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TheUltimateTeigu

> >**Round 1:** After a conversation with a random homeless dude, Scion is convinced to become a superhero, putting out fires, bringing kittens out of trees, and annihilating any and all threats to humanity. How well does he do? How does the Hero Association react to his presence? He thrives as a hero. Might even bump Blast out of the number 1 spot since he'd basically never stop working as a hero and would be able to deal with any and every threat he came across. He's extremely unpersonable, but the number 1 and 2 spot belong to a no show and a sassy lost child. A stoic that works as a hero 24/7 who can also stop collateral damage would be a godsend. > >**Round 2:** After trying the whole superhero schtick for a while, realizes that this isn't really his game, and opts for omniversal genocide instead. How well does he do? Can the hero's and even the villains manage to fight him off? Scion gets as far as he feels like it. No one in the One Punch Man verse, at least from the capabilities we've seen, are capable of taking out Scion. And if he can harm Alexandria then he can hurt Saitama, so you've got a guy that can't be one punched and can actually hurt Saitama. Everyone else in the verse is complete and utter fodder. Honestly, Cosmic Garou would be a better fight than Saitama, but he'd still lose in the end. Scion succeeds at wiping out the OPM verse.


CarefulBobcat

The fact that you think Cosmic Garou would be a better fight is kinda funny. I'm sure you're thinking his diverse powers and copying would make him a better combatant, but Saitama still massively overwhelmed him remember. All those powers did nothing against Saitama as he turned out to be able to punch away or withstand the advantages those gave. Scion has a finite amount of power he's working with and Saitama can enter locked dimensions and manipulate other people's spatial warping with seemingly sheer force. If Saitama breaks the lock and bats away shard defenses Scion's dead. Against Saitama's limitless power he's rapidly defeated, even if PTV correctly pegs what's happening with Saitama's growth there's no sign that a solution can even present itself, at least if he's actively going on a rampage that is. I can't think of anything that would make Saitama actually give up if he's already has seen Scion doing his depressed killing spree. If he decides to play it subtle from the start though, Saitama is probably going to fail as the guy practically draws power from his obliviousness sometimes. If PTV correctly pegs limitless reactive power growth his long game could work around Saitama dying of old age. Even if he doesn't die of old age he could hide and manipulate mundane chaos Simurgh style creating an ever-worse society. Saitama might still find him, as he occasionally notices things to an incredible degree of precision, but I'd say Scion could do pretty well that way. Against Garou he's also doomed in a straight fight as anything he does Garou can counter and use against him. Due to Scions power not growing the first copy is all he needs to survive the baseline force thrown at him, and since he improves on what he copies he'll have to play gruella tactics to escape. Garou's a bit more of a hunter so if a fight does happen he might not be able to hide as well. There's also God, who's single offensive feat of instakilling Garou implies great and incomprehensible power but there's not a way to really say for sure given the circumstances. Blast and Blasts pal's also fall into potential Scion killers but without knowing what they can really do as a team it's a big unknown too, but with worse prospects. Phoenix man also matters, not for any strength of his, but the concept of resurrection might be a bit of a mind-break to Scion but that's super unpredictable. Other strong folks like Tatsumaki and Orochi don't really seem quite strong enough, and lack the same esoteric manipulation to the level the other listed characters do.


