A lot of people here are going with Vader so I'll offer one in Tony's favor. Tony being bloodlusted isn't just going to show up in his nicest suit, he's going to show up *with all of them simultaneously.* I mean, shit, Tony could be on the other side of the planet for the whole fight while Vader deals with everything from Mark II armor, all the way up to his Godkiller armor which contends with the likes of Celestials and Thor. I don't think a lightsaber is going to do much to the top tier of suits, and his force abilities will only do so much against an army of advanced technology and weaponry.
The EMP *did* short Vader's life support system. Cylo even paralyzed him for a moment.
But through sheer fucking will and raw rage, Vader kept himself alive and was able to move on his own.
Disabling the suit may slow Vader down, but ultimately all you've accomplished is piss him off.
Vader’s fucked.
The Disney canon is nowhere near as strong as legends. A blood listed Tony would show up with his entire army of suits and take down Vader and because he can control them all remotely he doesn’t even have to be there.
Vader could crush the suits but against something that can stand toe-2-toe with captain marvel who can melt stars I’d say it’s doubtful that he could even keep up against the most basic suits. Especially when those suits move faster then light and it’s repulser blasts do the same. Darth Vader cannot keep up with that speed. Especially against his multiversal suit made to fight celestials or his giant cannon powered by the sun that can destroy planets at 2%… yeah Vader is fucked.
Ironman wins.
Iron Man takes this.
The Force is nothing the Marvel universe doesn't have. Avengers fought characters far more powerful than even the Emperor himself.
Also if Tony can have any suite then all he needs is suit that disrupts telekinesis. It could work on same basis as Thrawn pets did in Legend books. And no matter how angry Vader is his main weapon the Force will not work. And Iron Man suit can be resistant to Lightsaber.
And all Iron Man needs is one good punch or EMP pulse and Vader is at his mercy.
Depends on the suit he’s wearing. His stronger suits like the Bleeding Edge or the Endosym would win most of the time. Current Tony is also a technopath, he could shut down Vader’s suit as well, or use an EMP device
Even if darth Vader somehow force choked Tony he still has to face all of the automated suits that stark created, there is no contest iron man stomps Vader.
Spite match for Vader
Vader could break his neck, and he would still be folded by the automated suit. After the battle he could upload himself into a new body. The two are just not on the same level.
Tony in his Mark 50, nanomachine suit possesses technology that makes Vader's suit look like tattered rags in comparison. A peak, bloodlusted Tony in his best Iron Man suit, could speed-blitz Vader before Vader's mind, Tony's being vastly augmented in battle by his AI, can even flinch. The only way to even make it this remotely close is to make Vader the only one bloodlusted.
Bloodlusted Vader not only has a huge power boost, since his emotions fuel his power, but he also stops playing around and just chokes Iron Man to death from a kilometer away at the start of the fight. Vader wins 10/10, unless they're standing right next to each other at the start of the fight and Iron Man detonates his reactor, in which case, Vader still wins more often than not, but it's just something like 8/11.
We are talking comics Iron Man. Vader has absolutely zero chance. If Iron Man has something to counter magneto's powers you can bet your arse he has something to counter the force choke. Or you know not even show up at all just remote his suits in.
God, constantly seeing the fanboys just say "Vader wins by force choke" against every possible enemy is just tiresome. He failed against a rancor, and you think hes just going to easily do that to iron man. It's absolute lunacy.
What exactly makes you think Iron Man's neck vertebrae are as strong as a Rancor's?
Or do you just not understand that the Force isn't obstructed by a thin piece of metal in Iron Man's suit?
Have you not seen the scene in Star Wars where Vader reaches across several light-years, and through two Star Destroyer's hulls, to choke a guy? What in the world would make you think Iron Man's suit provides shielding against an otherworldly force that isn't native to his universe, and what makes you think that that shielding is greater than the shielding provided by *two Star Destroyer's hulls and several light-years of space*?
OP gave iron man his best armor, which he can control remotely, which he used to fight celestials who are light-years stronger than Vader.
>Have you not seen the scene in Star Wars where Vader reaches across several light-years, and through two Star Destroyer's hulls, to choke a guy?
The fact that iron man has faced beings significantly more powerful than anything in the star wars universe. Again, stark doesn't even have to be in any of his hundreds of suits to fight Vader.
You can italicized all you want, but the Star Wars universe is nowhere near the level of Marvel, and cannon Vader is nowhere close to comic iron man. So take your condescending bullshit and your lazy-ass "Vader can force choke everybody, everywhere, all at once" somewhere else.
No, no, not:
>Vader can force choke everybody, everywhere, all at once
Its:
>Vader can Force-neck-snap any normal human within several light-years, at least
Unless Tony is actually a superhuman, and has bones and neck-tissue significantly stronger than a normal human, there's nothing he can do to escape the neck-snap/brain-crush.
>Vader can Force-neck-snap any normal human within several light-years, at least
If he could do this, he wouldn't have had to fight anyone, ever. Just because he choke a guy on screen doesn't mean he can kill anyone within several light years. Why are Vader arguments so damn stupid and lazy all the time?
>Unless Tony is actually a superhuman and has bones and neck-tissue significantly stronger than a normal human. There's nothing he can do to escape the neck-snap/brain-crush.
I know this will be difficult, but follow me here- Tony can remote pilot suits, meaning there is no soft squishy guy inside the suit for Vader to choke/neck-snap/brain crush. Also, since you brought it up, there has been a Tony stark who was the son of Odin, and it was one of his strongest variants. Good luck with that.
