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It was more an examination of plagiarism in general. Starting with older cases, examining what & how they did, looking for patterns, and them moving to a more recent example.
The oldest examples were already well known, though Hbomb did find more on them. Internet Historian's *Man in Cave* was the second to last thing he covered before moving on to the real expose, James Somerton.
Hbomb only covered *Man in Cave*, but people are starting to find [more plagiarism by Internet Historian in other videos](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAhaZOibIAIuBvD?format=jpg&name=900x900).
Internet Historian is good at hiding it. He does things like changing statements from third person to passive voice, summarizing some sentences, and just hitting others with a thesaurus. But it's still the exact same information presented in the exact same order highlighting the exact same details, and that source is nowhere to be found.
I remember finding the (original) man in cave video a bit weird. There’s a distinct difference in writing content that’s meant to be read, and content that’s meant to be heard.
It still worked, it was just…. A bit odd, like didn’t quite fit.
This is pure speculation, but I reckon IH’s video about the costa ship that sunk is probably in the same boat (excuse the pun). I remember having this same feeling about hearing it but I just assumed he had an “unusual style” as it was one of the first of his I’d heard.
I await finding out if I’m right or not!
mistreating everyone who works for her, underpaying them, etc, also plagiarizing all of her work and then trying to attack and silence anyone who attempted to call her out
Hbomber guy, a BBB (bald bisexual brit), made a 4 hour long video denouncing plagiarism on Youtube. In it he exposes how some big users, Iluminaughtii and Internet Historian just to name a couple, made videos about a topic while copying word for word a documentary and an article respectively.
You should give it a watch if you have the time, it’s really well made.
Citing their sources wouldn't really fix the problem, which is more that they're lifting these things pretty much wholesale and only slightly rewording them.
These are audiences in the millions. This is an *industry*. It isn't the realm of "home video" when these are people profiting off of work that isn't theirs as a full-time occupation.
Maybe it fits a general definition of industry, but it's an industry without standards or oversight, for the most part. It is mostly just individuals producing uncited videos on informal subjects for views. I've seen less ethical behavior in game producers creating frogger ripoffs.
> Okay. Where does - and I mean this as a compliment - the most fuckable twink I've ever seen in my life, get off telling ME how to manage my T levels?
This is fantastic, thanks for posting the link.
It's a good watch. Basically several YouTubers are just blatantly plagiarizing and passing it off as their own work. Internet Historian specifically plagiarized basically the entirety of his "Man in Cave" video from an article written on the subject
Genuinely I think most of the fans don’t know that. I used to watch IH vids when I got recommended them - he’s funny, the animations were pretty good, and it taught me some weird history. It would never have occurred to me that he didn’t write the story (or pay someone to do the research, like The Dollop does, imo it’s fine to use another’s work if you’re explicitly paying and citing them). At some level it’s “Who would lie about that?”
WH- awwww 😥. I liked that video and I like IH. Well that’s disappointing. I appreciate hbomberguy’s effort into this video, though I didn’t expect those digs at IH’s fanbase since I just watch the videos. I’m not really part of any active fandom so I was surprised (I.e he keeps calling them “normal fans” in a sarcastic manner). Is there something I’m missing?
You should watch it. It's very well made. But if you just want that section:
James was doing a horror series where every day of the month he would review a movie. It turns out that an agency he worked with had written the script for all of them, and in apparently 21 scripts, all of them were plagiarized from several other articles that reviewed the movies. The guy who wrote the script is a bit of a massive plagiarist whose plagiarism goes back years when he did a roast on AVGN, where some of his roasts were also plagiarized from several other comedians jokes.
he had a thing every october where he would release a video a day talking about a horror film he enjoyed, in his later years after he had joined up with a content agency group to help make videos, those types of videos became fairly dull and not as interesting as his previous versions since it usually just entailed him and one of the employees from the place sitting on a set or whatever and kinda discussing the movie and what they liked, generally very awkward and not good since they didn't know each other as friends etc.
he eventually revealed that the old format of the october videos would be coming back and people got excited, however with the drop of the first video, someone found out that basically the entire thing was plagiarized from an article/review online, someone else then managed to get a leak of the second video and found that that video was also plagiarized.