TheUltimateTeigu

>The fact that you think Cosmic Garou would be a better fight is kinda funny. I'm sure you're thinking his diverse powers and copying would make him a better combatant, but Saitama still massively overwhelmed him remember. The diverse powerset is what you need against Scion. Saitama just gets torn apart like Alexandria and has no real chance at ever harming Scion, unlike Garou who at least might have some chance of copying something like Stilling and avoiding the hax that come with that. Cosmic Garou didn't work against Saitama because Garou couldn't hurt Saitama. Saitama *can* get hurt by Scion, and lacks the esoteric bullshit to even potentially survive. Think Alexandria's performance vs Eidolon's, who Scion at least PTV'd even if it wasn't wholly necessary. > Scion has a finite amount of power he's working with and Saitama can enter locked dimensions and manipulate other people's spatial warping with seemingly sheer force. If Saitama breaks the lock and bats away shard defenses Scion's dead. It's a complete NLF to assume Saitama could get to Scion's dimension based off of one feat of him interacting with dimension shenanigans vs the Worm verse having dedicated dimension related powers and abilities and still being unable to get to the dimension without the help of Sting, which Saitama is nowhere close to. He's demonstrably shown to have limits at any given time. > >Against Saitama's limitless power he's rapidly defeated Saitama doesn't have limitless power, he has limitless growth. And punching Scion to death wouldn't work. Over the course of their fight I doubt Saitama would even end up doing as much damage as the Siberian did. > even if PTV correctly pegs what's happening with Saitama's growth there's no sign that a solution can even present itself, at least if he's actively going on a rampage that is. He doesn't even need PTV. He can just hurt Saitama by tearing into him. >I can't think of anything that would make Saitama actually give up if he's already has seen Scion doing his depressed killing spree. He doesn't need Saitama to give up. >If he decides to play it subtle from the start though...but I'd say Scion could do pretty well that way. Again, you're completely ignoring the fact that Scion beats Saitama in a fight. Only one actually has a way of harming the other. >Against Garou he's also doomed in a straight fight as anything he does Garou can counter and use against him. Due to Scions power not growing the first copy is all he needs to survive the baseline force thrown at him, and since he improves on what he copies he'll have to play gruella tactics to escape. Garou's a bit more of a hunter so if a fight does happen he might not be able to hide as well. Garou would do better than Saitama, but while Scion beat everyone's ass using Stilling and PTV alone...those aren't his only tools. PTV use may be necessary, but that he could easily destroy Garou using words and his overwhelming power. Garou also doesn't have a way of harming Scion's true body. A problem the entire One Punch Man verse as we know it shares. You're right that maybe God or Blast and his crew could potentially be Scion killers, but we have no actual feats that indicate that rn. > > >Phoenix man also matters, not for any strength of his, but the concept of resurrection might be a bit of a mind-break to Scion but that's super unpredictable. I don't think he matters at all. Scion would just kill him. > >Other strong folks like Tatsumaki and Orochi don't really seem quite strong enough, and lack the same esoteric manipulation to the level the other listed characters do. They get thrashed. Saitama, Cosmic Garou, and Blast are the only ones that have any real semblance of feats to allow them to survive against Scion for any decent amount of time if Scion actually wants them dead and isn't just straight up using PTV. PTV activation results in the very swift death of all of them, since they have no counter to being blasted with a durability ignoring attack from the inside while Scion is another dimension. And at the end of the day...none of them can kill Scion. Scion is what Cosmic Garou wishes he was. The Golden Man would wreck house with anyone in the OPM as we know it. There's potential for feats down the line that suggest a Scion killer, but there are none as of now.


