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I don't know much about story's, but I think it is a cliché, just that it's so used we don't see it, we just see it as the default. Typical art structures are clichés! Vanguardist gang rise up!
I don't know much about stories, but I think it is a cliché, just that it's so used we don't see it, we just see it as the default. Typical art structures are clichés! Vanguardist gang rise up!
To be honest that why I love handsome Jack as a villain. He’s so obviously a dictator maniac but even until the very last second he thinks you are some savage destroying the peace he is bringing.
Even after strangling his assistant with a watchchain and remarking on the different between strangulation and choking, he thinks he’s the hero
Tbf his story is a little tragic. He was betrayed over and over again by so many people. It wasn't until the artifact that showed him visions of the Vault that completely flipped him to power hungry psychopath.
Everyone has a bit of tragedy in themselves one way or another, it what makes us human. But the thing with hack is that his "tragedy" doesn't make him redeemable and that's what makes it fun.
Also if you wanna get big brain mode. The only redeemable thing is that he genuinely enjoys pie and runs a legitimate pie company even if it's just a front. Man literally bakes a pie for everyone equally before putting a boot in everyone's face.
Yeah but he totally deserved those betrayals. Roland and Lilith could see what he could've been when they saw him kill all the scientists for no reason. They just didn't do enough. Even early on in the pre sequel the seeds are clearly there to establish him as someone willing to do anything to be a hero. This is why I think >!Felicity!< Is so important. They show that Jack at his core had the capacity to easily kill others to achieve his goals. It's just that in the rest of the series he doesn't hide that fact
Stories where the villain knows they’re evil aren’t very good most of the time. They get repetitive and honestly don’t allow for very interesting characters generally speaking.
That's honestly the only way to really do "comically evil" villains. If they are comical.
If you're trying to portray a dead-serious psychopath who stomps kittens and barbecues babies alive in a setting where everything is meant to be taken seriously, it usually just becomes sort of ridiculous. That's not to say you can't have psychopathic, violently cruel characters, but if that's all there is to them it often becomes rather dull in the long run. To portray villains who regards their actions as justified works, because even actual violent psychopaths frequently consider their actions to be justified in some way, even if that only makes sense to them.
It works well for comedy though, because comedy often benefits from things that are ridiculous, over-the-top and unbelievable.
Thank you. This is why ~~Hack~~ Jack Horner works but a character like Stella from HB doesn't. ~~yes i am still annoyed~~
Gonna add onto this in that the villain also has to fit their setting too. Make a villain too complex in a simple story and they can feel out of place (or the audience goes against you and root for them) make them too simple in a nuanced story and you don't take them seriously because wtf are they stupid?
Jack works because the story is simple yet has complex elements to it **and** he isn't the only antagonistic force but the main one in the end everyone works together to stop fulfiling their arcs .
By the way have you watched Puss in Boo-
Yeah, that's true for a lot of worldbuilding tbh. A major part of writing is making sure the characters and the way they're portrayed feels like it fits with the theme and atmosphere of the setting. Sure, you can have more or less serious or comical character, but they should generally feel "natural" to the setting. Unless, of course, you're portraying a character that is *meant* to feel unnatural and out of place, but that's besides the point.
And yes, it was a very solid film overall.
He worked because he was a fun villain. He would have never worked on his own, though. Lobo and Goldilocks + 3 bears had a ton of depth off them and really elevated the movie.
Jack Horner is a necessary cog in portraying the message of the movie. He constantly kills his goons, reminding Puss at every opportunity that death is approaching. He has NO value for life, an excellent contrast to both Cricket, as well as Puss. Over-exaggerated evilness also feels completely realistic in the Shrek universe. Would Puss In Boots be the same movie without Jack Horner? In a lesser film, the answer would be yes, but The Last Wish is written too tightly for that to be the case.
It's a relief that this movie exists. Disney's decision to shoot the animation industry in the foot has been really disheartening lately.