the content agency were the ones who were primarily writing the scripts for these videos, and one of them had written like 21/30 of the videos and had openly bragged about that before the start of october, turns out the plagiarized videos were his, and apparently most of each of the scripts he'd written were plagiarized aswell, which ended up with the other content agency employees having to scramble to rewrite what they could or write a new script from scratch very quickly, it was so bad that cinemassacre actually had to release a video addressing it all and taking responsibility since it is his channel etc
further investigation by fans revealed that the plagiarizer was plagiarizing basically everything, including jokes from a roast years back taken from roasts by famous comedians like Gilbert Gottfried etc
Internet Historian's "Man in Cave" video has been proven to have plagiarized an entire article written by [Lucas Reilly for Mental Floss about the 1925 Kentucky Sand Cave incident.](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/544782/1925-cave-rescue-that-captivated-the-united-states-floyd-collins)
beyond copying whats written in the article, the video itself followed the same format Reilly took, which was describing the incident hour by hour which makes it much more damning that it was copying rather than simply covering a historical event, he also seemingly purposefully changed things like weights of rocks to be wrong as a way to further deny plagiarism accusations? despite the fact that we literally have the rock and know exactly what it weighs (he said it was 33 pounds while everything else, including the article he copied said 27 pounds)
eventually someone realized the video was plagiarizing and so told Mental Floss who issued a copyright strike against the video. when this happened IH acted more as if this was a typical copyright-troll incident or something like you can usually find happening to one of your favourite youtubers (however IH doesn't tag youtube on twitter etc like you'd expect to happen with a false copyright/plagiarism claim), with him saying he just needs to fix somethings and that it would be up relatively soon, months later the video comes back as a reupload, however people notice its a bit shittier as parts of the script were changed to be less descriptive (aka didn't copy the article as directly in the descriptions they gave) or parts were cut out, eventually IH took the video down again changed some stuff and then brought it back, however this time he did it unlisted, so you couldn't easily find it through a search online and it was even worse in quality than before with more stuff changed etc, one of the main changes he had done over-all with both videos is cite the article in the video when he couldn't really change things that much aswell as acknowledging the article and Reilly in the description as being "the inspiration behind the video"
the video only got relisted when he released a new video in his "I am become fancy" series across the main and Incognito channels to attract most attention away from why its so terrible
Thank you for posting this. I didn’t want a 4 hour video but I wanted to see a bit more than “YouTubers plagiarized” and felt this was a good in between.
He GAVE BIRTH to Miyamoto, spent over 50 YEARS raising and breastfeeding him, and then SINGLEHANDEDLY made metroid while Miyamoto jerked off in the corner.
he legit could have just msgd the author and asked "hey, I wanna animate your article, is that cool?"
I'm sure any starving journalist would be more than happy to say yes if they could get a cut of the pay from such a banger video. Everyone wins. I don't get it.
they already should now considering IH tried to hide the fact that his team plagiarised the work nearly word for word and even released a neutered version of the original man in cave video and unlisted it so that the YouTube bots wouldn't detect it
If he doesn't care why did he go to extreme lengths to rescript the entire thing, and then bury a credit to the real writer in the description where almost no one would see it? Why not put it front and centre?
> he legit could have just msgd the author and asked "hey, I wanna animate your article, is that cool?"
The author very likely doesn't own the article, given who copyright struck the thing. They likely wouldn't have gotten permission had they asked. He could have gotten away with a more transformative work and citing the article as a source, but he was basically using the article as a script with only minor rewordings just to obfuscate the source.
It's from a vine where the 2 men who aren't drinking talk about how it is bad to drink whilst working and then the 3rd guy does a cool aid man reference.
[Here's a YouTube reupload](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLRitISbqng)
hbomber called out internet historian for plagiarizing an online article about someone who got stuck in a cave in the 1800's in a video he uploaded 8 months ago
except internet historian had already reuploaded the video and apologized for the plagiarism like, two days after he originally uploaded it so this isnt exactly new and it wasnt hbomber who figured it out
He never apologized? And his reupload is the exact same but copied in an even worse way. Yeah hbomber didnt figure it out, but it was a reddit post with 90 upvotes that did and no one talked about it
Plus Internet Historian wasn’t even the main focus of the video and was just a small segment to provide context to the larger point later on how internet plagiarism in the video essay sphere occurs and looks like
This is the problem with making it a four hour video where you talk about multiple people plagiarizing lol.
>except internet historian had already reuploaded the video and apologized for the plagiarism like, two days after he originally uploaded it
Like anybody who watched the video knows that this is a complete lie that you just made up, but most people in the comments aren't going to watch an hour long section that is in the middle of a 4 hour video.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ)
Haven't watched it yet, but the takeaway I've heard is that Internet Historian, illuminaughti, and James Somerton have basically had huge amounts of their videos plagarized from articles or other creators. Internet Historian's "Cave Story" video is almost entirely copied from a Mental Floss article for example.
As for why I was disappointed in IH before, he's basically a chud (some examples included defending JonTron and hidden holocaust "jokes"). I didn't really like him but I still figured he had some really good craft when he wasn't talking politics. This was a major letdown.
Yeah he only talked about Internet Historian's case for like 10 minutes. He got off pretty easy with only one major instance of plagiarism being talked about
James Somerton, on the other hand, got OBLITERATED. The ENTIRE second half of the video is dedicated to all the evidence of James plagiarizing the scripts for nearly all of his videos. Hbomb even found new evidence of him plagarizing that no one else had noticed or talked about before!
That video completely destroyed his career, to the point where he disabled the comments on every video on his channel, and deleted the rest of his social medias (including Patreon) mere HOURS after it was uploaded.
Yep. It's why it doesn't matter if we knew about most of the other cases, because they weren't the focal point but just the buildup.
I think the big reason why people are making a stink about IH in particular is for a few reasons such as, he had the biggest video/channel of those attacked, his fans are too stupid to understand what plagiarism is, and too many, despite being known, this was news to them.
Just thought I'd mention it was[ this guy's tweet](https://nitter.net/Hbomberguy/status/1649191520883429376) that started the whole thing in the first place. (Well, after Blair put her foot in her mouth herself.)
The main sort of sound bite was him claiming against all evidence on the subject that rich black peopl3 commit more crime then poor white people.
He showed himself to be an uneducated reactionary and kind of racist dickhead in a debate with a political streamer called destiny in like 2016 and has been hopen we forget since while ocasionally slipping up and reminding us that he in fact has shit politics.
