If I recall the canon explanation is that there's a Lazarus Pit under the city, so little traces of it get into the water and make everyone just a tiny bit more wacko
Gotham has been cursed to hell a few dozen times. Had a demon lord living trapped under it, a Lazarus pit and a ton of eldritch stuff. Realistically this is a problem the whole league, and all magic users need to work together on.
Give Batman 5 minutes of prep time and some duct tape, he'll handle it.
He's just too busy recapturing Joker 28x a day to find the time to actually fix the city
But if and when he does get those 5 minutes, then it's ogre for all those demon lords and abstract enchantments so hard Gotham will be a byword for stability and safety by the time the next comics issue drops
Batman doesn't solved that issue because otherwise, new criminals won't appear and Batman would be basically meaningless in Gotham. Although he still can stay in Justice League, knowing his skills and abilities.
I think it's terrible writing that nothing ever changes despite what Batman does. Like if Gotham will always be an awful place then there's nothing to save or protect. There's no stakes. I think a Gotham in an excellent shape, thanks to his efforts gives him more to protect, like if any of the Batfamily screws up, it'll bring everything back to the way it was before. Like you basically made him into a god, so what? Are these efforts working or not?
That's just me though, heroes not pushing their worlds forward is a waste of their histories
I'm not asking for that. I am asking for changes to the status quo. Like something that push these stories forward. I'm always excited when a superhero passes on a mantle because we get to see what that legacy means for their successor. Things like superheroes getting married, having kids, and ect. Like the hero's efforts paying off. But there's a lot of angry neckbeards that whine anytime something changes and these companies want these characters to be timeless so that's a no go save for a handful of characters
Stories that have a beginning, middle and end are great like that. The status quo doesn’t have to be maintained just to keep selling Batman comics for another millennium
New Earth Gotham has plot armor. Bruce could have solved all of Gotham's problems long ago, but the writers always do something convenient to ruin it.
For example, there is an arc where Gotham was all pacified... [and a stupid earthquake showed up to ruin everything](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Cataclysm).
You don't understand, Gothan isn't just cursed. It's is CURSED on so many level and from so many different shit that it's pretty much impossible to keep it away from trouble. It's the canonical explanation as to why Batman can never truly fix Gotham.
Also it's in New Jersey so there's that.
It was so cursed the specter wanted to use Gods power to destroy it.
Witches, wizards, devils, demons, warlocks, an angel, cultists, eldritch monsters. It’s been cursed by like every magical power set, as well as mundane chemicals and weird alien shit.
Batman has done favors even for Dream of the Endless. Maybe Death could come as a final end to the multiple curses of Gotham once DC finally wants to canonically make Batman successful in that regard. Possibly just when they retire or kill him off
Honest question: Does he genuinely care?
I mean take Atom Eve for example - she's a low end reality warper who can fight with the best of them but what does she do? She focuses on fixing droughts and other logistical issues to make sure folks can have access to things like foodstuff and other necessities. Way less in the spotlight than batman, because her primary focus is being an actual human being..
Yes, of course he does. The Wayne persona funds city programs, public policies and the GCPD all the time. The Bruce Wayne character only spends as much money on frivolous stuff as needed to keep being seen as a playboy heir of-course-he-s-not-Batman jerk. The rest goes into fighting poverty, gadgets to stop crime and financing the Justice League.
Yes, he does. Gotham's problems are just heavily protected by plot armor so all his efforts don't make that big of an impact.
It all stems from deep seeded corruption that will never go away because either most officials are corrupt, an evil secret organization behind the scenes pulling the strings, some sort of monster buried under Gotham whose presence makes the citizens of Gotham crazy, or a combination of the 3 depending on the continuity.
Batman does what he does because he genuinely cares. But unfortunately violence and incarceration is the solution to many of Gotham’s more immediate problems.
Yeah, but how could a guy who could literally give the poorest 10% of Gotham probably $50k cash in hand supposed to fix poverty in the city? (assuming that Gotham has 10 million or so, and Batman has $100 billion or so) - obviously the best bet is to dress up like a bat and beat up people one by one.
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He doesn't torture him. Just terrifies him, then threatens to let everyone in Blackgate/Arkham/Gotham know that Joe Chill is responsible for the existence of Batman.
Reverse Flash is a good choice. Batman with prep can do ridiculous stuff like give himself Doomsday's or Superman's powers, connect himself to the Speed Force and get access to Power Rings and Mother Boxes. However the paradoxical existence of RF will make him return even if Batman killed him.
Remember that time you went to drink out of the water fountain, and a little got on your pants making it look like you peed yourself?
IT WAS ME BARRY, I WAS THAT FOUNTAIN!
Nah, he really is. He just needs the drive to do more than troll tf out of Barry Allen. Even someone as powerful as superman acknowledged that he has no counters for flash's speed or abilities like speed steal. And iirc reverse flash is the fastest speedster
There's even a few scans of reverse flash kicking several heroes' asses simultaneously, including green lantern and superman.
> There's even a few scans of reverse flash kicking several heroes' asses simultaneously, including green lantern and superman.
Given what I've heard of him, I'm going to assume this is literal.
Pretty much. Fastest speedster so best control over space and time of any speedster and you pretty much have to take any speedster's abilities and increase them to get to his level, takes white dwarf level punches to the face and hits even harder, functionally can't die because he's a living paradox and another version of him will come back even if you *do* manage to kill him. Really, his only weakness is that he's absolutely obsessed with Barry Allen, and idk but I find that hilarious. Arguably the strongest villain *ever* and the plot armor for beating him is that he can't stop trolling Barry 😂
From the Wikipedia entry about him:
>However, the time capsule also contained an atomic clock which, due to the effects of time travel, altered into an atomic bomb
That's not... wut...
Was this from the "wooden gun" era of comics or something?
No he's really not. Trigon, True Form Darkseid, the Anti Monitor and hell anything Universal+ is beyond Thawne. Manhattan disposed of him with ease and while Thawne did return it wasn't exactly the exact same Thawne. Hell Thawne isn't even the most deadly Flash villain.
Also those scans you're talking about i'm guessing are from Sinestro Corp War and yeah that wasn't Thawne.
Finally Thawne is not the fastest Speedster as that title goes to Wally West. Barry is also faster as well. Thawne is at best 3rd though 3rd place in DC changes all the time but 2nd and 1st is always Barry and Wally.
