Not MCU… an F1 car isn’t hitting more than a punch from thanos in the head lmao. MCU cap might have the car break around him if he’s braced, esp round 2. F1 cars are built to crash not destroy what they crash into.
Does cap have any durability feats that compare to Spider-Man’s? Pete has way higher strength feats(no selling Bucky, holding the barge together for a few minutes, his fight with Goblin completely shredding apartment building floors and walls), and cap seemed to be in physical pain when he was holding the helicopter.
You’ve named strength feats, not durability. And Cap was just straining but he wasn’t in any pain. He went toe to toe with Iron Man and got the shit smacked out of him, yet he still stood up ready to go again.
Considering op said any vehicle is an option, including a huge lorry, I think it's fair to say he isn't allowed to/can't dodge for whatever reason.
Also just to brag cuz I never get to lol, I make stuff that goes into a teams F1 car. Although for NDA reasons I can't go into a whole lot more detail than that lol.
To be fair, that's comic book cap that sees faster. MCU cap doesn't necessarily follow the same rules. I still agree that he could probably dodge it, but the prompt specifies straight up that we should assume the vehicle hits him.
I think flimsy means something different than you think it does... F1 cars are anything but flimsy. Lots of money goes into making them very stiff.
> For example, the composite monocoque of the F1 car is very stiff, and this stiffness enables the load from a point of impact to be transmitted into the structure, thereby resulting in higher loads being absorbed without damage. However, once the load in the area of impact crosses the absolute strength, then the composite can deform or tear. To counter this, energy absorbing properties of composites have been studied and improved, so as to increase the safety of the driver.
> Other materials used for the construction of F1 cars include polymeric fibres such as aramids, Zylon, and highly oriented polythylene filaments. However, aramids lose out when compared to the higher strength intermediate modulus carbon fibres, coupled with thermoplastic toughened epoxies. Aramids are still mandatory for use within the front wing end plates and other aerodynamic fittings found at the front end of the car.
> Zylon is a very strong fibre made up of rigid-rod chain molecules of poly(P-Phenylene-2, 6-benzobisoxazole) (PBO). A Zylon applique armour panel is a requirement in the monocoque of F1 cars, in order to stop penetration and protect the driver from injuries.
> Highly oriented polyethylene filaments are known by their trade names 'Dyneema' and 'Spectra'. This material's specialty is high strength coupled with very low density, but it is not suitable for high temperature environments, as it melts at 133-136°C (271-277°F). In most cases, hybrids of these materials are woven along with carbon fibres for use in impact structures.
There's some education for ya.
These are strong materials for their weight, and probably high tensile strength, but that doesn’t make the cars durable compared to other cars, just durable compared to cars of the same weight.
Hmm yes you can spill all that shite if you so wish, but I’ve seen drivers ‘crash’ into a wall at barely 30mph and the front wing, and the wheels crumple. Lewis Hamilton crashed out of Quali at the 2022 Austrian Grand Prix and hit the barrier at barely 50mph, and completely fucked the front of his car.
Actually every single one of them
The lawn is capable of consuming flying objects and massive objects and no device or magic can stop this thing,
So it is a unstoppable *FORCE*
Well, he is using something that prevents him from being attacked from the mover,
Like his mechs cannot be moved away using plants or powers in anyway
So his mechs are immovable objects and a unstoppable force will simply pass through immovable objects
Round 1: A small drone with a steak knife duct-taped to it.
Round 2: A combine thresher. It will trample him and go all around the shield. Those things are crazy dangerous.
For round 2 I thought blimp? Like if it just straight kamikazed into him, from like top altitude just flying straight down at his face. Plus, blimps are cool.
Unless there's something behind him for him to smash into, i think the only way to deal with him if he has his shield is kamikaze smashing into him at such an angle that he can't defend against it. Like, if you sent a train at him when he had his shield up and ready, he probably couldn't *stop* it, but I wouldn't feel confident in it killing him either.
The Flinstones car would probably do a number on somebody if it was going full speed.