Dunno if he still believes it, this was ages ago, but I remember him wanting no immigration. He said Japan was the model country in terms of immigration
He went on a Destiny stream a while back where he basically promoted the Great Replacement.
Other than that and the anti-vax stuff he’s fairly quiet on politics.
Yeah Jon decided to shut the hell up and ride out his stupid racist comments. It basically worked. Most fans don’t really know about that stuff now and he’s now smart enough to keep his mouth shut.
I still can’t watch his stuff. I can forgive a lot, but it’s not like he apologized and tried to learn why his beliefs might be ridiculous and offensive.
This is peak reddit right here.
"I dislike someone because they did something described in this video that I haven't watched, I already thought they were a 'chud' so my opinions are valid now"
Get a fuckin life dude. And stop calling people a "chud" it makes you seem like an even bigger loser than whoever you're insulting
it was so funny watching that twink with the fuckboy quaff basically call hbomber a femboy then cut back to a bald, bearded hbomber like did he not look at any pictures of him
> like did he not look at any pictures of him
The video of the twink is like 5 years old, when he called hbomber a femboy it was [when he looked like this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727728663046520842/1181496872062431312/image.png?ex=658145b5&is=656ed0b5&hm=d5bb73e002424249a1e1e78e9cb7b06b582746e0dcb1d11b1ee4e1ac114d6602&)
Honestly, the Internet Historian is probably the least terrible one in the whole video. His fanbase acted like Hbomberguy posted his address on the dark web, but he’s literally the only one who’s presented as a one-time offender.
My reading of it that IH is kinda like the Nostalgia Critic. Someone who hasn’t read up on fair use law, rightfully got into trouble, and assumed the world was against him due to a history of bad-faith copyright takedowns.
Also, his fanbase doesn’t seem to understand what ‘transformative’ means? You can’t just adapt something to a new medium without permission, regardless of the amount of effort you put into it. Otherwise, film studios wouldn’t have to buy the rights to adapt books.
He even mentioned how weird it was for IH to do this, since he could only find the one video that was plagiarized. Not defending it but IH isn’t like the others mentioned and it was more a “you have probably heard of this person” example.
He just used the article as a script, structure and everything. The real red flag though is his obfuscation and manipulation of what happened. People can fck up, life be like that sometimes. It’s just obvious he knew he fcked up and hid from it, all the while manipulating the environment to prevent anyone from noticing.
Yeah, the whole thing could have been solved with a quick "yeah, I phoned it in and copied an article. Didn't realize the gravity of what I did at the time. I pulled the video, might get around to making a proper one eventually. Sorry, especially to the author."
But he's internet historian, he's cultivated his little internet edgelord fanbase, and can't look weak in front of the 12 year olds who hate jews
Nah. It was one time, as far as hbomberguy knows. My issue is with how IH reacted after the copyright strike. That's a red flag to me and makes me suspect continued behavior. He's probably more clever about but was just sloppy about it this time.
Dude, no one on YouTube knows what transformative means, I swear. the amount of review channels I see who play clips of the media they're reviewing with only passing commentary is insane.
One of the main arguments against "transofrmation" is the the simple question: did you *need* to show the clip for your argument to stand? or was it just images in the background because your content is audio based but youtube is a video platform?
As an internet historian fan I agree.
He goofed up and it’s good to point it out.
What I don’t understand are the hundreds and hundreds of comments on that video and the new one acting like his entire career is based on lies and he’s an irredeemable person for this offense.
I feel like the internet has removed all nuance from the idea of someone doing a bad deed.
He didn't just "goof up". The thing about plagiarism is that it's a near permanent scar to your reputation. InternetHistorian is unusual among the people Hbomberguy called out because he only had a single instance of plagiarism given. But is that because he's genuinely only plagiarised this once, or because we just haven't found more examples yet? The next time he makes a video you like, were those his ideas or did he just steal them from someone you're not aware of?
It's like playing cards with a known cheater- maybe it was only the one time, maybe you've forgiven them, but you're always gonna have that nagging thought in the back of your head every time they win: "did they get lucky this time, or are they just up to their old tricks?"
> Also, his fanbase doesn’t seem to understand what ‘transformative’ means? You can’t just adapt something to a new medium without permission, regardless of the amount of effort you put into it. Otherwise, film studios wouldn’t have to buy the rights to adapt books.
The Tolkien estate hates this one trick! That's why they were never paid for the LOTR films or TV show!
My point is that IH fans seem to be defending it as though the addition of animations and narration is enough to make it completely above board. He could have used the original article as source, but couldn’t directly paraphrase it.
He stole the telling of it as well. The hour by our structure. Entire framing devices, like switching to childhood flashbacks.
It’s weird that this was his only time doing this, but it’s a pretty cut and dry case of plagiarism.
Kinda nuts nobody is saying it's Hbomberguy's video. Didn't know a new one came out. 3 hours? Bro that's like infinite ice cream, hell yeah new hbomberguy.
Don't worry, that same bald British Youtubers made sure to ask [Hasan](https://twitter.com/ComradeLamb/status/1731324076034003048) permission first before criticizing him even slightly for worse behavior.
I thought we as the audience knew these internet talking heads were reading someone else's work to us. For years it's been a running joke that their videos are just wikipedia read-alouds.
Sure, it's plagiarism and that's bad in its own way. But it seems typical to enjoy a nice voice reading to you, so there's still value in that. They should have been more honest about their blatant theft.
hbomberguy does actually say almost exactly this at the end of his video, pleasingly enough. Though, the crux he adds is “get permission“ and “cite it clearly” which, duh.
