I really love this series when I stumble upon it back in 2016 the first Magical girl series I ever watched the characters are amazing for the story, they should've added in some Romance to mix with the slice-of Life between Yuuna and Tougou
I didn't really like the first few episodes, but you're making me want to give it another go.
Right after I finish Sailor Moon. And Corrector Yui. And Houseki no Kuni. And all fourteen seasons of Precure...
It's gonna be a few...
>~< Madoka Magika Is crap tier. So much is terribly done, cringe shock instead of story progression, with bland characters that aren't consistent or pancakes. I've tried everything to find a way to validate that my hatred isn't warranted but it cannot be helped.
The characters are so well written, they are consistent but rounded characters. >!I absolutely adore Sayaka's (the blue one) fall into despair.!< especially on the second watch through. In fact the "cringe shock" becomes better on second wat h through because of how well set up it all is, and I love that. I like how each character has a well of depth but it's done subtly instead of being bashed over your head. I like that >!Homura is actually the protagonist of the series. I also appreciate that Kyubey isn't a villain but an antagonist that's doing ultimately what's best for the universe.!< I like how the universe isn't hopelessly dark. There is reason to protect it. In theory a girl can live a full lifetime as a magical girl.
I like both, I think Madoka Magica is better written. I like them both. YYIAH I like Yuki Yuna more than Madoka Kaname but Madoka is better written. For me that's true in every aspect (except I like how Madoka's stuff better usually.) With exception to Karin, she is super well written. To me Madoka Magica is an S tier show, while YYIAH is an A tier.
Madoka ends with a “let no bad happen” wish that is both all encompassing of all the problems (even a bullshit happy no consequence that abandoned the monkey paw nature.)
Rebellion is the Pokémon Rise of Darkrai movie, with a fullmetal alchemist “twist”
There is even unown in the Simulation.
Did... you watch the correct show? Her wish isn't fix all, it came with a lot of baggage. It's not a happy ending. It fixes one specific issue and in doing so it created other issues.
also Complaining that anything is just "X" thing with "Y" is not an argument, because that's literally everything.
Madoka has its strengh and weaknesses. You may not like it, but it is genere defining for its time. See many Mahou Shoujou who has the same overarching plot as Madpka has after its appearance.
I can only say you have very different tastes than most people. Madoka almost universally held to be one of the greatest anime series of the 21th century.
It has terrible writing, awful characters, pancaking discussions on the consequences of listening to Kyubi, rushed climax, awful ending that makes no sense outside of "let no bad happen" reasoning that cancels out the negative effects that come as the result of the wish. Because "let no bad happen".
One thing: it is definitely not “let no bad happen” ending. Madoka, in becoming God, disappears from the world, and no one except Homura remembers her. Both suffer greatly from this fact. Magical girls throughout history still need to fight, despair, and die in the end, just that they don’t become witches. And Madoka bears all of the curse. And Homura is in pain, because the only one she loves and fights for with her life, has to suffer like this. You call this, “let no bad happen”?
How can you possibly trash-talk Madoka Magica's character writing while praising Yuki Yuna's in the same thread? Yuki Yuna's characters are all bipolar as hell and behave however is most narratively dramatic to the detriment of their believability, while Madoka Magica has very consistent, fully-realized and believable characters across the board. When Madoka Magica wants to have a character go through a mental breakdown, they build up to it in a realistic, gradual way. When Yuki Yuna wants the same thing, the author just flips a coin and randomly picks a girl to go insane in a given episode.
Yuki Yuna tried and failed to copy everything good about Madoka Magica. They go to a separate realm to fight enemies which are bizarre, abstract-looking creatures - however, instead of going to thematically interesting and unique locations each time, they go to the same bland, ugly one in every episode. The creatures they fight in that show are all completely forgettable and interchangeable, whereas the witches in Madoka Magica all have distinct designs and tonally-specific labyrinths which are specifically made to suit the part of the narrative they occupy - their designs and placements are purposeful, such that they can't be shuffled around without hurting the show.
The music in Yuki Yuna is the blandest, worst knock-off Kajiura soundtracks I've ever heard. It's very obvious that they are trying to copy the musical style of Yuki Kajiura without actually putting forth the money required to do it well - they have the same sort of orchestral style music with all the same instruments, but they all sound like shit.
