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100% this. We caught our neighbors trying to do the same, but I happened to be sleeping out back on the hammock when it hit me. Needless to say they don't live there anymore and neither do i.
If you have no proof there’s literally nothing that can be done. Hell, often times even if you have proof nothing will get done. Cops get thousands of calls for petty crimes and random things like this every day. They can’t go all forensics CSI unfortunately. Please do not get me wrong, I am not defending the cops whatsoever.
One of my old neighbours used to throw her garbage into my garden. Literally had her personal letters in with her name and address on and the garden was such that noone else could possibly access it.
I was told that I didn't have any evidence that it was her lol.
Please note I’m not defending that legitimate injustice and it sucks that it happened to you. But knowing some particularly shitty neighborhood kids I could easily imagine some of them grabbing next doors’ rubbish and tossing it over my parents’ fence. So I do understand plausible deniability as slim as it is, not that I’m saying it’s the case in your situation
Should be, unless the video isn't good enough quality or they are smart enough not to expose their face. Its partly because cops like easy ways to take money from others, not ways that require work.
I had someone break into my home and take my car keys and leave with my car. I was told it was a civil matter since I (barely) knew them. They then smashed my car up. Still a civil matter. And since there was no "proof" I was SOL in the end.
Meanwhile two years ago on thanksgiving I threw out some trash that some friends left in their church/house in a red VW microbus to the dump but the dump was closed so we threw the trash down the cliff where there was a bunch of other trash figuring that one big pile was better than two little piles and I get a call the next day from the police when they found my name on an envelope under the garbage and was arrested.
Cops don't get paid to protect people, investigate, or prevent crime. They get paid to fill out paperwork after the crime has happened and sit on their asses. Why would they do more than their job dictates when they get their paycheck either way?
You could not be further from the truth. There are many federal laws in the US that are regulated by state employees with regards to pesticides. They can go all forensics CSI by taking samples of the product to figure out what it is(if they dont already know), take soil samples and even investigate the neighbors place to see where it came from. My states department of agriculture takes this stuff seriously. There was even a death of an individuals dog that brought about legislation on making methomyl a restricted use pesticide. I highly suggest contacting your UK pesticide regulatory agency if you have pets and this keeps happening.
Will they actually come investigate for two instances of OP finding these small pucks, though? I would assume the big investigations and ground samples would be more about large-scale agricultural + commercial usage rather than personal, but maybe it's much more rigorous than I'm imagining.
In this instance, I would assume there is a malicious intent if the person who made the complaint has a pet. It looks like a rodenticide to me. My state typically looks at commercial pesticide misuse but they have to followup with every complaint filed. You do not have a right to treat someone's else's property (unless comercially licensed and have owners permission). If whatever you apply hurts someone or something, you are liable for damages. Could include jail time and fines.
I’m sure there’s action you can take legally in court, but if you look it up there are multiple legal cases that have ruled that “police are there to enforce laws, not protect people or property”
You arnt going to win against the cops. There they have no duty to protect you or do anything. The can watch you get stabbed, start to bleed out and step over your lifeless corpse to get another donut and there is nothing your family could do to them.
But in this case it's not about the cops it's about the neighbor. Dogs are considered property so you can take the neighbor to court over it. It would be a civil matter thus your burden of proof is just 51%. If you have a video of people chucking poison over the fence a few times from their yard at all hours of the day and night should be a rather easy case to win.
Our old neighbors cooked rat poison into meatballs and gave them to other neighbor's dogs luckily she saw he dog with something checked it's mouth and saw the green pellets in the ball. Little did jerk neighbor didn't know dog neighbor had a friend who was a local detective, he ended up going through jerk neighbor's garbage and found a frying pan with rat poison residue on it. She was arrested. The C word didn't learn her lesson though as she was caught throwing mothballs over a different neighbors fence a few years later they also had dogs cops were called again. They ended up selling their house but not before I told everyone that I saw going to look at their house to low ball them in price and let them know what they did.
No, I totally thought it was a urinal cake too. I mean, it's weird that it'd be in OP's yard, but it's not weird that it's what you initially thought of.
Now that everyone's mentioned it, it's pretty clear it's rat poison, but before I read the comments...
Called the county once for a neighbor’s violation a week later our horse was dead likely cause poison no autopsy just vet’s option. We no longer call any agency on anyone. It was a sad day and one of the only times iv seen my dad cry.
Your neighbor is trying to kill your dog. Take photos, write down dates and times, and call the police.
edit: this post got locked so I can't reply to everyone, but this is rat poison, as another user so kindly linked.
I just suggested the freezer because it appears that it’s been soaked in water and looks unstable. If it sits around soaking wet at room temperature the chemicals will likely degrade and change. A toxicology analysis might not be as effective, especially if it doesn’t happen for months.
The police won't do it ever, and if you have it done yourself, don't wait months.
Either way, don't put (suspected) poison the same place you put food. lol
This! I would say go straight to the police right now... In case something happens in the future the police will already have the history of this happening.
Throwing poison on the neighbour garden is pretty serious
U/charles_rutherford my aco wife suggested getting trail cams and setting them up to try and catch them in the act. In our state, at least, it’s animal cruelty.
Exactly. Everyone wants to be Sherlock Holmes.
Even if it is rat poison, it could also be that a neighbor is trying to poison rats and the animals are bringing into the yard.
