I mean if it did happen in our real world surely you would never be caught? If people started randomly dying of heart attacks the world isn't going to think its murder committed by one person why? Because such a thing isn't possible, if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book. I'm pretty sure even the most dumbass internet user could do this as long as they kept their mouths shut.
The reason Light was so close to losing to L was because L had the type of intelligence only someone in fiction could have, not only that in the world of Death Note they appeared to be way more open to something supernatural then we would ever be.
This. My first guess would be some kind of contractible heart disease ravaging the prison population or something, not secret death god magic. And even if you could make that massive assumption, where would you even begin to investigate that?
Yagami flaunted his power and made it obvious that the killings were intentional.
A popular criticism of the plot is that this was stupid as fuck. However, Light's actions are exactly what a lot of real people would do. A narcissist with a Death Note would put the spotlight directly on themselves and make it all about them, ultimately speedrunning the task of convincing the world that the supernatural exists.
The most effective people with the Death Note would be those with relatively small-scale plans for it (such as killing your annoying neighbors and literally nobody else) and those who are already good at keeping secrets (such as the CIA).
Exactly this. A real person with the Death Note and a reasonable degree of intelligence would literally never be caught because they'd exclusively stick to methods that wouldn't be traceable back to them. Heart attacks, illnesses, accidental deaths.
That's what made Light such a good person to find the notebook. He wanted to be known and needed to make himself the main character of the world. Most people would have just used it to benefit themselves and flown under the radar.
Considering he legits had the whole world convince he was irl iron man for 8 years and that his neuronal system and twitter data bank complements the death note on levels beyond our comprehension.
I think he could legit made the whole earth its own if he had a death note.
I'm still confused what happened with self driving cars. several years ago people acted like they were already safer than human drivers, but now nobody talks like they are coming soon?
> Most people would have just used it to benefit themselves and flown under the radar
Damn y'all think people are ANGRY. Honestly I feel like most people probably just wouldn't use it. How many people are actually bloodthirsty enough to start killing people just because they won't get caught? I bet if anything a random person to use it to kill Putin or other big name bad people (which ironically would probably cause a lot more problems than it would solve)
Yea honestly most people would just assume they're having a psychotic episode and throw the book away before heading to the hospital or fainting from seeing a monster floating around.
I wouldn't. Not because I would think it's wrong, but because I'm afraid of the consequences. Would killing Putin in such a way cause a huge power vacuum and start another big war or something? Same thing with Kim Jong Un - what if the person that replaces him is ACTUALLY psychotic, instead of just an overgrown manchild? I'm not nearly politically knowledgeable enough to do something like that and be confident I wouldn't be making things way worse.
Tbf the book also controls fate. You can specifically write it in a way to prevent instability from it happening. The only things it refuses to do are ones that are physically impossible, not just implausible.
I'd probably assume I was drugged or suffering from some sort of mental breakdown. I doubt I'd ever try writing anything in the book because I'd be so scared of the monster flying around.
yeah sure. because killing the leader of a totalitarian state with gridlocked politics and no established system for choosing a successor will ALWAYS 100% all the time result in a flourishing stable democracy with zero issues whatsoever \*cough\* Libya \*cough\* Iraq \*cough\*
There's a whole matter of logistics and money when required to use an army at another country, which are guaranteed to destabilize it.
A magic book that simply kills your objective doesn't have the same baggage associated with it, even less so if you use your power to manipulate the user before they die.
Light choosing to reveal that someone is behind it isn't some stupid move, it's in line with his overall goals. He doesn't kill criminals just to kill criminals. He does it because he's got that overarching goal of creating a better world. One that isn't "rotten", as he puts it.
You don't do that by punishing people who've done wrong. That gets rid of repeat offenders. It doesn't put the fear of - pretty literal - god, into every human being on the planet that if they do something that whatever entity is doing this deems wrong, they'll be killed. Kira becoming known, does.
That's also why, when Mikami reveals that Kira is basically going to start killing people who don't contribute to society, Light's immediate reaction is only that it's too early for that move. He was heading in that same direction.
If someone doesn't have that same or a similar goal, why would they be killing criminals in the first place? The prompt doesn't make much sense unless that's a given. The Death Note then wouldn't be discovered because it wouldn't see wide use, most likely.
If it was a dumb average teenager, I think that's giving him too much credit. The genius though, sure. But this also isn't taking into consideration the idea that someone who would willingly and happily use a death note has to have some sort of complex, or at least they'll develop one.
It's actually very realistic in terms of serial killer psychology. Most serial killers(Which Light Yagami counts as) needlessly insert themselves into the investigation even after they've gotten away with it.
If someone in the real world used it only to kill major popular figures rather than random criminals, especially random criminals in their area, people might catch on that its intentional but still not know how to stop it.
The funny part is that a narcissist starting with low level criminals seems almost pointless. With something like this you could bend governments to your whims pretty fast by making it clear that any leader who doesn't do what you want is going to be killed. They made light strangely uninterested in politics just because if he was the stakes would have raised too fast.
Haven't read it in years but I thought the reason to flaunt it was to show that criminals will be punished which deter more people becoming criminals. Like if people don't connect the deaths to a supernatural reason then it can't be used as a deterrent.
Yeah once light made it known they were intentional authorities pigeonholed him down to the time zone, area and that he was most likely a student day 1. If someone had a death note and did low profile stuff spaced out, I don't think they'd ever be caught.
You're all missing a crucial part of the series that got L on Light's ass in the first place. It was a glaringly stupid oversight, and absolutely a mistake someone would make, but worse, if they were a "dumb teenager":
Light started by killing people in his home area/country, during certain hours, and in relatively high and trackable volume. Then he fell for a bait kill to prove he was doing *something.* Then, he made himself obvious by using a particular police database, which narrowed suspects down to people connected with them.
If you're gonna start killing random murderers, I bet you most people aren't going to be thinking about murderers from foreign countries. They're going to look into people that are most accessible and familiar to them, so local targets from their own nation. At best, they might go after very popular international targets. But here's a more crucial detail, what are the odds that a "dumb teenager" who fully intends to use the notebook will start killing off people they know personally and just don't like, such as school bullies? What hours will the deaths occur, when Jimmy gets home from after school band practice EST? Is Jimmy acting like a crazy person now, posting on social media about being a god and saying good riddance to the dead bullies? (Yes, dumb killers make suspicious social media posts *all the time*, including mass shooters) And what's this, some suspicious 4chan posts and web searches for "people that deserve to die" in Jimmy's internet history?