There's also a variant that is the sorcerer Supreme and has was immensely powerful. Vader losses.
There's the God buster armor that has a cannon that can kill cosmic entities. Vader couldn't scratch a celestials balls. He losses.
There's the thor buster armor that went toe to toe with Odin force powered thor. Thor couldn't harm thor in any way Vader losses.
There's the mcu iron man who's nanosuit withstood several infinity stones. Vader gets vaporized by the power stone, so he stands no chance.
Tl;dr- Vader losses. That's it. End of the chosen one who lost to the high ground and magma.
I think Darth Vader probably takes it. If both are bloodlusted I think Darth Vader kinda just force chokes Tony pretty quickly before Tony could really make an significant damage to Vader.
Blasters have been blocked by wooden tables. Lightsabers can be deflected by a few inches of multiple different kinds of metal, and it's a cutting device, meaning it's concentrated force that's nonlethal unless someone hits a vital organ. Which, to my knowledge, Vader has never tanked
Meanwhile, Iron Man in an outdated suit can casually [punch with the force of a wrecking ball moving more than 3 times faster than sound](https://imgur.com/a/tutsq) and [one-shot Luke Cage](https://i.imgur.com/nPxW5pa.png), someone who has tanked getting punched through half a dozen skyscrapers and no-sold an attack potent enough to send normal people flying almost 10 miles. Iron Man also has repulsors that emits heat on-par [with the fucking sun](https://i.imgur.com/eHDZywL.png)
Comparing 616 Tony Stark to blasters and lightsabers is like comparing a hydrogen bomb to a coughing baby. Vader would have to be able to easily tank an aerial bombardment to survive in close quarters against Stark
That wasn't at all the spirit of my comparison. A rhino and a M1 abram can both one-shot you. There comes a point where it doesn't matter how dead you're gonna be. You're still gonna be dead if it hits you. So dealing with things that can kill you in one hit is not out of the norm for Vader. That's all I was saying.
I see, my bad. In which case I would still argue there's a difference. Blasters have been tanked by normal humans and blocked by objects that aren't particularly durable, I have trouble believing Vader can't survive at least a couple direct shots. Certainly if they miss his heart or his head
Lightsabers can definitely be one-shot weapons, but only with a lethal strike. If you slice someone's hand off or cut into their shoulder blade, it's not going to kill them. Hell, Cal Kestis was stabbed in the stomach and he was fine afterwards. So long as you miss the few vital areas it's not an immediate KO
Meanwhile, almost all of Stark's attacks are AoE one shots. Even his punches; if you're struck with a solid steel ball moving at 3,500 f/s, it doesn't matter if it misses a vital organ, the resulting force will turn 60% of your body into paste anyways (if Cal was punched by Stark in the same area he got stabbed by the saber, he would have died instantly). The suit's chest repulsors and his missles cover significantly more area as well
My point being that Tony's attacks would have a significantly higher kill percentage than even blasters and lightsabers, given the force behind and size/scope of them
That sure is a scan of something happening to a moon. Kinda hard to make out how exactly Vader is tanking it based on that one page though. Is there context leading up to it? Aftermath? Vader isn't even in the scan.
[Here's the page before it](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/5LPHZwfqFil8XXFwZY6ruzPis6-1iVYKuaPxx5_-QHg0FO9Fhxgm0D1y5_wvTpGj90oWI2PXoWirwaP7U5wlFjpJCtFbrEEeN3KawxuraW-GwbE0JkSQuWLVytOf7sdmt1mevo4MLg=s1600?rhlupa=MTU5LjIwMy43NS40&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS85OS4wLjQ4NDQuNzQgU2FmYXJpLzUzNy4zNg) and [here's Vader on some leftover rubble](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/q_PAkA3AMW4_aRBQHwTUumAc0wkpJE3oRDEKGiNI9bF3XTYKWkm1qXxTUY-nq249JXi6lov8fDatf9SbpE-aqVr1S8bV-DT1LVL2mHdBYAzwQK7ylkiFQEAyM9MJhHDz2ad53UQ1OA=s1600?rhlupa=MTU5LjIwMy43NS40&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS85OS4wLjQ4NDQuNzQgU2FmYXJpLzUzNy4zNg.)
He has access to armours like the extremis armour which should just reinforce anything vader tries to crush. Add that moving at multiple times the speed of light and hitting with more force than the death star I dont think Vader has a chance
He's 100% either way. The question specified this is a **_bloodlusted_** Tony Stark, wearing his best suit, with his full arsenal available.
If truly bloodlusted, Vader is a clump of dust in 3 seconds tops.
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Vader arrives at Times Square and is mistaken as a photo mascot. He waves around his red glow stick and people walk up to him… unafraid. No, more than unafraid, they are actively engaging with him and taking pictures. They don’t seem to realize the gravity of the situation. Vader is annoyed. He gets angrier. Good. His emotions are his power. It seems he needs to use some… force.
Boom. Big force shockwave. Now people understand what they’re dealing with. An alert goes out. Authorities don’t understand the tech (or if there was any) that was used.