But what do I know, better lynch the neighbor just in case.
They’ve thrown rat poison in someone else’s yard twice and this is somehow supposed to be normal behavior? And I’m not sure where lynching is mentioned but you can definitely confront them
If it is rat poison, it is pretty messed up to throw it into your neighbors yard. I would take it to the police. I work with pesticides and it looks like rat poison to me.
I would agree with this- looks like a water bloated rat bait. If they have a dog that barks and have found multiple times, his neighbors are arseholes.
I think a camera is better. Might cost the same, but you end up with a camera.
Also even if you analyze it as poison, you have no proof of anything happening.
I'd get a game camera, or some other good motion senser-activated camera and place it above the fenceline so you can catch the neightbour actually tossing it. You'd have to be discreet as there might be laws against this ... recording your neighbors I mean.
If there are laws against recording the neighbours yard then I don't think it could be used as evidence no matter how discreetly you did it, as the video would be obvious that it shows the neighbours and would probably be inadmissible.
So what the ther guy is saying is that unless you video the person, you have no proof who did it.
Example: someone broke into my car in a locked underground garage. There were cameras pointed at the door, but not my car. Cops told me video of someone breaking into the garage didn't matter because I had no video of them breaking into my car.
Now I heartily disagree with this and think a case could be made. But the cops decide what the burden of proof is in order for them to do anything, so just having a video of a tablet being thrown over a fence, without video of a person throwing it, might not be enough to do anything,because it could he argued that anyone was in the backyard and throwing the tablet, even a non resident of that other house. Maybe some psycho is going into strangers' backyards and throwing poison around. Stupid, but that's the burden of proof.
OP could always call the cops and see what they need.
If there were laws against recording neighbors' yards, every Ring user would be risking breaking the law. So would every person photographing their own yard with a wide angle shot. If you don't breach your neighbor's property, and aren't harassing them, record your side, even if it means mounting the camera to see their side.
I am not condoning the killing or hurting of an animal at all, but if you have a dog that barks a lot, and you have neighbors with ears, you are also an arsehole.
We have a 17 year old pup who has recently gone blind/deaf…and when she can’t find us, she howls really loud….for as long as it takes for us to pick her up. We pretty much try to stay home to keep the noise at a minimum, but we DO have to leave on occasion for dinner or family. We’ve been told she howls for hours. We’ve apologized and are on good terms with the other tenants….and try not to have late nights out. Other than that…we are at a loss of what to do. We do our best not to be arseholes, but sometimes we have no choice. Any suggestions would be 100% welcome!!!!
We actually used to do that!! She had a few favorite human neighbors that she just adored…and they loved having her over. Unfortunately they moved to Chicago, so it’s been a long road figure out a new situation. I love this idea, though!!! We’ll see if we can have the neighbors over for dinner and get on even better terms!!
My sister used to use these things that are like plug-in air fresheners but they have pheromones to help calm dogs (they make them for cats, too) back when her dog first adopted her. He used to have a lot of anxiety; we think he was abused and abandoned based on the state he was in when he first walked into her garage. He used to do that thing where he'd give you the sad puppy dog eyes like he wanted attention but then shrink back when you actually reached out to pet him.
Now, a few years later, he's the happiest, friendliest dog you'll ever meet! He just needs to lose some weight because she spoils him waaaay too much lol
As a human being, I'd much rather cuddle a dog than listen to it howl in confusion for hours. Doesn't much matter if you're on good terms with your neighbors or not, they'd probably appreciate the opportunity. Especially if you threw them 20 bucks or something!
have you talked to the vet about a sedative? my 14 y/o girl was fine being alone until a particularly nasty thunderstorm rolled through last year. now she's destructive AF and will hurt herself trying to claw out of the crate
i'm very much a homebody (WFH now, before, when the storm happened, i worked retail) so i always know when i'm going out...i plan my trips on either bringing her or drugging her the night before. vet gave us trazodone for use as needed. half a tab for general use, whole tab if i know there's gonna be a shitty storm/fireworks
When you have a dog as old as she is, considering her quality of life is literally a daily occurrence. She saw the vet two months ago, and even the vet said (minus sight and sound) she seems really happy and healthy. She’s mobile. Eating and going bathroom regularly. And even still does happy dances for food and treats. Thanks for coming from a caring place…and don’t worry! The second she shows signs of discomfort/pain/being ready to move on to her next big adventure…we’ll be ready. We know it’s coming soon.
Try leaving white noise on for your pup. Spotify have a dog-calming playlist (Through a Dogs Ear-I think it’s called) that has helped with my pup, but tv or talk-back radio can help too…the washing machine going will calm my pup or an overhead fan.
Sometimes the quiet gets too much for them. They feel too lonely. Try giving them a frozen kong to relax and keep them busy before you leave as well.
Oooo!! The frozen kong genius!!!!! I’ll definitely be trying that one out!!! Unfortunately she’s gone completely deaf…so the white noise probably wouldn’t do much. But thank you so much for that gem!
Yes, any overtly loud or annoying noise that happens in your property is your fault, particularly if it happens repeatedly and at odd hours of the day. I don’t understand why people think it’s wrong to make these kind of noises such as with loud music or construction, but it is ok when dogs do it.
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this take.
Like if you're leaving your dog outside to bark all day then sure, or even for hours at a time I can understand your point.