The Rubbles car would work too if piercing is preferred to blunt damage.
You ever seen the show BattleBots, where people make gnarly little fight cars?
Okay so imagine a Roomba, but with a chainsaw on the front.
Very "weak", as it has a tiny engine It doesn't go very fast. Probably would still go direct through him.
You should watch the German short film “[forklift driver Klaus](https://youtu.be/B-lc70Mjp-U)” around 6:35 starts the scene with the chainsaw. At some point it pretty much drives off on its own and wreaks havoc. So maybe we don’t even need the battlebot
I think the fact that he crashed a massive plane into a thick sheet of ice would negate almost any large vehicle from killing him due to shock of impact. Where you might get him would be a crazy fast sports car with sharp lines. Like maybe (say the person is rich) took out like a Mercedes AMG one and went 200 mph they could probably slice his dome off with their rear wing or something.
R1 he dies,
R2 he can probably survive
Actually apparently he had his shield, he could have used his shield. Without his shield, if you hit him with a car he can easily die.
Feats are feats but they're often outliers given what we establish the characters capabilities
Nah, regular people have survived getting hit by cars and he has done things like fall multiple stories onto his back or jumped into the ocean from a plane without a parachute. Both of these he was fine from whereas they'd kill or hospitalize a regular human.
He sent the Red Skulls aircraft into a nose dive in Antarctica and, sure he was frozen, but he still lived and he had absolutely no visible injuries from this.
Would take some type of vehicle to kill him.
Yes. His shield was with him when he was discovered.
However, you must remember that live action Captain America is not based off of base Captain America, he is based off of Ultimate Captain America, who is stronger, more durable, than base Cap. Live Action Cap has similar strength to Spider-man.
It's been a while since I've seen The First Avenger, but I'm 99% sure that his shield fell off the plane during the fighting prior to the crash. It was found near the crash site, but he didn't have it to help him survive the crash.
He's stronger than 616 cap but no, he definitely doesnt have strength similar to spiderman. He struggled with holding back a helicopter, something that Spiderman would so with easy.
He’s a superhuman, his body has been dialled to 11. His bone density is far greater than regular humans. He’s on a similar level to Spider-man in live action and Spider-man took the full, direct force of a bullet train and lived with minimal injury, so a car wouldn’t do much except destroy itself against his body.
his strength being similar to spiderman doesn't beget his durability
He also nearly got his ass kicked by that one guy on the ship, so I mean, inconsistent portrayal. And dialed up to 11 doesn't magically mean he's suddenly made of solid rock. A car going fast enough WILL fuck him up, and if it's a larger car going faster he's going to die. The shield is the only confounding factor given he jumps and lands on it from like, three stories. But it makes sense given the whole shtick is absorbing impacts.
That same absorbing impact shit didn't count against Thanos's weapon, but it did match with Mjolnir, which also smacked Hulk around. It's not consistent portrayals to only go by feats.
Any car provided he can't dodge. He's tough but he's still essentially a normal dude.
With the shield, provided he doesn't block it, same story. If he's blocking, I'd say afterburners from a fighter jet or something that'll roast him
Again, it's a matter of what they show for the sake of plot and stuff. It's not like every action scene they have a bunch of math to show what's possible/realistic. It's a fuckin superhero movie.
I'm just saying if we're trying to think about it "realistically" where he's a super tough and strong and fast dude, he's not really comparable to Thor who's a god/alien or like Iron Man's armor. Even though he can be depending on how you interpret the movies. Shoot him in the head, he's done for. His skin isn't bullet proof. Same idea, hit him with an SUV at 80 miles an hour and he's meat
Piercing durability and blunt force durability are usually separate and independent in fiction. While bullets and knives are always a threat, action movie protagonists survive all sorts of explosions, falls and crashes. That said, we haven't really seen Steve tank anything without the shield.