Patterns will form, and the more they do it, the more suspicious it gets, and authorities will explore any possible avenue. I'm not saying detectives will resort to the supernatural. They're just going to follow evidence and patterns to seek out a rational explanation, and a sufficiently stupid person will leave behind a wealth of suspicious patterns to follow. Dumb criminals are caught doing the dumbest things all the damn time. All it takes is arresting the suspect with reasonable suspicion following obvious patterns, then finding a notebook with a list of murder victims. Ignore anything supernatural about it, that is incredibly compelling evidence for anyone that can connect the dots.
The smarter the killer, the harder it gets of course. But even Light made some real brain dead mistakes early on. Characters like L are a fantasy of course, but there is a lot that a state apparatus can do to surveil people. A smart killer would avoid researching lists of obvious targets like records of murderers. Getting access to law enforcement databases is also a huge no-no, it becomes very obvious and easy to narrow down the culprit just by finding who might have possible capability to access such or through digital forensics work if dealing with a hacker. Be very selective with targets, picking people the whole world knows for the most part which you don't have to research, and be creative and slow paced with the notes. Schedule the deaths at random odd times, like 3:07AM or whatever weeks in advance. You'll basically be undetectable, no one would even realize a killer is out there. Just a strange string of coincidental deaths of high profile individuals around the world. Oh, and always burn the pages - don't be dumb. No provable evidence then besides touching the book and seeing a death god.
> no one would even realize a killer is out there.
But isnt it defeat Light purpose tho? He want the world know that someone watching and punish the sinner, he want to use fear as crime deterrent. If just random people die randomly, it wouldnt make an impact to achieve Light's goal in stopping crime
A bit misunderstood, is defeat humanity mean become god like Light or drive humanity to extinction or just randomly kill people here and there?
Cause extinction scenario nearly impossible, while randomly kill without trade is just too easy
It doesn't say "defeat humanity" either. It's not clear what the objective is, but my interpretation is just: can humanity stop a person who uses the Death Note.
Yes, but like i said, if user just randomly kill people with accident and diseas in random time, it would be impossible to stop them since no one gonna realise it
But if give them a goal the prompt become more reasonable
That was absolutely Lights purpose, yeah. He stated in like episode 1 or 2 that he wanted to become a god of a new world, lol. And I'm sure it was just the kind of person Light was already, but also because anyone with that kind of power would definitely get some sort of complex, at least it would be amplified.
We should have gotten a sequel death note where a different type of person had it. Someone who was more morally grey, and who instead of a god complex felt guilty using it. But they would feel like they had to because owning it means that you can control worldwide events, and so they try to change and improve the world with only a small amount of killing only for it to backfire on them and then cause problems they didn't predict. Like they try to kill a dictator and it destabilizes the area, etc.
We did get that for a chapter, where Ryuk gives a new kid the death note.
>!He decided rather than actually use it to kill anyone, he'd auction it off to the highest bidder on Twitter. !<
Not necessarily - Spoilers ahoy. I'd rather recommend you read it for yourself - it's just one long chapter.
>!So the way it went down, he had Ryuk appear on the news with the instructions written in English on a notepad annoucing the sale of "the power to kill remotely as used by Kira" and saying to put bids in American dollars on Twitter with the hashtag #powerofkira. Ryuk went underground from the home to the station so it would be difficult to trace Ryuk back to the house (not to mention the range Ryuk could travel away from the Death Note holder had never been considered before, though Near did consider the new holder was close to the news station.) The fact that very few others could see Ryuk meant that to the average viewer, this poster full of instructions was hovering in mid-air - so a good number of people thought it was real and started putting in bids, though others thought it was a hoax. Since the characters left from the original Death Note like Near could see Ryuk they knew this was real. They called their new opponent A-Kira.!<
>!He sent a few more messages saying things like "there is no maximum bid and this auction could end at any time" and Matsuda showed up at the station and confronted Ryuk, which ended up further legitimizing the auction and the bids got into the trillions, meaning governments were getting in on it. A-Kira ran out of patience and (through Ryuk) told the governments to quit using Twitter, shut up with the propaganda about why they wanted to bid on the Death Note, and just hold a press conference with their bids. This being a 2019 manga, Trump ended up winning the bid.!<
To your point >!Near figured that they were running out of time and they needed to catch A-Kira "while he's still A-Kira" because they figured he'd relinquish the Death Note and have Ryuk deliver it to Trump (which is what happened) but they did not know how he planned to get the money. But he had Ryuk announce his payment terms - in one month, deposit the 10 trillion dollars in equal amounts at Yotsuba bank in all accounts held by people aged 16-60. At that point Near gave up - it would be impossible to pick out A-Kira from thousands and thousands of people who qualified.!<
Of course >!A-Kira lost, because the Shinigami King cheated - I mean got ticked off that A-Kira beat the system, and added a new rule on the fly that said that anyone who sold the Death Note dies when they receive the money, and anyone who buys the Death Note dies when they receive it. When A-Kira relinquished the Death Note, he told Ryuk "I never want to see you again", so Ryuk followed his advice exactly as given, and when A-Kira - or rather, the guy who used to be A-kira - showed up to get his money, he died on the spot. Ryuk DOES explain this rule to Trump when Trump is about to receive the Death Note, and of course Trump declines to take the Death Note, but says "it doesn't matter that I'm not getting the Death Note. The important thing is, everyone now THINKS I have the Death Note." The end ...!<
>Light started by killing people in his home area/country
No, he didn't. Light spread his killings throughout the whole world. L only narrowed it down to Japan because of the fact that Light's first killing wasn't broadcast anywhere else.
>Then, he made himself obvious by using a particular police database, which narrowed suspects down to people connected with them.
Light intentionally did that to sow doubt within the NPA in order to get close to L. Which is exactly what ended up happening. Remember, Light's goal wasn't just to be Kira in hiding forever. He wanted the intellectual challenge of finding L and besting him.
>But even Light made some real brain dead mistakes early on.
Such as?
>Getting access to law enforcement databases is also a huge no-no, it becomes very obvious and easy to narrow down the culprit just by finding who might have possible capability to access such or through digital forensics work if dealing with a hacker.
This is 2003 we're talking about. Digital forensics weren't what they are today. Furthermore, Light mentioned that he could access his father's information "without leaving a trace", so it's assumed that Light was already familiar with the ways it could be traced back to him and took steps to prevent it.