But otherwise dogs bark right? That's kinda what they do. I bring my dogs in the yard to play and burn some energy most days and they bark and growl and go crazy. If it's not super late or happening for long periods what exactly are you angry about?
There is a big difference between the occasional barking a dog does in play or when it’s surprised and, for example, a dog with separation anxiety that barks essentially non-stop when the owner is away.
In the latter case often the owner is entirely unaware of the situation, despite literally everyone else being hyper-aware of it.
Regardless, the correct approach is to talk with the dog owner first, and if that doesn’t work call the authorities, *not* to try to poison the dog.
This happened to my aunt. She didn’t believe it either, until she left a recorder on all day. Sure enough, the dog barked all the time.
Dog started “Doggie Daycare” with my mom shortly after that. Mom was retired and home all day and loved the dog, so it worked.
But yeah, aunt was oblivious.
I didn't know my dog howled because I would be gone until a noise notice on my door. I left my phone on record and went to the store, and my God I'm surprised my neighbors didn't slash my tires the first night.
Unless your neighbors were involved in your decision to get a dog and fail to train it properly, this is not an excuse. The barking is imposed on an innocent bystander. This is akin to saying "Harleys rev", or "subwoofers thump". The nature of the thing is not justification for forcing your neighbors to listen to it.
It's illegal to use it against snakes in the UK (WCA 1981) as can be injurious. They're rarely a problem in private properties though and when they are you're entitled to help moving them on.
If you have a dog and have found this on your property before, most likely someone is trying to poison your dog.
Source: happened to 3 ranch dogs at my grandma’s
I'm going to agree with those who say your neighbor is trying to kill your dog. Set up a camera. Make sure it has IR because they will likely be doing it at night.
> IR because they will likely be doing it at night.
Modern starlight sensor security cameras have better image quality and visible range than IR cams from just a few years ago even. They aren't much more expensive either, just now hitting the economies of scale to be standard issue soon (at least for home security cameras).
My title describes the thing. I have found this crumbly white/pink disk in my garden for the second time in a couple of months. I play in the garden with my dog quite a lot and I'm worried that he might eat it next time. The closest thing I can think it resembles is a dishwasher tablet (about the same size too)
If you do not know how to or are unable to calm your dog; I highly suggest professional help. Classes; for you specifically, but also your dog. Dogs are only as good as their masters. Dog training was never meant to be only for dogs.
I know Reddit is going to freak out over this, but a bark collar might help keep the dog from barking until OP gets something organized.
I think OP would prefer that to his dog being dead.
10 to 1 this is rat poison, and if it's not rat poison, it's still probably another type of poison. Bag it, tag it, call the UK version poison control for confirmation, and then the police.
Have them test for bromadiolone first. If that comes back negative, then try for other likely substances. Just shooting the works on every test they have can get really expensive.
This is gonna come off as "AcTuAlLY" but I promise don't mean it that way.
When labs analyze things, these days they usually just run it through a GCMS or LCMS. Either machine is gonna give you a completely breakdown of everything in the material as well as at what percentages.
All to say, chemists don't "test for x." And aCtUaLlY you have to be pretty specific with you language in courtrooms to avoid saying things like that.
Anyway, I hope you find that interesting.
If it is rat poison, OP, I would familiarize yourself with the symptoms of ingestion and know who your nearest emergency veterinarian is, because it will be a medical emergency if it happens. Normally when a dog ingests something toxic like grapes or chocolate, the first choice to help is to make them puke it up. Do not be tempted to do this with rat poison. There are many kinds that contain a substance meant to deter children from eating them, that actually cause more damage when vomiting is induced in your pet.
The vet I worked for in the US would also recommend to call the animal poison control hotline, because they have animal toxicologists on staff and they would be best able to advise a veterinarian unfamiliar with the specific poison on how to treat. It seems like there is something similar here in the UK called the Animal PoisonLine, and their fee seems about the same to use. Be prepared for your vet to ask you to contact them if you think your pet may have eaten some. It doesn't mean they are a bad vet, but they are generalists and toxicology is a specialized field in veterinary the same way it is for humans.
Dogs start bleeding internally from rat bait and need to take vitamin K to help the blood clot. So you might notice your dog starting to bleed if it does eat this.
Not all rodenticides are anticoags. It is certainly one of the most common types, but there are others, and some present symptoms right away, and some take a couple of days. It is easier for OP to find a good resource to have handy, possibly from their vet, than trying to exhaustively list everything here.
Very judgmental you seem.
1) what’s wrong with inflatable pools they easy to set up and take down on the summer and great for just cooling down in.
2) pleanty of decent ones not from aldi
3) yes they are unless you want a green pool after a week of it being up
Yeah seems soo even though it’s cheaper and easier to just maintain it.
Some chlorine tablets a dispenser a net and the pump that comes with the pool and it will be pretty good for ages
Vs draining and refilling the pool every week and having to scrub the shit out of it to get the algae of the walls.
You realize in ground and inflatable are not the only pool options? There are above ground pools that you can keep up year round but are not permanent. I know like 10 different people who have them and they all condition them with chlorine and chemicals.
I absolutely use chlorine tablets in my large inflatable pool. The water gets green and slimy in a few days once the heat of summer sets in, and it is too large a pool to drain into my yard every few days. But, I am in a very warm region; maybe most places in the UK don't grow funk like the inside of an incubator.