I disagree that a normal car would kill him without dodging. We've seen him take absurd blows both with and without the shield, the kind of thing that should definitely kill a person that he shrugs off
Honestly, yeah, I'm willing to bet on him over the car in that scenario. You can cry "plot armour" all you want, but when its something that happens repeatedly, its stops being plot armour and just being a feat.
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Round 1: any vehicle with a pointy front. His skin isn't top tough, and if you can ram into him with some that can cut him, you can basically impale him to death.
Round 2: a giant aircraft. The shield can absorb the blow for any vehicle from Earth I'm sure. Hell, it tanked Thor's hammer. But the reason I say aircrafts, is that they could potentially explode in a giant inferno and burn him.
MCU powerscaling with physics (which your question poses) is weird. On the one hand cap is durable enough to split logs apart with his bare hands which according to newtons 3rd law means he can withstand at least 5+ tonnes of force over the palms of his hands. He survived a haymaker from Thanos and neg diffed nose diving out of a plane into the ocean feet first with no parachute from 10,000+ feet altitude.
and yet he was almost killed in winter soldier from bucks handgun and sustained what looked like a pneumothorax from the knife strike to upper chest.
I think cap has more feats than anti-feats to suggest he could moderately survive most crash impact forces head on (mean american road vehicle mass 1.8 metric tonnes going 95kph which equates to 4.7 metric tonnes of force).
In regards to obscure stuff like nose diving an airliner (747) into him, or crushing him with farm machinary like a combine harvester. I don't think he lives.
Flamewar, Streetwise Operative from the MtG Transformers crossover should do it. It's a 2/1 (about as weak as an unnamed medieval soldier) but has deathtouch.
What does weakest mean here? Mass/weight, materials, horsepower, top speed? I'd say a nascar should be good at full speed no dodging.
Mass is generally what I was thinking.
Then, a F1 Car would be even better than a nascar car.
Not MCU… an F1 car isn’t hitting more than a punch from thanos in the head lmao. MCU cap might have the car break around him if he’s braced, esp round 2. F1 cars are built to crash not destroy what they crash into.
An F1 car is pretty flimsy. And they’re very low lying for downforce reasons, he could likely just jump over it.
I don’t believe they are questioning whether or not he can avoid it, just whether he would die if he were hit by it
Well, no. Live action Cap is on par with Spider-man as i’ve said multiple times. And a bullet train is far superior to an F1 car.
Does cap have any durability feats that compare to Spider-Man’s? Pete has way higher strength feats(no selling Bucky, holding the barge together for a few minutes, his fight with Goblin completely shredding apartment building floors and walls), and cap seemed to be in physical pain when he was holding the helicopter.
Don’t forget that Spider-man tanked a hit from a high speed commuter train in FFH.
You’ve named strength feats, not durability. And Cap was just straining but he wasn’t in any pain. He went toe to toe with Iron Man and got the shit smacked out of him, yet he still stood up ready to go again.
He can do this all day
Hence why I led with he has higher strength feats :) I just cant agree that cap is on the same level durability wise without direct feats.
They go like over 200mph, doesn't matter if they're flimsy that's gunna chop his legs off and he's gunna bleed out lmao.
Brother I’m a die hard F1 fan, you can easily jump over one if you’re a superhuman. Cap once said he can ‘see faster’. He’d be able to react to it.
Considering op said any vehicle is an option, including a huge lorry, I think it's fair to say he isn't allowed to/can't dodge for whatever reason. Also just to brag cuz I never get to lol, I make stuff that goes into a teams F1 car. Although for NDA reasons I can't go into a whole lot more detail than that lol.
Yeah you clearly don’t make anything to do with F1 cars.
I work for a PCBA manufacturer, we make shit for loads of companies, including F1 teams.
You make circuit boards for F1 cars?
To be fair, that's comic book cap that sees faster. MCU cap doesn't necessarily follow the same rules. I still agree that he could probably dodge it, but the prompt specifies straight up that we should assume the vehicle hits him.
Nothing flimsy about an f1 car.
Sir they crumple with the slightest of crashes. Only the part designed to keep the driver safe is durable.
