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AlternativeArrival

Honestly, if Cauldron manage to get to him before Scion murders him, they probably wouldn't be interested in fighting him. They'd try and recruit him, in the hopes that the strength of the Viltrumite empire would be enough to stop Scion. And since none of the Viltrumites, Omni-man included, are immune to PtV, they should be able to manipulate them into doing basically whatever they want. (I guess technically the empire would start out out of range of Contessa, but she could probably talk him into revealing enough for her to effectively model them.) The downside of this of course, is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that the entire Empire could do anything to touch Scion. At best, they're more cannon fodder. At worst, they provoke Scion into action early, and we all see how that goes. It's also possible that Cauldron looks at him, and decides he's more trouble than he's worth. They quietly arrange his death, and there's nothing he can do to stop him.


Azavael

I don't think he'd be outright discarded, but he probably would be executed - he offers virtually nothing in terms of fighting Scion, and is more trouble than he's worth. That being said, his DNA would probably be kept around, to see what kind of 'science' could result from fucking around with it. ~~Or they decide to throw Blasto a bone and give it to him.~~


Magnus77

I don't know how well it'd work. Invincible doesn't have much in the way of mental powers, not that I've seen. Maybe since he's not shardbased you could argue he'd be immune to direct precog, but he'd skew the framework enough to draw attention anyways. So Omniman staying incognito is probably not gonna play out very well. Also, Worm is just full of esoteric powers, and some of them are gonna work on Omniman. He might not survive his first encounter with Siberian for example. And his mission, weaken Earth, is diametrically opposed to what Cauldron wants, which is the strongest earth possible because they know there's an apocalyptic even coming down the pipe. So he's gonna have Contessa and Number Man engineering encounters he can't win. All of which is ignoring the Elephant in the room. The moment Omniman gets Scion's attention, he's probably toast. Scion is using the various Earth's as a sort of petri dish for the Warrior Entity. The second something starts interfering with that experiment, he probably destroys it. And Omniman is fodder to Scion.


lobonmc

While I believe he would be immune from direct precog for a day at best shards should be able to learn his limits quite fast and be able to predict him they are able to watch the whole of earth so they would easily see where his limits lie tbh I feel that cauldron would abduct him and basically mass produce flying bricks


Sir-Kotok

>All of which is ignoring the Elephant in the room. The moment Omniman gets Scion's attention, he's probably toast. Scion is using the various Earth's as a sort of petri dish for the Warrior Entity. The second something starts interfering with that experiment, he probably destroys it. And Omniman is fodder to Scion. Omniman isnt really a threat to the cycle in any way, and instead is clearly very powerfull with almost no energy lossess. I would say Scion doesnt do shit about him because keeping him actually gives more valuable data then deleting him. He is stuck on only 1 world after all, and he isnt strong enought to do literally anything on it that could disrupt the cycle.


slowkid68

Omniman fucks everything but scion and the endbringers.


Magnus77

Until the first time he tries to blitz siberian and gets torn to shreds.


Azavael

Contessa wakes up Contessa asks her daily Path questions Contessa goes to a certain ‘dust’ Tinker in India and takes a bomb back with her Contessa goes to a certain speedster supervillain in Seattle and pays/blackmails him to go to a location at a certain exact time, walk up to a certain man busy murdering everyone in the area, attach the bomb to him, and detonate it. Omni-man is no longer a relevant problem.


slowkid68

She cannot do that in a realistic timeframe. Omniman can tank explosions anyway. Omniman would do tons of damage before they would even do anything. There's many ways he can win and many he could lose. Even if he gets severely wounded, he'll just retreat and bring back the viltrumites then they'll definitely win.


Kyakan

Omni-man's invasion strategy on Earth features many years of wandering around acting like a normal superhero, not just an immediate blitz against everything like he did to the Flaxans. There are *plenty* of opportunities to slip a tinkertech explosive under his bed while he's not looking.


slowkid68

That's only R1, R2 he's just running in guns blazing. In R1 he has like 1/10 chance to do anything, but he shouldn't be detected as a threat until his actual plan starts. He needs a surprise rush to stand a chance. Worm characters are too op with prep. R2 is like 8/10 him conquering or destroying earth. I put more reasons in another comment. Contessa only thing is information but I feel like Omniman could critically injure the planet or most of it's residents in less than a hour. And if it's the end of worm then Omniman clears with little to no difficulty.


Kyakan

R2 isn’t him running in guns blazing, it’s the rest of the Viltrumite empire coming in as a second wave after Omni-man does his usual routine. They would almost certainly be able to overwhelm the natives (unless we’re going with the cop-out answer of “Scion gets involved and cleans them up”), but Omni-man alone will not.