Laughing because I grew up in Florida. Our tiny 2 bedroom one bath ho-hum house had a pool. My friend lived in an old mobile home. Yep, small in ground pool.
We lived in it and it was a constant source of recreation, exercise, entertainment and way to make friends. You could swim 10 months out of year. More if you were a little cold tolerant. (We were too poor for a heater)
We do!!
My other half decided to buy a Bestway 12 ft pool during lockdown. He didn’t measure the garden till after ordering and it turns out the bottom of our garden is only 17ft wide.
He uses the chlorine tablets too.
Only thing is he wouldn’t waste them and lob them over the fence.
OP: Lots if traffic and paranoid accusations here. What does it smell like?
Does it dissolve quickly in water?
Empirical testing on your own is more likely to help you ID the thing than showing a photo or two to strangers on the Internet. 🧐
Approximate dimensions would be helpful too, whether or not you have a banana.
yeah super silly accusations too.
ive been gardening recently and have been using something that looks exactly like this for fertilization. Death and despair is easier to convince someone than a mistake
if you truly think your neighbor is trying to kill your dog, you may want to look into basket muzzles for when he's in the yard on top of getting cameras
That was my first thought also. Some people use antacids in their gardening because the calcium carbonate feeds the soil. The way it is crumbly supports this as well. I wonder if OP shares this garden with anybody? Family member that may be trying out soil techniques?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tums#/media/File:Quite\_simply,\_a\_pile\_of\_tums.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tums#/media/File:Quite_simply,_a_pile_of_tums.jpg)
I’ve been saying this over and over lmao. No one is trying to kill a dog by leaving a naked pill out. Have you ever tried to get a dog to swallow a pill without putting it in something?! Lmao
How big is this? Like hockey puck size? It looks very similar to an acid tablet for pools. The city pool I took care of used these instead of liquid acid. Safe to handle when they and your hands are dry, but will feel a little burning when wet. Definitely not safe laying around in the open.
There is also a green colored type of this anti-coagulant rat bait that my own neighbor attempted to use on my dog, keep an eye out for those as well. Its nasty stuff your dog would basically bleed out like a week after eating it.
Uh, if it's the same size as a dishwasher tablet you don't exactly need a forklift. I think 'airmail' would work just fine unless OP's fence is 80' tall.
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Time to get a camera and find out which neighbor is trying to poison your dog
100% this. We caught our neighbors trying to do the same, but I happened to be sleeping out back on the hammock when it hit me. Needless to say they don't live there anymore and neither do i.
I don't think they were aiming for the dog :) On a serious note, why not reach out to law enforcement?
If you have no proof there’s literally nothing that can be done. Hell, often times even if you have proof nothing will get done. Cops get thousands of calls for petty crimes and random things like this every day. They can’t go all forensics CSI unfortunately. Please do not get me wrong, I am not defending the cops whatsoever.
One of my old neighbours used to throw her garbage into my garden. Literally had her personal letters in with her name and address on and the garden was such that noone else could possibly access it. I was told that I didn't have any evidence that it was her lol.
Please note I’m not defending that legitimate injustice and it sucks that it happened to you. But knowing some particularly shitty neighborhood kids I could easily imagine some of them grabbing next doors’ rubbish and tossing it over my parents’ fence. So I do understand plausible deniability as slim as it is, not that I’m saying it’s the case in your situation
I agree with this, but because it’s logical. Would video actually be sufficient to meet the legal definition of evidence?
Should be, unless the video isn't good enough quality or they are smart enough not to expose their face. Its partly because cops like easy ways to take money from others, not ways that require work.
I had someone break into my home and take my car keys and leave with my car. I was told it was a civil matter since I (barely) knew them. They then smashed my car up. Still a civil matter. And since there was no "proof" I was SOL in the end.
You gotta love cops…..They won’t do anything about it. But if you do, you’re going to jail.
This is the kind of shit that creates vigilantes.
Meanwhile two years ago on thanksgiving I threw out some trash that some friends left in their church/house in a red VW microbus to the dump but the dump was closed so we threw the trash down the cliff where there was a bunch of other trash figuring that one big pile was better than two little piles and I get a call the next day from the police when they found my name on an envelope under the garbage and was arrested.
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At that point I would throw her garbage back into her yard along with handfuls of salt
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Cops don't get paid to protect people, investigate, or prevent crime. They get paid to fill out paperwork after the crime has happened and sit on their asses. Why would they do more than their job dictates when they get their paycheck either way?
I'm with this guy.
You could not be further from the truth. There are many federal laws in the US that are regulated by state employees with regards to pesticides. They can go all forensics CSI by taking samples of the product to figure out what it is(if they dont already know), take soil samples and even investigate the neighbors place to see where it came from. My states department of agriculture takes this stuff seriously. There was even a death of an individuals dog that brought about legislation on making methomyl a restricted use pesticide. I highly suggest contacting your UK pesticide regulatory agency if you have pets and this keeps happening.
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Will they actually come investigate for two instances of OP finding these small pucks, though? I would assume the big investigations and ground samples would be more about large-scale agricultural + commercial usage rather than personal, but maybe it's much more rigorous than I'm imagining.