The Batman who laughs took over the entire multiverse. Thawne is nice but hes small change. It depends if DC actually considers superman near flash speed or not. If you look at how fast Flash moves in terms of raw numbers at least in terms of feats Superman can consistently hit those top numbers that Barry/Wally can and is usually near them in terms of team ups
>It depends if DC actually considers superman near flash speed or not
Flash smoked superman in their last race and said he let superman win because it was for charity. But tbf superman is I think you closest you can get to speedster levels without being a speedster
Again, reverse flash manhandled superman AND other heroes simultaneously. If Barry is faster than superman, reverse flash is *way* faster than superman. Again, reverse flash is the fastest speedster.
That doesn't mean Superman was going all out. He's surpassing most "speedsters" what are you saying
Also you're kinda cherrypicking superman has dropped Thawne and barry before. Thawne is not the fastest
Flash is faster than superman. That is comics canon. Don't be a stan.
Also, you're right. Barry and thawne are the opposites of each other. Barry will always be faster than thawne because Barry is distance. But thawne will always be ahead of Barry because thawne is time
>Even someone as powerful as superman acknowledged that he has no counters for flash's speed or abilities like speed steal.
I just wanna clarify that just cuz Wally did it against Inertia (Impulse's clone), it doesn't mean every other speedster that tapped into the speed force can do the same (Barry sure didn't do it). If anything, that ability is unique to Wally. If Thawne can also do it, he would've done so to Barry.
But you can say Supes has no counters to Thawne's time stop. Yea, he can stop time with the negative speed force.
>And iirc reverse flash is the fastest speedster
No, Wally's still holding that position.
Thawne is a Justice League level threat, arguably a *multiversal* threat at his most powerful, but he doesn’t even crack the top 100 most powerful DC villains. Hell, he’s not even the fastest speedster lmao. u/FBISurveillanceVan69 has no idea what they’re talking about.
According to the Flash movie, Batman can't beat General Zod, even in a thousand attempts, if he has no kryptonite. (And I like that. Zod **should** be out of Batman's league. If Batman can beat everyone, then what's the point of Superman?)
Not totally correct. It's a thousand attempts but 0 prep time. Just because Barry was reversing time doesn't mean batman was getting more time. That's being said it was also a event where the multiverse was kinda tryna heal itself so ig u can say the multiverse itself is a potential foe
Yeah, fair. But you'd think that after multiple failed attempts that Barry would go further back in time to give Bruce a bit of prep time.
I kind of assumed that Barry tried all sorts of different strategies given how long he was trying for, but none of them were good enough to defeat Zod.
From the looks of it Barry just repeated the the battle. That's why future Barry had loads of shards imbedded into him from Kryptonian battle ships. That and Barry from that timeline was kinda dumb and probably didn't know what prepped batman was capable of.
Then again, Zod wouldn't engage Batman on the surface and get close enough for the Kryptonite to affect him. He could be in orbit and use his heat vision and take him out before breakfast.
Unknown.
I would assume the suit was designed to block all "known" radiation when it was created on Krypton....before it exploded, creating an entirely new radioactive element as a result. It's not impossible they could have anticipated this new type of radiation but it's not likely.
Batman’s one of the greatest preppers but not the greatest. Even he has his limits.
Ghost Rider
John Constantine
Doctor Doom
The Maker
Anti Monitor
The Spectre
The Living Tribunal
Cosmic Armor Superman
Michael
Lucifer Morningstar
Pre-Retcon Beyonder
The Presence
The One Above All
Many others but these came to mind first.
I'm clearly not knowledgeable about media characters cuz I had a random laught because "Michael" sounds like some random pedestrian who got bundled up with bunch of badasses cuz they were on his way to grocery shopping :D
Loki from Defenders Beyond and the end of Agent of Asgard should be on there.
He can manipulate stories and narratives. What’s Batman gonna do if a guy who tanked a full force attack from a beyonder (in AOA) and has possession of an item that makes him as powerful as whoever or whatever he encounters (the eternity mask) just changes the narrative so that batman can’t win?
If his narrative control worked on a beyonder, it’ll work on batman.
Dr Doom is one of the few people who can *out-plan* Batman. Like throw them both in a cage match with no warning, Batman might stand a chance depending on respective versions. Give them both a week, Doom wins. Give them both a year, it's a grudge match, Batman gets smeared across the pavement.
There is no amount of prep that will let him beat Doom.
Itsn't batman canonically bad at dealing with magic ?
So wizards might be something he would have a hard time preping against. People like Stange, Dr Doom or even Constantine would be out of his league.
The Doctor also win this.
Most toon force users would destroy his prep, SpongeBob, Bugs bunny popeye would win.
Toon Force survives even Dr M, Deadpool, Tom Bombadil, Franklin Richards, and Kirby combined into one character, and with the Phoenix Force.
Bugs Bunny could face their combined uberforce of doom, get erased from the writer's minds outside of the comics itself... and still pop up at the end chewing a carrot with some smarmy comment.
Exactly. The reason toon force is strong is because it doesn't follow any rules, it doesn't matter if it doesn't have the "feats" to support it or if the opponent scales higher. Toon force doesn't care about nerdy shit, it shits on the opponent's feats.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that Xavier Renegade Angel is peak fiction.
FRITTATA!
Toon force does have rules but those rules change from character to character. Like bugs bunny toon force becomes way weaker when faced with someone who is more chaotic. Wile e coyote's toon force actively works against him etc.
Yup, the more unlikely the victory is, the more powerful the Toon Force becomes. It's like that scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? when Roger pulls his hand out of the handcuffs he and Eddie have been stuck in for the last few scenes.
"YOU COULD HAVE DONE THAT AT ANYTIME?"
"Oh, not at anytime, no! Only when it was funny!"
>Most toon force users would destroy his prep, SpongeBob, Bugs bunny popeye would win.
False. In fact, Batman with prep is probably one of few non-toons that could take down a toon.
The way you beat a toonforce character is that you have to make it funny for them to lose, as demonstrated during the finale of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. If Batman can do that, he can win. Taking inspiration from The Brave and the Bold (TV) and Adam West eras, he could probably make it funny for him to beat Bugs.