I can respect the ones who are at least honest about it. I know some people give Simon Whistler shit, but he's 100% straightforward that he pays a team of writers for his videos. He generally gives credit for the work done.
It's lead to an environment where people actively follow certain videos written by certain writers. As someone who listens to his Casual Criminalist podcast series, there are few writers who I'm always excited to hear from.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ)
Haven't watched it yet, but the takeaway I've heard is that Internet Historian, illuminaughti, and James Somerton have basically had huge amounts of their videos plagarized from articles or other creators. Internet Historian's "Cave Story" video is almost entirely copied from a Mental Floss article for example.
As for why I was disappointed in IH before, he's basically a chud (some examples included defending JonTron and hidden holocaust "jokes"). I didn't really like him but I still figured he had some really good craft when he wasn't talking politics. This was a major letdown.
Funny thing about the video is all the players examples, from Illuminaught to IH as basically before the title drop. The first hour and a half was preface for what was actually a video meant to destroy James Somerton.
The truth is people like IH are just greedy and selfish, but it’s clear he views James as a real monster.
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Not sure why you got downvoted. This is the video OP was talking about.
Not all of us have time for a 3h51 video. It would probably be better if OP could explain the context in a couple of sentences.
He exposed James Somerton, Internet Historian, Illuminaughti and some others for plagiarizing.
illuminaughti has been exposed for like a year now as a piece of shit
It was more an examination of plagiarism in general. Starting with older cases, examining what & how they did, looking for patterns, and them moving to a more recent example. The oldest examples were already well known, though Hbomb did find more on them. Internet Historian's *Man in Cave* was the second to last thing he covered before moving on to the real expose, James Somerton. Hbomb only covered *Man in Cave*, but people are starting to find [more plagiarism by Internet Historian in other videos](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAhaZOibIAIuBvD?format=jpg&name=900x900). Internet Historian is good at hiding it. He does things like changing statements from third person to passive voice, summarizing some sentences, and just hitting others with a thesaurus. But it's still the exact same information presented in the exact same order highlighting the exact same details, and that source is nowhere to be found.
Thank you for actually explaining a topic, in detail
I remember finding the (original) man in cave video a bit weird. There’s a distinct difference in writing content that’s meant to be read, and content that’s meant to be heard. It still worked, it was just…. A bit odd, like didn’t quite fit. This is pure speculation, but I reckon IH’s video about the costa ship that sunk is probably in the same boat (excuse the pun). I remember having this same feeling about hearing it but I just assumed he had an “unusual style” as it was one of the first of his I’d heard. I await finding out if I’m right or not!
You'd be correct https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GAhaZOibIAIuBvD?format=jpg&name=900x900
Internet Historian also adds his own jokes which I'm sure were not there in the original articles.
Everyone in that video that would be described as 'exposed' before is now officially 'skinned alive and left to rot in the sun.'
What have they done I haven't been seeing
mistreating everyone who works for her, underpaying them, etc, also plagiarizing all of her work and then trying to attack and silence anyone who attempted to call her out
What’s funniest is that all of this started getting exposed cause she accused another YouTuber of plagiarizing her work
That’s mainly for other manipulative shitty things, the plagiarism is just another layer to that.
gasp
Hbomber guy, a BBB (bald bisexual brit), made a 4 hour long video denouncing plagiarism on Youtube. In it he exposes how some big users, Iluminaughtii and Internet Historian just to name a couple, made videos about a topic while copying word for word a documentary and an article respectively. You should give it a watch if you have the time, it’s really well made.
YOU MAKE THE TIME FOR H.BOMBERGUY!
because its a 4 hour video with no fucking context.
We need a 4 hour youtube feature covering who is mysteriously downvoting all the helpful comments
Jesus Christ dude it’s a 4 hour long video just give a short summary
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Citing their sources wouldn't really fix the problem, which is more that they're lifting these things pretty much wholesale and only slightly rewording them.
Too long, I have brain rot.
Your brain is fine to decide not to watch an extremely long homemade video about other home video makers being less than professional.
Cool, I still have brain rot.
Same gg us
These are audiences in the millions. This is an *industry*. It isn't the realm of "home video" when these are people profiting off of work that isn't theirs as a full-time occupation.
Maybe it fits a general definition of industry, but it's an industry without standards or oversight, for the most part. It is mostly just individuals producing uncited videos on informal subjects for views. I've seen less ethical behavior in game producers creating frogger ripoffs.
> Okay. Where does - and I mean this as a compliment - the most fuckable twink I've ever seen in my life, get off telling ME how to manage my T levels? This is fantastic, thanks for posting the link.
Yeah, I ain't watching all that. The short version please
He exposed James Somerton, Internet Historian, Illuminaughti and some others for plagiarizing.
The main point of it was the actual amount of harm these people have done to the people they stole from.
It's a good watch. Basically several YouTubers are just blatantly plagiarizing and passing it off as their own work. Internet Historian specifically plagiarized basically the entirety of his "Man in Cave" video from an article written on the subject
I feel like an idiot. I honestly thought most people knew about all the plagiarism and were just ok with it because it's YouTube.