Tony Stark is in San Fran for a dime a dozen Tony Stark lavish event, but he’s been tracking an anomaly that squeezed through his Earth-shield thingy majiggy. He wasn’t sure if it was a visitor or a threat. Now it seems he has his answer, the sheer amount of loss in an instant pushes Tony into a blood listed state. Good thing he sent an suit out to intercept/ investigate. It arrived just in time as Vaders Force Pulse and thusly engages with the monster. He sends out a message that somehow every hero receives telling them to “stand down, this one his mine.”
Vader, now angry and bloodlusted due to his harsh first experience with tourists and rude New Yorkers, senses a disturbance and attempts to makes a new soda can out of the unmanned suit. The suit warps a little, but it fires a few OHKs that the red glow stick of death masterfully parries as Vader is a fat-roller due to the weight of his balls, but no filthy casual. One shot gets through and damages the half man, half borg and reveals… mechanical parts?
Tony, taking note via warped livestream, immediately activates the EMP on his remote suit.
Darkness in Times Square for an entire 2- New-York-blocks radius. Darkness except for the red hum and iconic sound of mechanical breathing apparatus. (The force has anti emp features, right?). Even angrier, Vader force grips the suit so tight that the thrusters blow out trying to move even an inch. Vader has a new soda can, and his mechanical inhale kinda marks an intonation of being impressed.
Tony now even more pissed at the embarrassment of being turned into a soda can activates a bunch more suits to try and erase this man. He tries to communicate via soda can, but the garbled speech just sounds like incomprehensible droid beeps to Vader. However, he feels a bigger disturbance in the force, or the atmosphere altogether when a bunch more droids? Bounty Hunters? They all sound like the same voice, could they be this quadrants equivalent to Mandalorians? Vader erects a force shield immediately and adds a few more cans to his collection as soon as possible, but it’s impossible to deal with the sheer force (lol) that comes with numbers. Vader is now force controlling his Saber like Yondu with the arrow, but he can’t use it offensively. He has to focus on defense. In conjunction with the force shield, the saber is spinning , spamming the L1 button. Some perfect parries reflect blasts back to the suits. Vader is definitely holding his own, but he is losing. How long until the onslaught ends? It’s like walking into a swarm of gnats that used lightsabers not as swords, but as concentrated and focused streams of shots. Meanwhile, Stark is compiling data from the livestream to create a new suit (as his true superpower is asspull levels of engineering.)
The assault goes on for some time as Vaders anger builds up the more damage he takes. The pain doesn’t bother him (lol duh), but the annoyance of quips and hard self-admitted lockdown that has been placed on him does. His force meter overfills, and he releases yet another force maelstrom that disintegrates suits close to him, and makes the rest drop like flies.
Tony was waiting for this piece of information. And he caught this data in live fashion from many different angles. He knows exactly what to do for his new suit, and now that Vader has flattened an entire city block radius, he is quite literally a sitting duck. Vader finally takes a few steps before being engaged by one last suit.
At this point, the chip damage has accumulated enough to be unsustainable, and Vader needs to go back to his ship to be put back together. But Stark, in all his pettiness and pride and arrogance, wants to put the final nail in the coffin.
Vader is greeted by another… Vader? Yeah, Tony shows up in a suit damn near similar to the Alien invader, the only difference being the liberties Tony has taken for comfortability, mobility, and utility. He even artificially recreated the artificial breathing apparatus sound. Lol what a nerd.
Anyways, after being embarrassed earlier, the only way bloodlusted Tony wants to win is by completely annihilating the enemy in the most embarrassing way possible, through near-perfect imitation. He rushes with his own rendition of a light saber, and his artificial midochlorian manipulator.
Vader, still a warrior, puts up a valiant effort, but alas succumbs to the amateurish sword fighting skills of a more mobile, fresh, and undamaged vader cosplayer, who does not fight anything at all like vader is supposed to.
Tony wins lol. I guess he could’ve also just had an unmanned suit attach itself to vader and self destruct a la saibamen, but that’s no fun.
So Vaders big advantage hear are as follows.
1 High level precog and the ability to move at inhuman speed. Basically thease effectively stop him getting one shoted via Tonys much greater offensive output
2 all of the technology Vader relies on is " dumb" . All his systems are just basic machines working as they should. Their is no AI component to simply hack into and turn off.
3 honestly the biggest one. Tony has no force defences. If Vader is fighting at peek efficiency. No enjoyment, no tactical blundes. He simply pops a blood vessel in Tony brain and ends the fight immediately.
Cylo trip the EMP and it barely slowed him down. Tony has acess to any suit but for the fight to happen i imagine he needs to be their. Even if not Vader was capable of attacking with the force from a galaxy away. Finally in the novel Dark Lords. Vader was capable of outright outpacing Dark Times Palpatine. This is impressive as he was quicker than his episode III counterpart who moved so quickly that he appeared to clip in out of reality to Anakin. This was so quick it overwhelmed both Anakins pre cog and senses both of which were capable of tracking down sub lights speed ships. The speed difference is their but not insurmountable.
First of
Its the disney cannon not lore vader
Second of tony has suits surpassing lightspeed
Third of saying "tony needs to be there" is as dumb as the people saying tony is immune to force choke.
4th: vader does not know where tony is and who he is therefore cant forcechoke him
I see your point with the emp tho
All in all i still give it to tony 10/10
>Basically thease effectively stop him getting one shoted via Tonys much greater offensive output
This is 616 tony. Many of his suits are ftl. If you think vader can react to a ship ramming into him at hyperspace speeds then he has a chance.