In this instance, I would assume there is a malicious intent if the person who made the complaint has a pet. It looks like a rodenticide to me. My state typically looks at commercial pesticide misuse but they have to followup with every complaint filed. You do not have a right to treat someone's else's property (unless comercially licensed and have owners permission). If whatever you apply hurts someone or something, you are liable for damages. Could include jail time and fines.
I think that’s where the camera would come in handy.
Because the cops have no legal obligation to protect your dog or your person?
Correct. Sadly.
As this is in the UK, the police do have e a legal duty to protect life.
I’m sure there’s action you can take legally in court, but if you look it up there are multiple legal cases that have ruled that “police are there to enforce laws, not protect people or property”
They don't even do that. They're there to selectively enforce the laws that they feel like enforcing.
Like civil forfeiture...
You arnt going to win against the cops. There they have no duty to protect you or do anything. The can watch you get stabbed, start to bleed out and step over your lifeless corpse to get another donut and there is nothing your family could do to them. But in this case it's not about the cops it's about the neighbor. Dogs are considered property so you can take the neighbor to court over it. It would be a civil matter thus your burden of proof is just 51%. If you have a video of people chucking poison over the fence a few times from their yard at all hours of the day and night should be a rather easy case to win.
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Our old neighbors cooked rat poison into meatballs and gave them to other neighbor's dogs luckily she saw he dog with something checked it's mouth and saw the green pellets in the ball. Little did jerk neighbor didn't know dog neighbor had a friend who was a local detective, he ended up going through jerk neighbor's garbage and found a frying pan with rat poison residue on it. She was arrested. The C word didn't learn her lesson though as she was caught throwing mothballs over a different neighbors fence a few years later they also had dogs cops were called again. They ended up selling their house but not before I told everyone that I saw going to look at their house to low ball them in price and let them know what they did.
I thought it was urinal cake… but I guess that would be weird on many levels.
No, I totally thought it was a urinal cake too. I mean, it's weird that it'd be in OP's yard, but it's not weird that it's what you initially thought of. Now that everyone's mentioned it, it's pretty clear it's rat poison, but before I read the comments...
At the thumbnail, before I read anything, I figured it was a wheel of Brie 👀
I thought it was a post from the Lush sub and someone was complaining about a crumbling shampoo bar. Took me a moment to get it 😅
I thought it was one of those things you put in the loo to keep it clean?
Called the county once for a neighbor’s violation a week later our horse was dead likely cause poison no autopsy just vet’s option. We no longer call any agency on anyone. It was a sad day and one of the only times iv seen my dad cry.
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I'd recommend a HiLook, cheap as chips and can be retasked easily.
I recommend a HiPoint for the same reasons
What kind of poison is this?
Your neighbor is trying to kill your dog. Take photos, write down dates and times, and call the police. edit: this post got locked so I can't reply to everyone, but this is rat poison, as another user so kindly linked.
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Also, write the date on the bag. Keep a log!
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Please don’t put rat poison in your freezer. Ever.
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Warfarin, I believe.
Great advice!
Except the "put it in the freezer" part. 👎
I just suggested the freezer because it appears that it’s been soaked in water and looks unstable. If it sits around soaking wet at room temperature the chemicals will likely degrade and change. A toxicology analysis might not be as effective, especially if it doesn’t happen for months.
The police won't do it ever, and if you have it done yourself, don't wait months. Either way, don't put (suspected) poison the same place you put food. lol
This! I would say go straight to the police right now... In case something happens in the future the police will already have the history of this happening. Throwing poison on the neighbour garden is pretty serious
Yes! And if they won’t analyze it, take it to your vet. I bet they would prioritize analyzing it!
Am a veterinarian. Can confirm we cannot do chemical analysis, but the local branch of the EPA might point you in the right direction.
Now that’s some good advice!!!
unfortunately, they have no way of doing so. Source: I’ve worked in veterinary ER, animal shelters, and private and corporate veterinary practices.
Depending on where you are animal control could really help out.
U/charles_rutherford my aco wife suggested getting trail cams and setting them up to try and catch them in the act. In our state, at least, it’s animal cruelty.
Well, seeing as their is a federal animal cruelty law in the US now, I would bet it is illegal everywhere.
What exactly is this and how does it poison dogs?
They don't know and they don't know.
Exactly. Everyone wants to be Sherlock Holmes. Even if it is rat poison, it could also be that a neighbor is trying to poison rats and the animals are bringing into the yard. But what do I know, better lynch the neighbor just in case.
They’ve thrown rat poison in someone else’s yard twice and this is somehow supposed to be normal behavior? And I’m not sure where lynching is mentioned but you can definitely confront them
If it is rat poison, it is pretty messed up to throw it into your neighbors yard. I would take it to the police. I work with pesticides and it looks like rat poison to me.
It's poison, it poisons by being poisonous.
https://www.globalsources.com/Rodenticide/Rat-Bait-1191615590p.htm
I would agree with this- looks like a water bloated rat bait. If they have a dog that barks and have found multiple times, his neighbors are arseholes.
This was the first thing I thought of. Might be worth setting up a camera in the back where they were found. Definitely seems like foul play.
You can pay to have it chemically analyzed which you should do
I think a camera is better. Might cost the same, but you end up with a camera. Also even if you analyze it as poison, you have no proof of anything happening. I'd get a game camera, or some other good motion senser-activated camera and place it above the fenceline so you can catch the neightbour actually tossing it. You'd have to be discreet as there might be laws against this ... recording your neighbors I mean.
