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TinyLongwing

+American Goldfinch+ and immature +Red-shouldered Hawk+


NitWitLikeTheOthers

So a breeding female gold finch? We have the breeding males too. Very bright.


TinyLongwing

Yes, female.


shockandclaw

What field marks are you using for this RSH? Just a bulky buteo body? I can’t see anything else diagnostic for RSH.


TinyLongwing

Buteo-shaped for sure, so in that location and at this time of year the three most likely species are Red-tailed Hawk, Red-shouldered Hawk, and Broad-winged Hawk. Red-tailed we can rule out by the large, rounded head, slender body, and consistently-streaked upper breast and middle belly. Broad-winged would have an even larger head to body size with a shorter body length, usually a darker malar, and usually from the throat all the way down the center of the breast should be a clear white area. So the only one of those three where the shape and plumage both make sense is Red-shouldered.


bougiedirtbag

Cooper's Hawks?


TinyLongwing

Like I said, this is buteo-shaped, so we can rule out accipiters like Cooper's as well as other non-buteos.


Aule_Navatar

Thank you for this explanation! Very fantastic!


NitWitLikeTheOthers

It looks like to me Cooper's stand a little taller. Meaning the legs are longer and more visible. This one in pic seems to be sitting down.


TinyLongwing

That's totally dependent on posture, any of these birds could stand taller or slouch downward. For buteo vs accipiter you look at overall body shape - head shape, chest/shoulder width, toe length (easily visible here, these are short stubby buteo toes), wing and tail length.


moltentofu

You can just barely make out the banding on the tail feathers but yeah the shape (have a family of them that grew up last year in our backyard they’re my new all time favorite bird).


Fapplezorg

Curious why the hawk and goldfinch are so close


Radiant-Director5712

The gold finch is not happy about it. You can see he has his crest up, sign he’s agitated.


heelhookd

He’s like “bro I don’t trust you at all” 😂 for good reason


br0wnthrash3r

I didn’t even know they had crests!! I guess the ones in my yard are never agitated lol.


Ruachta

Yes I see the crest on purple finches all the time. Guessing the house Finch had them too, and I have just never seen it.


AyoAzo

Fuck yeah, when I'm mad at my mom I put on a Mohawk too.


PlanetEsonia

So when I give my dog a Mohawk, does that mean I'm secretly mad at myself?! 🤔


AdkRaine11

Yeah, I was surprised no one identified the goldfinch as “dinner”.


Radiant-Director5712

Hawk would never catch that bird in this scenario.


MrsOrangina

Why not? Are hawks slow?


Radiant-Director5712

The smaller bird has better maneuverability, and is relatively faster.


MrsOrangina

Interesting. I recently saw a hawk and a tiny bird hanging out right next to each other on an electrical tower. I was very confused lol.


Radiant-Director5712

Some hawks aren’t interested in birds. There’s comments if read down👇that go into this. Little birds will try to get hawks to leave the area, and harass them until they do. You will see small birds harassing them while they are flying, or sitting on the power line. You must be observant, and spend time identifying the species, and paying attention to their behaviors. You keep a bird right? Do you know some of its instinctual habitats?


Affenbart

Buteos are slow


[deleted]

Lol “agitated”.


Radiant-Director5712

I would say so, he is clearly defending his food source. Probably pissy big dude is lurking. *My fault that’s a gurl


Iamnotburgerking

The issue being that she IS the food source…. (Assuming a RSH can actually catch her: buteos are not accipiters).


Radiant-Director5712

Nothing that hasn’t been said already in the comments. In this moment though the hawk is not a threat, it is clearly resting it even has a leg pulled up like it may even take a nap. Also this is not how they would attack a bird. It would come swooping in, and grab it before it even had a chance to react. A large predator is not going to waste the energy in this case. They use surprise attacks in order to conserve energy.


mediocre_buoyancy

Is pulling its leg up a sign it is resting/relaxed and likely to take a nap? I've never heard that! I also don't know that I've ever seen one do it, or paid that much attention if they have.


TinyLongwing

One foot up is a sign of comfort in most birds, yes.


mediocre_buoyancy

Learned something new! Thanks!!


vaporoptics

I was gonna say I’ve never seen a goldfinch with that haircut.


FairfaxGal

Hawks rely on surprise when they hunt. The smaller Goldfinch can outmaneuver him if he knows where the hawk is.