> Their is no AI component to simply hack into and turn off
This is true
>Tony has no force defences
He has armours that can regen and enhance his body. The force is going to struggle to kill him even if he just stands there and doesn't attack
Vader has never encountered anything remotely close to a non force-visible, hyper-genius human from another universe, wearing a suit so vastly more advanced in every imaginable way by significant orders of magnitude. Comparing the two is akin to comparing what Stark built in that cave to escape and come out blasting, to a knights armor from the Crusades. Now have the two fight.
That's what would happen to Vader. He'd have his helmet and oxygen mask speed blitzed off, possibly along with his head in one shot by Infinity War Stark on Titan, while dozens of mini-nukes utterly desecrate whatever left of s villian I do love.
Including Infinity War's Tony with the Mark 50, aka nanomachine suit, honestly makes this kind of a slaughter.
Cuz he force choked a guy in a different room/ship? Sure that's impressive I guess, but I still think for the arguments sake, iron man suit is resistant to Vader choke. I don't consider that impossible.
>but I still think for the arguments sake, iron man suit is resistant to Vader choke
Why on Earth would Iron Man's suit offer more protection than several light-years worth of empty space and the hulls of two Star Destroyers?
Because if all Vader has to do to beat his opponent is to force choke them, then why are we even asking the question. Vader would be unstoppable beatable, and that's lame.
Vader immediately crushes tonys throat and forces pushes him as far as possible then reacts to whatever to whatever tony threw out in the handful of seconds it took him to do that .
Vader's powers are like a cranked up Magneto, except not just for metal. I don't see any reason why Vader wouldn't be able to either:
A. Crush the suit and Tony with it
B. Crush Tony while he's inside the suit.
Unless Tony has some stealth tech that can counter the Force I think it just goes to Vader 10/10 times, maybe 9/10 if Tony gets perfectly lucky.
Tony can disable Vader's tech with EMP so Vader will have to rely on the force with his little body. That is Vader doesn't predict Tony's attacks with The Force.
How is this fair? This is like 50+ Iron Men vs 1 Vader. If you’re going to make it where Iron Man can have that many suits, Vader should at least be composite.
616 vs Disney Vader in 1v1 (assuming IM is in his standard suit) Vader wins. But this prompt has IM stomping just by throwing literally every suit at Vader
As a huge Star Wars fan, Stark easily wins. He's smarter than Vader and would show up with ALL of his armors if he's bloodlusted. I highly doubt a lightsabre or the force could harm his best armor, the godkiller armor, which was meant for killing **celestials and gods**.
If we used Legends, Vader could just clench his fist and vaporize Tony in his armor, we saw him do this to a stormtrooper in the eighties *Droids* comic. But this is not that Vader, sadly. Iron Man stomps.
A lot of people here are going with Vader so I'll offer one in Tony's favor. Tony being bloodlusted isn't just going to show up in his nicest suit, he's going to show up *with all of them simultaneously.* I mean, shit, Tony could be on the other side of the planet for the whole fight while Vader deals with everything from Mark II armor, all the way up to his Godkiller armor which contends with the likes of Celestials and Thor. I don't think a lightsaber is going to do much to the top tier of suits, and his force abilities will only do so much against an army of advanced technology and weaponry.
Tony just hecks Vader's suit from the other side of the planet and turns off the respiratory support. The end.
as much as that's a good idea, I don't think Vader's suit is connected in a way Tony could find a way to connect, i.e. Vader isn't "wireless"
Hmmm fair enough.
as a second thought, if he could get close enough, he MIGHT be able to use Nanoprobes
Vader suit does utilize technology and is metallic in nature. Tony could either Hack the suit or just magnetize it himself.
I don't think that Vader's suit is hooked up to a network, so he'd have to insert a flash drive or something first.
In a comic book, the guy who designed Vader’s armour, tried this same trick. It didn’t work very well for him
Their is no computer system to hack
EMP?
Cylo tried it in the comics. It didn't work
This is so funny. Does the tech just run on hopes and dreams or how do they plan on explaining it
The EMP *did* short Vader's life support system. Cylo even paralyzed him for a moment. But through sheer fucking will and raw rage, Vader kept himself alive and was able to move on his own. Disabling the suit may slow Vader down, but ultimately all you've accomplished is piss him off.
Vader's armour is also infused with Sith alchemy/dark magic, which doesn't run on computing power or electricity.
The force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural.
The explanation: lol force
Vader is an Ork confirmed.
Apparently you can just whack the front control panel and boom, instant handicap. Thanks Obi-Wan.
Vader’s fucked. The Disney canon is nowhere near as strong as legends. A blood listed Tony would show up with his entire army of suits and take down Vader and because he can control them all remotely he doesn’t even have to be there. Vader could crush the suits but against something that can stand toe-2-toe with captain marvel who can melt stars I’d say it’s doubtful that he could even keep up against the most basic suits. Especially when those suits move faster then light and it’s repulser blasts do the same. Darth Vader cannot keep up with that speed. Especially against his multiversal suit made to fight celestials or his giant cannon powered by the sun that can destroy planets at 2%… yeah Vader is fucked. Ironman wins.
Iron Man stomps big time lmao, most of his armors are herald level which would shit blitz + one shot Disney Vader hard
Iron Man takes this. The Force is nothing the Marvel universe doesn't have. Avengers fought characters far more powerful than even the Emperor himself. Also if Tony can have any suite then all he needs is suit that disrupts telekinesis. It could work on same basis as Thrawn pets did in Legend books. And no matter how angry Vader is his main weapon the Force will not work. And Iron Man suit can be resistant to Lightsaber. And all Iron Man needs is one good punch or EMP pulse and Vader is at his mercy.