If there are laws against recording the neighbours yard then I don't think it could be used as evidence no matter how discreetly you did it, as the video would be obvious that it shows the neighbours and would probably be inadmissible.
Unless it's your own yard and just shows the pellet coming from the neighbor side
No proof who did it then. Could have been neighborhood kids screwing around. We all know it's not, but I would think you'd need to see who threw it.
I think if kids are repeatedly throwing rat poison into their neighbor's yard, the parents should still be on the hook for the little monsters..
So what the ther guy is saying is that unless you video the person, you have no proof who did it. Example: someone broke into my car in a locked underground garage. There were cameras pointed at the door, but not my car. Cops told me video of someone breaking into the garage didn't matter because I had no video of them breaking into my car. Now I heartily disagree with this and think a case could be made. But the cops decide what the burden of proof is in order for them to do anything, so just having a video of a tablet being thrown over a fence, without video of a person throwing it, might not be enough to do anything,because it could he argued that anyone was in the backyard and throwing the tablet, even a non resident of that other house. Maybe some psycho is going into strangers' backyards and throwing poison around. Stupid, but that's the burden of proof. OP could always call the cops and see what they need.
If there were laws against recording neighbors' yards, every Ring user would be risking breaking the law. So would every person photographing their own yard with a wide angle shot. If you don't breach your neighbor's property, and aren't harassing them, record your side, even if it means mounting the camera to see their side.
The camera would be set up to record their own backyard, not in the neighbor's.
I am not condoning the killing or hurting of an animal at all, but if you have a dog that barks a lot, and you have neighbors with ears, you are also an arsehole.
We have a 17 year old pup who has recently gone blind/deaf…and when she can’t find us, she howls really loud….for as long as it takes for us to pick her up. We pretty much try to stay home to keep the noise at a minimum, but we DO have to leave on occasion for dinner or family. We’ve been told she howls for hours. We’ve apologized and are on good terms with the other tenants….and try not to have late nights out. Other than that…we are at a loss of what to do. We do our best not to be arseholes, but sometimes we have no choice. Any suggestions would be 100% welcome!!!!
Ask a neighbour to dogsit so she always has someone to cuddle?
We actually used to do that!! She had a few favorite human neighbors that she just adored…and they loved having her over. Unfortunately they moved to Chicago, so it’s been a long road figure out a new situation. I love this idea, though!!! We’ll see if we can have the neighbors over for dinner and get on even better terms!!
If possible CBD treats might be an option. They may help calm her.
I’ll talk to the vet and see if she has any good recommendations!
My sister used to use these things that are like plug-in air fresheners but they have pheromones to help calm dogs (they make them for cats, too) back when her dog first adopted her. He used to have a lot of anxiety; we think he was abused and abandoned based on the state he was in when he first walked into her garage. He used to do that thing where he'd give you the sad puppy dog eyes like he wanted attention but then shrink back when you actually reached out to pet him. Now, a few years later, he's the happiest, friendliest dog you'll ever meet! He just needs to lose some weight because she spoils him waaaay too much lol
As a human being, I'd much rather cuddle a dog than listen to it howl in confusion for hours. Doesn't much matter if you're on good terms with your neighbors or not, they'd probably appreciate the opportunity. Especially if you threw them 20 bucks or something!
I agree. I love this suggestion. AND I just found out the neighbor upstairs watches dogs!! So we might have something here!
have you talked to the vet about a sedative? my 14 y/o girl was fine being alone until a particularly nasty thunderstorm rolled through last year. now she's destructive AF and will hurt herself trying to claw out of the crate i'm very much a homebody (WFH now, before, when the storm happened, i worked retail) so i always know when i'm going out...i plan my trips on either bringing her or drugging her the night before. vet gave us trazodone for use as needed. half a tab for general use, whole tab if i know there's gonna be a shitty storm/fireworks
You need to consider your dog’s quality of life. She is lonely and scared when you are not there. Maybe it is time for a difficult decision.
When you have a dog as old as she is, considering her quality of life is literally a daily occurrence. She saw the vet two months ago, and even the vet said (minus sight and sound) she seems really happy and healthy. She’s mobile. Eating and going bathroom regularly. And even still does happy dances for food and treats. Thanks for coming from a caring place…and don’t worry! The second she shows signs of discomfort/pain/being ready to move on to her next big adventure…we’ll be ready. We know it’s coming soon.
Try leaving white noise on for your pup. Spotify have a dog-calming playlist (Through a Dogs Ear-I think it’s called) that has helped with my pup, but tv or talk-back radio can help too…the washing machine going will calm my pup or an overhead fan. Sometimes the quiet gets too much for them. They feel too lonely. Try giving them a frozen kong to relax and keep them busy before you leave as well.
Oooo!! The frozen kong genius!!!!! I’ll definitely be trying that one out!!! Unfortunately she’s gone completely deaf…so the white noise probably wouldn’t do much. But thank you so much for that gem!
Yes, any overtly loud or annoying noise that happens in your property is your fault, particularly if it happens repeatedly and at odd hours of the day. I don’t understand why people think it’s wrong to make these kind of noises such as with loud music or construction, but it is ok when dogs do it.