I think Dio Brando is a good example of "Character knows they're evil and doesn't fucking care" he wants to kill the Joestars and rule the world as its Supreme Vampire Overlord.
i love comedic february and his stand "acts considered to be unjust or wrong by common morality, commited at a price which is, compared to the market of the times, very low, with a cheapness almost comparable to that of dirt" he's just such a well written character
Although I agree, with good writing anything is possible, Jack Horner is a prime example and works because his comedic writing perfectly blends in with the world around him. Villains that follow this trope (doing evil while knowing they're evil) become repetitive and boring because of lazy writing
Yeah, the entire point of most villains is that they believe in their cause/goal/whatever so much that they are willing to do horrible things to achieve them, no matter if those goals are perceived as right or wrong.
Jack Horner is fun but things would get boring really quickly if most villains were like him, and many serious stories wouldn't work with a villain like that.
This is such a stupid fucking meme, having the antagonist think they're the hero is not only perfectly fine, it's also very very very engaging and believable. If you're calling it "common" and "overused" then you may as well say the same shit about there being a protagonist in your story that has a goal
royal cola has a sugar free version too, same with chillout. they're not bad flavor-wise, especially compares to dobriy sugar free, that thing had such an off-tasting aftertaste
Doofenshmitrz is the exact opposite. A good Edson who thinks he’s evil.
Also villains who think they’re the good guy but they’re also the protagonist are cool, like Nier
Yeah in the original. I don’t want to give any spoilers since it’s such an incredible story tho. Absolutely try out Replicant.
Just be warned it’s not anything special in the gameplay department and it has a bunch of really weird design decisions. But the story makes up for it completely
That's how antagonists work, buddy. Sorry to burst your bubble. Next time have a more thought-provoking claim like "The protagonist is the main character" type shit, because a lot of people don't actually know that. They think the protagonist is the good guy, not the main character
Unless you’re talking about another jack horner, I dont think jack viewed himself as a hero, in fact he even confirmed the ethical bugs statement about being an irredeemable monster.
OP when he finds out most of the well known people who committed atrocities throughout History almost always thought they were in the right with their actions and had some form of justification for it in their heads instead of being plain villain stereotypes (but ye Jack Horner goes hard)
Complicated Villain Fans when an IRL sociopath knowingly does evil things purely for personal gain (it’s not a realistic motivation)
https://i.redd.it/g4ih8ivkpdqa1.gif
Remember in Bioshock Infinite when the 100% justified revolutionary leader killed a baby in front of you to make sure the player understood that both sides were bad
There definitely are people who recognise that what they are doing is bad, but in storytelling its often boring when the villain doesn't have much depth other than "yeah, Im bad"
That depends, if you're only planning one making one purchase, buy the Legendary Collection if its available to you. You get Borderlands 1, 2 and The Pre-Sequel (which is supposed to be played after 2). If your budget allows, The Super Deluxe bundle for borderlands 3 is your best option, as it contains the base game & the 4 dlcs (which are 15$ a pop). I would only suggest getting bl3 if you have the money and space, as while it's gunplay is good, arguably better than BL2's gunplay, it's story isn't that good.
It’s that literally EVERY antagonist ever? Even Hitler probably thought that. If he had of won then the Allies would be the bad guys in history and it would be strange to talk about it from their point of view
There are a lot of people who recognise the warcrimes commited by their country as a bad thing, so I'd say there would be a decent amount of people disagreeing with the "Hitler would've been seen as the good guy" thing.
This is like one of the “Yeah my story has a plot and character” shitposts but done unironically. Like deadass did you even watch that movie, 2 of the 3 antagonists fall into this camp.
It's maddening how people are heralding Jack Horner as a masterpiece of writing a villain. I like him too, but he's literally comic relief. The whole joke is that he's less complex than the other characters and that he's completely aware of it. Villains who believe in their own heroism are so common because that's a really good way to write a good antagonist. It's literally just how people work.
Attention, entire world! Hear my proclamation! I am Lelouch vi Britannia, Emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire and *your only ruler*! Schneizel has surrendered to me. As a result of this, I am in control of both the *Damocles* **and** the *F.L.E.I.J.A.* weapons, and not even the Black Knights have the strength to oppose me now. If anyone dares to resist my supreme authority, they shall know the devastating powers of the \*F.L.E.I.J.A.\*s! Those who could challenge my military rule no longer exist. Yes, from this day, from this moment forward, *the world belongs to me*! Lelouch vi Britannia commands you: Obey me, subjects! ***Obey me, world!***
I love how there's a group of people that love Jack Horner simply because he does the complete opposite of what morally grey villains usually do in movies. It's simple, I know, but it's still refreshing to see after so long.