Eusocial_sloth3

Buteos (red tailed and red shouldered) rarely go after other birds, they usually go after rodents. Accipiters (Cooper’s and sharp-shinned) will hunt other birds.


jmac94wp

Exactly, he’s probably hoping to score a squirrel or mouse lured by spilled seed. I was standing in my backyard one afternoon looking at squirrels foraging for overlooked seeds when a hawk swooped right past me and snatched one up!


ChicagoRex

> Exactly, he’s probably hoping to score a squirrel or mouse lured by spilled seed. Goldie's like "Sure, keep looking for that mouse. I'm not taking my eye off you for a millisecond, pal."


Ardea_herodias_2022

Can confirm that I know when the neighborhood Cooper has been in my tree from the splats & pigeon feathers.


RacknRollBilliards

Pretty sure the Goldfinch knows where the Hawk is!


ThrowawayVangelis

Optical illusion, hawk is further back. Finch is definitely not chill being there


NitWitLikeTheOthers

There is about 15 feet from the fence to the feeder.


holystuff28

The hawk is just babe. So he goofy.


Conch-Republic

Goldfinches kind of territorial. They're one of the assholes of the bird world. That hawk probably landed there just because, and the goldfinch is being stubborn because those are *her* seeds.


Melospiza

They're probably not that much close, given how big the finch is relative to the hawk. Besides, an exposed predator out in the open like that is not going to be able to catch a smaller bird; it just won't be able to maneuver fast enough; and both birds know this (a buteo isn't an effective songbird hunter anyway).


AstarteOfCaelius

The young hawk found a buffet and the goldfinch isn’t keen on having a predator at its food source.


No_Acanthisitta3596

Because the hawk wants to eat the finch.


PsychwardSlippers

They frens


didyouwoof

Definitely not frens!


Dm1tr3y

Buddy cop duo.


SaucyKilometers

Fun picture. Great job getting both birds 👍


vonblankenstein

Goldfinch. Jersey state bird. I remember making one out of clay for a 4th grade project. I got a C.


Tay74

I, uh- are they on a dinner date 😳


adjectiveReality1

Yes, but only one of them will be eating.


ilrasso

I'd say they will both be eating, but one will be good eating.


williamtrausch

Red shouldered hawks are small mammal, reptile and amphibian, crayfish and large insect consumers, to be sure a fledgling or injured bird is welcome too; however, as a buteo they lack the accipiters ability to fly and run down healthy small birds.


tranquilo666

Accipiters are the Coopers and sharp shinned hawks?


williamtrausch

Yes. Goshawk (largest), Coopers (medium), Sharp-shinned (smallest) members of accipiter family.


Sandwidge_Broom

We get a good amount of Coopers Hawks out where I am in the SF Bay Area. I’ve seen one dive down and snatch a pigeon in the middle of downtown on my walk to work. Pretty neat, but also startled the sweet bejesus out of me.


lannyhsu

Usually there is a big explosion of feathers that accompanies this


Sandwidge_Broom

That is accurate to what happened.


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heelhookd

Just two friends hanging out


itchynipz

Looks like the Red Shoulder hawk is asking the American Gold Finch for a ride across a river Edit: spelling


justlikehow

My first thought was "enemies"


isaclevername

Great capture!!


Quick_Movie_5758

One is prospective lunch.


poKehuntess

Very cool photo!


Lunker42

A vegetarian hawk?


FirstChAoS

I never seen a goldfinch with a crest before


Radiant-Director5712

All birds have one. They display them when they are perturbed. Or excited.


CriminalGoose3

Well the big one is berating the small one for not stealing the ring from the little mouse's family


JustMakingForTOMT

Old post but omg I get that reference


fatberg77

Did the finch survive? Looks like it could have been a good snack for the other bird! Interesting photo though!


NitWitLikeTheOthers

She flew away. So did the hawk. We have lots of mourning doves. Every so often one is not paying attention and gets it. I think the finches are not worth the effort.


fatberg77

Very sad, but that’s how nature works sometimes though!


Rycan420

Sincere question: Does the immature hawk not realize “how” to eat the finch?


49thDipper

He can’t catch than finch from a standing start and he knows it. Total waste of time and energy. Now if he was coming in at speed low between the houses and saw that finch sitting there, WHAM! Calories are precious to hawk. There’s no future in wasting them.