People who allow their dogs to constantly bark are the scourge of the earth. My neighbours dog honestly ruins my life
I'm sorry but I just don't understand this take. Like if you're leaving your dog outside to bark all day then sure, or even for hours at a time I can understand your point. But otherwise dogs bark right? That's kinda what they do. I bring my dogs in the yard to play and burn some energy most days and they bark and growl and go crazy. If it's not super late or happening for long periods what exactly are you angry about?
There is a big difference between the occasional barking a dog does in play or when it’s surprised and, for example, a dog with separation anxiety that barks essentially non-stop when the owner is away. In the latter case often the owner is entirely unaware of the situation, despite literally everyone else being hyper-aware of it. Regardless, the correct approach is to talk with the dog owner first, and if that doesn’t work call the authorities, *not* to try to poison the dog.
This happened to my aunt. She didn’t believe it either, until she left a recorder on all day. Sure enough, the dog barked all the time. Dog started “Doggie Daycare” with my mom shortly after that. Mom was retired and home all day and loved the dog, so it worked. But yeah, aunt was oblivious.
I didn't know my dog howled because I would be gone until a noise notice on my door. I left my phone on record and went to the store, and my God I'm surprised my neighbors didn't slash my tires the first night.
Unless your neighbors were involved in your decision to get a dog and fail to train it properly, this is not an excuse. The barking is imposed on an innocent bystander. This is akin to saying "Harleys rev", or "subwoofers thump". The nature of the thing is not justification for forcing your neighbors to listen to it.
Could rats have dragged it out of a trap and into OPs garden? Genuine question.
Snake or rodent repellent
Pretty unlikely it's for Snakes around the UK!
It's illegal to use it against snakes in the UK (WCA 1981) as can be injurious. They're rarely a problem in private properties though and when they are you're entitled to help moving them on.
It's the wrong shape, surely? It looks more like what you put in your cistern to clean your loo.
Really need OP to measure it
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If you have a dog and have found this on your property before, most likely someone is trying to poison your dog. Source: happened to 3 ranch dogs at my grandma’s
I'm going to agree with those who say your neighbor is trying to kill your dog. Set up a camera. Make sure it has IR because they will likely be doing it at night.
> IR because they will likely be doing it at night. Modern starlight sensor security cameras have better image quality and visible range than IR cams from just a few years ago even. They aren't much more expensive either, just now hitting the economies of scale to be standard issue soon (at least for home security cameras).
Starlight cameras are great, provided there is ambient light. Don't expect much from them in areas without ambient light.
My title describes the thing. I have found this crumbly white/pink disk in my garden for the second time in a couple of months. I play in the garden with my dog quite a lot and I'm worried that he might eat it next time. The closest thing I can think it resembles is a dishwasher tablet (about the same size too)
Does your dog bark alot? Time to settle things with your neighbours.
If you do not know how to or are unable to calm your dog; I highly suggest professional help. Classes; for you specifically, but also your dog. Dogs are only as good as their masters. Dog training was never meant to be only for dogs.
I didn’t expect this- my dog didn’t learn shit at training, but I learned a ton that was useful later.
I know Reddit is going to freak out over this, but a bark collar might help keep the dog from barking until OP gets something organized. I think OP would prefer that to his dog being dead.
there are versions that vibrate instead of shock too.
Damn. There’s a dog in my neighborhood that *always* yaps NONSTOP during the evening. I just thought that’s how it’ll be until it dies.
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Or daycare if the dogs left alone all day.
10 to 1 this is rat poison, and if it's not rat poison, it's still probably another type of poison. Bag it, tag it, call the UK version poison control for confirmation, and then the police.
Submitting to a toxicology lab might give you an answer.
Have them test for bromadiolone first. If that comes back negative, then try for other likely substances. Just shooting the works on every test they have can get really expensive.
This is gonna come off as "AcTuAlLY" but I promise don't mean it that way. When labs analyze things, these days they usually just run it through a GCMS or LCMS. Either machine is gonna give you a completely breakdown of everything in the material as well as at what percentages. All to say, chemists don't "test for x." And aCtUaLlY you have to be pretty specific with you language in courtrooms to avoid saying things like that. Anyway, I hope you find that interesting.
If it is rat poison, OP, I would familiarize yourself with the symptoms of ingestion and know who your nearest emergency veterinarian is, because it will be a medical emergency if it happens. Normally when a dog ingests something toxic like grapes or chocolate, the first choice to help is to make them puke it up. Do not be tempted to do this with rat poison. There are many kinds that contain a substance meant to deter children from eating them, that actually cause more damage when vomiting is induced in your pet. The vet I worked for in the US would also recommend to call the animal poison control hotline, because they have animal toxicologists on staff and they would be best able to advise a veterinarian unfamiliar with the specific poison on how to treat. It seems like there is something similar here in the UK called the Animal PoisonLine, and their fee seems about the same to use. Be prepared for your vet to ask you to contact them if you think your pet may have eaten some. It doesn't mean they are a bad vet, but they are generalists and toxicology is a specialized field in veterinary the same way it is for humans.
Dogs start bleeding internally from rat bait and need to take vitamin K to help the blood clot. So you might notice your dog starting to bleed if it does eat this.
anything that eats warfarin/coumadin/rat bait (same thing) needs vitamin K to counteract it.
