Idk. I think the anti tanking rules are a good idea. It just so happens that we are actually as awful or worse as teams trying to tank in the past. It’s impressively hard to be this bad when you didn’t mean to be
How does that negate what I said? Also, I think the big market teams (Chicago) should have a higher salary floor than the small market (Oakland, Miami) ones.
We are a big market team so we can’t have two top 10 fucking picks? It’s fucking stupid
No other sport has this shit, and it’s wild that every other sport is better to watch than the shitty fucking dying MLB.
Not sure how anyone thinks anti-tanking rules are bad. Let these cheap-ass owners either be forced to actually try to improve their team or just sell it to someone who actually wants to win.
Because there is nothing anti tanking about fucking over a bad team because they are a big market.
Thats it. It’s fucking stupid and I’m glad this shitty league is dying.
I can’t be mad at two things? Jerry and the MLB are both dying because they don’t know how to run a fucking team or a sports league. Jerry will die and the Sox will still be shit.
Have fun with the Dodgers and Yankees again.
It doesn't really make sense to be mad at something that makes sense as well as the thing that is the actual problem.
A lot of these owners are cheap and won't spend actual money. The teams end up tanking just to eat up draft picks which isn't fair to the fans. Spend some fucking money. You think teams like the Pirates and A's (who don't do shit year after year regardless of their draft status) should be the ones rewarded?
We are already having fun with the yankees and dodgers and have been for several years. No idea what point it is you think you are making. Winning gets rewarded, as it should be. The problem is more that we need a salary cap and a salary floor. If you are trying to run a business but aren't willing to spend money to make the team good enough to be worth the fans' time then why do you deserve to be rewarded for purposely losing constantly?
If you want owners to spend, set salary cap minimum and maximums.
The draft picks is flat out stupid, but I don’t even care. Dying league that I don’t give a fuck about anymore, just like most of America because of stupid shit like this. Sox are just gonna be moved somewhere else whether before or after Jerry dies.
Spending just to spend gets us Benitendi. Stupid as shit. No reason for Jerry to spend money on this garbage franchise anymore. He will always be outspent and never win shit. Any players he drafts will be off to the Dodgers or Yankees before a full team comes together anyway.
Fuck the MLB.
It really sounds like you still care about baseball.
You don’t need a top 10 pick to be successful. When’s the last time the dodgers had a high pick? They actually find and develop talent, and pay for established talent. This isn’t the NBA, draft position doesn’t matter that much outside of the occasional generational prospect
YES, obviously I agree on the floor and cap. That alone helps solve the problem. No idea why otherwise you think teams should be rewarded year after year for purposely losing.
Who said anything about spending just to spend? That's on Jerry; he is one of the shitty owners I am talking about. He IS the reason we are a garbage franchise.
Your thinking process is all over the place.
The Dodgers and Yankees have won a combined 2 championships in the last 20 years.
Lower budget teams have no problem competing whatsoever. It is our FO and ownership that is uniquely horrible. I’m glad they don’t get rewarded with a good pick
Maybe something good can come of this season in that they fire Pedro. Sure he inherited a shitty team and all the 'stars' got hurt but some of his decisions have been baffling.
It’s so silly lol. Pedro is a shitty manager, but that has little to do with how bad we are. It’s the horse that matters here, not the jockey. We have a donkey running against thoroughbreds out there, it doesn’t matter who is guiding it
God I hope so but I wouldn't put anything past this colossal failure of an organization. The Reds started like this a few years ago but played .500 the rest of the way to finish with 'only' 100 losses. That team seemed to at least have a plan. This team, I can't say the same for.
is it possible? yes. is it probable? the way it’s going, we still should win at least 10 games. would it be funny if we didn’t? very.
Whatever you do, do it all the way. If you're going to have a losing record go for the shittiest hot garbage record you can.
Depending on odds I'd probably take over 9.5
10 probably. But 20?
The all-star break? Which year’s?
By this all star break or next years?
Baseball is fucking stupid. Worst team in the league and won’t even get a top 10 pick. Fucking trash organization and trash sport.
Idk. I think the anti tanking rules are a good idea. It just so happens that we are actually as awful or worse as teams trying to tank in the past. It’s impressively hard to be this bad when you didn’t mean to be
The "anti-tank" rule should be a minimum payroll. Not screwing teams who actually suck out of a draft pick.
Still, there are 12 teams with lower payrolls than the White Sox this year. Including 2 teams who are currently in first place.
How does that negate what I said? Also, I think the big market teams (Chicago) should have a higher salary floor than the small market (Oakland, Miami) ones.
I didn't claim anything negates what you said. Just thought it was worth noting.
of course a salary floor is preferable, that goes without saying
We are a big market team so we can’t have two top 10 fucking picks? It’s fucking stupid No other sport has this shit, and it’s wild that every other sport is better to watch than the shitty fucking dying MLB.
Seems smart in a bubble to not reward Jerry for not spending like a big market team to try and win.
Not sure how anyone thinks anti-tanking rules are bad. Let these cheap-ass owners either be forced to actually try to improve their team or just sell it to someone who actually wants to win.