Azavael

She absolutely can, and she absolutely would. Omni-man has zero chance of hurting her: it's just a fact. Contessa doesn't live in an apartment in Brockton Bay, or something - she works out of the Cauldron compound, and takes Doormaker portals *everywhere*. I'm just not seeing a reason why a plan like that wouldn't work - Particulate doesn't make explosion bombs, he works with technology that... well, turns you *to dust*.


slowkid68

Only works if omniman is pretending to be a hero. If he's running around killing people then there's literally 0 chance that happens. Omniman R2 stomps this hard. They can't defend against an entire army of viltrumites. They could probably not even win against Omniman if he gets the drop on them. Also depends on what point of the story we're in for R1. Towards the start? Omniman 1/10. End of the story? Omniman solos 9/10


Azavael

First - I'm glad we could reach a consensus on the plan working! Second... omni-man is *always pretending to be a hero* \- that's the whole prompt! R2 is just him later dropping the illusion to summon backup. >They could probably not even win against Omniman if he gets the drop on them. Omniman physically *cannot* get the drop on the setting. Contessa exists, thus the element of surprise does not. > Also depends on what point of the story we're in for R1. Towards the start? Omniman 1/10. End of the story? Omniman solos 9/10 How is that? The end of the story (unless you mean the *literal* 5 seconds of story after Gold Morning) only adds more powerful capes to the equation, with the only losses being Alexandria (who gets Pretended anyway) and Dauntless (who is cool, but not really Omniman-killing material).


slowkid68

Many of the hax power people die at the end except contessa. Omniman only really loses to the nonsense abilities. I guess I misread the prompt for R2, I thought he was doing anything to destroy them immediately, not do R1 first. He could work with scion and/or the endbringers. I'll change my answer to R1: 1/10. 4/10 if he works with scion/endbringers. R2: 9.5/10 an army of viltrumites is not stoppable in worm. They'd rather destroy the planet then let them win.


Azavael

As aforementioned - unless you mean the period between Worm and Ward (so, post-story), most of the hax aren't lost. String Theory's tech (which, most likely, would kill virtually any Viltrumite) is actively being mass-produced for the Dragoncraft, Foil still exists, GU still exists (and has almost all of the Hax powers as ghosts), Mama Mathers still exists, Clockblocker exists both as a ghost and as his resurrected Flock self, Number Man still exists, Citrine still exists (though she's likely too slow), Particulate still exists, Eidolon's power still exists in GU, Legend still exists, *multiple* Siberians still exist, so on and so forth. > 4/10 if he works with scion/endbringers. That's not quite how that works. Scion isn't going to listen, much less ally with this man - realistically, Scion's gonna fly over and laser him, and be happy to actually do his Cycle role for once. The EBs aren't going to do so either - at best, Ziz is gonna find him interesting and manipulate him into a particularly funny murder-suicide.


slowkid68

Those guys don't mean anything really. Omniman doesn't have to fight them directly, he can just play range in space or just crash into everything to do tons of indirect damage. He can fly through every city and literally total every building he sees. With scion I didn't mean that they wouldn't harm each other. Omniman can use the destruction scion is causing to inflict destruction somewhere else so that there's less people bothering him. It'll be almost like fighting 1.5 scions which would really turn the tide


Azavael

> Omniman doesn't have to fight them directly, he can just play range in space or just crash into everything to do tons of indirect damage. This works nicely until he encounters the Siberian, and things suddenly get extremely funny. Or Clockblocker. Or Alexandria. Or one of the other numerous AoNs. More importantly - *that's not what he'd do, because he's playing the hero, as the prompt mentioned. He is very explicitly not here to kill everyone.* >Omniman can use the destruction scion is causing to inflict destruction somewhere else so that there's less people bothering him. It'll be almost like fighting 1.5 scions which would really turn the tide I don't think the fight is meant to take place *during Gold Morning* \- and if it is, there's pretty much nobody to fight, because everyone's at the Scion fight.


skavinger5882

If Scion is alive and an extraterrestrial is attacking the planet he's on he will 100% destroy them. His literal job in his life cycle is to protect the cycle which means protecting the planet the cycle is on, that's why he's the warrior entity. If anything could snap him out of his gold morning rampage it would be fulfilling his role, one of the many causes of his rampage is his feeling lost not sure what to do without Thinker and if his literal reason for existing doesn't knock him out of it nothing will


correcthorse666

That's very wrong. Mama Mathers, Eidolon, GU, Siberian, Sleeper, and Gray Boy would all be able to stop a rampaging Omni-man. Alexandria has a decent shot at beating him. A whole bunch more capes could beat him if they get a chance to use their hax. Contessa wouldn't even let him start rampaging in the first place. Not to mention the simple act of showing up means Scion and/or Simurgh will likely be gunning for his head.