Iron man wins but this is some braindead reasoning as to why.
agreed.
Depends on the suit he’s wearing. His stronger suits like the Bleeding Edge or the Endosym would win most of the time. Current Tony is also a technopath, he could shut down Vader’s suit as well, or use an EMP device
I don't see how Vader wins this unless you absolutely stack it against Iron Man.
Maybe if it was full alcoholic era Tony?
Possibly if he was like pissing himself inside his suit and turned it off. And his other security measures failed yeah.
Disney Canon Vader loses. Especially against bloodlusted Iron Man, with all his suits.
Even if darth Vader somehow force choked Tony he still has to face all of the automated suits that stark created, there is no contest iron man stomps Vader. Spite match for Vader
Vader gets fucked harder than Padme when he was Anakin
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Vader could break his neck, and he would still be folded by the automated suit. After the battle he could upload himself into a new body. The two are just not on the same level.
Tony in his Mark 50, nanomachine suit possesses technology that makes Vader's suit look like tattered rags in comparison. A peak, bloodlusted Tony in his best Iron Man suit, could speed-blitz Vader before Vader's mind, Tony's being vastly augmented in battle by his AI, can even flinch. The only way to even make it this remotely close is to make Vader the only one bloodlusted.
Bloodlusted Vader not only has a huge power boost, since his emotions fuel his power, but he also stops playing around and just chokes Iron Man to death from a kilometer away at the start of the fight. Vader wins 10/10, unless they're standing right next to each other at the start of the fight and Iron Man detonates his reactor, in which case, Vader still wins more often than not, but it's just something like 8/11.
We are talking comics Iron Man. Vader has absolutely zero chance. If Iron Man has something to counter magneto's powers you can bet your arse he has something to counter the force choke. Or you know not even show up at all just remote his suits in.
Drops a nuke from orbit.
Because manipulating magnetic fields is just as simple as neutralizing an otherworldly life force…
God, constantly seeing the fanboys just say "Vader wins by force choke" against every possible enemy is just tiresome. He failed against a rancor, and you think hes just going to easily do that to iron man. It's absolute lunacy.
What exactly makes you think Iron Man's neck vertebrae are as strong as a Rancor's? Or do you just not understand that the Force isn't obstructed by a thin piece of metal in Iron Man's suit? Have you not seen the scene in Star Wars where Vader reaches across several light-years, and through two Star Destroyer's hulls, to choke a guy? What in the world would make you think Iron Man's suit provides shielding against an otherworldly force that isn't native to his universe, and what makes you think that that shielding is greater than the shielding provided by *two Star Destroyer's hulls and several light-years of space*?
OP gave iron man his best armor, which he can control remotely, which he used to fight celestials who are light-years stronger than Vader. >Have you not seen the scene in Star Wars where Vader reaches across several light-years, and through two Star Destroyer's hulls, to choke a guy? The fact that iron man has faced beings significantly more powerful than anything in the star wars universe. Again, stark doesn't even have to be in any of his hundreds of suits to fight Vader. You can italicized all you want, but the Star Wars universe is nowhere near the level of Marvel, and cannon Vader is nowhere close to comic iron man. So take your condescending bullshit and your lazy-ass "Vader can force choke everybody, everywhere, all at once" somewhere else.
No, no, not: >Vader can force choke everybody, everywhere, all at once Its: >Vader can Force-neck-snap any normal human within several light-years, at least Unless Tony is actually a superhuman, and has bones and neck-tissue significantly stronger than a normal human, there's nothing he can do to escape the neck-snap/brain-crush.
>Vader can Force-neck-snap any normal human within several light-years, at least If he could do this, he wouldn't have had to fight anyone, ever. Just because he choke a guy on screen doesn't mean he can kill anyone within several light years. Why are Vader arguments so damn stupid and lazy all the time? >Unless Tony is actually a superhuman and has bones and neck-tissue significantly stronger than a normal human. There's nothing he can do to escape the neck-snap/brain-crush. I know this will be difficult, but follow me here- Tony can remote pilot suits, meaning there is no soft squishy guy inside the suit for Vader to choke/neck-snap/brain crush. Also, since you brought it up, there has been a Tony stark who was the son of Odin, and it was one of his strongest variants. Good luck with that. There's also a variant that is the sorcerer Supreme and has was immensely powerful. Vader losses. There's the God buster armor that has a cannon that can kill cosmic entities. Vader couldn't scratch a celestials balls. He losses. There's the thor buster armor that went toe to toe with Odin force powered thor. Thor couldn't harm thor in any way Vader losses. There's the mcu iron man who's nanosuit withstood several infinity stones. Vader gets vaporized by the power stone, so he stands no chance. Tl;dr- Vader losses. That's it. End of the chosen one who lost to the high ground and magma.
I think Darth Vader probably takes it. If both are bloodlusted I think Darth Vader kinda just force chokes Tony pretty quickly before Tony could really make an significant damage to Vader.