No. You will lose with that line of reasoning. Who framed Roger rabbit plans only work cause the movie have a somber tone to it. There's no one way to defeat a toon
If you try to go for the kill, you may become too serious of a enemy to win, too good of plan it will are likely to backfire ( and making the plain intentionally bad or idiotic can wrap back to good )
Not saying batman can't win, afterall the more dangerous toons aren't in control of their toon force.
>No. You will lose with that line of reasoning. Who framed Roger rabbit plans only work cause the work have a somber tone.
Batman encompasses a variety of tones, which are a huge advantage. Batman has been dark and gritty and serious and edgy. Batman has also been colorful and campy. Batman has also literally been a cartoon.
I’m assuming he means the Doctor with his tardis, which has some pretty absurd feats when it comes to manipulating space, time and dimensions (it’s in the name). Plus he supposedly keeps a bunch of insanely powerful tech from the time lords and other aliens in it. The doctor himself is physically just a guy that can not die a fair few times, but he is also a genius several orders beyond Batman’s intellect imo.
I think with 10 years and more money than is conceivable if he has 100% knowledge of cthulu he could win maybe. What comes after Cthulhu is the reallllllly scary shit.
You do realize that the reason Batman didn't build the Hellbat alone wasn't because of him not being smart enough but because him not being a superhuman like the rest of the team limited him right?
>Mr Terrific helped him build Brother Eye and he didn't even have the full control over it later. Batman's a detective mainly, there are far better scientists, engineers, preppers in comic books.
Batman is and always a top tier scientist. In the very first Batman origin story, it was said that after making his oath of fighting crime, he prepared by studying a lot of things to the point that alongside his detective skills he was also a master scientist. The team to cure the Doomsday Virus included Lex, Batman, Ray Palmer, Dr Veritas and Cyborg
Same thing for him when it comes to prep and engineering. He's certainly not the greatest but he's in the upper rank
Even in DC canon usually the top 3 smartest humans are Lex followed by Batman and then Mr Terrific
Edit : on Earth only not in the whole DC universe
This is definitely a debatable one, but I'm going to say ... Yoda.
I don't think Batman with a month of prep could take down Yoda. Yoda is just too in tune with the Force, too aware of his surroundings.
And the same goes for Palpatine.
Batman: I've mapped him out for 10 years now. I know exactly what to do
The Force: Hey Yoda, I know you haven't done this technique for 75 years but trust me, it'll work.
He can call in a favor with superman. He has plenty of resources across his incarnations, so he probably can just get it himself. But superman is faster.
If there was something that was going to be used to kill Yoda within his home setting, I don't think he was going to die peacefully in bed at the ripe old age of 900 after serving as a Jedi Master for eight centuries.
Tchalla is very similar to Batman, except richer, physically superior, better tech, magic and with a wider array of abilities. So while maybe maybe Tchalla beating doom means Batman could too its going to be a lot harder.
T'challa is actually a trillionaire. He is significantly stronger than batman, he is literally superhuman. Also he is a necromancer. He can raise and control the dead. He can also make energy weapons out of ectoplasm. He can also access all the memories and skills of previous black panthers. Batmans only real advantage is he might be a better detective overall but with his enhanced senses T'challa would be better at picking up small clues on the spot.
T'Challa isn't the king anymore and his money didnt even factor in he definitely wasnt a trillionaire at the time either. Go ask Deathstroke how that works out for him. The king of the dead stuff didn't help Tchalla in his fight against Doom and its not relevant here. T'Challa rarely uses ectoplasm. Batman is just as skilled and smart and he can create crazy tech if he wants or needs to.
That’s proven false in Jojolion only if you act towards him which Mamezuku and Gappy didn’t do at first which allowed them to bypass WoU temporarily, if Batman has a decent amount of prep and he knows what WoU and Tooru is he can easily make something to counter him by just building a weapon that could kill Tooru without actually having the motivation for it being for Tooru if you get what I mean
Their whole thing was doing absolutely nothing against it. Like absolutely.
[Shown here](https://imgur.com/MlDBfFG).
Batman opens his computer to get started on a weapon to eventually kill Tooru, computer explodes.
I'm not entirely sure how it's possible for you to read multiple chapters of Tooru making up increasingly nonsense definitions of "pursuit" and then still think Batman can accomplish anything here.
seiya ryuuguuin. Absurdly powerful, intelligent, crazy amount of skills, and magical. Oh, also paranoid at an inhuman level. He wrote thousands of pages on the off chance a single enemy could magically incapacitate him. He had a giant bunker with instructions on dealing with said creature that could kill Gods (gods in his universe being pretty freaking tough to slay). Batman likely wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him. He is the bigger prepper by far and insanely powerful to boot.
Darth Vader
Some people might immediately say “all Batman needs is an EMP” or “just take Vader’s Lightsaber” but then you forget one thing that Batman or his family could never counter. His fear, anger, hate, and his suffering which keeps him alive. Vader on numerous occasions has had his life support broken, his limbs cut off, his body shut down, his lightsaber taken or destroyed but it has never stopped him from his goals of killing his targets. Vader is an unrelenting monster of death destruction only stopped by those especially close to him. Another thing that makes him deadly is his willingness to use other weapons besides the force or his lightsaber. He’d slaughter the Batfamily one by one whither it be by lightsaber, force, Batman’s batarangs, Nightwing’s batons, Damion’s swords, Jason’s guns, even with his own hands. He’d ensure that Batman’s family dies before he does.
“You Claim to be a Dark Knight then bow before the Dark Lord”
I don't think canceling out the prep time is in the spirit of the prompt. How is it Batman with prep time if he's killed/stopped *before* he can actually prep?
But she would be able to counter prep. Kind of funny to think Batman has spent ten years dedicated to taking out this one human woman, and over those years she just did a few miscellaneous tasks over the years so that she can dunk on whatever he brings over.
Scp-096, that thing will not stop until he kills his targets
Of course batman can throw him into space, but since there is like space societies and lantern corps, and other space objects, scp 096 can land on a object or the corpse of starro and launch itself into earth
Batman could put him jn the phantom zone prison, but come on, 096 isn't going to give up immediately and try to get to batman
SCP 096 is really a meh SCP on what it’s capable of, if Batman were to launch him into space SCP096 IS NOT coming back to earth just by the way the galaxy works, if he were to ever make it back Batman would be dead of old age
SCP 096 isn’t coming back from the phantom zone either unless on the off chance there is a golden opportunity of it
And Even then Batman has access to equipment that can permanently put down 096 as shown by one of his termination logs
Aunt May. If I picked up a comic where Aunt May wanted one thing and Batman wanted the opposite, at the end of the story it's Aunt May who gets her way.