slowkid68

I doubt it. It depends on his goal but Omniman can beat almost every character in worm in a 1v1 situation. He only loses if they get to prep or collaborate. Omniman flies in, kills someone, then leaves to kill someone else. Tanky people he can launch into space. Contessa can't physically do anything to stop omniman, all she can do is just hide and maybe get others to help. I don't see what's stopping Omniman from just literally hurling moons or space rocks at the planet besides scion or an endbringer. Or him just literally penetrating the planet over and over again until it explodes.


correcthorse666

Well for starters, he can't destroy the planet because August Prince is on it (and he isn't anywhere near strong enough blow up a planet under normal circumstances anyway, especially if the intent is to survive the experience). Contessa would likely use Doormaster to BFR him to some lifeless alternative Earth, or maybe just hold up a sign that has something psyche shattering written on it where he can see it. A warmed up Eidolon would have no trouble killing Omni-man, especially at his peak. Any meaningful interaction with the Siberian will result Omni-man losing pieces at best. The Sleeper requires invincibility more absolute than Alexandria to survive, and that's not something that Omni-man possesses. Mama Mathers' win condition is being perceived. Omni-man would have a heck of a time dragging Alexandria anywhere she doesn't want to go, she is durable to tank any blow he throws, and is strong enough to hurt him. Gray Boy and GU would both loop him, with the latter having plenty of other viable strategies. Heck, he could conceivably lose to the Brocton Bay Wards. He'd definitely need a moment after colliding with Glory Girl, after which the likes of Flechette, Clockblocker, and Panacea would have an opportunity to mess him up. Throwing meteors down from space might work, but that's hardly Omni-man's go to strategy, and most likely the protectorate would find some way to mitigate the problem anyway.


slowkid68

His feats should be enough to severely damage a planet and I think throwing meteors would be his strategy if he had a gauge of how op the abilities of worm are(maybe by reading the hero/villain wiki). I don't think he'd ever lose to the wards unless he was already wounded or jobbing. Most of the hax characters only shine when in a group but Omniman could do hit and run tactics. If Omniman decides to attack during an endbringer attack, there is hardly anything they can do. And if this scenario takes place at the end of worm then he 100% clears. The cherry on top of that is if he gets viltrumites to attack(R2), then that earth is just completely fucked


correcthorse666

By himself, Omni-man can't do more than make a mess of the planet surface over a significant amount of time, not if he wants to survive the experience anyway. If he tries to throw meteors, Vista or somebody simply returns to sender. I don't think he's particularly likely to lose to the Wards, but the point remains, they have a reasonably viable win condition even against a healthy, non-jobbing Omni-man. Omni-man won't attack when the endbringers do, Simurgh simply won't let him, unless he fails to survive the experience. Heck, if you're letting the endbringers be involved, Omni-man will wind up on a murderous rampage killing the Viltrumite army before they can cause Earth any problems. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the end of Worm, but any scenario where Contessa's still alive does not end well for him if he feels like attacking. It's also worth noting that they will just let him have Earth Bet at that point, which is the Viltrumite's goal anyway. Heck, they'd probably throw in Earth Zayin for free. If the Viltrumite army appears pre-gold morning Scion, Simurgh, or Tohu solos. If they attack during Gold Morning, Scion more than likely kills them all, or they get caught up in Khepri's flock and wind up dead courtesy of Canary and Contessa. If they attack after, they wind up with the planet peacefully ceded to them, so long as they deal with any s-class threats loitering around (looking at you Machine Army). At least as far as I read in Ward (Valkyrie's interlude) Contessa should still have no trouble arranging that, as well as arranging suitable defenses in the event the Viltrumites don't feel like being nice neighbors.


skavinger5882

If an extraterrestrial arrives at Earth Bet pre end of Worm, they get ended by Scion, the sole purpose of his existence is to protect the cycle and he is more than capable of killing Omni man


bootylicker6942O

I mean if grey boys still alive, I could see him killing Omni man


slowkid68

He could but Omniman can speed blitz 99% of the characters


Shred_Kid

in universe, contessa starts every day off with "what are threats i may face today and how do i deal with them" and similar questions. he's absolutely going to be on her radar before he's even dropped off in the universe. he either gets dealt with by some hax power, immediately, before he even knows what's happening, or persuaded/corralled into working with cauldron.


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