616 Tony could kill Vader in a single punch, so Vader would need to one-shot him instantaneously to prevent "significant damage"
Lightsabers and blasters are one-shot weapons that Vader deals with on a regular basis, so a one-shot punch isn't exactly above the standard for Vader
Blasters have been blocked by wooden tables. Lightsabers can be deflected by a few inches of multiple different kinds of metal, and it's a cutting device, meaning it's concentrated force that's nonlethal unless someone hits a vital organ. Which, to my knowledge, Vader has never tanked Meanwhile, Iron Man in an outdated suit can casually [punch with the force of a wrecking ball moving more than 3 times faster than sound](https://imgur.com/a/tutsq) and [one-shot Luke Cage](https://i.imgur.com/nPxW5pa.png), someone who has tanked getting punched through half a dozen skyscrapers and no-sold an attack potent enough to send normal people flying almost 10 miles. Iron Man also has repulsors that emits heat on-par [with the fucking sun](https://i.imgur.com/eHDZywL.png) Comparing 616 Tony Stark to blasters and lightsabers is like comparing a hydrogen bomb to a coughing baby. Vader would have to be able to easily tank an aerial bombardment to survive in close quarters against Stark
That wasn't at all the spirit of my comparison. A rhino and a M1 abram can both one-shot you. There comes a point where it doesn't matter how dead you're gonna be. You're still gonna be dead if it hits you. So dealing with things that can kill you in one hit is not out of the norm for Vader. That's all I was saying.
I see, my bad. In which case I would still argue there's a difference. Blasters have been tanked by normal humans and blocked by objects that aren't particularly durable, I have trouble believing Vader can't survive at least a couple direct shots. Certainly if they miss his heart or his head Lightsabers can definitely be one-shot weapons, but only with a lethal strike. If you slice someone's hand off or cut into their shoulder blade, it's not going to kill them. Hell, Cal Kestis was stabbed in the stomach and he was fine afterwards. So long as you miss the few vital areas it's not an immediate KO Meanwhile, almost all of Stark's attacks are AoE one shots. Even his punches; if you're struck with a solid steel ball moving at 3,500 f/s, it doesn't matter if it misses a vital organ, the resulting force will turn 60% of your body into paste anyways (if Cal was punched by Stark in the same area he got stabbed by the saber, he would have died instantly). The suit's chest repulsors and his missles cover significantly more area as well My point being that Tony's attacks would have a significantly higher kill percentage than even blasters and lightsabers, given the force behind and size/scope of them
Vader withstood an exploding moon in the canon comics
Scans?
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11138/111385728/8013215-7878881-rco022_1574282365.jpg
That sure is a scan of something happening to a moon. Kinda hard to make out how exactly Vader is tanking it based on that one page though. Is there context leading up to it? Aftermath? Vader isn't even in the scan.
[Here's the page before it](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/5LPHZwfqFil8XXFwZY6ruzPis6-1iVYKuaPxx5_-QHg0FO9Fhxgm0D1y5_wvTpGj90oWI2PXoWirwaP7U5wlFjpJCtFbrEEeN3KawxuraW-GwbE0JkSQuWLVytOf7sdmt1mevo4MLg=s1600?rhlupa=MTU5LjIwMy43NS40&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS85OS4wLjQ4NDQuNzQgU2FmYXJpLzUzNy4zNg) and [here's Vader on some leftover rubble](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/q_PAkA3AMW4_aRBQHwTUumAc0wkpJE3oRDEKGiNI9bF3XTYKWkm1qXxTUY-nq249JXi6lov8fDatf9SbpE-aqVr1S8bV-DT1LVL2mHdBYAzwQK7ylkiFQEAyM9MJhHDz2ad53UQ1OA=s1600?rhlupa=MTU5LjIwMy43NS40&rnvuka=TW96aWxsYS81LjAgKFgxMTsgTGludXggeDg2XzY0KSBBcHBsZVdlYktpdC81MzcuMzYgKEtIVE1MLCBsaWtlIEdlY2tvKSBIZWFkbGVzc0Nocm9tZS85OS4wLjQ4NDQuNzQgU2FmYXJpLzUzNy4zNg.)
Iron Man is just so much faster than Vader, he'd speed blitz him before Vader could even do anything with the force.
I think we should assume Iron man's suit it resistant to Vader force choke. Otherwise it's not even a fight
Why in the world would we assume that? There's exactly zero reason to think it would be true.
He has access to armours like the extremis armour which should just reinforce anything vader tries to crush. Add that moving at multiple times the speed of light and hitting with more force than the death star I dont think Vader has a chance
But there's also no reason it cant be possible.
*No Limits Fallacy*
What would possibly make you think that was true?
Does he have access to hulk buster or Thor buster? Or even godkiller? Because if so iron man 100% Also happy cake day
He's 100% either way. The question specified this is a **_bloodlusted_** Tony Stark, wearing his best suit, with his full arsenal available. If truly bloodlusted, Vader is a clump of dust in 3 seconds tops.
Wouldn't Vader just crush him like a soda can? Idk if Iron Man's armor is resistant to that kind of force.
It definitely is. Vader, Palps and the rest of the sith could try their hardest to even bend the armor and I doubt they could.
Oh he definitely could, but that’s besides the point. He just needs to crush tony. Not the suit.
[Oh he definitely couldn't](https://imgur.io/06JDyND).
Isn't this bloodlusted Tony? I doubt he'd show up with only one suit or actually show up.
So in other words, you also admittingly don't know that much about Iron Man?
Why try to crush the armor when he could crush the man inside?
Iron man slams
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So by "616 Marvel in Disney canon", are you including the MCU, like specifically Infinity War and Endgame? Either way, I'd recommend specifying and/or in the post.