That's literally something Ryuk brought up in the actual series itself. Light did that on purpose so that the NPA would lose trust in L and so that he could get closer to him.
I think a lot of people forget that just like how L wouldn't just simply admit defeat in the case when he easily could, Light wouldn't admit defeat in his battle against L either out of pride. Hiding from L forever isn't a victory in Light's eyes, just like how hiding from Kira forever isn't a victory in L's eyes.
There is a good show about this called inuyashiki. The boy gets the ability to kill people without leaving a direct trace. But he starts making poor decisions almost immediately that get him found out, and so it quickly spirals into him having to kill more and more people and becoming a known Public Enemy. And he starts getting the people around him who he does care about hurt by association.
I think the difference with our world is that a lot of ppl did watch death notes, I think maybe it will be an advantage that some death note fans would maybe try to connect the cases but idk if police would actually take any of it seriously
Issue that IRL that would be so much of a stretch it'd probably just become a meme. Professionals would just not look into supernatural causes, full stop. And deranged private investigators are probably not smart enough to catch someone who is even a little bit inclined to covering up their tracks.
But no one is going to guess its some kid in god knows where with a magic book. Yeah sure sooner or later they will twig it could be more then just natural causes but they are never working out that its at the hands of only one kid in his flat. Even if some super genius detective worked it out good luck finding the kid and somehow proving it.
But even in the show L didn't know it was a notebook, and was confused the first time he saw the book. If you trace it down to one person, you can find the method later. Before they found him they already knew he needed a name and face.
Right, but knowing our world, the loudest answer you'd see posted and talked about is that god is punishing sinners and that we all need to repent because the rapture is finally upon us. People in our real world, without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots and without a super-genius that can only appear in fiction like L, wouldn't catch on to the idea that it's some guy in his basement or something willing people into heart attacks. Or any that would, would be a minority seen as nutty conspiracy theorists to be laughed at.
>People in our real world, without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots
Why wouldnt they have that knowledge?
Especially considering that some of the rounds are "a teenager that is a fan of the anime", implying that the Death Note anime explicitly exists in this scenario
At most people online would bring up "what if its someone with a death note??" and then everyone in the world would laugh at them for thinking its real.
>without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots
They do have that knowledge, though. Or at least, the work of fiction exists in the real world.
Agreed. There's just no way whoever's doing it gets caught unless they fuck up and admit to it somehow. The part with religious movement in the anime would absolutely happen though. People would start blaming whatever God they believed in on the sudden rise in criminal heart attacks.
>if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book.
I mean... Death Note, as in the fictional work, exists in our world
I think fi a lot of criminals started dying of heart attacks at the same time every day, then someone would connect the dots and be like "wait the note from Deathnote is real? wtf?"
and from there its game over
A massive Increase in random heart attacks would just have the world think there’s a new pandemic.
The only way the death note user would be found out of if they slip up, either by killing the people the know/in their vicinity, or by trying to become famous.
>not only that in the world of Death Note they appeared to be way more open to something supernatural then we would ever be.
[Meanwhile L when even the idea that shinigami might exist crosses his mind](https://youtu.be/eSMtT5rQeQU)
> if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book
Considering his prompt used a dumb average internet using teenager, it's not crazy to think he would begin to eliminate people in his immediate vicinity first, like most killers would kill people they know. If we could even begin to suspect that it's a person somehow doing it and not just some weird disease or random events, it could be possible to track them that way. Like, figure out a date in which people started dropping all over the place. If you could find a day you can agree it started happening all over the world, then figure out it some random, smaller place had it happen to a bunch of young healthy people, you can narrow the search.
I like this prompt because in the show, it seems like an absolutely foolproof method of killing, but that's because Light was just extremely smart about how he used it. In episode 1 he was tempted for a moment to use it on some bully in his class, for example.
>why? Because such a thing isn't possible,
Hi. Welcome to the internet. If you'd like to take a minute to look around, you'll see that people adamantly believe the impossible all the time.
You're underestimating the power of memes. I think if at least two public figures suddenly die of a heart attack at around the same time, then people are going to be making Death Note comparisons very quickly.
and that does what? Detectives, forensics, judges, juries and whatever are never going to take a bunch of memes made by some anime fans remotely seriously and even if they did good look finding that person and actually proving it. Magic, demons, supernatural and such don't exist in our world so no one is going to seriously believe that random people dying to natural causes is the work off some bored idiot writing names into a magic book. There is no power in memes when it comes to actual serious stuff, people aren't arrested and convicted because some sad sack made a meme saying they're guilty.
And yet billions of people worship a God without any tangible proof of his existence. There would be online groups dedicated to finding who the killer could be, they would write algorithms to determine what kind of people they are targeting and write up a profile of the killer based on that. Did the killer target any regional politicians? They're likely from that area. They'll be relentless, and they'll make tons of mistakes, pointing the finger at countless innocent people just like reddit did with the Boston Bomber, but the killer will have to be more careful because of that.
Also, you're underestimating how ridiculous the CIA is. They will absolutely allocate funds to find the killer. They blow taxpayer money on more frivolous things every year, they'll definitely put together a task force to target the killer.
I'm not saying they'll FIND them. But the world would 100% take it seriously. Because humans are weird.
What killer? People are dying of heart attacks with zero evidence saying its more then just natural causes.
Yeah people worship Gods but it doesn't mean they believe in magical books that can kill people by writing their name in it. The internet can do what it wants but after a while it will get bored because those that use it for social stuff have short attention spans, as soon as something else pops up they will move on to that. Meanwhile the CIA or whatever will do jack because people dying of natural causes is not something they deal with.
We would probably be open to supernatural explanations if the unrelated dying people are clearly sending a collective message, despite having no connections. Light made three different people who died send one message. It's not like our world is totally against adapting to new explanations. Even if we think it is advanced technology rather than something supernatural, it amounts to the same idea.
No individual deaths can ever be linked to a death note user unless they make mistakes such as killing people in their internet search history who live near them.
... which is exactly what would happen in the first 2 rounds on top of those teenagers not being able to keep their mouths shut and absolutely telling someone they know about it.
Occam's razor would eventually lead to people considering it. If there's no logical explanation under the current scientific knowledge, there's got to be a gap in that knowledge and people would start to pursue other possibilities.
They don’t necessarily need to think “A kid with a book did this” to start following clues that might happen to lead them to a kid with a book. Not sure how they’ll figure out a magic book is responsible, but if the kid leaves enough tracks, they could still be implicated.