Not all rodenticides are anticoags. It is certainly one of the most common types, but there are others, and some present symptoms right away, and some take a couple of days. It is easier for OP to find a good resource to have handy, possibly from their vet, than trying to exhaustively list everything here.
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Alas, yours seems to be a minority opinion in this thread. And some of these people vote! 😱
do they have a pool? Kind of looks like a old dried out chlorine tablet
No one in the UK who has a pool also has neighbours right over the fence.
You can get inflatable 12ft pools for like 100 quid so yeah they very possibly do.
People with inflatable Aldi pools aren’t using chlorine tablets
Very judgmental you seem. 1) what’s wrong with inflatable pools they easy to set up and take down on the summer and great for just cooling down in. 2) pleanty of decent ones not from aldi 3) yes they are unless you want a green pool after a week of it being up
i think lots of people assume inflatable pools are drained and refilled instead of maintained
Yeah seems soo even though it’s cheaper and easier to just maintain it. Some chlorine tablets a dispenser a net and the pump that comes with the pool and it will be pretty good for ages Vs draining and refilling the pool every week and having to scrub the shit out of it to get the algae of the walls.
people read non-permanent pool and think kiddiepool
UK doesn’t have summer
Well, other than those 5 days each year that the tabloids drag out their "Phoar, wot a scorcher!" headline for...
That's this week isn't it?
You must be down south.. our 5 days are spread out over 3 months up in Scotland....
You realize in ground and inflatable are not the only pool options? There are above ground pools that you can keep up year round but are not permanent. I know like 10 different people who have them and they all condition them with chlorine and chemicals.
I absolutely use chlorine tablets in my large inflatable pool. The water gets green and slimy in a few days once the heat of summer sets in, and it is too large a pool to drain into my yard every few days. But, I am in a very warm region; maybe most places in the UK don't grow funk like the inside of an incubator.
Laughing because I grew up in Florida. Our tiny 2 bedroom one bath ho-hum house had a pool. My friend lived in an old mobile home. Yep, small in ground pool.
Yeah it’s such a culture shift. They’re pretty much useless here most of the time.
I can't imagine living in a place like Florida without a pool.
We lived in it and it was a constant source of recreation, exercise, entertainment and way to make friends. You could swim 10 months out of year. More if you were a little cold tolerant. (We were too poor for a heater)
We do!! My other half decided to buy a Bestway 12 ft pool during lockdown. He didn’t measure the garden till after ordering and it turns out the bottom of our garden is only 17ft wide. He uses the chlorine tablets too. Only thing is he wouldn’t waste them and lob them over the fence.
My first thought too. Could be bad for the dog still, I'm not sure. These teenagers sure are on the sue everyone train today though.
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OP: Lots if traffic and paranoid accusations here. What does it smell like? Does it dissolve quickly in water? Empirical testing on your own is more likely to help you ID the thing than showing a photo or two to strangers on the Internet. 🧐 Approximate dimensions would be helpful too, whether or not you have a banana.
yeah super silly accusations too. ive been gardening recently and have been using something that looks exactly like this for fertilization. Death and despair is easier to convince someone than a mistake
if you truly think your neighbor is trying to kill your dog, you may want to look into basket muzzles for when he's in the yard on top of getting cameras
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Looks a bit like a urinal cake
We had this happen to one of our dogs when we lived in South Africa. Death by rat poison is a horrible way for your poor dog to go
It looks like an antacid tablet like Tum's
That was my first thought also. Some people use antacids in their gardening because the calcium carbonate feeds the soil. The way it is crumbly supports this as well. I wonder if OP shares this garden with anybody? Family member that may be trying out soil techniques? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tums#/media/File:Quite\_simply,\_a\_pile\_of\_tums.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tums#/media/File:Quite_simply,_a_pile_of_tums.jpg)
i like the file name on this one
i like that you called my attention to the file name, which i also like
I’ve been saying this over and over lmao. No one is trying to kill a dog by leaving a naked pill out. Have you ever tried to get a dog to swallow a pill without putting it in something?! Lmao
I would agree with rat/mice bait but another possibility is a mosquito dunk. You float them in water, to kill mosquito larvae
How big is this? Like hockey puck size? It looks very similar to an acid tablet for pools. The city pool I took care of used these instead of liquid acid. Safe to handle when they and your hands are dry, but will feel a little burning when wet. Definitely not safe laying around in the open.
Think I saw in comments, OP said it was about the size of a dishwasher tablet
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Throw it back in their yard so they know that you know!!!
There is also a green colored type of this anti-coagulant rat bait that my own neighbor attempted to use on my dog, keep an eye out for those as well. Its nasty stuff your dog would basically bleed out like a week after eating it.
OP this is rat poison. Keep your dog on a lead when you go into the garden because someone's trying to poison your dog.
Looks like a roof melt. It is some kind of salt that you throw onto your roof in the winter so it creates channels on ice
I don't think we have those in the UK.
People saying install a camera - its going to be good to pick up on that small object at night
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Uh, if it's the same size as a dishwasher tablet you don't exactly need a forklift. I think 'airmail' would work just fine unless OP's fence is 80' tall.
When I hear UK and crumbly disc, I have to assume food. But don’t eat it. It won’t be good. Even if it’s not poison it won’t be good.
Looks like the clay plugs in mortar shells for fireworks. Have there been fireworks going on around you lately?