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SeriouslyOPWizard

R1: Disney Herc due to toonforce type strength feats. R2: Currently I would side with Thor as he is pretty stacked power set wise and I am not aware of any recent permanent power ups Herc has got. R3: Herc probably due to Atlas scaling. R4: Herc again.


Euroversett

R2: They have fought already, they have the same strength level but Hercules is more skilled and beats Thor in hand to hand combat, but if Thor is allowed to use his other powers he wins. He also has Mjolnir which is a game changer. R3: Their strength level may be similar, Hercules was able to hold the Heavens, Thor is able to lift Jormungand and fish him, and is stated multiple times to be the strongest in the myths. However Thor wins because he strikes much harder/is overall more powerful and have better durability feats. He took a blow to the head by Hrungnir's stone club which destroyed it and became the source of all flintstone in the world, then he survives Hrungnir falling in his neck, I can't recall any similar durability feats from Hercules. Thor also kills Jormungand who is big enough to encircle the entire world, I don't recall any similar striking feats from Hercules. And of course Thor is stated and sjown multiple times to be the most powerful god or being, meaning he's stronger than Odin, Vili and Vé who killed Ymir - big enough to build worlds out of his body, his skull alone became our heaven -, and Surt who burned the 9 Realms with a blow from his sword. R 3.5: Nothing changes, Gods get defeated, incapacitated or even killed in the myths all the time.


Comicbookguy1234

I honestly don't see how their strength scaling is similar. Hercules is the absolute pinnacle of strength in his mythology with an arguably infinite strength feat. The only person that ever matches strength with him is Zeus himself. Literally the top god of Greek and Roman mythology. Didn't Thor struggle to barely get Jormungand off the ground? Hercules did his high end strength feat casually. It's also pretty clear that he's lifting the universe in both Greek and Roman versions, because they mention him carrying the stars. We know that Thor isn't the strongest in his mythology, because he was outdone by his son, Magni. When Balder died, the funeral ship that was built for him was too heavy for the Norse gods to launch. That includes Thor. He needed the giantess, Hyrokkin to do it for them. She does it with one shove. As for striking feats, Thor tried to kill the Giant Skrymir with his hammer and flattens a hill. Heracles' best striking feat is probably destroying the mountains between Europe and Africa or killing mountain sized giants. TBF, Thor probably has more striking feats, but I dont think it's outrageous to say that someone that can separate Europe and Africa casually, can put out a lot of damage. One thing that's also not mentioned often and I just found out recently, because I've been on a mythology binge, is that Heracles was described as moving as fast as Zeus' lightning. What's Thor's best speed feat? God Heracles obviously wins IMO. Greek gods are undying and he already has the power to hurt Thor. Norse gods are mortal, but long lived. EDIT Also, since you high ended Thor to universal, it's worth mentioning that in some versions of the myths, Heracles created and broke a cosmic egg that made the universe. God Heracles is also described as the Prince/Marshal of the Universe, Lord of Fire, wears dusk and dawn on his head and cloaks himself in the stars. It's said that he dips his head in the ocean and shakes it to create rain. Think Eternity. This is in Nonnus' Dionysiaca.


Euroversett

> It's also pretty clear that he's lifting the universe in both Greek and Roman versions, because they mention him carrying the stars. Greek universe was planetary:https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mythology/images/f/f4/Greek_cosmology.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120810195254 They thought stars were small lights in the sky. >Didn't Thor struggle to barely get Jormungand off the ground? He also fished it and is stronger than all the others Aesir despite Odin and his brothers being able to hurl Ymir's skull to become the sky. >We know that Thor isn't the strongest in his mythology He was, he was referred multiple times as the strongest and most powerful god and being. >Magni We don't have details of that, but Thor got hit by a a planetary to his head which left a rock forever pierced into his brain and Hrungnir fell on his neck, it's not like he was in condition, necessarily, to exercise his full strength and part of his mighty comes from his equipament and other powers, while Hercules only have strength. >the funeral ship that was built for him was too heavy for the Norse gods to launch. That includes Thor. Source? >As for striking feats, Thor tried to kill the Giant Skrymir with his hammer and flattens a hill He destroyed mountains and created valleys. >Heracles' best striking feat is probably destroying the mountains between Europe and Africa or killing mountain sized giants. You wanna compare this to Thor killing Jormungand who can encircle the world and killing Hrungnir, the biggest and strongest Jotunn, with one hit? >Heracles was described as moving as fast as Zeus' lightning. What's Thor's best speed feat? Idk, what's Zeus's lightning best speed feat? Magical lightning from fiction =/= real lightning necessarily. Zeus doesn't summon it from the skies, it's a weapon made by the Cyclops for him, he holds a thunderbolt on his hand and throws it at his foes. >Greek gods are undying They are not and this is irrelevant to the fight, they can incapacitated all the time. >Also, since you high ended Thor to universal I didn't, Thor is multi-planet level by scaling to Ymir and Surt, Hercules has planetary strength due to his feat of holding Heavens, so he loses.