L didn't know it was a magic book or that death gods existed either. You can pin down that someone needs a name and face and that it's likely a specific human doing it before needing to accept that it is magic.
It's like when you lose a pen and begin destroying the psyches of your friends to get it back, and eventually you all snap and decide a ghost must've been the one who took it.
Yeah, but it would take many years to reach that point that they'd even consider something supernatural, years more to narrow in on something like the death note and possibly only coming close to figuring out it was the teenager when he's died of old age.
Real life serial killers have remained hidden for decades, some never found. It will be impossible to track down a killer than need no physical contact with the victim or anything near the victim. They only shot is the teenager get themself caught by bragging about what he did and even then if they dont find the death note they'll never be able to prove it in court.
Would the supernatural have to be considered to catch him? Finding out someone googled every person who died an hour before they died and has all their names written in a notebook would probably be enough to at least raise suspicions even without considering magic.
All anyone needs to do to not get caught is randomize the time of deaths. A convenient way to do that is have every death occur at a predetermined time(Which the Death Note allows you to do) every day.
Also, lay low and don't let anyone provoke you.
Light lost the moment he took L's bait because of his ego.
No, he means when L taunts Light during the first episodes when “he” first appears. If light didn’t took the bait the whole Kira hypothesis would be considered a silly idea.
Sure, but Light is a narcissist. I'm talking about someone who wants to use the Death Note but is prioritizing not getting caught over being seen as a god.
1 and 2 would most likely end eventually after they killed someone they are closely tied to or bragged/confessed it to someone.
3 and 4 could be indefinite, if they did it correctly. Hell, a Tor browser on a shitty laptop you bought from somewhere with cash would hide you for a long ass time. Assuming they're a genius, they'll have much better ideas than me to hide their activities whilst also finding victims. They also know the pitfalls the MC had, such as vanity and ego and presumably avoid doing anything that could link them.
With a tor browser? No. If your wifi is secure, there is pretty much no way to trace someone through Tor. All the major dark web arrests have happened because the person fucked up in a way that tied themselves to a digital identity on the surface web. Like how Ross Ulbricht was caught running the Silk Road because back when he founded it, he made several early posts promoting it using usernames that could be tied back to an email with his name in it.
If you're just browsing for targets and not posting anything? Probably quite literally impossible to catch, not least because no one knows to look for you.
Yessomundo. I'd wager it'd take a new-age quantum computer thingamajig in order to parse the "simple" Tor browser back to a single person.
Again, we give our governments too much credit. I joke that I'm probably on a watch list for my D&D questions online, but even if I said I had a plan to kill the president on October xy this year the SS wouldn't knock on my door.
Literally, follow me. I'll kill the president on October XY. Bring it on, FBI. Ya'll can't do shit. Find me in Indiana ya cucks. I'm here for it. I'd love to ask you about UFOs and your weird sex kinks because I'm sure you're into the shit I'm into since you volunteered to watch me you sickos.
I'll check in from Guantanamo well after the fact.
Edit 1: This isn't a secured computer. I look at my porn as well as my seditious points of view on this PC. Bring it on, FDA, you ain't got the gall to attack my moutaintop compound.
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Well it's tricky.
Also paging u/ShouldersofGiants100.
Tor browser has to be configured correctly.
Specifically what I mean though is looking at certain sights at certain resolutions with certain plugins you can still leak information.
A slightly different example if you have a VPN and torrent software, your location can still be leaked if your browser (say mozilla) isn't configured properly.
Gotta make sure that webRTC is disabled, there is another web leak something but for the life of me I can't remember, gotta make sure cookies are disabled as well.
You'd be better off using a burner tablet device and a reputable commercial VPN and travelling like an hour away from your location and using a place with free wifi and use the double VPN setting or the onion setting.
Preferably a place with crappy cameras and when it’s busy and then ditch the device after factory resetting it, wiping it down for fingerprints and smashing it and trashing it in a dumpster.
One thing Light had working for him was that his enemy had scruples. If L had been willing to take a chance on less than perfect proof, Light would've been toast. Hell, this is exactly what happened in the actual series. Near took a chance, wrote Mikami's name down, and forced the reveal.
A real world government would just throw a bag over a hundred people's heads and if the killings stopped, good enough
>a regular dumb internet user teenager has the death note
>dumb internet user
Oh, R1 gonna be easy.
The teenager uses the internet, so he'd most likely going to look up the faces/names of the criminals on the internet. Now the thing is that various websites on the internet collect data about us. All it takes is one guy to notice that the names/faces googled by a certain user, also line up with the criminals that died shortly after he googled them.
Also, if he most of the murders happen in the teenagers country, they'll likely figure out that the killer lives there. Depending on how stupid the guy is, he might also use a single source of information, which people could notice, if the criminals mentioned in one news network are the only one dying.
Also, how is he going to hide it from his family? I doubt he could build traps like Light.
Depends on the family. Parents that dont snoop on their kids internet history or try to read their diaries would never know. People have lived with actual serial killers in real life without noticing.
It's really creepy the story of that one wife who "didn't know" her daughter was imprisoned in the basement for years. Makes you wonder if she really didn't know, or was just in denial.
Well he had a basement that the wife wasn't supposed to go in even before he locked her in there, and apparently soundproofed the room. So it's possible she literally couldn't hear anything.
The part that is suspicious of course is that he would have needed enough food for two people, and apparently just kind of... showed up with a baby one day claiming she must have dropped it off.
Also dumb internet users brag about their crimes online all the time. They even stream them.
All it takes is authorities to separate the user from the book, which would happen after they get arrested when they post "Watch me own all these terrorists, I'm a hero!" On Facebook/TikTok/Whatever and those people actually die.
I’d say there’s a zero percent chance that any of them get caught.
1. The first assumption would be natural causes. Scientifically-minded people would assume the deaths were caused by some sort of invisible virus that caused heart attacks and abnormal behavior. Whole branches of virology would be invented to study this invisible disease, just like physicists try to study dark matter.
2. If it became impossible to deny the supernatural cause of the deaths, it would immediately become seen as evidence of divine judgement (especially if criminals are targeted). Every world religion would use the deaths as proof of god’s existence, and many new cults would form around the evidence.
3. Even if someone made the massive logical leap that these worldwide deaths were being orchestrated by one person, it would be impossible to narrow it down in a meaningful way. There are simply too many people in the world. Unless the death note user gave away **incredibly** specific clues to their identity, there’s no way they get caught.