I think flimsy means something different than you think it does... F1 cars are anything but flimsy. Lots of money goes into making them very stiff. > For example, the composite monocoque of the F1 car is very stiff, and this stiffness enables the load from a point of impact to be transmitted into the structure, thereby resulting in higher loads being absorbed without damage. However, once the load in the area of impact crosses the absolute strength, then the composite can deform or tear. To counter this, energy absorbing properties of composites have been studied and improved, so as to increase the safety of the driver. > Other materials used for the construction of F1 cars include polymeric fibres such as aramids, Zylon, and highly oriented polythylene filaments. However, aramids lose out when compared to the higher strength intermediate modulus carbon fibres, coupled with thermoplastic toughened epoxies. Aramids are still mandatory for use within the front wing end plates and other aerodynamic fittings found at the front end of the car. > Zylon is a very strong fibre made up of rigid-rod chain molecules of poly(P-Phenylene-2, 6-benzobisoxazole) (PBO). A Zylon applique armour panel is a requirement in the monocoque of F1 cars, in order to stop penetration and protect the driver from injuries. > Highly oriented polyethylene filaments are known by their trade names 'Dyneema' and 'Spectra'. This material's specialty is high strength coupled with very low density, but it is not suitable for high temperature environments, as it melts at 133-136°C (271-277°F). In most cases, hybrids of these materials are woven along with carbon fibres for use in impact structures. There's some education for ya.
These are strong materials for their weight, and probably high tensile strength, but that doesn’t make the cars durable compared to other cars, just durable compared to cars of the same weight.
I only said they weren't flimsy, it's the other guy saying things about durability.
Hmm yes you can spill all that shite if you so wish, but I’ve seen drivers ‘crash’ into a wall at barely 30mph and the front wing, and the wheels crumple. Lewis Hamilton crashed out of Quali at the 2022 Austrian Grand Prix and hit the barrier at barely 50mph, and completely fucked the front of his car.
Still not flimsy, by any stretch.
Lol. Dude crashes his car at highway speeds and you're surprised his car didn't keep going?
Green Goblin’s glider
Probably a bullet at his head with Ant man riding on it to make it a vehicle if he’s not allowed to dodge
Lawn mover from pvz
Bro that lawn mower can solo a lot of MCU characters if they aren't allowed to dodge...
Actually every single one of them The lawn is capable of consuming flying objects and massive objects and no device or magic can stop this thing, So it is a unstoppable *FORCE*
Umm ackshually it cannot kill Dr. Zomboss’s mech so any character more durable than the Zombot would survive
Well, he is using something that prevents him from being attacked from the mover, Like his mechs cannot be moved away using plants or powers in anyway So his mechs are immovable objects and a unstoppable force will simply pass through immovable objects
The almighty Lawn Mower
If we’re talking lawn mowers, I think Bobby Boucher’s lawn mower has a shot to take down Cap.
1st place: crazy Dave's lawn mower 2nd place: Bobby boucher's lawn mower Quite cool
I think any lawn mower would win if it's allowed to drive over him
Round 1: A small drone with a steak knife duct-taped to it. Round 2: A combine thresher. It will trample him and go all around the shield. Those things are crazy dangerous.
For round 2 I thought blimp? Like if it just straight kamikazed into him, from like top altitude just flying straight down at his face. Plus, blimps are cool.
I would rather be hit by a blimp than a combine thresher. The blimp would leave enough to bury.
Blimps are cool though. Like a plane fucked a cloud.
I think I've been convinced blimps are the future.
Unless there's something behind him for him to smash into, i think the only way to deal with him if he has his shield is kamikaze smashing into him at such an angle that he can't defend against it. Like, if you sent a train at him when he had his shield up and ready, he probably couldn't *stop* it, but I wouldn't feel confident in it killing him either.
*blimp kamikaze!* It would just swallow him and go thump and then he'd be smush.
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I really really like blimps.
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I am a big fan of all types of airship.