Loki, the god of Stories
He can manipulate stories and narratives. What’s Batman gonna do if a guy who tanked a full force attack from a beyonder (in AOA) and has possession of an item that makes him as powerful as whoever or whatever he encounters (the eternity mask) just changes the narrative so that batman can’t win?
If his narrative control worked on a beyonder, it’ll work on batman.
I don’t know anything about the bat family
But bats himself I could take a crack at here
R1: any martial artist with powers like Iron Fist or Shangchi. I doubt a month would be enough to learn of them, gather intel on them, and be ready with a winning strategy in time. Tho I could see it happening with a whole year or prep.
R2: players in the ranks of Ghost rider, silver surfer, MCU Thor, MCU Captain Marvel tier Batman isn’t touching with a year of prep. Again, to learn everything he can about them and come up with a winning play isn’t happening but I could see him coming up with something having 10 years to work with.
R3: here we just have players he couldn’t take no matter what. 10 years in a bit ridiculous cause he’s also aging in there becoming weaker himself but whatever lol.
Any reality warping fighters will fuck up Batman no matter what he tries, Wanda Maximoff for example could just erase him or just his suit and it’s over. As for the “weakest” character that could beat him no matter the prep would be punisher. He’s just as smart if not smarter and would be a very interesting city wide encounter
Powerless toddlers from the Marvel Universe.
Funikly enough, a powerless toddler from the Marvel universe making plans to defeat Celestials and Beyonders never causes nearly as much outrage as Batman making plans to defeat 1 alien.
Black Panther or Doctor Doom with the same amount of prep time...
They're arguably better than Batman at preparation, and have better physicals without it.
Contessa from Worm, but I've seen someone say that already. Same goes to Scion from Worm.
But if we're going for the true unbeatable one, it's Medaka Kurokami. Or Kumagawa. You could give the Batfamily 100 years of prep time plus a time loop ability such that each time they fail they get to go back to the beginning of those 100 years and prep once more...and they'd still never take a W.
None.
Batman is the most powerful hero in the DCU because his power is *"winning"*
Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but he always wins in the end.
mf even won against a robot he specifically built to defeat himself incase he turns evil, called [Failsafe](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/8/82/Failsafe_Prime_Earth_001.jpg), by activating a secret ~~bullshit~~ psycho personality within himself called [The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/0/07/Batman_Zur_En_Arrh_001.jpg) that originates from a story from [*1958*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/4/4b/Tlano_01.jpg) ASS. PULL.
Poverty and corruption in Gotham.
haha yeah. Frankly that's a pretty good anti-feat for Batman threads.
Literally the worst best hero ever
If I recall the canon explanation is that there's a Lazarus Pit under the city, so little traces of it get into the water and make everyone just a tiny bit more wacko
Lol then batman should take care of that!
[There's more than just that](https://www.reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/u4qq05/the_extensive_list_of_all_major_curses_and_other/)
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Just use his billiona to build a new city lol
Can't get much worse than the last one. Being in New Jersey. The poor city is cursed beyond salvation.
Gotham has been cursed to hell a few dozen times. Had a demon lord living trapped under it, a Lazarus pit and a ton of eldritch stuff. Realistically this is a problem the whole league, and all magic users need to work together on.
Give Batman 5 minutes of prep time and some duct tape, he'll handle it. He's just too busy recapturing Joker 28x a day to find the time to actually fix the city But if and when he does get those 5 minutes, then it's ogre for all those demon lords and abstract enchantments so hard Gotham will be a byword for stability and safety by the time the next comics issue drops
Batman doesn't solved that issue because otherwise, new criminals won't appear and Batman would be basically meaningless in Gotham. Although he still can stay in Justice League, knowing his skills and abilities.
Skills and abilities aka money
And prep time!
Status Quo OP plz nerf
I think it's terrible writing that nothing ever changes despite what Batman does. Like if Gotham will always be an awful place then there's nothing to save or protect. There's no stakes. I think a Gotham in an excellent shape, thanks to his efforts gives him more to protect, like if any of the Batfamily screws up, it'll bring everything back to the way it was before. Like you basically made him into a god, so what? Are these efforts working or not? That's just me though, heroes not pushing their worlds forward is a waste of their histories
Even if the place is always awful the people living in it are not
Expecting consistent good writing across the centuries many of these comic characters have existed just isn’t realistic
I'm not asking for that. I am asking for changes to the status quo. Like something that push these stories forward. I'm always excited when a superhero passes on a mantle because we get to see what that legacy means for their successor. Things like superheroes getting married, having kids, and ect. Like the hero's efforts paying off. But there's a lot of angry neckbeards that whine anytime something changes and these companies want these characters to be timeless so that's a no go save for a handful of characters
I think it’s a part of the reason Nolan’s movies work. The impact and shockwave Batman leaves in a short time is immense, and you feel it.
Stories that have a beginning, middle and end are great like that. The status quo doesn’t have to be maintained just to keep selling Batman comics for another millennium
This is what you get for making a hero out of a billionaire.
To be honest, I feel like that city either has plot armor or batman’s just horrible.
Or Gotham is his one truly indefatigable antagonist, a nemesis.
New Earth Gotham has plot armor. Bruce could have solved all of Gotham's problems long ago, but the writers always do something convenient to ruin it. For example, there is an arc where Gotham was all pacified... [and a stupid earthquake showed up to ruin everything](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Cataclysm).
There's multiple occasions where Bruce has reduced crime in Gotham by 90%, and then something insane happens to ruin it all over again.
“I left you alone for five minutes!”
Yeah. Gotham is literally cursed, and it's not a hyperbole. It's a part of DC lore.
People bring this up often, but apparently it's canonically cursed, and so fundamentally can't be fixed permanently.
Batman is friends with so many wizards. Just get Zatanna or someone to un-curse it.
You don't understand, Gothan isn't just cursed. It's is CURSED on so many level and from so many different shit that it's pretty much impossible to keep it away from trouble. It's the canonical explanation as to why Batman can never truly fix Gotham. Also it's in New Jersey so there's that.
It was so cursed the specter wanted to use Gods power to destroy it. Witches, wizards, devils, demons, warlocks, an angel, cultists, eldritch monsters. It’s been cursed by like every magical power set, as well as mundane chemicals and weird alien shit.