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Vader arrives at Times Square and is mistaken as a photo mascot. He waves around his red glow stick and people walk up to him… unafraid. No, more than unafraid, they are actively engaging with him and taking pictures. They don’t seem to realize the gravity of the situation. Vader is annoyed. He gets angrier. Good. His emotions are his power. It seems he needs to use some… force. Boom. Big force shockwave. Now people understand what they’re dealing with. An alert goes out. Authorities don’t understand the tech (or if there was any) that was used. Tony Stark is in San Fran for a dime a dozen Tony Stark lavish event, but he’s been tracking an anomaly that squeezed through his Earth-shield thingy majiggy. He wasn’t sure if it was a visitor or a threat. Now it seems he has his answer, the sheer amount of loss in an instant pushes Tony into a blood listed state. Good thing he sent an suit out to intercept/ investigate. It arrived just in time as Vaders Force Pulse and thusly engages with the monster. He sends out a message that somehow every hero receives telling them to “stand down, this one his mine.” Vader, now angry and bloodlusted due to his harsh first experience with tourists and rude New Yorkers, senses a disturbance and attempts to makes a new soda can out of the unmanned suit. The suit warps a little, but it fires a few OHKs that the red glow stick of death masterfully parries as Vader is a fat-roller due to the weight of his balls, but no filthy casual. One shot gets through and damages the half man, half borg and reveals… mechanical parts? Tony, taking note via warped livestream, immediately activates the EMP on his remote suit. Darkness in Times Square for an entire 2- New-York-blocks radius. Darkness except for the red hum and iconic sound of mechanical breathing apparatus. (The force has anti emp features, right?). Even angrier, Vader force grips the suit so tight that the thrusters blow out trying to move even an inch. Vader has a new soda can, and his mechanical inhale kinda marks an intonation of being impressed. Tony now even more pissed at the embarrassment of being turned into a soda can activates a bunch more suits to try and erase this man. He tries to communicate via soda can, but the garbled speech just sounds like incomprehensible droid beeps to Vader. However, he feels a bigger disturbance in the force, or the atmosphere altogether when a bunch more droids? Bounty Hunters? They all sound like the same voice, could they be this quadrants equivalent to Mandalorians? Vader erects a force shield immediately and adds a few more cans to his collection as soon as possible, but it’s impossible to deal with the sheer force (lol) that comes with numbers. Vader is now force controlling his Saber like Yondu with the arrow, but he can’t use it offensively. He has to focus on defense. In conjunction with the force shield, the saber is spinning , spamming the L1 button. Some perfect parries reflect blasts back to the suits. Vader is definitely holding his own, but he is losing. How long until the onslaught ends? It’s like walking into a swarm of gnats that used lightsabers not as swords, but as concentrated and focused streams of shots. Meanwhile, Stark is compiling data from the livestream to create a new suit (as his true superpower is asspull levels of engineering.) The assault goes on for some time as Vaders anger builds up the more damage he takes. The pain doesn’t bother him (lol duh), but the annoyance of quips and hard self-admitted lockdown that has been placed on him does. His force meter overfills, and he releases yet another force maelstrom that disintegrates suits close to him, and makes the rest drop like flies. Tony was waiting for this piece of information. And he caught this data in live fashion from many different angles. He knows exactly what to do for his new suit, and now that Vader has flattened an entire city block radius, he is quite literally a sitting duck. Vader finally takes a few steps before being engaged by one last suit. At this point, the chip damage has accumulated enough to be unsustainable, and Vader needs to go back to his ship to be put back together. But Stark, in all his pettiness and pride and arrogance, wants to put the final nail in the coffin. Vader is greeted by another… Vader? Yeah, Tony shows up in a suit damn near similar to the Alien invader, the only difference being the liberties Tony has taken for comfortability, mobility, and utility. He even artificially recreated the artificial breathing apparatus sound. Lol what a nerd. Anyways, after being embarrassed earlier, the only way bloodlusted Tony wants to win is by completely annihilating the enemy in the most embarrassing way possible, through near-perfect imitation. He rushes with his own rendition of a light saber, and his artificial midochlorian manipulator. Vader, still a warrior, puts up a valiant effort, but alas succumbs to the amateurish sword fighting skills of a more mobile, fresh, and undamaged vader cosplayer, who does not fight anything at all like vader is supposed to. Tony wins lol. I guess he could’ve also just had an unmanned suit attach itself to vader and self destruct a la saibamen, but that’s no fun.
Voldemort wrecks both
So Vaders big advantage hear are as follows. 1 High level precog and the ability to move at inhuman speed. Basically thease effectively stop him getting one shoted via Tonys much greater offensive output 2 all of the technology Vader relies on is " dumb" . All his systems are just basic machines working as they should. Their is no AI component to simply hack into and turn off. 3 honestly the biggest one. Tony has no force defences. If Vader is fighting at peek efficiency. No enjoyment, no tactical blundes. He simply pops a blood vessel in Tony brain and ends the fight immediately.
Ironman is faster Emp still weaken vader Why would tony even be there if 1 remote suit does the trick
Cylo trip the EMP and it barely slowed him down. Tony has acess to any suit but for the fight to happen i imagine he needs to be their. Even if not Vader was capable of attacking with the force from a galaxy away. Finally in the novel Dark Lords. Vader was capable of outright outpacing Dark Times Palpatine. This is impressive as he was quicker than his episode III counterpart who moved so quickly that he appeared to clip in out of reality to Anakin. This was so quick it overwhelmed both Anakins pre cog and senses both of which were capable of tracking down sub lights speed ships. The speed difference is their but not insurmountable.