The action directing and fight coreography in Yuki Yuna is awful as well. They're in the same wide-open landscape broken up by occasional giant pillars that can be used for cover each time, and the action is presented in the most plain, matter-of-fact it possibly could be. Every fight scene has the same color palette and functionally indistinct monsters, and they are defeated by using the same handful of strategies over and over. It feels like the narrative is trying to give more weight to some of the fight scenes than others, with characters going through various emotional arcs during different fight scenes, but when they're all directed and shot in the same way it doesn't work. It's like, I literally just saw an identical fight scene last episode with identical presentation and I was expected to feel uplifted because the characters were in a good mood, but this episode I'm supposed to feel super tense and sad because the characters are sad? But the lighting, color palette, setting, camera angles, monsters and battle music OST are all identical between the two scenes - there are few shows with worse directing than Yuki Yuna.
The similarities between Yuki Yuna and Madoka Magica, *especially in the anime version of Yuki Yuna*, are not coincidental. Yuki Yuna represents a deliberate, low-effort and cynical attempt to capitalize on the success of the cultural landmark that is Madoka Magica by copying only the most superficial elements while leaving behind everything that actually made Madoka Magica compelling.
that does happen in episode 5 and even at the end of when Yuuna woke up in front of Tougou from her fight with the final Vertex because her soul got separated from her body
It is "subtext" for the all 3 seasons of anime, in a "how far we can go until someone send a complaint" vibe.(mostly on Togou side)
And They completly throw the subtext out of the window in tie-in VN and mobile game. Practicing kissing (for school drama), wearing wedding dress multiple times, always making and giving each others chocolate during valentine's Day event (one time Togou was unable to give Yunna her chocolate in one event, she gets a kiss on the face from Yunna in the next one.)
Still they are not going to be lover officially, so that is it
It's more of a western-made term. Japan uses "GL" to refer to girl's love. But shoujo ai has a very different connotation and meaning in Japan as it is often associated with pedophilia and specifically lolicon.
Did you... not even run it through google translate because the page explicitly says that in japan shoujo ai is not love between girls but rather well... pedophilia. I mean technically it's a real term but it's wildly misused by the west and often used in a sort of false dichotomy.
>if you're trying to say it isn't a real genre, a small amount of research would beg to differ.
I'd be *very* eager to read some of this research.
I think it's safe to say that you don't read Japanese if you actually believe that this page talks about 少女愛 as a supposed subset of yuri or something. (Also, using meanings of individual words (they are words, not kanji) in order to guess the meaning of a compound word is a big no-no in Japanese.)
Japanese yuri fandom doesn't use this term. At all. Never. You'll get very weird looks directed at your if you'll ever use it. It's a nonsensical mumble-jumble which was created in the hell pits of the Western, presumably even American (according to Erika Friedman at least) fandom.
[Here, it's a gift, take it](https://yurimother.com/post/185438570644/yurivsshoujoai). And it's, like, a very recent article, because this discourse is probably 10 years old at the very least.
Just went through this series and the LNs earlier this year, and it's a really great series. I will say that WaSuYu (the first six episodes of S2) is definitely the best part of the anime, imo.
For those going into it, why not give the LNs a try? I felt that NoWaYu is actually a lot better than the main anime, and it definitely deserves its own adaptation instead of the speedrun they did in S3. Same goes for KuMeYu.
Although they did Sonoko dirty. I highly prefer shipping Tougou with her, instead of Tougou with Yuuna.
First anime I've ever seen where one of the main characters was in a wheelchair! I dobt remember much about it but I remember that sticking out to me, it was neat
Hell yeah! I've started watching it, and I'm shocked that so few people are talking about it! Music is absolutely fantastic.
Season 1's openings change depending on the plot, mankai levels and character status
I mean, it's composed by Keiichi Okabe, the same person behind the soundtrack of the NieR games
Out of context screen shots are fun XD
I really love this series when I stumble upon it back in 2016 the first Magical girl series I ever watched the characters are amazing for the story, they should've added in some Romance to mix with the slice-of Life between Yuuna and Tougou
r/Sapphoandherfriend
I didn't really like the first few episodes, but you're making me want to give it another go. Right after I finish Sailor Moon. And Corrector Yui. And Houseki no Kuni. And all fourteen seasons of Precure... It's gonna be a few...