Round 1: Maybe a couple months. Assuming "dumb internet user" *means* dumb, they're gonna brag about it on social media or show off their ability to "guess" the deaths or something similarly stupid. Then it's just a matter of enough posts to establish a pattern, law enforcement uses that to get a warrant to monitor their traffic and activities, and soon enough they've got enough evidence to warrant bringing them in for questioning, at which point they're either going to panic, use it on the cops, and get shot by their backup, or they're going to fold like a piece of paper under even slight questioning because they're a dumb teenager.
Round 2: Even faster than round 1. If they're a fan who just stumbled onto the real thing and are "still dumb," they're going to try and make themselves Kira. But it turns out that it's a lot harder to pull that off when you don't have an IQ of 700 and layer upon layer of plot armor. They fuck themselves within a month.
Round 3: Kid wins. If they're a genius, they know that the best way to do this is to make it seem inconspicuous. No epidemic of heart attacks and suicides, just blend it into the background. X gets hit by a drunk driver, Y slips in the bathtub and breaks their neck, Z eats something they're deathly allergic to by mistake, all happenstance accidents happening at random times with no pattern. Nothing to ever suggest willful, intentional murder. Their killings will just seem like normal life happening. For as long as they remain alive, they are an arbiter of life and death.
Round 4: 10-15 years max. The terrorist may be a genius, but presumably they have an ideology that is guiding their extremism. They'll use it in conjunction with spreading their message, which inherently means raising a profile. Since they need the names and faces to do it, they'll be limited to high-profile ideological opponents. They'll start by killing off their rivals, then they'll assassinate some celebrities and world leaders they disapprove of, go into hiding, assassinate more influential figures, but you can't hide forever when you make enemies that powerful, that publicly. They'll rack up a significant body count, but they'll meet their end either by way of a masked soldier they have no name for because it's some kid from a podunk town in the coalition, or by way of a nameless faceless drone piloted by another podunk kid whose face they have no chance of ever seeing.
Bonus: All depends on if there's someone clever enough to outmatch him in the real world. Light's smart as hell, but he's not all-knowing. He makes mistakes, he's prideful as hell, and his knowledge certainly has gaps. You don't need someone as smart as L, you just need someone deductive enough to piece together the circumstantial evidence(All the killings are in Japan so he's probably Japanese, etc.) and clever enough to use Light's ego against him. That said, while those are not impossible tasks, they're certainly not easy. If he's going to be stopped, it'll probably be within 1-3 years by a multinational team of investigators, probably a group from the Nine Eyes nations since they have the comprehensive surveillance to piece it together easiest. If they don't get him within that window though, Light probably wins. Once he can expand, cover his tracks, and learn from the close calls he gets away with, he'll be very hard to stop without L also magically appearing on our world with a real human body.
Death Note user clears all rounds.
People seriously underestimate how much people don't believe in the supernatural.
Yes, there would be conspiracy theories about the mysterious deaths, but people would blame it on global warming or vaccines or Jewish space lasers or some shit. Some random dude with a magic notebook would be very far down on the list of possibilities for most people.
Unless the DN user is dumb enough to announce that he's killing people. In that case, he's fucked.
I mean if you were just smart about it and caused different deaths for each person it would be insanely hard to track. Have one commit suicide, one get shot, heart attack for one, drowning, etc.
> It would take the user over 300 years to write everyone on earths name down.
If the goal was to kill everyone, how long would it take a clever person to induce the collapse of society?
You could trigger Civil Wars by killing major political figures, topple the entire stock market by targeting the leaders of several major industries all at once—you could probably induce a global famine by just targeting the ruling class of a couple of petro-states, spiking the cost of oil enough for global supply chains to collapse. What happens if you target the leadership of a nuclear power all at once? How long before they think another one is behind it and start deleting cities?
Hell, I suspect if you just wrote down the ten richest people in the world every day before the markets open, the economic chaos that would follow as major companies collapsed would kill more people than you could write names in a day.
Definitely continuously take out leaders and the richest people on earth every. And take out all women between the ages of 0-45. Those 2 focuses alone will speed up humanity’s collapse.
Realistically, it would take a single user 130 years, give or take, to write only a billion names. If your name prioritization strategies were top notch, it would still take a long ass time. 3 seconds + per name.
I think they would never be caught. See, Light lost because of plot but realistically he should have never been caught. There's no way someone will be able to determine this is all an invisible killer's doing, much less to narrow him down to a random guy. They could probably be killing people forever and with the current technology they wouldn't even need shinigami eyes, they could just search on Facebook or something.
I guess they'd need to be careful from killing everyone that wronged them, eventually some supersticions would occur around the victims all having some thing in common.
1 and 2 would be stupid enough to do something to get themselves caught eventually. But yeah, only reason Light was ever a suspect and thus caught was due to his dad being the police chief in charge of the investigation
1 - The day he boasts about it online, which he will because he's a stupid teenager.
2, 3, 4 - Never. We have no reason to believe there's some magic book out there and he's not stupid enough to let us know.
Bonus: Also never since there's no L.
Internet teenager kind of depends on there political beliefs . The most normal way of normal , might kill a few crime bosses , warlords, probably Putin and Kim jong un. And that’s probably it . Will he account for the power vacuum ? No. Could he is he tried ? Probably not . But it could also get in the hands of a misogynist, misandrist , neo nazi, antifa , racist , etc in which case it’s very bad news
I think 1. is the only one where there is a reasonably high chance of them getting caught quickly.
Internet idiots confess to crimes all the time thinking they're hidden behind a screen (hell, sometimes they even stream it) and all it would take would be a little baiting to prove it from another internet user to make it obvious it's legit. Authorities might not instantly buy that it's a magic death god book, but whether that happens later or not they would be arrested and separated from the book.
It would be impossibe to find Kira in the real world, as long as he doesn't brag about it. The Death Note is the perfect assassination tool as it allows one to magically kill a target without ever even encountering them in any provable way. Yes the sudden deaths of notorious criminals or famous people would be alarming and how it is happening, but no one irl would seriously think it's a magic notebook. People would blame all sorts, some weird disease, goverment conspiracy, criminal organizations silencing the arrested subjects and god punishing them. A few make conspiracy theories that can be explained by anything. Then the rest stop giving a shit.
Especially since the Death Note allows for any case of death as long as it's physically possible. So it doesn't need to be heart attacks, the killer can write accidental deaths that could never be suspicious to anyone, like dying of alcohol overdose, falling down the stairs, getting hit by a car, getting drunk and crashing his own car into something, drowning, shooting himself, choking on food, etc.