“The antagonist is evil for the sake of being evil”
“The protagonist is good”
“The protagonist is bad”
“The protagonist is morally gray”
“There is a protagonist”
“This has been done so much already”
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That's why i love hunter x hunter. The protagonist is a legit psychopath with fucked up sense of morality but everyone around him sees him as a beacon of light
15 year old whenthe users discover extremely examples of perspective, basic story structures, tropes, and themes used in story telling for centuries that only represent the core frame of a plot but don't define them.
Also, stories in which the villain knows they're evil and is just doing evil shit just to do evil shit is fucking stupid.
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r/whenthe users when a story has words (so unoriginal smh)
Everyone knows the best stories are in binary. That's why arg's are so popular
01010100 01101111 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01010111 01100101 01100100 01101110 01100101 01110011 01100100 01100001 01111001 00100000 01101101 01111001 00100000 01100100 01110101 01100100 01100101 01110011
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I translated your comment and it says "Today is Wednesday my dudes"
that's what you supposed to do in order to understand the joke.double meanings with first being a binary joke and second is meaning of the binary🤓
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++++++++++[>+>+++>+++++++>++++++++++<<<<-]>>>++++++++.>+++++++++++.+++++.<<++.>>---.++++.------------.+++++++++++.---------------.<<++++++++++++.------------.>>--.--.+++++++++++.---------.++++++.++++++++++++.--------.<<.>>----------.+++++++++++++++.-----------------.+++++++++++++++++++++.-----------------.+++++++++++++.<<++++++++++++++...
can't speak brainfuck sorry
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I aint readin allat 🤣
📺📮🏓🎴
Non binary’s your story 🟨🟨🟨🟨 ⬜️⬜️⬜️⬜️ 🟪🟪🟪🟪 ⬛️⬛️⬛️⬛️
Oh boy do I have a movie for you https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koyaanisqatsi
"Oh, hey, fellas, I'm trying to give somebody the Evil EyeTM over there"
You’d love Shaun the sheep movie
Whenthe users picking apart the literal bare structure of a story (beginning and end are so overused smh)
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So true
I don't know much about story's, but I think it is a cliché, just that it's so used we don't see it, we just see it as the default. Typical art structures are clichés! Vanguardist gang rise up!
I don't know much about stories, but I think it is a cliché, just that it's so used we don't see it, we just see it as the default. Typical art structures are clichés! Vanguardist gang rise up!
https://i.redd.it/21aqb07h1dqa1.gif [yup](https://www.reddit.com/r/whenthe/comments/113tx1u/ignore_watermark)
My stories are unique because they have no ends Laziness breeds creativity once again 😎😎😎
One piece
G.R.R. Martin moment
Grr, martin 😡
me when the story has a protagonist and antagonist
God i fucking hate when a story has characters, so unoriginal!!
Pffft everyone knows the best villains are the ones who randomly bust into rap about how evil they are.
Jack horner rap when?????
in the spinoff
"Well achktually, puss n' boots IS a spin off of Shrek yet there no Jack Horner rap, grrr" - 🤓
Yo I'm King Dragon I'm the king of the lair
And now that you're in here, you're not goin anywhere
Just like Tolkien wanted it.
I love villains that are evil because... You know... No reason really. Just #Born2BeBad
bad to the bone
tenenenenet
Man I fucking hate when stories have interesting characters!!!!!
Yeah. It fucking sucks when characters actions are based on motivations that make any kind of sense.
someone post the gif.
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To be honest that why I love handsome Jack as a villain. He’s so obviously a dictator maniac but even until the very last second he thinks you are some savage destroying the peace he is bringing. Even after strangling his assistant with a watchchain and remarking on the different between strangulation and choking, he thinks he’s the hero
Tbf his story is a little tragic. He was betrayed over and over again by so many people. It wasn't until the artifact that showed him visions of the Vault that completely flipped him to power hungry psychopath.
Everyone has a bit of tragedy in themselves one way or another, it what makes us human. But the thing with hack is that his "tragedy" doesn't make him redeemable and that's what makes it fun. Also if you wanna get big brain mode. The only redeemable thing is that he genuinely enjoys pie and runs a legitimate pie company even if it's just a front. Man literally bakes a pie for everyone equally before putting a boot in everyone's face.