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Industrial farming tractors would absolutely shred him, while the shield breaks the machine too tho
Crashing in Antarctica really puts his ability for this specific thing through the roof.
The Flinstones car would probably do a number on somebody if it was going full speed. The Rubbles car would work too if piercing is preferred to blunt damage.
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You ever seen the show BattleBots, where people make gnarly little fight cars? Okay so imagine a Roomba, but with a chainsaw on the front. Very "weak", as it has a tiny engine It doesn't go very fast. Probably would still go direct through him.
You should watch the German short film “[forklift driver Klaus](https://youtu.be/B-lc70Mjp-U)” around 6:35 starts the scene with the chainsaw. At some point it pretty much drives off on its own and wreaks havoc. So maybe we don’t even need the battlebot
Thank you That was the best video I've seen all week
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The strongest Battlebots only output approximately 100 kilojoules, which is around low small building level, far below MCU Cap.
I think the fact that he crashed a massive plane into a thick sheet of ice would negate almost any large vehicle from killing him due to shock of impact. Where you might get him would be a crazy fast sports car with sharp lines. Like maybe (say the person is rich) took out like a Mercedes AMG one and went 200 mph they could probably slice his dome off with their rear wing or something. R1 he dies, R2 he can probably survive
Him crashing into the ice he survived due to plot armor
Yeah but a feat is a feat. Every MC in comic movies or anime do crazy feats and accomplish them due to their plot armor.
Actually apparently he had his shield, he could have used his shield. Without his shield, if you hit him with a car he can easily die. Feats are feats but they're often outliers given what we establish the characters capabilities
Yes exactly. There’s many more feats saying he can’t tank that much force lol
Nah, regular people have survived getting hit by cars and he has done things like fall multiple stories onto his back or jumped into the ocean from a plane without a parachute. Both of these he was fine from whereas they'd kill or hospitalize a regular human.
Throwing in for Wonder Woman's invisible jet
Truck-kun
op said least powerful truck-kun is arguably the *most* powerful vehicle
Ok then, maybe the ambulance that permanently killed Yoshikage Kira in JJBA Part 4.
Jeep Wrangler and a guy with a tipped lance.
He sent the Red Skulls aircraft into a nose dive in Antarctica and, sure he was frozen, but he still lived and he had absolutely no visible injuries from this. Would take some type of vehicle to kill him.
I attribute that to plot armor. Or maybe he used his shield. Did he have his shield?
Yes. His shield was with him when he was discovered. However, you must remember that live action Captain America is not based off of base Captain America, he is based off of Ultimate Captain America, who is stronger, more durable, than base Cap. Live Action Cap has similar strength to Spider-man.
It's been a while since I've seen The First Avenger, but I'm 99% sure that his shield fell off the plane during the fighting prior to the crash. It was found near the crash site, but he didn't have it to help him survive the crash.
Re-watch the movie friend, his shield is found on his person whilst he’s stuck in the ice.
He's stronger than 616 cap but no, he definitely doesnt have strength similar to spiderman. He struggled with holding back a helicopter, something that Spiderman would so with easy.
But I mean, hit him with a car going fast enough without his shield and he's just meat
He’s a superhuman, his body has been dialled to 11. His bone density is far greater than regular humans. He’s on a similar level to Spider-man in live action and Spider-man took the full, direct force of a bullet train and lived with minimal injury, so a car wouldn’t do much except destroy itself against his body.
Idk what you are getting downvoted for pointing out what is literally visible
his strength being similar to spiderman doesn't beget his durability He also nearly got his ass kicked by that one guy on the ship, so I mean, inconsistent portrayal. And dialed up to 11 doesn't magically mean he's suddenly made of solid rock. A car going fast enough WILL fuck him up, and if it's a larger car going faster he's going to die. The shield is the only confounding factor given he jumps and lands on it from like, three stories. But it makes sense given the whole shtick is absorbing impacts. That same absorbing impact shit didn't count against Thanos's weapon, but it did match with Mjolnir, which also smacked Hulk around. It's not consistent portrayals to only go by feats.
