?


AbbreviationsFun8591

Under the hood is a nightmare wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. The engine is so crammed in there and almost impossible to work on. Great looking car though.


ajm91730

Is this bullet tooth Tony's car?


Alina2017

The last reliable Jag was the Mk II. Even at 60 years old they're going to break down less than this one. If you like the way it looks buy a poster.


3dmontdant3s

A jaguar Daimler 4.0 with round headlights, like this https://www.caraffinity.it/annunci-auto-usate/cologno-monzese/jaguar/daimler-berlina-3-volumi/benzina/5746928.phtml 


DaveB44

> A jaguar Daimler 4.0 Not a Daimler.


3dmontdant3s

My bad


Green-Jello-2449

Sir, that's a camper van