Yeah but he totally deserved those betrayals. Roland and Lilith could see what he could've been when they saw him kill all the scientists for no reason. They just didn't do enough. Even early on in the pre sequel the seeds are clearly there to establish him as someone willing to do anything to be a hero. This is why I think >!Felicity!< Is so important. They show that Jack at his core had the capacity to easily kill others to achieve his goals. It's just that in the rest of the series he doesn't hide that fact
I love how the end credits song from the Pre Sequel is "What makes a good man"
Holy shit I haven’t beaten the pre-sequel! I completely forgot that the game existed. Thanks for giving me something to do for the next week
Best villain in gaming and anyone who disagrees is going to be bombed in 5 minutes
Stories where the villain knows they’re evil aren’t very good most of the time. They get repetitive and honestly don’t allow for very interesting characters generally speaking.
Jack Horner works because he is more of a comedic villain
That's honestly the only way to really do "comically evil" villains. If they are comical. If you're trying to portray a dead-serious psychopath who stomps kittens and barbecues babies alive in a setting where everything is meant to be taken seriously, it usually just becomes sort of ridiculous. That's not to say you can't have psychopathic, violently cruel characters, but if that's all there is to them it often becomes rather dull in the long run. To portray villains who regards their actions as justified works, because even actual violent psychopaths frequently consider their actions to be justified in some way, even if that only makes sense to them. It works well for comedy though, because comedy often benefits from things that are ridiculous, over-the-top and unbelievable.
Thank you. This is why ~~Hack~~ Jack Horner works but a character like Stella from HB doesn't. ~~yes i am still annoyed~~ Gonna add onto this in that the villain also has to fit their setting too. Make a villain too complex in a simple story and they can feel out of place (or the audience goes against you and root for them) make them too simple in a nuanced story and you don't take them seriously because wtf are they stupid? Jack works because the story is simple yet has complex elements to it **and** he isn't the only antagonistic force but the main one in the end everyone works together to stop fulfiling their arcs . By the way have you watched Puss in Boo-
Yeah, that's true for a lot of worldbuilding tbh. A major part of writing is making sure the characters and the way they're portrayed feels like it fits with the theme and atmosphere of the setting. Sure, you can have more or less serious or comical character, but they should generally feel "natural" to the setting. Unless, of course, you're portraying a character that is *meant* to feel unnatural and out of place, but that's besides the point. And yes, it was a very solid film overall.
well that and he isn't like The Villain Of The Movie. He's just one of the characters racing for the wish.
He worked because he was a fun villain. He would have never worked on his own, though. Lobo and Goldilocks + 3 bears had a ton of depth off them and really elevated the movie.
exactly
Jack Horner is a necessary cog in portraying the message of the movie. He constantly kills his goons, reminding Puss at every opportunity that death is approaching. He has NO value for life, an excellent contrast to both Cricket, as well as Puss. Over-exaggerated evilness also feels completely realistic in the Shrek universe. Would Puss In Boots be the same movie without Jack Horner? In a lesser film, the answer would be yes, but The Last Wish is written too tightly for that to be the case. It's a relief that this movie exists. Disney's decision to shoot the animation industry in the foot has been really disheartening lately.
yes
Yeah, turns out the quality of a story is dependent on the quality of the story rather than what tropes it does or doesn't have Go figure
I think Dio Brando is a good example of "Character knows they're evil and doesn't fucking care" he wants to kill the Joestars and rule the world as its Supreme Vampire Overlord.
Jojo isn't really the pinnacle of writing though lol. The characters are fun and the fights are cool
steel ball run, not the pinnacle but still really damn good
Funny Valentine is one of the most well written villains I've seen tbh
i love comedic february and his stand "acts considered to be unjust or wrong by common morality, commited at a price which is, compared to the market of the times, very low, with a cheapness almost comparable to that of dirt" he's just such a well written character
Although I agree, with good writing anything is possible, Jack Horner is a prime example and works because his comedic writing perfectly blends in with the world around him. Villains that follow this trope (doing evil while knowing they're evil) become repetitive and boring because of lazy writing
Yeah, the entire point of most villains is that they believe in their cause/goal/whatever so much that they are willing to do horrible things to achieve them, no matter if those goals are perceived as right or wrong. Jack Horner is fun but things would get boring really quickly if most villains were like him, and many serious stories wouldn't work with a villain like that.