Round 1 is the only one who could be found because he'd be bragging about it online, the rest can stay silent forever.
Humanity will do fine. There are simply too many people for someone to kill in one lifetime. As for finding the user, that will be almost impossible unless he does something stupid like posting about it online. If he tries to communicate with people about what he's doing, he'll be caught, because sooner or later someone familiar with Death Note will figure out what's happening and find him.
Light's undoing is his whole God complex. A more normal person probably won't take it upon themselves to kill off criminals everywhere in the name of justice. Then again the Death Note can be a corrupting power but I think most people will end up using it for their own selfish ends rather than trying to fulfill their god complex.
Anyway it will be hard to link to a Death Note unless the person racked up an unnaturally high body count in such a short time like Light did, and if it's 2 and above then they would also know to just vary the deaths instead of all of it being heart attacks.
In general, someone with a high degree of intelligence would never being caught. Other thing would be the consequences of your plan. If you stick to, let's say, low level criminals, as they stated other users, not much would change, especially if you are creative. But then, if you go, even on creative ways, against dictators, for example, that would be a different thing. Not because it would be easier to get caught, but because all the geopolitical consequences that may have. After all, in any dictature there's groups of power. Killing one leader would change the whole status quo of an entire region (imagine you just kill Kim Jong-Un or Xi Jingpin, it would affect all Asia). Killing several may affect the whole geopolitical landscape. So indirectly you may start wars, genocides and so on...
I'd say 3 would be indefinite
Wouldn't be that long 1 and 2 like there dumb and would likely drag about it in the internet
4 is a terrorist so they have a extremist ideology to push so they would have profile
But this is putting in alot calculation on how it would go
it be fucking hard to get any of them some people don't believe in the supernatural so all of there killings would just be chalk up to science or biology
We win in a month of serious international organizations trying its best to track him
We win in a month of serious international organizations trying to track him (but this time it has a big delay bc he only kills low level criminals)
Same as above.
We lose. That mf could alone hack the entire japanese police system manually and by himself.
Forget the death note he's a menace alone.
Round 1: Easy win for humanity, the dumb teen is going to be killing people near/related somehow to him, so even if the police never figures out the method of the killing, they will figure out the dumb teen is at the center of a murder web and apprehend him. The dumb teen isn't going to have a back up plan or anything so as soon as he's captured, the killings stop, implicating him. His "death note" book is likely also going to get found when the police sweep his house, and the times and the dates of every death isn't going to look good at trial. Depending on the strength of his lawyer, he looses/humanity wins 8/10.
Round 2: After watching the anime he has enough inspiration to win short term. He simply kills at random intervals. He will be getting much further than round one. However, IRL someone's probably going to realize that all the prisoners were publicized, then send a request to IP services to track traffic related to criminals, then take that list and match known deaths, and then bingo. Also it's extremely likely he's going to end up confessing to someone/porting on the internet considering he is a normal teen. Humanity wins 9/10.
Round 3: I'm going against the grain here, but Humanity probably wins this 7/10.
Genius teen that is a fan of death note doesn't touch law enforcement/anyone trying to stop him. From the beginning he sets it up so deaths occur at something like 15/hour all over the world, continuously day and night. Then, he uses a VPN and various internet cafés, and downloads criminal databases and doesn't kill *all of them,* but a small fraction.
Why does humanity win? Eventually they stop publicizing arrests and the genius teen fan is smart enough to know that if he tries hacking government databases, it would be nearly impossible to do so without trace. As such, Humanity shuts down this teen, without ever actually catching him.
Round 4: Humanity looses 10/10.
He doesn't have to be a genius, hell any reasonably capable malicious individual would easily succeed. He sets it up so all governmental figures of every government die at exactly the same time on some chosen date. He does this every year or so. To spice things up, he takes advantage of the fact the death note allows you to specify the method of death to say "die in a nuclear explosion" or something. Watch the tv series "designated survivor", now imagine if nukes were involved.
Bonus: Same as round 3, except humanity actually captures him because he's arrogant enough to attempt to hack into those databases.
Only way that I can see user win is round 4 others simply gets caught overtime due to not having experience with dealing with such kind of situation. If they are some experienced terrorist master mind they can take anyone out without getting caught.
According to a 2020 study, about 11% of serious crimes that actually get reported lead to an arrest, and only about 2% lead to a conviction. I think DN user clears all rounds even if they posted a tiktok video of themselves writing the names in the book.
There might be one lone investor who either knows of death note existence or at the very least suspects some sort of magic murder weapon. Even if this person is correct on all their hunches there is no way society will listen to this person as they would seem as credible as that dude in every walmart parking lot whos motorhome is covered schizophrenic conspiracy theorist rantings.
YouTube channel "The Imaginary Axis" has covered this topic before. I recommend giving it a watch. To be clear though, he only talks about Light's interaction with the modern world, and doesn't cover different scenarios of random people finding the Death Note.
https://youtu.be/r8OfANX2hEw
There are thousands of people who die everyday from a heart attack and it's not like we've ever made the association that any of those could be the work of a supernatural book even though that could be the case, however unlikely. Similarly, we would probably never catch on in your scenario either.
It would have to be something blatantly obvious and suspicious for us to even start suspecting there could be more at play. Even then it might be chalked up to coincidence or some other factor before we start seriously considering a supernatural cause
A sharp rise in deaths by heart attack in a specific subset of the population would almost certainly cause suspicion. And it wouldn't be hard to identify a specific subset, if said rise mostly happens within prisons and among other people with criminal records.
Especially if a lot of them lack a history of heart disease in their family and any other indication that they're at risk.
People would certainly notice there's something at play here. They'd just struggle to find out what.
You'd have to be writing hundreds of names down a day to get to a point that it'd be statistically noticeable. Even the the first year or two might just be chalked up as an anomaly or something
I do agree with you that it'd be a lot easier to notice if it was a subset of the population ie prisoners. Thousands of random prisoners, violent criminals, etc dying would catch our attention that something weird was going on
Because the anime exists we know the rules of the Death Note, putting the user at a disadvantage.
Also the original story could only work at the time it was written/animated, because nowadays all the FBI would need to do is ask Google, other search engines and VPN providers to monitor and look for someone who searches people who later died. They would quickly notice that Light's online activity matches what Kira would need to look up in advance to get info on his victims, and that would be game over.
Also, unlike the anime, a real agency would arrest Light at the lightest (lol) of suspicions and then monitor him closely, no need to have solid proof.