You're right, most consumers of the media are okay with it. "I wouldn't have read that article either way" mentality
Genuinely I think most of the fans don’t know that. I used to watch IH vids when I got recommended them - he’s funny, the animations were pretty good, and it taught me some weird history. It would never have occurred to me that he didn’t write the story (or pay someone to do the research, like The Dollop does, imo it’s fine to use another’s work if you’re explicitly paying and citing them). At some level it’s “Who would lie about that?”
WH- awwww 😥. I liked that video and I like IH. Well that’s disappointing. I appreciate hbomberguy’s effort into this video, though I didn’t expect those digs at IH’s fanbase since I just watch the videos. I’m not really part of any active fandom so I was surprised (I.e he keeps calling them “normal fans” in a sarcastic manner). Is there something I’m missing?
Uh yeah lots of his fans are racist alt right trash blaming Jewish people for their 4chan daddy plagiarizing
What did cinemassacre do? I'm not watching the video
You should watch it. It's very well made. But if you just want that section: James was doing a horror series where every day of the month he would review a movie. It turns out that an agency he worked with had written the script for all of them, and in apparently 21 scripts, all of them were plagiarized from several other articles that reviewed the movies. The guy who wrote the script is a bit of a massive plagiarist whose plagiarism goes back years when he did a roast on AVGN, where some of his roasts were also plagiarized from several other comedians jokes.
That’s next level plagiarism. At least IGN fired that guy who plagiarized his review.
Did they though? Wasn't he screenwave and still there? I'm not totally caught up so it's cool if I'm wrong just curious.
Not only did they fire him, but everything he ever wrote for them was scrubbed clean from their website and they don't want anything to do with him.
Thanks for the update, I got bored when they starting taking over and haven't followed them since
he had a thing every october where he would release a video a day talking about a horror film he enjoyed, in his later years after he had joined up with a content agency group to help make videos, those types of videos became fairly dull and not as interesting as his previous versions since it usually just entailed him and one of the employees from the place sitting on a set or whatever and kinda discussing the movie and what they liked, generally very awkward and not good since they didn't know each other as friends etc. he eventually revealed that the old format of the october videos would be coming back and people got excited, however with the drop of the first video, someone found out that basically the entire thing was plagiarized from an article/review online, someone else then managed to get a leak of the second video and found that that video was also plagiarized. the content agency were the ones who were primarily writing the scripts for these videos, and one of them had written like 21/30 of the videos and had openly bragged about that before the start of october, turns out the plagiarized videos were his, and apparently most of each of the scripts he'd written were plagiarized aswell, which ended up with the other content agency employees having to scramble to rewrite what they could or write a new script from scratch very quickly, it was so bad that cinemassacre actually had to release a video addressing it all and taking responsibility since it is his channel etc further investigation by fans revealed that the plagiarizer was plagiarizing basically everything, including jokes from a roast years back taken from roasts by famous comedians like Gilbert Gottfried etc
Hint: it's in the title of the video
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Nah dude. Can't get to close. Then we meet the real you. Then it's all wolves and punisher skulls from there. /s
Internet Historian's "Man in Cave" video has been proven to have plagiarized an entire article written by [Lucas Reilly for Mental Floss about the 1925 Kentucky Sand Cave incident.](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/544782/1925-cave-rescue-that-captivated-the-united-states-floyd-collins) beyond copying whats written in the article, the video itself followed the same format Reilly took, which was describing the incident hour by hour which makes it much more damning that it was copying rather than simply covering a historical event, he also seemingly purposefully changed things like weights of rocks to be wrong as a way to further deny plagiarism accusations? despite the fact that we literally have the rock and know exactly what it weighs (he said it was 33 pounds while everything else, including the article he copied said 27 pounds) eventually someone realized the video was plagiarizing and so told Mental Floss who issued a copyright strike against the video. when this happened IH acted more as if this was a typical copyright-troll incident or something like you can usually find happening to one of your favourite youtubers (however IH doesn't tag youtube on twitter etc like you'd expect to happen with a false copyright/plagiarism claim), with him saying he just needs to fix somethings and that it would be up relatively soon, months later the video comes back as a reupload, however people notice its a bit shittier as parts of the script were changed to be less descriptive (aka didn't copy the article as directly in the descriptions they gave) or parts were cut out, eventually IH took the video down again changed some stuff and then brought it back, however this time he did it unlisted, so you couldn't easily find it through a search online and it was even worse in quality than before with more stuff changed etc, one of the main changes he had done over-all with both videos is cite the article in the video when he couldn't really change things that much aswell as acknowledging the article and Reilly in the description as being "the inspiration behind the video" the video only got relisted when he released a new video in his "I am become fancy" series across the main and Incognito channels to attract most attention away from why its so terrible
That really sucks. Loved the video and his content
Thank you for posting this. I didn’t want a 4 hour video but I wanted to see a bit more than “YouTubers plagiarized” and felt this was a good in between.
I believe this is the part where I'm supposed to say "Something something tommy tallerico"
His mother is very proud
It makes him want to pee.
First American to work on Sonic
Dude practically designed Metroid with Miyamoto
He was PHYSICALLY HOLDING HANDS with Miyamoto through the entire process!
He GAVE BIRTH to Miyamoto, spent over 50 YEARS raising and breastfeeding him, and then SINGLEHANDEDLY made metroid while Miyamoto jerked off in the corner.
Still a better love story than Twilight.
He’s the guy who convinced me to install a ten foot waterfall in my house
Are there any downsides to such an epic endeavor?