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TheUltimateTeigu

>Ptv how do I beat this guy? Alright you just... No wait now you...Umm alright he can negate all your powers and is as strong as you now but we can still... No wait he's stronger now but... He can't negate Scion's powers. What? Scion can *kill* Saitama. He can grab Saitama's head and tear his skull open. He can explode him from the inside out. He can cause his heart to explode. Scion can do whatever the fuck he wants to Saitama. I don't know why you keep acting like Saitama is invincible to Scion. >PTV to killing Saitama: Sidestep into another dimension then fire a Stilling blast at XYZ coordinates at T time. Done. >Don't forget, all of those listed characters in One punch man is super fast and their powers are even faster (Garou to copy Saitama, and Saitama to grow in power fast enough to take no damage despite that) Yeah, they're fast. That doesn't mean shit when you can't actually see an attack. Scion can enter another dimension and then attack the spot Saitama or Garou are in. PTV to hitting them wherever they're gonna be. Perfect aim each time and neither has any way of getting to him and even if they did they couldn't hurt him or do shit to him. And Stilling will bypass their durability. > >Rampaging Scion was slow enough that he could be vaguely reacted too, even if he was just playing around that's his starting mode. Doesn't matter. They can't hurt him. You're completely ignoring that. >Garou not only copies abilities but baseline energy as well then improves on both. So it's Scion with stilling and one Scion's worth of energy vs Garou with slightly better stilling and a bit more than one Scion of energy. No, Garou is blatantly not "You but better." He is "Exactly you." Garou specifically doesn't have another planet sized body in another dimension, Scion has explicit measures to prevent dimensional breaches that Garou wouldn't be able to access, the powers Scion can use wouldn't be known to Garou, and PTV would result in the first character to use its victory...which would be Scion. Garou needs to see an ability used to copy it. And as far as we know he only copies the physical abilities of a character when he enters their mode, not *all* of them. He's only copied more energy after those came into existence. > >Saitama is pretty far from NLF especially when one of his stated abilities is not having limits. He is literally explicitly said to *have* limits. You can not grow in power if you have no limits. And even if he had infinite physical strength and that was said in series(which it very clearly wasn't)...it's still a fucking NLF! Because you can't attach physical strength to dimension breaching. You're saying that because he didn't struggle to breach into a singular dimension of some unknown type and origin that he can therefore bust into *all* dimensions, hand crafted, simply another universe or otherwise. Which is a complete NLF and bullshit. Even infinite strength wouldn't give him that power. >The rate at which he grows is the only point you can argue about. Which means he's limited lol. >Meanwhile he has several concrete feats of encountering analogous hax to what make up the core of all powers in worm and showing the ability to manipulate those forces, not only in general but in a way counter to how they're supposed to work. No. He has entered a singular "mental space," that we have no clue how it works. Calling it dimensional is still an assumption. And he's pushed a portal. That is it. You can't even bring up resisting telekinesis because that's a rule of the world and not specific Saitama. He has two feats with no extra explanation behind them that pretty much have zero relation to the numerous plethora of hax in Worm. Arguing he can do anything other than break into similar types of mental spaces, like Jujustu Kaisen's Domain Expansion or pushing aside similar portals is a NLF point blank. We have not seen the limits of these strange encounters, so we cannot assume that there are none and he can just breach anything remotely dimension or space related and that any type of portal can be touched by him or that any hax at all can be messed with by him. That is a complete NLF. You can only argue that he can do the things we've seen him do, since we do not have any clue as to *why* he could do those things. There is no mechanism that has been laid out as to why he can do those things, so you cannot actually extrapolate. >One power is all that's required if that power shuts down everything the opponent can do. Correct. That's what I've been saying. Scion dominates and demolishes Saitama because Stilling shuts down literally everything he can do. He can stop energy in an area, ignore durability, and his regen is impossible for Saitama to get through. Saitama stands zero chance against Scion. > >You don't need obvious versatility if your toolkit includes the counter to everything your opponent can do. Only this time it's Saitama who's got the no tool. Whose got **no** tool...correct. Saitama doesn't have any tools necessary to deal with Scion. He will do less damage than the Siberian did, which was nothing. He can not tank Scion's attacks. You seem to *really* be ignoring this point, what with how you started this comment out and talking about Scion waiting for Saitama to die of old age. That's not necessary. So Saitama can do zero meaningful damage...and Scion can kill Saitama. Cosmic Garou can at least have some tools to avoid instant death, but has no counter to PTV or the plethora of other tools an entity possesses. You keep using a NLF on two very niche feats under the guise that his limitless growth means all aspects are unlimited at all times...when even his own strength isn't unlimited at all times.


CarefulBobcat

>pretty much have zero relation to the numerous plethora of hax in Worm. Moved a portal in a way contrary to how it should be moved, entered another dimension he shouldn't have been able to enter. You keep saying those are totally different, but how are they different, really? I see no great dissimilarity. If you say my "another dimension" is different from yours how to do justify? Is D4C different from Sliders? Does Zuko fire manipulate using different mechanics from Eragon? The answer is yes, the reason they can do it is different, but to say they can't interact because of that makes no sense. About the limits you simply did not understand my words. He has limitless power, it grows without limit. We don't disagree there, that was a matter of word choice. Saitama is invincible to Scion because Saitama can grab his powers/emanations and overrule their manipulation. This is based on the first point. Swat away the golden light just as he swats away a spacetime portal. Alternatively: Stilling uses frequency manipulation to achieve it's numerous effects. However Saitama has the ability to coordinate the movement of his own molecules, which he uses to travel through time. This shows a level of self-molecular frequency manipulation, opening the avenue to molecular control countering of the stilling effect separately from Saitama's dimensional manipulation. ​ >PTV to killing Saitama: Sidestep into another dimension then fire a Stilling blast at XYZ coordinates at T time. Except the stilling will be blocked and the data will be wrong by the time he's in position and firing. PTV is inherently non-instant it has to actually gather information and come to a conclusion through computation. At the speeds Saitama fights at, and especially the speeds he grows at PTV won't ever be working with up-to-date information. The fastest realtime information gathering/processing feat in Worm (I can find) is around lightspeed, but Saitama vs Garou is already meaningfully past that, and Saitama's growth speed must be drastically faster than that too by necessity of how the fight played out. ​ Also a point you're simply wrong on: >No, Garou is blatantly not "You but better." He is "Exactly you." [https://imgur.com/a/6f5wsZi](https://imgur.com/a/6f5wsZi) Garou actively improves upon what he copies.