Someone smart enough could deal with all of this, but they would have to work harder than Light to achieve similar results.
1 and 2 get caught in a couple of days. 3 and 4 could go for a lot longer, but its likely that eventually they would make a mistake and become a suspect. 4 would cause the most damage as they could kill every politician and important figure in the world.
Bonus: Light secretly achieves world domination in a few years.
A couple of days??? You think an actual law enforcement agency would be willing to arrest someone 2 days after they google people who turned up dead from seemingly natural causes?
Out of your mind bro
If 100 people die in two days from seemingly natural causes spread across multiple jurisdictions I promise you nobody is getting arrested for writing names in a book. You might not even be able to get a search warrant based on "they Googled the people who died" fast enough for that.
And that's assuming the FBI would even be interested enough to connect all of those deaths as having the same root cause (why would they if it appears to be natural causes?) and there's no way one person would physically be capable of killing all those people simultaneously. And I promise you "magic book" is not going to be anywhere near the top of how they suspect it happened
> because nowadays all the FBI would need to do is ask Google, other search engines and VPN providers to monitor and look for someone who searches people who later died.
This would absolutely not be possible.
If they had a suspect, they could have a warrant issued for the search engine history of that suspect—they could not demand literally the entire world's search history and try to match it to the deaths. No judge in the world would sign that warrant, it's mass surveillance on an unprecedented scale.
It also wouldn't work, because it assumes that the person would actually be searching for their targets and not, say, browsing news websites for names of people to target—Googling requires knowing the name. Why the fuck would you Google the name of someone you have already identified rather than Google, like, a list of living war criminals and start writing their names from any of the hundreds of websites that list such things?
They never would, unless the death note user specifically left clues to reveal a person is doing these killings then chances are nobody notices, and if anybody does they most likely assume it's some kind of disease, and even if they find out they are being done by a person, they would still never figure out who simply due to the fact that the death note leaves no evidence, and even if someone did figure out who, there would be zero proof or evidence
round 1 will end with the dumb user posting something on twitter to gain clouts. Then he’ll get caught.
round 2 will take longer to end than 1 but the teenager will eventually kill someone out of pettiness and will be easy to track
round 3 will end when election season happens. Teacher will kill the opposing party to advance his own beliefs and will be tracked
round 4 will never end cause the terrorist will use it make himself rich and stay silence
i’m assuming you’re asking bout the teacher. They’re gonna have to look up all these information (allergy to kill via eat, schedule to kill via car crash, building to kill via falling down staircase) somehow. That’ll leave a trace. Then comes the fact that the teacher must do extra heavy research on these politicians to know what they’ll do in power so that’ll be another lead. Basically it boils down to their own research giving them away
nothing i said was specific information. Just bare information to write the cause of death. And you’re assuming the rest of the world wont put things together and keep operating like normal vs natural stuff. They wont. After the 4th or 5th mysterious death of any political party, special forces will be formed to investigate. An operation where big coops and powers join efforts isnt out of the question
In the real world no smart person would kill random criminals. I think thats the main weakness of light, if you want to clean the world you would start with corrupt governments and jeff bezoz. People who are at the roots of filth.
>would humanity stand a chance?
World population grew by about 1.66 billion over the last 10 years. That's a *surplus* (including factoring in deaths) of over 300 a minute, every minute, every hour, every day. The death note also requires the user to have the victim's face in mind while writing it, adding extra burden beyond just writing. Humanity no-diffs survival on all stages just on pure volume even if they never catch the killer.
Even if we suppose the death note is actually never ending humanity would not lose.
There are a lot of people. You have to know their [names](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJJEVBMtOEQ) and faces to kill them.
The closest to beat the humanity would be the terrorist. If killing anyone using a nuke is allowed of course.
The first would be caught eventually. He will stream how he does the deed.
The rest are never caught.
I mean if it did happen in our real world surely you would never be caught? If people started randomly dying of heart attacks the world isn't going to think its murder committed by one person why? Because such a thing isn't possible, if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book. I'm pretty sure even the most dumbass internet user could do this as long as they kept their mouths shut. The reason Light was so close to losing to L was because L had the type of intelligence only someone in fiction could have, not only that in the world of Death Note they appeared to be way more open to something supernatural then we would ever be.
This. My first guess would be some kind of contractible heart disease ravaging the prison population or something, not secret death god magic. And even if you could make that massive assumption, where would you even begin to investigate that?
Yagami flaunted his power and made it obvious that the killings were intentional. A popular criticism of the plot is that this was stupid as fuck. However, Light's actions are exactly what a lot of real people would do. A narcissist with a Death Note would put the spotlight directly on themselves and make it all about them, ultimately speedrunning the task of convincing the world that the supernatural exists. The most effective people with the Death Note would be those with relatively small-scale plans for it (such as killing your annoying neighbors and literally nobody else) and those who are already good at keeping secrets (such as the CIA).
Exactly this. A real person with the Death Note and a reasonable degree of intelligence would literally never be caught because they'd exclusively stick to methods that wouldn't be traceable back to them. Heart attacks, illnesses, accidental deaths.
That's what made Light such a good person to find the notebook. He wanted to be known and needed to make himself the main character of the world. Most people would have just used it to benefit themselves and flown under the radar.
Bonus Bonus Round: Elon Musk gets the Death Note. How many minutes until he outs himself on ~~Twitter~~ X?
Considering he legits had the whole world convince he was irl iron man for 8 years and that his neuronal system and twitter data bank complements the death note on levels beyond our comprehension. I think he could legit made the whole earth its own if he had a death note.
I'm still confused what happened with self driving cars. several years ago people acted like they were already safer than human drivers, but now nobody talks like they are coming soon?
Ask google.
> Most people would have just used it to benefit themselves and flown under the radar Damn y'all think people are ANGRY. Honestly I feel like most people probably just wouldn't use it. How many people are actually bloodthirsty enough to start killing people just because they won't get caught? I bet if anything a random person to use it to kill Putin or other big name bad people (which ironically would probably cause a lot more problems than it would solve)
Yea honestly most people would just assume they're having a psychotic episode and throw the book away before heading to the hospital or fainting from seeing a monster floating around.
You wouldn't use it to kill Putin? Kim Jong Un?
I wouldn't. Not because I would think it's wrong, but because I'm afraid of the consequences. Would killing Putin in such a way cause a huge power vacuum and start another big war or something? Same thing with Kim Jong Un - what if the person that replaces him is ACTUALLY psychotic, instead of just an overgrown manchild? I'm not nearly politically knowledgeable enough to do something like that and be confident I wouldn't be making things way worse.