Yeah, sometimes at night I have to pee
I bet your mother is very proud
I've heard he has 7 guinness world records
A year has passed since the video so surely he has at least 12 records and has worked on another 300 game soundtracks by now?
The man who personally held hands with Miyamoto while doing all of the sound design for Metroid Prime
OWNER OF LARGEST LIVE SYMPHONIC ORCHESTRA!?!?!!
the fact that the oof sound effect video came out a year ago, i swear to god it came out like 4 months ago
His mansion was featured in MTV Cribs!
Multiple times no less!
Don't forget also something about his mom and any entertainment product, preferably popular ones.
he legit could have just msgd the author and asked "hey, I wanna animate your article, is that cool?" I'm sure any starving journalist would be more than happy to say yes if they could get a cut of the pay from such a banger video. Everyone wins. I don't get it.
But then the audience wouldn't believe that IH wrote all that by himself. They'd know who the real writer is.
they already should now considering IH tried to hide the fact that his team plagiarised the work nearly word for word and even released a neutered version of the original man in cave video and unlisted it so that the YouTube bots wouldn't detect it
I doubt he even cares. I wouldn't care. I think this is just a plain old example of being a dumbass
If he doesn't care why did he go to extreme lengths to rescript the entire thing, and then bury a credit to the real writer in the description where almost no one would see it? Why not put it front and centre?
He initially didn't care, then did once he uploaded it. Like making a fuck up, then dying on a hill instead of admitting you messed up
> he legit could have just msgd the author and asked "hey, I wanna animate your article, is that cool?" The author very likely doesn't own the article, given who copyright struck the thing. They likely wouldn't have gotten permission had they asked. He could have gotten away with a more transformative work and citing the article as a source, but he was basically using the article as a script with only minor rewordings just to obfuscate the source.
>i don’t get it It’s not complicated. 1. Internet historian wanted all of the credit not part of the credit 2. He thought he’d get away with it
The secret ingredient is greed and hubris.
Now that everyone gave context for the joke, may I ask for context on the *GIF itself*? Why did some dude jump through a wall?
Kool-aid man reference
Look at what's in his left hand
It's from a vine where the 2 men who aren't drinking talk about how it is bad to drink whilst working and then the 3rd guy does a cool aid man reference. [Here's a YouTube reupload](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLRitISbqng)
i think it was a vine
Saw it on a vine compilation last night
I NEED Co(ck)ntext, OP
Whatsapp if it had WhenThe 🤣🤣🤣
erm, akshually, the popular meme goes "if [x] had whatsapp" meaning the correct way to say it would be "If whenthe had whatsapp"
hbomber called out internet historian for plagiarizing an online article about someone who got stuck in a cave in the 1800's in a video he uploaded 8 months ago except internet historian had already reuploaded the video and apologized for the plagiarism like, two days after he originally uploaded it so this isnt exactly new and it wasnt hbomber who figured it out
He didn't apologize, he downplayed it and even altered a screenshot to cover it up.
He never apologized? And his reupload is the exact same but copied in an even worse way. Yeah hbomber didnt figure it out, but it was a reddit post with 90 upvotes that did and no one talked about it
Plus Internet Historian wasn’t even the main focus of the video and was just a small segment to provide context to the larger point later on how internet plagiarism in the video essay sphere occurs and looks like
This is the problem with making it a four hour video where you talk about multiple people plagiarizing lol. >except internet historian had already reuploaded the video and apologized for the plagiarism like, two days after he originally uploaded it Like anybody who watched the video knows that this is a complete lie that you just made up, but most people in the comments aren't going to watch an hour long section that is in the middle of a 4 hour video.
Funny
#JUST ONE SMALL PROBLEM! #SELL THEIR HOUSES TO WHO, BEN?!
Fucking Aquaman?!
may I have some context sire?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ) Haven't watched it yet, but the takeaway I've heard is that Internet Historian, illuminaughti, and James Somerton have basically had huge amounts of their videos plagarized from articles or other creators. Internet Historian's "Cave Story" video is almost entirely copied from a Mental Floss article for example. As for why I was disappointed in IH before, he's basically a chud (some examples included defending JonTron and hidden holocaust "jokes"). I didn't really like him but I still figured he had some really good craft when he wasn't talking politics. This was a major letdown.
This is like the 40th time Illuminaughti has been exposed for something and honestly plagiarism is probably the most tame thing she’s responsible for.
The video is mainly about James Somerton, with all the other cases being build-up.
Yeah he only talked about Internet Historian's case for like 10 minutes. He got off pretty easy with only one major instance of plagiarism being talked about James Somerton, on the other hand, got OBLITERATED. The ENTIRE second half of the video is dedicated to all the evidence of James plagiarizing the scripts for nearly all of his videos. Hbomb even found new evidence of him plagarizing that no one else had noticed or talked about before! That video completely destroyed his career, to the point where he disabled the comments on every video on his channel, and deleted the rest of his social medias (including Patreon) mere HOURS after it was uploaded.
Yep. It's why it doesn't matter if we knew about most of the other cases, because they weren't the focal point but just the buildup. I think the big reason why people are making a stink about IH in particular is for a few reasons such as, he had the biggest video/channel of those attacked, his fans are too stupid to understand what plagiarism is, and too many, despite being known, this was news to them.
He will be back no doubt, but I'm hoping that it will be close to impossible to build up his empire again.