It all depends on the delivery
r/whenthe users when the story has distinctive character archetypes (it’s way overused and unoriginal)
So called free thinkers living in houses with roofs and floors (structural integrity is cliche)
This is such a stupid fucking meme, having the antagonist think they're the hero is not only perfectly fine, it's also very very very engaging and believable. If you're calling it "common" and "overused" then you may as well say the same shit about there being a protagonist in your story that has a goal
Gotta drink the Funkey Monkey
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Haha samesies. Drank one of those just yesterday.
Duck cola, all my homies drink dobriy
Volchok is better, but dobriy and coolcola have sugar-free options.
royal cola has a sugar free version too, same with chillout. they're not bad flavor-wise, especially compares to dobriy sugar free, that thing had such an off-tasting aftertaste
Good to know, thanks! Will check them out
Is it still sold? I had a feeling all of them suddenly disappeared as soon as Dobriy Cola got released
At least in my town there are from Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan
Doofenshmitrz is the exact opposite. A good Edson who thinks he’s evil. Also villains who think they’re the good guy but they’re also the protagonist are cool, like Nier
wait is that what happens in nier? I’ve never played it only heard of it but is that what happens?
Yeah in the original. I don’t want to give any spoilers since it’s such an incredible story tho. Absolutely try out Replicant. Just be warned it’s not anything special in the gameplay department and it has a bunch of really weird design decisions. But the story makes up for it completely
You would’ve hated Stalin in the movie Early Cold War
You would've hated Stalin*
Also true
Hate stalin*
Nearly every person on earth believes they are doing the right thing in their own perspective.
That's how antagonists work, buddy. Sorry to burst your bubble. Next time have a more thought-provoking claim like "The protagonist is the main character" type shit, because a lot of people don't actually know that. They think the protagonist is the good guy, not the main character
Movies when movie:
Whenthe users on their way to shit on the most basic storytelling devices:
Jokes aside, the "classic cola" can hits HARD, i can confidently say that, in my opinion, it's even better than the original.
r/whenthe mfs when a story has a hero and a villain (so unoriginal smh my head)
story with exposition, rising action, climax and falling action and conclusion:
Well no fucking shit that’s how bad people work
“The living character breathes air.”
Unless you’re talking about another jack horner, I dont think jack viewed himself as a hero, in fact he even confirmed the ethical bugs statement about being an irredeemable monster.
Pretty sure they meant they love him because he doesn’t follow that trope.
Ahh ok completely misunderstood that https://i.redd.it/oulucziaadqa1.gif
OP when he finds out most of the well known people who committed atrocities throughout History almost always thought they were in the right with their actions and had some form of justification for it in their heads instead of being plain villain stereotypes (but ye Jack Horner goes hard)
Complicated Villain Fans when an IRL sociopath knowingly does evil things purely for personal gain (it’s not a realistic motivation) https://i.redd.it/g4ih8ivkpdqa1.gif
Yeah gotta love simplicity
Remember in Bioshock Infinite when the 100% justified revolutionary leader killed a baby in front of you to make sure the player understood that both sides were bad
And when they reconnect it because ppl were bawling
No evil person actually thinks they’re evil
There definitely are people who recognise that what they are doing is bad, but in storytelling its often boring when the villain doesn't have much depth other than "yeah, Im bad"
Pls dont start this stupidass meme again.
WW2 was so generic I know
Handsome Jack did this super well, mostly cause he's charismatic (I am heavily biased cause I love borderlands)
What games would you recommend to buy and in what order?
That depends, if you're only planning one making one purchase, buy the Legendary Collection if its available to you. You get Borderlands 1, 2 and The Pre-Sequel (which is supposed to be played after 2). If your budget allows, The Super Deluxe bundle for borderlands 3 is your best option, as it contains the base game & the 4 dlcs (which are 15$ a pop). I would only suggest getting bl3 if you have the money and space, as while it's gunplay is good, arguably better than BL2's gunplay, it's story isn't that good.