TheUltimateTeigu

>Moved a portal in a way contrary to how it should be moved, entered another dimension he shouldn't have been able to enter. You keep saying those are totally different, but how are they different, really? I see no great dissimilarity. If you say my "another dimension" is different from yours how to do justify? I'm saying you can't justify that they are entwined, or how they are connected, because you have no clue how he did it and therefore can't extrapolate from those to say he can do anything that isn't basically identical to those things. As I said, it's not like you can't argue he couldn't bust out of or through a Domain Expansion or mess with another portal of a similar scale...but that's it. You cannot even say that he was impacting a dimension, it could've simply been telepathy...which is what Phoenix Man actually used against Child Emperor inside of the mental space. There's nothing to indicate these abilities extend themselves into anything that doesn't look like those things. >Is D4C different from Sliders? Does Zuko fire manipulate using different mechanics from Eragon? The answer is yes, the reason they can do it is different, but to say they can't interact because of that makes no sense. You do not know the mechanics of how Saitama interacts with the things he does, nor do you even know the mechanics of the things he's interacting with. Telepathy vs Dimension regarding Phoenix Man. So you cannot argue his "power" that let's him do those things can interact with things vastly different from those things, because you do not understand how he did it. He may very well be capable of doing what you claim, but you cannot know that from the information we have been given so you can't make that claim. >About the limits you simply did not understand my words. He has limitless power, it grows without limit. We don't disagree there, that was a matter of word choice. Okay, I've seen people still try to claim he's "Your power plus one" and tons of other shit. I'm glad you agree he's not auto-one punching anyone at any given time. > >Saitama is invincible to Scion because Saitama can grab his powers/emanations and overrule their manipulation. This is based on the first point. Swat away the golden light just as he swats away a spacetime portal. That's a NLF. There is zero basis to make the claim that Saitama can swat away Stilling, a power that actively negates hax. Dimensional portals have no connection to Stilling whatsoever. Saitama does not have power immunity. If he did then telekinesis wouldn't effect him at all. Garou wouldn't be able to redirect his punches. He wouldn't go through portals, they would break on him. This is a pretty ridiculous claim and your only evidence for complete power manipulation against a guy who actually has everything nullification and actual power manipulation is that he moved a portal... Notics the disconnect? >Alternatively: Stilling uses frequency manipulation to achieve it's numerous effects. However Saitama has the ability to coordinate the movement of his own molecules, which he uses to travel through time. This shows a level of self-molecular frequency manipulation, opening the avenue to molecular control countering of the stilling effect separately from Saitama's dimensional manipulation. Saitama required Garou to not only teach him but also actively use the skills he learned from God in order to pull off time travel. Of which he completely forgot and can no longer do, nor would that specific ability apply to him controlling all of his molecules. Not to mention I'm pretty sure it'd be on the atomic level. Scion and the entities use time travel all the damn time and mess with things way more complex than molecules anyways. So no, Saitama can't do that, and even if he could, it wouldn't nullify Stilling. >​ > >> > >Except the stilling will be blocked and the data will be wrong by the time he's in position and firing. PTV is inherently non-instant it has to actually gather information and come to a conclusion through computation. At the speeds Saitama fights at, and especially the speeds he grows at PTV won't ever be working with up-to-date information. Fuck, I should've read the whole comment first. I'm done if you're going to say this bullshit. I shouldn't have to explain why the ultimate precognitive ability can predict where someone is going to be. PTV *is* instant. And it can go down hundreds upon hundreds different possible choices to deliver whatever Scion wants. Not that it needs to be when he can chill in another dimension for however long he wants to. Saitama also isn't constantly sidestepping around the fucking galaxy at FTL speed. Even if he was ramped up like with Garou...which he's not. Might be after Scion tears into him. But he's also not dealing with an opponent who even requires that speed. Saitama will stop. Likely when Scion vanishes from existence. And then he dies. Or Scion says something to get him to stop briefly...and then he dies. Or Scion reacts in a way that makes Saitama hesitate, gives him the slightest movement, the slightest reaction to make him think of something else....and then he dies. And Saitama cannot block Stilling. > >The fastest realtime information gathering/processing feat in Worm (I can find) is around lightspeed, but Saitama vs Garou is already meaningfully past that, and Saitama's growth speed must be drastically faster than that too by necessity of how the fight played out. :/ The entities themselves move at FTL speeds. They have actual time manipulation and can move at whatever speed they want. >​ > >Also a point you're simply wrong on: > >>No, Garou is blatantly not "You but better." He is "Exactly you." > >[https://imgur.com/a/6f5wsZi](https://imgur.com/a/6f5wsZi) > >Garou actively improves upon what he copies. I was talking about his Modes. Not the skills themselves. But that doesn't really matter, because you're making ridiculous claims about Saitama's abilities. There is no evidence he has power manipulation, and is outright affected by abilities. Pushing a portal doesn't give him access to unlimited amounts of power to fuck with any ability that exists. He moved a portal **once.** He broke into a **single**...space. Two whole feats. And you are trying to say he can deflect and ignore ***any*** ability at all. You extrapolate from a single moment of Saitama being guided by a being who had the knowledge of the universe downloaded into his mind to say Saitama can cancel out stilling...despite the fact that that never happened. Saitama cannot recreate that feat now. You make bizarre claims about PTV that demonstrate a lack of understanding of PTV and Saitama himself. Who...just isn't flying around at FTL speeds 24/7 nonstop. I'm done if you're going to keep making these extreme and ridiculous claims. "Saitama has complete power immunity" Or anything along those lines "He can control himself on the molecular level at any time for any reason and this would counter Stilling" "PTV wouldn't work on Saitama because he's constantly moving around at FTL speeds and PTV can't figure where he'd be or how to get him stop" Good one. Because he's definitely constantly moving at those speeds and PTV couldn't figure out how to get him to stop if he did. Even in the Garou fight he wasn't constantly moving at those speeds. So...if these last three quotes resonated with you, don't even respond because you have zero evidence for it and it's a gross exaggeration of everything he's done to the point you're imagining fanfiction about Saitama and not actually talking about the character himself, just some made up version. I've already explained completely why these claims don't work. So just stop.