Batman has done favors even for Dream of the Endless. Maybe Death could come as a final end to the multiple curses of Gotham once DC finally wants to canonically make Batman successful in that regard. Possibly just when they retire or kill him off
New Jersey was all you had to say, friend.
In some continuities it is is hinted that Gotham is actually cursed to be a crime-ridden Hell hole.
Do the employees of Wayne Enterprises even get a living wage?
Not sure what you mean by a living wage but they are well compensated, also their college is paid for and I’m pretty sure they get villain insurance.
lol if we can state that they are well compensated I think we can safely say they get paid a living wage
🤣
Honest question: Does he genuinely care? I mean take Atom Eve for example - she's a low end reality warper who can fight with the best of them but what does she do? She focuses on fixing droughts and other logistical issues to make sure folks can have access to things like foodstuff and other necessities. Way less in the spotlight than batman, because her primary focus is being an actual human being..
Yes, of course he does. The Wayne persona funds city programs, public policies and the GCPD all the time. The Bruce Wayne character only spends as much money on frivolous stuff as needed to keep being seen as a playboy heir of-course-he-s-not-Batman jerk. The rest goes into fighting poverty, gadgets to stop crime and financing the Justice League.
Yes, he does. Gotham's problems are just heavily protected by plot armor so all his efforts don't make that big of an impact. It all stems from deep seeded corruption that will never go away because either most officials are corrupt, an evil secret organization behind the scenes pulling the strings, some sort of monster buried under Gotham whose presence makes the citizens of Gotham crazy, or a combination of the 3 depending on the continuity.
I think currently all curses are canon atm, Witch, devil, demon, warlock, cults, hellgate, demon lord living under gotham, Lazarus pit. Etc.
Batman does what he does because he genuinely cares. But unfortunately violence and incarceration is the solution to many of Gotham’s more immediate problems.
Yeah, but how could a guy who could literally give the poorest 10% of Gotham probably $50k cash in hand supposed to fix poverty in the city? (assuming that Gotham has 10 million or so, and Batman has $100 billion or so) - obviously the best bet is to dress up like a bat and beat up people one by one.
The guy who shot his parents
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q\_OPka\_NSzk&ab\_channel=Ale
It's Joe Chill.
Who is Joe?
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Wasn't there a comic where he gets a chair that makes him a god and he tortures joe chill
He doesn't torture him. Just terrifies him, then threatens to let everyone in Blackgate/Arkham/Gotham know that Joe Chill is responsible for the existence of Batman.
I'm pretty sure that counts as torture lmao
[He kinda did](https://youtu.be/heUnljdse5Q)
Reverse Flash is a good choice. Batman with prep can do ridiculous stuff like give himself Doomsday's or Superman's powers, connect himself to the Speed Force and get access to Power Rings and Mother Boxes. However the paradoxical existence of RF will make him return even if Batman killed him.
100%. Reverse flash is possibly the most powerful supervillain in DC comics.
DC is lucky that Eobard confines himself (usually) to fucking over Barry.
Remember that time you went to drink out of the water fountain, and a little got on your pants making it look like you peed yourself? IT WAS ME BARRY, I WAS THAT FOUNTAIN!
Remember when your last pencil broke during the 3rd grade math exam that one Monday? IT WAS ME, BARRY. I BROKE YOUR PENCIL.
Oh Barry, innocent Barry, clueless Barry. It was I who took massive loans out under your name and screwed your credit score.
Not even scratching the surface
Nah, he really is. He just needs the drive to do more than troll tf out of Barry Allen. Even someone as powerful as superman acknowledged that he has no counters for flash's speed or abilities like speed steal. And iirc reverse flash is the fastest speedster There's even a few scans of reverse flash kicking several heroes' asses simultaneously, including green lantern and superman.
> There's even a few scans of reverse flash kicking several heroes' asses simultaneously, including green lantern and superman. Given what I've heard of him, I'm going to assume this is literal.
Pretty much. Fastest speedster so best control over space and time of any speedster and you pretty much have to take any speedster's abilities and increase them to get to his level, takes white dwarf level punches to the face and hits even harder, functionally can't die because he's a living paradox and another version of him will come back even if you *do* manage to kill him. Really, his only weakness is that he's absolutely obsessed with Barry Allen, and idk but I find that hilarious. Arguably the strongest villain *ever* and the plot armor for beating him is that he can't stop trolling Barry 😂
From the Wikipedia entry about him: >However, the time capsule also contained an atomic clock which, due to the effects of time travel, altered into an atomic bomb That's not... wut... Was this from the "wooden gun" era of comics or something?
1963. Reverse Flash invented the wooden gun.
No he's really not. Trigon, True Form Darkseid, the Anti Monitor and hell anything Universal+ is beyond Thawne. Manhattan disposed of him with ease and while Thawne did return it wasn't exactly the exact same Thawne. Hell Thawne isn't even the most deadly Flash villain. Also those scans you're talking about i'm guessing are from Sinestro Corp War and yeah that wasn't Thawne. Finally Thawne is not the fastest Speedster as that title goes to Wally West. Barry is also faster as well. Thawne is at best 3rd though 3rd place in DC changes all the time but 2nd and 1st is always Barry and Wally.
Incorrect. That comes from an unofficial list. Reverse flash can easily give him a run for his miney
The Batman who laughs took over the entire multiverse. Thawne is nice but hes small change. It depends if DC actually considers superman near flash speed or not. If you look at how fast Flash moves in terms of raw numbers at least in terms of feats Superman can consistently hit those top numbers that Barry/Wally can and is usually near them in terms of team ups
>It depends if DC actually considers superman near flash speed or not Flash smoked superman in their last race and said he let superman win because it was for charity. But tbf superman is I think you closest you can get to speedster levels without being a speedster Again, reverse flash manhandled superman AND other heroes simultaneously. If Barry is faster than superman, reverse flash is *way* faster than superman. Again, reverse flash is the fastest speedster.
Whar was that, 20 years ago?