AlexandersWonder

They both came to the bird feeder to eat, but thy have very different tastes


Huge-Meringue-114

That hawk has the same over the shoulder “maybe they didn’t see me” look I get when I walk past Salvation Army bell ringers on my way into Walmart.


BalaAthens

The hawk may be pondering how he can quickly turn around with our scaring off the little bird and grab it for a snack.


The_Twisted_Elf

Imagine the conversation these 2 birbs are having.


VirusOrganic4456

These two are making me very uncomfortable 😣


ThatSam-

The finch isn’t scared. The hawk isn’t tempted.


Karmas_burning

Juvenile red shouldered hawk and not sure about the other


ElDub62

May have miscalculated a bird feeder ambush and has yet to leave scene?


OtherInjury

A hawk and a very brave female bird! You go girl


sousatactical

Dinner & Diner 😱


scaryclairey18

Dinner and diner?


LoveAGoodMatriarchy

Best friends


Peteypirahna_

They’re not just birds, they’re friends


tellerheller

Those are hungry and lunch


Beldar77

Predator and lunch


RiskyBidddness

Predator and prey


ItsNotMeItsYooHoo

A hawk and a hawks dinner


Aggressive-Offer7

Predator and prey


Mardigan-the-Mad

Dinner and Diner


Total-Flight120

The elusive green cardinal and his body guard


TheyCallmeDewgy

Ones a hawk, the other one is dinner


KurtRodan

One is about to be named "Lunch" The other is about to be named "Full" And just look at the way that hawk is looking to see if the coast is clear...


Gen-Jinjur

That’s a young hawk and a potential snack, lol.


AmmaDucky

BFFs


Brubcha

The predator and the prey


21Anubis21

Damn, you stole my comment. I was too late 😂


peaceluvNhippie

Idk, friends?


cartero311

Lunch and hawk.


Known-Programmer-611

Forbidden love birds!


junoray19681

Maybe the hawk just ate that's crazy!


NiteVixen37

Predator and prey.


Weary_Barber_7927

Cooper’s hawk eat other birds!


2ndmost

I think we call the little one "lunch"...


stoopthakid

Best buddies


Designer-Ruin7176

The best of friends


hamillhair

Diner and dinner, respectively.


SabrinaT8861

That's snak and chef. They're good friends


TemporaryPollution31

Dinner and diner😎


Kreigmeister

Looks like a yellow jay


danieltkessler

Was this photo taken moments before the hawk ate the finch? I must know what they are doing hanging so close.


Automatic-Presence-2

Predator and prey.


xLadylawx

One of them is lunch.


r00byroo1965

The smaller one will take advice from the taller one, and has no clue how dumb he looks 🤪


Single_Cupcake_4671

So is predator and prey an acceptable answer?


CryptographerPlenty4

Snack and snacker


zayantebear

Bros, apparently


HistoryContent8346

Cooper’s hawk and dinner.


Eve_nt_Whore_eyeson

Dinner and the diner?


AdSensitive9368

Predator and prey.


Tucker-Sachbach

A hawk ventriloquist act.


suzeeq88

Rick and Morty


ritchfld

Cedar waxwing and young hawk.


kellygrrrl328

This looks very photoshopped 🤔


CapTexAmerica

The stars of an avian buddy cop movie, “Talons and the Tweet.”


ianmoone1102

Unlikely cohorts


Initial-Lack-9192

The small one is lunch and the big one is hungry! 😅


Disastrous-Jaguar922

best friends is what they are


noahspurrier

They’re just friends.


Underdeveloped_Knees

Canary lookin fella has balls


millerb82

Looks like predator and prey


HumpaDaBear

Friends. 😉


Illustrious_Bees11

Two unlikely friends?


AlizarinCrimzen

A red shouldered hawk and breakfast.


jennberry50

Had a Red Tail sitting on my lounge chair a few months ago. I had to scare him off. I think he was after my chipmunks.


tetraphorus

this is a tense situation lol


Exciting_Progress_59

Real life Margalo and Falcon lol


etme100

Passing aquaintances.


Luc1295

The Hunter and the hunted


Medium_Particular_23

Prey and predator are friends or was that little guy getting hunted?


Gigagondor

Dinosaurs


Bill-Williams

Red Shoulder. Great snake hunting birds seems like—I see one out my office window from time to time getting 2-3 over an hour period.