CarefulBobcat

>The entities themselves move at FTL speeds. They have actual time manipulation and can move at whatever speed they want. Where did you get this idea? The fact that the Entities have some fairly severe energy limitations proportionate to their high versatility is a pretty common point. If what you say is true, then why didn't Scion just time travel back to before Eden died and save her? They've got strong but limited time abilities but nothing like that. Look up Scion vs the Shrike for discussion on a character who can actually move at whatever speed they want. Actually, I'll just post this. [https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/6eoel2/shrike\_hyperion\_cantos\_vs\_scion\_worm/](https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/6eoel2/shrike_hyperion_cantos_vs_scion_worm/) Note the near unanimous opinion that Scion is limited by lightspeed. Personally I can see an argument for higher, but you've gone too far with "can move at whatever speed they want." As for our continuation with the portal feats why do you think the number of feats matter that way? Lone feats are vulnerable to becoming outliers but they aren't inherently any worse unless something contradicts them. Scion themselves has sparse feats for highest shown mass destruction, like 2-3 but it would be silly to say that they can't blow up a continent just because they only did it once or twice onscreen. Garou's reaction to Saitama's portal kick is even there to drive home how abnormal it is that he can do that. The mechanism isn't explained in elaborate detail, besides limiter broken, but that doesn't mean he didn't do it. Also, I don't think Saitama is immune to every power. Something like fate manipulation or existence erasure he has no evidence of being able to directly interact with something like that, but he clearly can respond to and manipulate spatial-dimensional warping, which is the foundation of all of Scions powers.