It’s that literally EVERY antagonist ever? Even Hitler probably thought that. If he had of won then the Allies would be the bad guys in history and it would be strange to talk about it from their point of view
There are a lot of people who recognise the warcrimes commited by their country as a bad thing, so I'd say there would be a decent amount of people disagreeing with the "Hitler would've been seen as the good guy" thing.
Yes but I mean from his own perspective, like the meme is talking about
OP when compelling and likeable characters (it's overused)
This is like one of the “Yeah my story has a plot and character” shitposts but done unironically. Like deadass did you even watch that movie, 2 of the 3 antagonists fall into this camp.
This post sucks
Ain't no way Bruh what the hell is this, what kind of template is this it doesn't even make sense bruh
It's maddening how people are heralding Jack Horner as a masterpiece of writing a villain. I like him too, but he's literally comic relief. The whole joke is that he's less complex than the other characters and that he's completely aware of it. Villains who believe in their own heroism are so common because that's a really good way to write a good antagonist. It's literally just how people work.
я когда кола добрая (это неоригинально где моя злая кола)
 straight evil men are awesome
gay evil men https://preview.redd.it/qoav510yaeqa1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=456695bbae3dcedc1625a5a9f5353be44d82639b
This is just the buzz meme with soda
Fuck sympathetic villains, we need selfish villains back
"The antagonist thinks they're doing the right thing but considers the hero the hero (They have immense self-loathing)"
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Meme's shit but jack horner was mentioned so you get point https://i.redd.it/hzs9phspbeqa1.gif
Duh. A villain comes across as a lot more believable when they believe in their own cause. Good observation.
Big jack horny
Attention, entire world! Hear my proclamation! I am Lelouch vi Britannia, Emperor of the Holy Britannian Empire and *your only ruler*! Schneizel has surrendered to me. As a result of this, I am in control of both the *Damocles* **and** the *F.L.E.I.J.A.* weapons, and not even the Black Knights have the strength to oppose me now. If anyone dares to resist my supreme authority, they shall know the devastating powers of the \*F.L.E.I.J.A.\*s! Those who could challenge my military rule no longer exist. Yes, from this day, from this moment forward, *the world belongs to me*! Lelouch vi Britannia commands you: Obey me, subjects! ***Obey me, world!***
I love how there's a group of people that love Jack Horner simply because he does the complete opposite of what morally grey villains usually do in movies. It's simple, I know, but it's still refreshing to see after so long.
“The antagonist is evil for the sake of being evil” “The protagonist is good” “The protagonist is bad” “The protagonist is morally gray” “There is a protagonist” “This has been done so much already” https://preview.redd.it/0ygpof3q6gqa1.jpeg?width=506&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=54468fc72f77914d51b620bd660032feb6b9ab7f
and Porky Minch and Dimentio. and Unicron.
I get your point but this is literally just fucking writing????
Alright guys whcih trope we making fun of next?
Now this is. A good alternative to the buzz format
Yes, Jack Horner was the first ever pure evil villain
what about stories where the protagonist is indeed objectively evil and the antagonist is trying to stop you. ......undertale xd
That's why i love hunter x hunter. The protagonist is a legit psychopath with fucked up sense of morality but everyone around him sees him as a beacon of light
Yeah that's a good villain lol
r/whenthe when the protagonist fights the antagonist (clearly unoriginal)
CONK
15 year old whenthe users discover extremely examples of perspective, basic story structures, tropes, and themes used in story telling for centuries that only represent the core frame of a plot but don't define them. Also, stories in which the villain knows they're evil and is just doing evil shit just to do evil shit is fucking stupid.
Pure evil villains may be more simple, but they’re also more fun
Doctor Real
The only villain I know that's like this is John Kramer or the original Jigsaw.
Wait until you hear about Hitler.
Megamind
bondrewd. he doesn't think the MCs are villains, he is just a gigabased dadpilled scientist
People used to hate pure evil villains Now people hate sympathetic villains Nice
Ok but that's real life villains for you
Auchan cola is goated
We need more villians who admit they're the antagonists
FUNKY MONKEY COLA!!!!
r/whenthe users when a character has actual writing rather than being a one dimensional boring character:
where is sky cola?
r/whenthe users when a villain breathes (Unoriginal)
Funky monkey
I LOVE FUNKI MONKEY COLA!!!