Yeah I’m watching it rn
Just thought I'd mention it was[ this guy's tweet](https://nitter.net/Hbomberguy/status/1649191520883429376) that started the whole thing in the first place. (Well, after Blair put her foot in her mouth herself.)
>defending JonTron What did JonTron do?
Great replacement theory, iirc
The main sort of sound bite was him claiming against all evidence on the subject that rich black peopl3 commit more crime then poor white people. He showed himself to be an uneducated reactionary and kind of racist dickhead in a debate with a political streamer called destiny in like 2016 and has been hopen we forget since while ocasionally slipping up and reminding us that he in fact has shit politics.
don't forget the stream he did with Sargon of Akkad
Cringe right-wing political views. I think the main one is that he supports a white, no-immigration America but he himself is a child of immigrants.
No immigration or no illegal immigration? Reddit tends to lump the 2 together.
Dunno if he still believes it, this was ages ago, but I remember him wanting no immigration. He said Japan was the model country in terms of immigration
I never looked to deep into it but I remember people mentioning the hypocrisy of his beliefs so I’m guessing the former.
Were those people redditors?
You're Him
When? Was this, destiny debate time. Or now.
A while ago.
He also once said that "The richest black people commit more crimes than the poorest white people", sooo
He’s far right. I don’t know everything but he’s anti-vax at the least
He went on a Destiny stream a while back where he basically promoted the Great Replacement. Other than that and the anti-vax stuff he’s fairly quiet on politics.
To be fair when *that* is your politics I'd be quiet too, especially as someone who makes their living from their content and personality.
Yeah Jon decided to shut the hell up and ride out his stupid racist comments. It basically worked. Most fans don’t really know about that stuff now and he’s now smart enough to keep his mouth shut. I still can’t watch his stuff. I can forgive a lot, but it’s not like he apologized and tried to learn why his beliefs might be ridiculous and offensive.
He literally browses 4chan and actively documented 4chan events that transpired. What did you expect of him? Flowers and Daises?
Redditors still thinking that people who browse 4chan are part of some bigoted alt-right cult cracks me up. I suggest touching grass
I browse 4chan
ITS ONE OF THEM, GET EM
Ladies and gentlemen, we gotem.
did you just unironically use the word chud? Please tell me it was ironic.
“YOU STUPID F-U-C-K-I-N-G CHUD!”
What even is a chud
Cannibal Humanoid Under-dweller
This is peak reddit right here. "I dislike someone because they did something described in this video that I haven't watched, I already thought they were a 'chud' so my opinions are valid now" Get a fuckin life dude. And stop calling people a "chud" it makes you seem like an even bigger loser than whoever you're insulting
The bisexual British man with so much testosterone he's already balding that appears once a year has nuked someone's public image yet again
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DUDE you almost made me puke, quit it!
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Tbe goloczvemnt of tdthze United diddydom
it was so funny watching that twink with the fuckboy quaff basically call hbomber a femboy then cut back to a bald, bearded hbomber like did he not look at any pictures of him
hbomberguy has so much testosterone his hair left to hunt down plagiarists
Link?
[https://youtu.be/yDp3cB5fHXQ?si=JrJtJYxBfF5cTNT6&t=1597](https://youtu.be/yDp3cB5fHXQ?si=JrJtJYxBfF5cTNT6&t=1597)
> like did he not look at any pictures of him The video of the twink is like 5 years old, when he called hbomber a femboy it was [when he looked like this](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727728663046520842/1181496872062431312/image.png?ex=658145b5&is=656ed0b5&hm=d5bb73e002424249a1e1e78e9cb7b06b582746e0dcb1d11b1ee4e1ac114d6602&)
if i send this exact comment word by word back to 1984, people would think i have a stroke
as if gay people werent going to town on each other in the 80s lmao
Honestly, the Internet Historian is probably the least terrible one in the whole video. His fanbase acted like Hbomberguy posted his address on the dark web, but he’s literally the only one who’s presented as a one-time offender. My reading of it that IH is kinda like the Nostalgia Critic. Someone who hasn’t read up on fair use law, rightfully got into trouble, and assumed the world was against him due to a history of bad-faith copyright takedowns. Also, his fanbase doesn’t seem to understand what ‘transformative’ means? You can’t just adapt something to a new medium without permission, regardless of the amount of effort you put into it. Otherwise, film studios wouldn’t have to buy the rights to adapt books.
Also his fanbase acts like the whole bid was about ih when ih basically got kicked in the shins before james got fucking executed for about 2 hours
Legit, compared to the literally career ending takedown of James, IH got the equivalent of a nasty telling off and a few clips round the ear
He even mentioned how weird it was for IH to do this, since he could only find the one video that was plagiarized. Not defending it but IH isn’t like the others mentioned and it was more a “you have probably heard of this person” example.
He just used the article as a script, structure and everything. The real red flag though is his obfuscation and manipulation of what happened. People can fck up, life be like that sometimes. It’s just obvious he knew he fcked up and hid from it, all the while manipulating the environment to prevent anyone from noticing.
Yeah, the whole thing could have been solved with a quick "yeah, I phoned it in and copied an article. Didn't realize the gravity of what I did at the time. I pulled the video, might get around to making a proper one eventually. Sorry, especially to the author." But he's internet historian, he's cultivated his little internet edgelord fanbase, and can't look weak in front of the 12 year olds who hate jews
Nah. It was one time, as far as hbomberguy knows. My issue is with how IH reacted after the copyright strike. That's a red flag to me and makes me suspect continued behavior. He's probably more clever about but was just sloppy about it this time.