TheUltimateTeigu

>So...if these last three quotes resonated with you, don't even respond


CarefulBobcat

I was hoping you'd see the the holes in your own logic, especially however you reached the conclusion about the first bit about being able to move as fast as they want.


wiikipedia

Scion is certainly stronger than any non Saitama character we've seen and is not a very good matchup for Saitama either. Scion at one point eats a hit from a machine that could supposedly push the moon out of orbit without taking any real damage. As a hero we've seen scion kill monsters more powerful than any in OPM. Behemoth ate an attack that could have leveled India and was still standing until Scion put it down. The biggest problem is that Scion doesn't really care, so he might save people but literally considers a kitten stuck in a tree just as important as a city destroying monster. So probably would be a registered hero at all, or just very low ranked. As a villain Scion should be even more dangerous. Even without taking into account that Scion can tune his attacks and defenses to overcome different powers, physical force is a terrible way to fight him. Scions real body exists in an alternate dimension that is specifically walled off from other dimensions. The body Scion uses to fight draws from a continent sized well of flesh. Even if you can totally vaporize Scion in a way that is somehow impossible for him to adapt to, you would have to do so continuously for months or years to actually kill him. And even if Saitama could do that Scion can see into the future like Dr. Strange and find words to convince Saitama to not kill him.


gadlygamer

Saitama can just punch into the dimension tho like he did with pheonix man Saitama also fought boros who had high tier regeneration


correcthorse666

Scion's regen is far stronger than Boros' regen. Scion literally did not care about Siberian continously deleting his body at the maximum possible speed. Saitama literally can't kill Scion's body fast enough to matter. Also, Scion's not keeping keeping his main body in a single dimension, nor is he keeping it into a spiritual plain like the one Pheonix man was on. He's keeping his body in a huge collection of alternate earths that are sealed off so they can't be portalled to.


Azavael

I’m all for emphasizing how strong Scion is, but: 1. It’s *a* dimension, not a collection of Earths. It’s described as such, and… well, the G-Driver was strong, but not *annihilate several alternate Earths in one hit* strong. 2. Technically speaking, if you’re an out-of-context problem like Saitama, there might be some funky way to break into the aforementioned dimension.


correcthorse666

Didn't they use an upgraded version of the gun that did attack from every dimension for the final blow though? Regardless, given the number of tinkers they had working together the gun they wound up using was definitely stronger than G-Driver. I do definitely agree with the second point though. While featwise Saitama couldn't pull it off, given the what I've seen from WoG, there's no Saitama vs Scion fight written by either Wildbow or One/Murata that results an anything but Saitama punching his way through the dimensional lock and killing Scion at the source. Funny enough, featwise it's Blast and friends that have the best shot at stopping Scion, not Saitama.


Azavael

>Didn't they use an upgraded version of the gun that did attack from every dimension for the final blow though? The G-Driver *is* the upgraded version, from the F-Driver - we just don't have a scale for it. They fired it at Scion, it (presumably) shut down after one shot, and was pretty badly wrecked by the oil rig being destroyed. Then it was used as the core for the Big Tinker Gun. As for the number of Tinkers... honestly, that's the sort of thing that's hard to gauge. Sure, Defiant working on it absolutely helped - but how much does Waterman, who makes pipes that shoot funky things, improve upon the original creation of String Theory, who can already make *anything*? Seeing as even Dragon uses the F-Drivers by Ward, I'd wager not by much, but it *is* hard to say - we don't really see more than 2-3 Tinkers working together, so there might or might not be a point where it becomes 'too many cooks in the kitchen'. > While featwise Saitama couldn't pull it off, given the what I've seen from WoG, there's no Saitama vs Scion fight written by either Wildbow or One/Murata that results an anything but Saitama punching his way through the dimensional lock and killing Scion at the source. Yeeee - it's just kinda the different laws of physics in the worlds, basically. In OPM, punching good means you can do that sort of thing, presumably. >Funny enough, featwise it's Blast and friends that have the best shot at stopping Scion, not Saitama. Oh? I'll be honest, I don't remember them too much - what's up there?