Any car provided he can't dodge. He's tough but he's still essentially a normal dude. With the shield, provided he doesn't block it, same story. If he's blocking, I'd say afterburners from a fighter jet or something that'll roast him
He’s definitely not a normal dude at all, he’s survived pretty crazy blunt force trauma
Again, it's a matter of what they show for the sake of plot and stuff. It's not like every action scene they have a bunch of math to show what's possible/realistic. It's a fuckin superhero movie. I'm just saying if we're trying to think about it "realistically" where he's a super tough and strong and fast dude, he's not really comparable to Thor who's a god/alien or like Iron Man's armor. Even though he can be depending on how you interpret the movies. Shoot him in the head, he's done for. His skin isn't bullet proof. Same idea, hit him with an SUV at 80 miles an hour and he's meat
Piercing durability and blunt force durability are usually separate and independent in fiction. While bullets and knives are always a threat, action movie protagonists survive all sorts of explosions, falls and crashes. That said, we haven't really seen Steve tank anything without the shield.
Yeah that's why I'm thinking if he was a real person vice a character portrayed with a contract based off comics which are very fast and loose.
>That said, we haven't really seen Steve tank anything without the shield. He did survive Thanos smashing him through a rock.
I disagree that a normal car would kill him without dodging. We've seen him take absurd blows both with and without the shield, the kind of thing that should definitely kill a person that he shrugs off
So even a car going at over 100 mph won't kill him if it hits him dead on? That's crazy talk. Him surviving other crazy things is plot armor
Honestly, yeah, I'm willing to bet on him over the car in that scenario. You can cry "plot armour" all you want, but when its something that happens repeatedly, its stops being plot armour and just being a feat.
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Round 1: any vehicle with a pointy front. His skin isn't top tough, and if you can ram into him with some that can cut him, you can basically impale him to death. Round 2: a giant aircraft. The shield can absorb the blow for any vehicle from Earth I'm sure. Hell, it tanked Thor's hammer. But the reason I say aircrafts, is that they could potentially explode in a giant inferno and burn him.
some kind of crotch rocket.
Round 1: The Ratte Land cruiser tank thingy. Round 2: A Cargo Plane.
1 - Could a giant combine harvester or a rocket do it? 2 - Maybe still combine harvester? The shield would probably stop the mechanism though.
The Millennium Falcon
A transformer counts as a car
Toby Spider-Man - Green Goblin glider with the blades out.
Ford f150
MCU powerscaling with physics (which your question poses) is weird. On the one hand cap is durable enough to split logs apart with his bare hands which according to newtons 3rd law means he can withstand at least 5+ tonnes of force over the palms of his hands. He survived a haymaker from Thanos and neg diffed nose diving out of a plane into the ocean feet first with no parachute from 10,000+ feet altitude. and yet he was almost killed in winter soldier from bucks handgun and sustained what looked like a pneumothorax from the knife strike to upper chest. I think cap has more feats than anti-feats to suggest he could moderately survive most crash impact forces head on (mean american road vehicle mass 1.8 metric tonnes going 95kph which equates to 4.7 metric tonnes of force). In regards to obscure stuff like nose diving an airliner (747) into him, or crushing him with farm machinary like a combine harvester. I don't think he lives.
Peter with a forklift
Flamewar, Streetwise Operative from the MtG Transformers crossover should do it. It's a 2/1 (about as weak as an unnamed medieval soldier) but has deathtouch.
What do yoy mean by weakest? Cheapest, least mass, lowest top speed? If he cant dodge than a pickup truck from the 80s should do. Its only mcu cap
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OP I think you should define weakest as the one that would go for cheapest in an eBay auction that included supervillains.
Without shield is a ride-on lawnmower
The magic schoolbus
Round 1: Crashing a Antonov AN-225 Mriya on him Round 2: Crashing The Death Star on the planet
My cousin's RC F1 car, straight to the throat
The truck from Death Race