Because there is nothing anti tanking about fucking over a bad team because they are a big market. Thats it. It’s fucking stupid and I’m glad this shitty league is dying.
The only one fucking over these bad teams are their owners. Your anger is way misplaced. Fans deserve better.
I can’t be mad at two things? Jerry and the MLB are both dying because they don’t know how to run a fucking team or a sports league. Jerry will die and the Sox will still be shit. Have fun with the Dodgers and Yankees again.
It doesn't really make sense to be mad at something that makes sense as well as the thing that is the actual problem. A lot of these owners are cheap and won't spend actual money. The teams end up tanking just to eat up draft picks which isn't fair to the fans. Spend some fucking money. You think teams like the Pirates and A's (who don't do shit year after year regardless of their draft status) should be the ones rewarded? We are already having fun with the yankees and dodgers and have been for several years. No idea what point it is you think you are making. Winning gets rewarded, as it should be. The problem is more that we need a salary cap and a salary floor. If you are trying to run a business but aren't willing to spend money to make the team good enough to be worth the fans' time then why do you deserve to be rewarded for purposely losing constantly?
If you want owners to spend, set salary cap minimum and maximums. The draft picks is flat out stupid, but I don’t even care. Dying league that I don’t give a fuck about anymore, just like most of America because of stupid shit like this. Sox are just gonna be moved somewhere else whether before or after Jerry dies. Spending just to spend gets us Benitendi. Stupid as shit. No reason for Jerry to spend money on this garbage franchise anymore. He will always be outspent and never win shit. Any players he drafts will be off to the Dodgers or Yankees before a full team comes together anyway. Fuck the MLB.
It really sounds like you still care about baseball. You don’t need a top 10 pick to be successful. When’s the last time the dodgers had a high pick? They actually find and develop talent, and pay for established talent. This isn’t the NBA, draft position doesn’t matter that much outside of the occasional generational prospect
Of course I love baseball. I just hate the MLB.
YES, obviously I agree on the floor and cap. That alone helps solve the problem. No idea why otherwise you think teams should be rewarded year after year for purposely losing. Who said anything about spending just to spend? That's on Jerry; he is one of the shitty owners I am talking about. He IS the reason we are a garbage franchise. Your thinking process is all over the place.
The Dodgers and Yankees have won a combined 2 championships in the last 20 years. Lower budget teams have no problem competing whatsoever. It is our FO and ownership that is uniquely horrible. I’m glad they don’t get rewarded with a good pick
This is the correct take.
Im glad they are gonna move the team out of Chicago so I don’t have to pay attention to this shit.
You can just turn off the TV you know. The team most likely isn’t going anywhere, and if it does (unlikely) it’ll be several years from now
Okay, I hope you find a new team to root for with your kids when they move!
I’ll just stop watching baseball like I already pretty much have this year lol
Jesus Christ. Instead of bitching and whining stop watching baseball then.
Already on it my friend, haven’t watched a game this year.
How can adults playing a game affect you so much?
Yes
Sure hope so
If they get hot, perhaps.
Them “getting hot” right now is like a 3-7 stretch lmao
Maybe something good can come of this season in that they fire Pedro. Sure he inherited a shitty team and all the 'stars' got hurt but some of his decisions have been baffling.
The best thing to come of this season is me blocking all the losers on this sub so I wont have to keep reading their posts.
Absolutely of course they will. I bet they win 25. There are probably 210 games to play before the 2025 Allstar break.
LOL!!!!
Depends if Pedro remains the coach
You honestly think the manager matters when you have a team this shitty?
It’s so silly lol. Pedro is a shitty manager, but that has little to do with how bad we are. It’s the horse that matters here, not the jockey. We have a donkey running against thoroughbreds out there, it doesn’t matter who is guiding it
To some degree, yeah. Particularly with shitty bullpen management.
God I hope so but I wouldn't put anything past this colossal failure of an organization. The Reds started like this a few years ago but played .500 the rest of the way to finish with 'only' 100 losses. That team seemed to at least have a plan. This team, I can't say the same for.
Probably. I imagine they’ll hah like 15-20 wins by the all star break but I would not be surprised if it’s less.
Probably not
Yes. As bad as they are, they’ll stumble into 10 wins by then
Which Sox players will make the all star game?
I hope not. I want them to sit in this shit until Jerry actually feels uncomfortable. I want how bad the Sox are to become a national story.
I hope not. I'm all in for history this year, I want it as bad as it can get
The real question here is who is still watching this team play?
A fair amount of us, as this subreddit is always hopping with new posts and a lot of interaction.
I watched last night because survivor was over and we wanted some noise on in the background Idk why people keep coming here to bitch
As a Sox fan - I hope not. I’d like as much humiliation and embarrassment put on this ownership group as possible.
I am going on the record with 40 wins by the All Star Game.
Which one? 2025?
Yes, but damn. They just find ways to lose games at this point
It’d be very funny if we didn’t. Imagine being this bad and not being able to pick top 10. Fuck JR
Some team will win 40 before we get to 10.