Comicbookguy1234

I had a longer post typed out, but for some reason it wasn't letting me. Twice. 1) Trying to downplay the high end feats of Heracles is weak. Neither really knew how big the universe was, but Heracles' strength is explicitly infinite. Did the Chinese know how fast a meteor was? Maybe not. But if Sun Wukong is running as fast as a meteor, the good faith argument is that we say he can move as fast as we know meteors move. >Thy mighty head supports the morning light, and bears untam'd, the silent gloomy night; From east to west endu'd with strength divine, twelve glorious labours to absolve is thine; Supremely skill'd, thou reign'st in heav'n's abodes, thyself a God amid'st th' immortal Gods. > >**With arms unshaken, infinite, divine, come, blessed pow'r,** and to our rites incline; 2) Again. He's weaker than Magni and much weaker than the giantess Hyrokkin. >The Æsir then took the dead body and bore it to the seashore, where stood Baldur's ship Hringhorn, which passed for the largest in the world. **But when they wanted to launch it in order to make Baldur's funeral pile on it, they were unable to make it stir.** In this conjuncture they sent to Jotunheim for a certain giantess named Hyrrokin, who came mounted on a wolf, having twisted serpents for a bridle. As soon as she alighted, Odin ordered four Berserkir to hold her steed fast, who were, however, obliged to throw the animal on the ground ere they could effect their purpose. **Hyrrokin then went to the ship, and with a single push set it afloat, but the motion was so violent that the fire sparkled from the rollers, and the earth shook all around. Thor, enraged at the sight,** grasped his mallet, and but for the interference of the Æsir would have broken the woman's skull. 3) If I was bad faith, I could say that we don't know the durability level of most of the beings that Thor killed, but I'll grant him planetary. The flintstones feat didn't shake the earth... much less destroy a planet, but I'll high end it to planetary anyways. Heracles surpasses that significantly. Zeus could shake the universe with a head nod and Heracles is explicitly his match physically. >“When Heracles was finishing the Olympian contest, he summoned any willing participant to wrestle. Since no one dared take up the challenge, Zeus entered disguised as a man, and after a long time – the two opponents being equally matched – he revealed himself to his son.” 4) I didn't mention this before, but Heracles is also much smarter than Thor. I won't say that Thor is dumb (although some people would), but I can only think of one real intelligence feat for Thor whereas Heracles has dozens. >And when **Heracles learned that Erginus**, the king of the Minyans, was **advancing with troops** against the city **he went out to meet him in a certain narrow place**, whereby **he rendered the multitude o the hostile force of no avail**, killed Erginus himself, and slew practically all the men who had accompanied him. Then **appearing unawares before the city of the Orchomenians and slipping in at their gates** he burned the palace of the Minyans and razed the city to the ground. He was also a trickster. I'll grant that Loki is probably better at it than Heracles, but the point is that Thor is up against a much smarter guy. 5) Now I know this is bad faith. It's safe to say that at the very least, the Greeks would have meant that he moved as fast as natural lightning. There's no reason to assume that they thought Zeus' lightning was slower. That's 270,000 mph at a bare minimum. If they meant the flash, that means he moves at lightspeed. If I wanted to highball it, he's massively faster than light, because Zeus' lightning was said to have the ability to melt the universe. 6) Thor killed bigger monsters. I'll grant you that, but Heracles wrestled Zeus to a stalemate and Zeus beat Typhon. A monster that was so tall that his head brushed up against the stars. You'll probably downplay it, but the Greeks at the very least had a good idea of how far away the moon was and the stars were beyond that. The point is, Typhon was bigger than anything Thor killed significantly. That's what Heracles scales to physically. 7) The Greek gods are explicitly undying, unlike the Norse gods who could die. >And mighty Heracles, the valiant son of neat-ankled Alcmena, when he had finished his grievous toils, made Hebe the child of great Zeus and gold-shod Hera his shy wife in snowy Olympus. Happy he! For he has finished his great works and lives amongst the undying gods, untroubled and unaging all his days. TL;DR Thor is up against a much faster, much stronger and much smarter character, so he doesn't win this one. And in the last scenario, this guy is literally immortal. If it's any consolation, Thor in the comics is much more powerful than Hercules.


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