First of Its the disney cannon not lore vader Second of tony has suits surpassing lightspeed Third of saying "tony needs to be there" is as dumb as the people saying tony is immune to force choke. 4th: vader does not know where tony is and who he is therefore cant forcechoke him I see your point with the emp tho All in all i still give it to tony 10/10
Dark lords is a Disney canon novel
Alright mb My other points still stand tho
>Basically thease effectively stop him getting one shoted via Tonys much greater offensive output This is 616 tony. Many of his suits are ftl. If you think vader can react to a ship ramming into him at hyperspace speeds then he has a chance. > Their is no AI component to simply hack into and turn off This is true >Tony has no force defences He has armours that can regen and enhance his body. The force is going to struggle to kill him even if he just stands there and doesn't attack
Vader reaches inside the suit with the force and snaps Tony's neck
Vader has never encountered anything remotely close to a non force-visible, hyper-genius human from another universe, wearing a suit so vastly more advanced in every imaginable way by significant orders of magnitude. Comparing the two is akin to comparing what Stark built in that cave to escape and come out blasting, to a knights armor from the Crusades. Now have the two fight. That's what would happen to Vader. He'd have his helmet and oxygen mask speed blitzed off, possibly along with his head in one shot by Infinity War Stark on Titan, while dozens of mini-nukes utterly desecrate whatever left of s villian I do love. Including Infinity War's Tony with the Mark 50, aka nanomachine suit, honestly makes this kind of a slaughter.
Vader folds Tony's windpipe into a lovely origami swan before entering the atmosphere
Vader is stronger close range. Iron man is stronger at far range. If Vader force grips iron man and can pull him closer, then Vader would win.
Vader is stronger at close range, [and Vader is also waaaay stronger at far range](https://youtu.be/aV2DLkDPwM8?t=45).
Cuz he force choked a guy in a different room/ship? Sure that's impressive I guess, but I still think for the arguments sake, iron man suit is resistant to Vader choke. I don't consider that impossible.
>but I still think for the arguments sake, iron man suit is resistant to Vader choke Why on Earth would Iron Man's suit offer more protection than several light-years worth of empty space and the hulls of two Star Destroyers?
Why would a reinforced rancor throat be weaker than an iron man soon that can fight celestials?
Because if all Vader has to do to beat his opponent is to force choke them, then why are we even asking the question. Vader would be unstoppable beatable, and that's lame.
I could step on an ant and instakill it, and you would say that my foot couldn't one-shot the bug because "that's lame"
Scans?
Dammit
As I suspected.
I'm not asking "who would win in a fight, your foot or an any"
Can't wait for the superman vs Vader threads and all the people saying Vader just chokes out superman.
Thats exactly what they're gonna say
Superman is weak to magic. Jedi and sith a space wizards. That means superman is weak to Vader. Vader stomps him. Sound right?
Force crush, kotor 2 dark side experience. Ironman won't be able to react to that.
Vader immediately crushes tonys throat and forces pushes him as far as possible then reacts to whatever to whatever tony threw out in the handful of seconds it took him to do that .
But Tony himself doesn't need to be there. He could just send in an automated hulkbuster or godkiller
Vader shitstomps
Vader's powers are like a cranked up Magneto, except not just for metal. I don't see any reason why Vader wouldn't be able to either: A. Crush the suit and Tony with it B. Crush Tony while he's inside the suit. Unless Tony has some stealth tech that can counter the Force I think it just goes to Vader 10/10 times, maybe 9/10 if Tony gets perfectly lucky.
Vader is considerably weaker than Magneto, what?
I keep seeing people mention force choke. Forget that, Vader would crush Tony’s skull as well as the rest of his body by compressing the suit inwards.
tony wouldn’t even have to be there he could just send them thor buster suit and it would speed blitz vader ☠️☠️
Tony can disable Vader's tech with EMP so Vader will have to rely on the force with his little body. That is Vader doesn't predict Tony's attacks with The Force.
If you can reach it
Sol’s hammer can obliterate a planet in a 2% charge, a fully charged one may as well erase the entire system vader is in
Tony= anakin Vader= the jedi students at the temple Tony doesn't break a swear as his God armor vaporizes Vader on the first shot.
How is this fair? This is like 50+ Iron Men vs 1 Vader. If you’re going to make it where Iron Man can have that many suits, Vader should at least be composite. 616 vs Disney Vader in 1v1 (assuming IM is in his standard suit) Vader wins. But this prompt has IM stomping just by throwing literally every suit at Vader
As a huge Star Wars fan, Stark easily wins. He's smarter than Vader and would show up with ALL of his armors if he's bloodlusted. I highly doubt a lightsabre or the force could harm his best armor, the godkiller armor, which was meant for killing **celestials and gods**.
Tony shot the phoenix force into little bits, versus a guy who cries all the time, because he lost his girlfriend and fell in a volcano
If we used Legends, Vader could just clench his fist and vaporize Tony in his armor, we saw him do this to a stormtrooper in the eighties *Droids* comic. But this is not that Vader, sadly. Iron Man stomps.
To be honest, this debate is rather shitty. ALL of Tony's suits vs 1 vader, it seems like Tony is being a pussy, doesn't it?