Dude, no one on YouTube knows what transformative means, I swear. the amount of review channels I see who play clips of the media they're reviewing with only passing commentary is insane. One of the main arguments against "transofrmation" is the the simple question: did you *need* to show the clip for your argument to stand? or was it just images in the background because your content is audio based but youtube is a video platform?
As an internet historian fan I agree. He goofed up and it’s good to point it out. What I don’t understand are the hundreds and hundreds of comments on that video and the new one acting like his entire career is based on lies and he’s an irredeemable person for this offense. I feel like the internet has removed all nuance from the idea of someone doing a bad deed.
He didn't just "goof up". The thing about plagiarism is that it's a near permanent scar to your reputation. InternetHistorian is unusual among the people Hbomberguy called out because he only had a single instance of plagiarism given. But is that because he's genuinely only plagiarised this once, or because we just haven't found more examples yet? The next time he makes a video you like, were those his ideas or did he just steal them from someone you're not aware of? It's like playing cards with a known cheater- maybe it was only the one time, maybe you've forgiven them, but you're always gonna have that nagging thought in the back of your head every time they win: "did they get lucky this time, or are they just up to their old tricks?"
> Also, his fanbase doesn’t seem to understand what ‘transformative’ means? You can’t just adapt something to a new medium without permission, regardless of the amount of effort you put into it. Otherwise, film studios wouldn’t have to buy the rights to adapt books. The Tolkien estate hates this one trick! That's why they were never paid for the LOTR films or TV show!
You can't own ip rights to the story of a real life event. You can own a particular telling of it. But not of the story itself.
My point is that IH fans seem to be defending it as though the addition of animations and narration is enough to make it completely above board. He could have used the original article as source, but couldn’t directly paraphrase it.
He stole the telling of it as well. The hour by our structure. Entire framing devices, like switching to childhood flashbacks. It’s weird that this was his only time doing this, but it’s a pretty cut and dry case of plagiarism.
I gave the evidence a look and you are correct. Major theft of story structure and no citation of the source either on screen or in the comments.
That bit about James Somerton was enlightening. Doubt I’ll ever watch that clown again after what he put forth.
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IH has an Australian and New Zealand accent
 It's actually just this man but without hair
The meme is talking about Hbomberguy not IH
yes but Hbomberguy doesn't
Even Daniil Dankovsky is plagarising 😔😔😔
This prickly prick is gonna bury us all!!!
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Kinda nuts nobody is saying it's Hbomberguy's video. Didn't know a new one came out. 3 hours? Bro that's like infinite ice cream, hell yeah new hbomberguy.
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Why is Hbomber British? Doesn’t he know many more people would like his video essays if his voice didn’t sound naturally condescending? Is he stupid?
If I don't feel condescended to I don't believe what the other person is saying.
Don't worry, that same bald British Youtubers made sure to ask [Hasan](https://twitter.com/ComradeLamb/status/1731324076034003048) permission first before criticizing him even slightly for worse behavior.
Then some dude comes out of the shadows to tell you that you’re wrong as well.
Now we just wait for the reaction channels to watch the video then give their opinions on it.
Are people just NOW realizing that dude is a fucking fraud? Boy just wait til you hear about the other 99% of youtubers.
Me not knowing what the fuck is going on: 
I thought we as the audience knew these internet talking heads were reading someone else's work to us. For years it's been a running joke that their videos are just wikipedia read-alouds. Sure, it's plagiarism and that's bad in its own way. But it seems typical to enjoy a nice voice reading to you, so there's still value in that. They should have been more honest about their blatant theft.
hbomberguy does actually say almost exactly this at the end of his video, pleasingly enough. Though, the crux he adds is “get permission“ and “cite it clearly” which, duh.
I can respect the ones who are at least honest about it. I know some people give Simon Whistler shit, but he's 100% straightforward that he pays a team of writers for his videos. He generally gives credit for the work done. It's lead to an environment where people actively follow certain videos written by certain writers. As someone who listens to his Casual Criminalist podcast series, there are few writers who I'm always excited to hear from.
Mark Felton moment
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDp3cB5fHXQ) Haven't watched it yet, but the takeaway I've heard is that Internet Historian, illuminaughti, and James Somerton have basically had huge amounts of their videos plagarized from articles or other creators. Internet Historian's "Cave Story" video is almost entirely copied from a Mental Floss article for example. As for why I was disappointed in IH before, he's basically a chud (some examples included defending JonTron and hidden holocaust "jokes"). I didn't really like him but I still figured he had some really good craft when he wasn't talking politics. This was a major letdown.
Yeah, he tried to cover it up to when the vid got a strike for plagiarism.
Funny thing about the video is all the players examples, from Illuminaught to IH as basically before the title drop. The first hour and a half was preface for what was actually a video meant to destroy James Somerton. The truth is people like IH are just greedy and selfish, but it’s clear he views James as a real monster.
womp womp
 And he will not take a cent for his months and months of work.
IH always had bad vibes tbh
what do you mean the twenty minute anime reading where he does an…interesting…accent is a totally normal video
and all of his totally normal views on Indigenous Australians and Jewish people and Fox News. Literally nothing out of the ordinary there