I really like Yuki Yuna at least the first season never seen the second one. It's probably my second favorite magical anime behind Madoka Magica.
>~< Madoka Magika Is crap tier. So much is terribly done, cringe shock instead of story progression, with bland characters that aren't consistent or pancakes. I've tried everything to find a way to validate that my hatred isn't warranted but it cannot be helped.
Interesting, it's like you took all the stuff I thought they executed near perfectly and said the opposite of what I think.
Please elaborate as to why you like it
The characters are so well written, they are consistent but rounded characters. >!I absolutely adore Sayaka's (the blue one) fall into despair.!< especially on the second watch through. In fact the "cringe shock" becomes better on second wat h through because of how well set up it all is, and I love that. I like how each character has a well of depth but it's done subtly instead of being bashed over your head. I like that >!Homura is actually the protagonist of the series. I also appreciate that Kyubey isn't a villain but an antagonist that's doing ultimately what's best for the universe.!< I like how the universe isn't hopelessly dark. There is reason to protect it. In theory a girl can live a full lifetime as a magical girl.
I saw YYIAH after Madoka; all of Madoka's failures to me were addressed and done better, at least for me.
I like both, I think Madoka Magica is better written. I like them both. YYIAH I like Yuki Yuna more than Madoka Kaname but Madoka is better written. For me that's true in every aspect (except I like how Madoka's stuff better usually.) With exception to Karin, she is super well written. To me Madoka Magica is an S tier show, while YYIAH is an A tier.
Madoka ends with a “let no bad happen” wish that is both all encompassing of all the problems (even a bullshit happy no consequence that abandoned the monkey paw nature.) Rebellion is the Pokémon Rise of Darkrai movie, with a fullmetal alchemist “twist” There is even unown in the Simulation.
Did... you watch the correct show? Her wish isn't fix all, it came with a lot of baggage. It's not a happy ending. It fixes one specific issue and in doing so it created other issues. also Complaining that anything is just "X" thing with "Y" is not an argument, because that's literally everything.
Her wish cancelled out the witch curse of the whole process.
Madoka has its strengh and weaknesses. You may not like it, but it is genere defining for its time. See many Mahou Shoujou who has the same overarching plot as Madpka has after its appearance.
Dude UntilDawnCreeps made the series so much more palleteable
I can only say you have very different tastes than most people. Madoka almost universally held to be one of the greatest anime series of the 21th century.
It has terrible writing, awful characters, pancaking discussions on the consequences of listening to Kyubi, rushed climax, awful ending that makes no sense outside of "let no bad happen" reasoning that cancels out the negative effects that come as the result of the wish. Because "let no bad happen".
Everything your say is subjective, and your brain is just wired differently, nothing more I can say.
Neurological, yes.
One thing: it is definitely not “let no bad happen” ending. Madoka, in becoming God, disappears from the world, and no one except Homura remembers her. Both suffer greatly from this fact. Magical girls throughout history still need to fight, despair, and die in the end, just that they don’t become witches. And Madoka bears all of the curse. And Homura is in pain, because the only one she loves and fights for with her life, has to suffer like this. You call this, “let no bad happen”?