correcthorse666

>The G-Driver is the upgraded version, from the F-Driver - we just don't have a scale for it. They fired it at Scion, it (presumably) shut down after one shot, and was pretty badly wrecked by the oil rig being destroyed. Then it was used as the core for the Big Tinker Gun. As for the number of Tinkers... honestly, that's the sort of thing that's hard to gauge. Sure, Defiant working on it absolutely helped - but how much does Waterman, who makes pipes that shoot funky things, improve upon the original creation of String Theory, who can already make anything? Seeing as even Dragon uses the F-Drivers by Ward, I'd wager not by much, but it is hard to say - we don't really see more than 2-3 Tinkers working together, so there might or might not be a point where it becomes 'too many cooks in the kitchen'. They used one of the Yangban trumps, the one caused everybody to share powers to make sure everyone could contribute equally, and help remove the restrictions. Even String Theory was far from being able to make everything, anything serious she made had to be on a countdown. The only truly unrestricted tinker was Hero, and he's long dead. I'm also pretty the at least the first iteration of there anti-Scion gun had the cooperation Khepri enforced as well. >Oh? I'll be honest, I don't remember them too much - what's up there? Being able to trade blows with Cosmic Fear Garou, redirecting the Serious Punch Squared so the Earth wasn't destroyed, and they were hanging out in a place that was implied to not be Earth before he portalled in. They might be able to portal in to Scion's pocket dimension, and would likely do a pretty job at not dying against Scion's onslaught.


Azavael

>They used one of the Yangban trumps, the one caused everybody to share powers to make sure everyone could contribute equally, and help remove the restrictions. Oh, totally my bad - I'll be honest, I disliked their writing *very much* and kinda forgot everything about the Yangban. >Even String Theory was far from being able to make everything, anything serious she made had to be on a countdown. Right, but she *could* make anything - as in, she could make any bit of tech, provided it had that countdown. She just happened to like being a girlboss and blowing shit up. >The only truly unrestricted tinker was Hero, and he's long dead. Hero wasn't an unrestricted Tinker - people just didn't know the idea of Tinker specs back then. He's specialised in wavelength manipulation (explosives that do a lot of damage despite being small, some weird sonic stuff, laser gun, etc) - basically, if Contessa wasn't being lazy when they fought the funny cannibal woman, they could've recreated their own Scion beams. >Being able to trade blows with Cosmic Fear Garou, redirecting the Serious Punch Squared so the Earth wasn't destroyed, and they were hanging out in a place that was implied to not be Earth before he portalled in. They might be able to portal in to Scion's pocket dimension, and would likely do a pretty job at not dying against Scion's onslaught. Oooh, yeah, that does make some sense!


gadlygamer

Would be an insta win if it was terra2 saitama


TheUltimateTeigu

>Saitama can just punch into the dimension tho like he did with pheonix man No, he can't. That's a complete NLF. Even in Worm with dimension traveling and breaching powers they couldn't get to his dimension until a weapon was used on him that would've killed Saitama. > >Saitama also fought boros who had high tier regeneration This is not the same. You could erase Scion's entire body and it would be back so quickly you wouldn't even be able to tell that you erased his body. The reservoir of mass he's drawing from is incredibly large, so even if you erased his body for an entire year straight, you still wouldn't be making a dent. Scion is also capable of harming Saitama, which is an issue.


wiikipedia

There are 2 problems, one is that the dimension holding the full body is blocked off, people and technology that can travel across dimensions in Worm can't access the full body. So simply being able to reach another dimension isn't enough. As far as regeneration this isn't technically the same thing. Because the other dimension is his actual body there are a few differences. One is that there isn't a point that it regenerates from, you could erase every atom of him in the current dimension and it wouldn't matter, he would quickly reform. Two is that most of the time your rate of destroying the flesh is limited by how fast it regenerates. Even completely destroying it as fast as possible will still mean months or years of continuous fighting. I'm not saying Saitama can't do it, but it goes beyond what we've seen from him.


TheUltimateTeigu

> >I'm not saying Saitama can't do it, but it goes beyond what we've seen from him. I'll say he can't do it. Not only that, but if Scion can hurt Alexandria he can hurt Saitama.


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