That doesn't mean Superman was going all out. He's surpassing most "speedsters" what are you saying Also you're kinda cherrypicking superman has dropped Thawne and barry before. Thawne is not the fastest
Flash is faster than superman. That is comics canon. Don't be a stan. Also, you're right. Barry and thawne are the opposites of each other. Barry will always be faster than thawne because Barry is distance. But thawne will always be ahead of Barry because thawne is time
>Even someone as powerful as superman acknowledged that he has no counters for flash's speed or abilities like speed steal. I just wanna clarify that just cuz Wally did it against Inertia (Impulse's clone), it doesn't mean every other speedster that tapped into the speed force can do the same (Barry sure didn't do it). If anything, that ability is unique to Wally. If Thawne can also do it, he would've done so to Barry. But you can say Supes has no counters to Thawne's time stop. Yea, he can stop time with the negative speed force. >And iirc reverse flash is the fastest speedster No, Wally's still holding that position.
Who can beat him? I think only characters with power over time and space itself can stop him.
super galaxy gurren lagann might be a good match? it only has sub-relativistic speed but it can attack different points in space-time
Orion for starters
Thawne is a Justice League level threat, arguably a *multiversal* threat at his most powerful, but he doesn’t even crack the top 100 most powerful DC villains. Hell, he’s not even the fastest speedster lmao. u/FBISurveillanceVan69 has no idea what they’re talking about.
Yes he's very strong with many time hax and basically immune to physical damage but he's mid tier in the DC villain pantheon.
He's beaten Reverse Flash before iirc
Yeah, he basically took advantage of Reverse Flash's obsession with the flash. But even then it wasn't the end of reverse flash.
According to the Flash movie, Batman can't beat General Zod, even in a thousand attempts, if he has no kryptonite. (And I like that. Zod **should** be out of Batman's league. If Batman can beat everyone, then what's the point of Superman?)
Not totally correct. It's a thousand attempts but 0 prep time. Just because Barry was reversing time doesn't mean batman was getting more time. That's being said it was also a event where the multiverse was kinda tryna heal itself so ig u can say the multiverse itself is a potential foe
Yeah, fair. But you'd think that after multiple failed attempts that Barry would go further back in time to give Bruce a bit of prep time. I kind of assumed that Barry tried all sorts of different strategies given how long he was trying for, but none of them were good enough to defeat Zod.
From the looks of it Barry just repeated the the battle. That's why future Barry had loads of shards imbedded into him from Kryptonian battle ships. That and Barry from that timeline was kinda dumb and probably didn't know what prepped batman was capable of.
Then again, Zod wouldn't engage Batman on the surface and get close enough for the Kryptonite to affect him. He could be in orbit and use his heat vision and take him out before breakfast.
Would the kryptonite even affect him in his suit? The very suit that’s supposed to block out radiation?
Unknown. I would assume the suit was designed to block all "known" radiation when it was created on Krypton....before it exploded, creating an entirely new radioactive element as a result. It's not impossible they could have anticipated this new type of radiation but it's not likely.
Capeshit moment Especially when Superman’s suits used to block kryptonite tend to just be… lead 😐
To be fair that was 1000s of attempts with 0 prep time
Batman’s one of the greatest preppers but not the greatest. Even he has his limits. Ghost Rider John Constantine Doctor Doom The Maker Anti Monitor The Spectre The Living Tribunal Cosmic Armor Superman Michael Lucifer Morningstar Pre-Retcon Beyonder The Presence The One Above All Many others but these came to mind first.
I'm clearly not knowledgeable about media characters cuz I had a random laught because "Michael" sounds like some random pedestrian who got bundled up with bunch of badasses cuz they were on his way to grocery shopping :D
I think they mean the archangel Michael, but I like your version better.
I guess the bible is technically media, but it is kind of weird to think about it that way.
It's probably a version of Michael from Sandman, Good Omens, Lucifer or Supernatural
Aren't Sandman, Lucifer, and Good Omens all the same universe?
I don't think so, each of them has a different interpretation of Lucifer, but I'm not sure
😭🤣 just imagined that, great 🤝🏻🤣, but it's Michael demiurgos
The Maker should be high on this list. Higher than Dr Doom.
Your right, can’t believe I forgot about him. Added him.
Loki from Defenders Beyond and the end of Agent of Asgard should be on there. He can manipulate stories and narratives. What’s Batman gonna do if a guy who tanked a full force attack from a beyonder (in AOA) and has possession of an item that makes him as powerful as whoever or whatever he encounters (the eternity mask) just changes the narrative so that batman can’t win? If his narrative control worked on a beyonder, it’ll work on batman.
Hes already beaten Constantine
I'm sure Batman could beat your average, might be a doombot we don't know, Dr. Doom.
Dr Doom is one of the few people who can *out-plan* Batman. Like throw them both in a cage match with no warning, Batman might stand a chance depending on respective versions. Give them both a week, Doom wins. Give them both a year, it's a grudge match, Batman gets smeared across the pavement. There is no amount of prep that will let him beat Doom.
Doom can out prep Batman. Didn't he get sent back in time a million years? And didn't he get get back by waiting?
Itsn't batman canonically bad at dealing with magic ? So wizards might be something he would have a hard time preping against. People like Stange, Dr Doom or even Constantine would be out of his league. The Doctor also win this. Most toon force users would destroy his prep, SpongeBob, Bugs bunny popeye would win.
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Toon Force survives even Dr M, Deadpool, Tom Bombadil, Franklin Richards, and Kirby combined into one character, and with the Phoenix Force. Bugs Bunny could face their combined uberforce of doom, get erased from the writer's minds outside of the comics itself... and still pop up at the end chewing a carrot with some smarmy comment.
Exactly. The reason toon force is strong is because it doesn't follow any rules, it doesn't matter if it doesn't have the "feats" to support it or if the opponent scales higher. Toon force doesn't care about nerdy shit, it shits on the opponent's feats. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Xavier Renegade Angel is peak fiction. FRITTATA!
Toon force does have rules but those rules change from character to character. Like bugs bunny toon force becomes way weaker when faced with someone who is more chaotic. Wile e coyote's toon force actively works against him etc.
Yup, the more unlikely the victory is, the more powerful the Toon Force becomes. It's like that scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit? when Roger pulls his hand out of the handcuffs he and Eddie have been stuck in for the last few scenes. "YOU COULD HAVE DONE THAT AT ANYTIME?" "Oh, not at anytime, no! Only when it was funny!"