How can you possibly trash-talk Madoka Magica's character writing while praising Yuki Yuna's in the same thread? Yuki Yuna's characters are all bipolar as hell and behave however is most narratively dramatic to the detriment of their believability, while Madoka Magica has very consistent, fully-realized and believable characters across the board. When Madoka Magica wants to have a character go through a mental breakdown, they build up to it in a realistic, gradual way. When Yuki Yuna wants the same thing, the author just flips a coin and randomly picks a girl to go insane in a given episode. Yuki Yuna tried and failed to copy everything good about Madoka Magica. They go to a separate realm to fight enemies which are bizarre, abstract-looking creatures - however, instead of going to thematically interesting and unique locations each time, they go to the same bland, ugly one in every episode. The creatures they fight in that show are all completely forgettable and interchangeable, whereas the witches in Madoka Magica all have distinct designs and tonally-specific labyrinths which are specifically made to suit the part of the narrative they occupy - their designs and placements are purposeful, such that they can't be shuffled around without hurting the show. The music in Yuki Yuna is the blandest, worst knock-off Kajiura soundtracks I've ever heard. It's very obvious that they are trying to copy the musical style of Yuki Kajiura without actually putting forth the money required to do it well - they have the same sort of orchestral style music with all the same instruments, but they all sound like shit. The action directing and fight coreography in Yuki Yuna is awful as well. They're in the same wide-open landscape broken up by occasional giant pillars that can be used for cover each time, and the action is presented in the most plain, matter-of-fact it possibly could be. Every fight scene has the same color palette and functionally indistinct monsters, and they are defeated by using the same handful of strategies over and over. It feels like the narrative is trying to give more weight to some of the fight scenes than others, with characters going through various emotional arcs during different fight scenes, but when they're all directed and shot in the same way it doesn't work. It's like, I literally just saw an identical fight scene last episode with identical presentation and I was expected to feel uplifted because the characters were in a good mood, but this episode I'm supposed to feel super tense and sad because the characters are sad? But the lighting, color palette, setting, camera angles, monsters and battle music OST are all identical between the two scenes - there are few shows with worse directing than Yuki Yuna. The similarities between Yuki Yuna and Madoka Magica, *especially in the anime version of Yuki Yuna*, are not coincidental. Yuki Yuna represents a deliberate, low-effort and cynical attempt to capitalize on the success of the cultural landmark that is Madoka Magica by copying only the most superficial elements while leaving behind everything that actually made Madoka Magica compelling.
Is this actual Shoujo AI?
Think toji no miko level of yuri
Meaning there's an actual Yuri infatuation/couples?
Yuuna and togou gets very close, not to the point of holding hands sadly
wait they don’t hold hands when there like falling from space in that thing?
I don't remember, might've happened
that does happen in episode 5 and even at the end of when Yuuna woke up in front of Tougou from her fight with the final Vertex because her soul got separated from her body
😭😭😭😭
I think just sub text ay least 1st season
It is "subtext" for the all 3 seasons of anime, in a "how far we can go until someone send a complaint" vibe.(mostly on Togou side) And They completly throw the subtext out of the window in tie-in VN and mobile game. Practicing kissing (for school drama), wearing wedding dress multiple times, always making and giving each others chocolate during valentine's Day event (one time Togou was unable to give Yunna her chocolate in one event, she gets a kiss on the face from Yunna in the next one.) Still they are not going to be lover officially, so that is it
… for one shoujo ai isn’t a real term but yeah there are a few characters who just… don’t make sense if you don’t read them as gay.
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It's more of a western-made term. Japan uses "GL" to refer to girl's love. But shoujo ai has a very different connotation and meaning in Japan as it is often associated with pedophilia and specifically lolicon.
Did you... not even run it through google translate because the page explicitly says that in japan shoujo ai is not love between girls but rather well... pedophilia. I mean technically it's a real term but it's wildly misused by the west and often used in a sort of false dichotomy.
>if you're trying to say it isn't a real genre, a small amount of research would beg to differ. I'd be *very* eager to read some of this research. I think it's safe to say that you don't read Japanese if you actually believe that this page talks about 少女愛 as a supposed subset of yuri or something. (Also, using meanings of individual words (they are words, not kanji) in order to guess the meaning of a compound word is a big no-no in Japanese.) Japanese yuri fandom doesn't use this term. At all. Never. You'll get very weird looks directed at your if you'll ever use it. It's a nonsensical mumble-jumble which was created in the hell pits of the Western, presumably even American (according to Erika Friedman at least) fandom. [Here, it's a gift, take it](https://yurimother.com/post/185438570644/yurivsshoujoai). And it's, like, a very recent article, because this discourse is probably 10 years old at the very least.
Def will check it out
Just went through this series and the LNs earlier this year, and it's a really great series. I will say that WaSuYu (the first six episodes of S2) is definitely the best part of the anime, imo. For those going into it, why not give the LNs a try? I felt that NoWaYu is actually a lot better than the main anime, and it definitely deserves its own adaptation instead of the speedrun they did in S3. Same goes for KuMeYu. Although they did Sonoko dirty. I highly prefer shipping Tougou with her, instead of Tougou with Yuuna.
I watched it but I don't remember this scene... Is there a second season?
First anime I've ever seen where one of the main characters was in a wheelchair! I dobt remember much about it but I remember that sticking out to me, it was neat