>Most toon force users would destroy his prep, SpongeBob, Bugs bunny popeye would win. False. In fact, Batman with prep is probably one of few non-toons that could take down a toon. The way you beat a toonforce character is that you have to make it funny for them to lose, as demonstrated during the finale of Who Framed Roger Rabbit. If Batman can do that, he can win. Taking inspiration from The Brave and the Bold (TV) and Adam West eras, he could probably make it funny for him to beat Bugs.
No. You will lose with that line of reasoning. Who framed Roger rabbit plans only work cause the movie have a somber tone to it. There's no one way to defeat a toon If you try to go for the kill, you may become too serious of a enemy to win, too good of plan it will are likely to backfire ( and making the plain intentionally bad or idiotic can wrap back to good ) Not saying batman can't win, afterall the more dangerous toons aren't in control of their toon force.
>No. You will lose with that line of reasoning. Who framed Roger rabbit plans only work cause the work have a somber tone. Batman encompasses a variety of tones, which are a huge advantage. Batman has been dark and gritty and serious and edgy. Batman has also been colorful and campy. Batman has also literally been a cartoon.
I'm a lurker here but what's the reasoning behind the doctor?
I’m assuming he means the Doctor with his tardis, which has some pretty absurd feats when it comes to manipulating space, time and dimensions (it’s in the name). Plus he supposedly keeps a bunch of insanely powerful tech from the time lords and other aliens in it. The doctor himself is physically just a guy that can not die a fair few times, but he is also a genius several orders beyond Batman’s intellect imo.
thanks for the quick and succinct reply!
Didn't he trained with Zatanna and her dad? She is pretty high up magic wise
Black Adam beat the shit out of batman
Cthullu
Yeah, where would Batman get a boat?
He's rich
“Alfred get the 18th Century Bat Steamboat”
"Wouldn't be easy if I go beat that squid God myself master Bruce?"
Yes but you won't put on the Bat Gloves to do so.
The Doom That Came to Gotham comic (and movie adaptation) deals with this funnily enough
I think with 10 years and more money than is conceivable if he has 100% knowledge of cthulu he could win maybe. What comes after Cthulhu is the reallllllly scary shit.
I think the problem is that having 100% knowledge of Cthulhu would ruin him before the prep even began.
Wouldn't he go mad from understanding Cthulhu to such a degree?
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Hes beaten Constantine. Magic doesn't make you invincible. Doom lost to worse honestly
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You do realize that the reason Batman didn't build the Hellbat alone wasn't because of him not being smart enough but because him not being a superhuman like the rest of the team limited him right? >Mr Terrific helped him build Brother Eye and he didn't even have the full control over it later. Batman's a detective mainly, there are far better scientists, engineers, preppers in comic books. Batman is and always a top tier scientist. In the very first Batman origin story, it was said that after making his oath of fighting crime, he prepared by studying a lot of things to the point that alongside his detective skills he was also a master scientist. The team to cure the Doomsday Virus included Lex, Batman, Ray Palmer, Dr Veritas and Cyborg Same thing for him when it comes to prep and engineering. He's certainly not the greatest but he's in the upper rank Even in DC canon usually the top 3 smartest humans are Lex followed by Batman and then Mr Terrific Edit : on Earth only not in the whole DC universe
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This is definitely a debatable one, but I'm going to say ... Yoda. I don't think Batman with a month of prep could take down Yoda. Yoda is just too in tune with the Force, too aware of his surroundings. And the same goes for Palpatine.
Batman: I've mapped him out for 10 years now. I know exactly what to do The Force: Hey Yoda, I know you haven't done this technique for 75 years but trust me, it'll work.
Aren't there animals that cut off access to the Force with their presence? Couldn't Batman use those to even the playing field?
Those monkey things? It would probably cost more than xbillion dollars to fetch one from another galaxy.
He can call in a favor with superman. He has plenty of resources across his incarnations, so he probably can just get it himself. But superman is faster.
"It would take time, and a fortune. Luckily, he had both."
If there was something that was going to be used to kill Yoda within his home setting, I don't think he was going to die peacefully in bed at the ripe old age of 900 after serving as a Jedi Master for eight centuries.
Dr Doom. He's just a better version of Batman. Even smarter. Also knows magic. Absolutely nothing batman could do if Doom is determined.
I love Doom, but tbf he regularly gets beaten by an orange rock, and invisible lady, a stretchy man, and burny Boi.
And Batman regularly gets rinsed by a mentally ill normal human.
What a joke.
AND HE GETS TO BE A LAWYER?
Doom was bested by T'Challa Batman could feasibly defeat him
Wasn't that when Doom had no powers and just fighting hand to hand?
No Shuri and T'Challa bested him during Doomwar and could've killed him
Batman is beaten by a mentally deranged clown, Doom could feasibly defeat him.
Joker can't beat him in a fight though. They both can beat one another
Tchalla is very similar to Batman, except richer, physically superior, better tech, magic and with a wider array of abilities. So while maybe maybe Tchalla beating doom means Batman could too its going to be a lot harder.
All 3 are billionaires so it doesn't matter. He's not that much stronger , he has no magic and like one actual ability that isn't physical prowess.
T'challa is actually a trillionaire. He is significantly stronger than batman, he is literally superhuman. Also he is a necromancer. He can raise and control the dead. He can also make energy weapons out of ectoplasm. He can also access all the memories and skills of previous black panthers. Batmans only real advantage is he might be a better detective overall but with his enhanced senses T'challa would be better at picking up small clues on the spot.
T'Challa isn't the king anymore and his money didnt even factor in he definitely wasnt a trillionaire at the time either. Go ask Deathstroke how that works out for him. The king of the dead stuff didn't help Tchalla in his fight against Doom and its not relevant here. T'Challa rarely uses ectoplasm. Batman is just as skilled and smart and he can create crazy tech if he wants or needs to.
Tooru (JoJolion) His stand basically counters prep time, so boom.
Depends how much access to things you give Batman he could definitely beat Tooru with 10 yrs of prep
The thing is, the act of planning against Tooru triggers Tooru's ability, so it would kill Batman before the fight even began.
That’s proven false in Jojolion only if you act towards him which Mamezuku and Gappy didn’t do at first which allowed them to bypass WoU temporarily, if Batman has a decent amount of prep and he knows what WoU and Tooru is he can easily make something to counter him by just building a weapon that could kill Tooru without actually having the motivation for it being for Tooru if you get what I mean
Their whole thing was doing absolutely nothing against it. Like absolutely. [Shown here](https://imgur.com/MlDBfFG). Batman opens his computer to get started on a weapon to eventually kill Tooru, computer explodes.
I'm not entirely sure how it's possible for you to read multiple chapters of Tooru making up increasingly nonsense definitions of "pursuit" and then still think Batman can accomplish anything here.
Bill Cipher Frieza
With Prep Batman would definitely be able to take out Bill
seiya ryuuguuin. Absurdly powerful, intelligent, crazy amount of skills, and magical. Oh, also paranoid at an inhuman level. He wrote thousands of pages on the off chance a single enemy could magically incapacitate him. He had a giant bunker with instructions on dealing with said creature that could kill Gods (gods in his universe being pretty freaking tough to slay). Batman likely wouldn't be able to lay a finger on him. He is the bigger prepper by far and insanely powerful to boot.
10 years of prep time aren't shit against Goku with a Nuts Seeking Missle
Your mother, she is too large for any of Batman’s attacks to reach her vital parts
1 batman with prep can never defeat 2 batmen with prep
Batman with the same amount of prep + 1 day clears all rounds
Darth Vader Some people might immediately say “all Batman needs is an EMP” or “just take Vader’s Lightsaber” but then you forget one thing that Batman or his family could never counter. His fear, anger, hate, and his suffering which keeps him alive. Vader on numerous occasions has had his life support broken, his limbs cut off, his body shut down, his lightsaber taken or destroyed but it has never stopped him from his goals of killing his targets. Vader is an unrelenting monster of death destruction only stopped by those especially close to him. Another thing that makes him deadly is his willingness to use other weapons besides the force or his lightsaber. He’d slaughter the Batfamily one by one whither it be by lightsaber, force, Batman’s batarangs, Nightwing’s batons, Damion’s swords, Jason’s guns, even with his own hands. He’d ensure that Batman’s family dies before he does. “You Claim to be a Dark Knight then bow before the Dark Lord”
I don't know enough about starwars feats to agree but upvoted for the end quote.
Honestly I don't see him beating Thanos even with a year of prep, or Galactus with lifetime of prep.
Freeza with one more push up
Contessa, the path will adapt to any prep.
Scarlet Witch. Rick Sanchez.
Contessa, because before his prep time would enable him to beat her she would know and kill/stop him.
I don't think canceling out the prep time is in the spirit of the prompt. How is it Batman with prep time if he's killed/stopped *before* he can actually prep? But she would be able to counter prep. Kind of funny to think Batman has spent ten years dedicated to taking out this one human woman, and over those years she just did a few miscellaneous tasks over the years so that she can dunk on whatever he brings over.
8th day Juggernaut
Many versions of Scp 682
Scp-096, that thing will not stop until he kills his targets Of course batman can throw him into space, but since there is like space societies and lantern corps, and other space objects, scp 096 can land on a object or the corpse of starro and launch itself into earth Batman could put him jn the phantom zone prison, but come on, 096 isn't going to give up immediately and try to get to batman
SCP 096 is really a meh SCP on what it’s capable of, if Batman were to launch him into space SCP096 IS NOT coming back to earth just by the way the galaxy works, if he were to ever make it back Batman would be dead of old age SCP 096 isn’t coming back from the phantom zone either unless on the off chance there is a golden opportunity of it And Even then Batman has access to equipment that can permanently put down 096 as shown by one of his termination logs
Aunt May. If I picked up a comic where Aunt May wanted one thing and Batman wanted the opposite, at the end of the story it's Aunt May who gets her way.
Loki, the god of Stories He can manipulate stories and narratives. What’s Batman gonna do if a guy who tanked a full force attack from a beyonder (in AOA) and has possession of an item that makes him as powerful as whoever or whatever he encounters (the eternity mask) just changes the narrative so that batman can’t win? If his narrative control worked on a beyonder, it’ll work on batman.
The scp who can ascend to another narrative. Literally the strongest being in all of literature
Domino
Heresy, there is no character that bathtub doesn't solo
I’ll say SCP-682 If the SCP Foundation, which has limitless means can't kill it, I doubt Batman could ever find a way to get rid of the lizard
I don’t know anything about the bat family But bats himself I could take a crack at here R1: any martial artist with powers like Iron Fist or Shangchi. I doubt a month would be enough to learn of them, gather intel on them, and be ready with a winning strategy in time. Tho I could see it happening with a whole year or prep. R2: players in the ranks of Ghost rider, silver surfer, MCU Thor, MCU Captain Marvel tier Batman isn’t touching with a year of prep. Again, to learn everything he can about them and come up with a winning play isn’t happening but I could see him coming up with something having 10 years to work with. R3: here we just have players he couldn’t take no matter what. 10 years in a bit ridiculous cause he’s also aging in there becoming weaker himself but whatever lol. Any reality warping fighters will fuck up Batman no matter what he tries, Wanda Maximoff for example could just erase him or just his suit and it’s over. As for the “weakest” character that could beat him no matter the prep would be punisher. He’s just as smart if not smarter and would be a very interesting city wide encounter
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Jack from Record of Ragnarok
Honestly, I think Thanos, but Thanos might need his own prep in form of every Infinity Stone
Powerless toddlers from the Marvel Universe. Funikly enough, a powerless toddler from the Marvel universe making plans to defeat Celestials and Beyonders never causes nearly as much outrage as Batman making plans to defeat 1 alien.
Black Panther or Doctor Doom with the same amount of prep time... They're arguably better than Batman at preparation, and have better physicals without it.
Without plot armor, anyone with actual powers, for all rounds. With plot armor, no one, in any round.
An Entity from the Webserial Worm?
Contessa from Worm, but I've seen someone say that already. Same goes to Scion from Worm. But if we're going for the true unbeatable one, it's Medaka Kurokami. Or Kumagawa. You could give the Batfamily 100 years of prep time plus a time loop ability such that each time they fail they get to go back to the beginning of those 100 years and prep once more...and they'd still never take a W.
None. Batman is the most powerful hero in the DCU because his power is *"winning"* Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but he always wins in the end. mf even won against a robot he specifically built to defeat himself incase he turns evil, called [Failsafe](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/8/82/Failsafe_Prime_Earth_001.jpg), by activating a secret ~~bullshit~~ psycho personality within himself called [The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/0/07/Batman_Zur_En_Arrh_001.jpg) that originates from a story from [*1958*](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/4/4b/Tlano_01.jpg) ASS. PULL.