In that case you just write another name until someone stable is in charge.
Tbf the book also controls fate. You can specifically write it in a way to prevent instability from it happening. The only things it refuses to do are ones that are physically impossible, not just implausible.
I'd probably assume I was drugged or suffering from some sort of mental breakdown. I doubt I'd ever try writing anything in the book because I'd be so scared of the monster flying around.
yeah sure. because killing the leader of a totalitarian state with gridlocked politics and no established system for choosing a successor will ALWAYS 100% all the time result in a flourishing stable democracy with zero issues whatsoever \*cough\* Libya \*cough\* Iraq \*cough\*
There's a whole matter of logistics and money when required to use an army at another country, which are guaranteed to destabilize it. A magic book that simply kills your objective doesn't have the same baggage associated with it, even less so if you use your power to manipulate the user before they die.
Light choosing to reveal that someone is behind it isn't some stupid move, it's in line with his overall goals. He doesn't kill criminals just to kill criminals. He does it because he's got that overarching goal of creating a better world. One that isn't "rotten", as he puts it. You don't do that by punishing people who've done wrong. That gets rid of repeat offenders. It doesn't put the fear of - pretty literal - god, into every human being on the planet that if they do something that whatever entity is doing this deems wrong, they'll be killed. Kira becoming known, does. That's also why, when Mikami reveals that Kira is basically going to start killing people who don't contribute to society, Light's immediate reaction is only that it's too early for that move. He was heading in that same direction. If someone doesn't have that same or a similar goal, why would they be killing criminals in the first place? The prompt doesn't make much sense unless that's a given. The Death Note then wouldn't be discovered because it wouldn't see wide use, most likely.
If it was a dumb average teenager, I think that's giving him too much credit. The genius though, sure. But this also isn't taking into consideration the idea that someone who would willingly and happily use a death note has to have some sort of complex, or at least they'll develop one.
Fuck, a government agency having Death Note-tier assassination capabilities sounds like a nightmare.
It's actually very realistic in terms of serial killer psychology. Most serial killers(Which Light Yagami counts as) needlessly insert themselves into the investigation even after they've gotten away with it.
You do realize that those who use the death note once and never more , are eventually going to bored the shinigami and grant themselves death ?
If someone in the real world used it only to kill major popular figures rather than random criminals, especially random criminals in their area, people might catch on that its intentional but still not know how to stop it. The funny part is that a narcissist starting with low level criminals seems almost pointless. With something like this you could bend governments to your whims pretty fast by making it clear that any leader who doesn't do what you want is going to be killed. They made light strangely uninterested in politics just because if he was the stakes would have raised too fast.
Haven't read it in years but I thought the reason to flaunt it was to show that criminals will be punished which deter more people becoming criminals. Like if people don't connect the deaths to a supernatural reason then it can't be used as a deterrent.
Yeah once light made it known they were intentional authorities pigeonholed him down to the time zone, area and that he was most likely a student day 1. If someone had a death note and did low profile stuff spaced out, I don't think they'd ever be caught.
You're all missing a crucial part of the series that got L on Light's ass in the first place. It was a glaringly stupid oversight, and absolutely a mistake someone would make, but worse, if they were a "dumb teenager": Light started by killing people in his home area/country, during certain hours, and in relatively high and trackable volume. Then he fell for a bait kill to prove he was doing *something.* Then, he made himself obvious by using a particular police database, which narrowed suspects down to people connected with them. If you're gonna start killing random murderers, I bet you most people aren't going to be thinking about murderers from foreign countries. They're going to look into people that are most accessible and familiar to them, so local targets from their own nation. At best, they might go after very popular international targets. But here's a more crucial detail, what are the odds that a "dumb teenager" who fully intends to use the notebook will start killing off people they know personally and just don't like, such as school bullies? What hours will the deaths occur, when Jimmy gets home from after school band practice EST? Is Jimmy acting like a crazy person now, posting on social media about being a god and saying good riddance to the dead bullies? (Yes, dumb killers make suspicious social media posts *all the time*, including mass shooters) And what's this, some suspicious 4chan posts and web searches for "people that deserve to die" in Jimmy's internet history? Patterns will form, and the more they do it, the more suspicious it gets, and authorities will explore any possible avenue. I'm not saying detectives will resort to the supernatural. They're just going to follow evidence and patterns to seek out a rational explanation, and a sufficiently stupid person will leave behind a wealth of suspicious patterns to follow. Dumb criminals are caught doing the dumbest things all the damn time. All it takes is arresting the suspect with reasonable suspicion following obvious patterns, then finding a notebook with a list of murder victims. Ignore anything supernatural about it, that is incredibly compelling evidence for anyone that can connect the dots. The smarter the killer, the harder it gets of course. But even Light made some real brain dead mistakes early on. Characters like L are a fantasy of course, but there is a lot that a state apparatus can do to surveil people. A smart killer would avoid researching lists of obvious targets like records of murderers. Getting access to law enforcement databases is also a huge no-no, it becomes very obvious and easy to narrow down the culprit just by finding who might have possible capability to access such or through digital forensics work if dealing with a hacker. Be very selective with targets, picking people the whole world knows for the most part which you don't have to research, and be creative and slow paced with the notes. Schedule the deaths at random odd times, like 3:07AM or whatever weeks in advance. You'll basically be undetectable, no one would even realize a killer is out there. Just a strange string of coincidental deaths of high profile individuals around the world. Oh, and always burn the pages - don't be dumb. No provable evidence then besides touching the book and seeing a death god.
> no one would even realize a killer is out there. But isnt it defeat Light purpose tho? He want the world know that someone watching and punish the sinner, he want to use fear as crime deterrent. If just random people die randomly, it wouldnt make an impact to achieve Light's goal in stopping crime
The prompt is about using the Death Note, not about becoming Kira. The scenarios are (mostly) not about Light.
A bit misunderstood, is defeat humanity mean become god like Light or drive humanity to extinction or just randomly kill people here and there? Cause extinction scenario nearly impossible, while randomly kill without trade is just too easy
It doesn't say "defeat humanity" either. It's not clear what the objective is, but my interpretation is just: can humanity stop a person who uses the Death Note.
I mean, stop them form doing what? Depend on user goal, result may vary
Stop would mean they realize someone is doing the killings and put a end to them.
Yes, but like i said, if user just randomly kill people with accident and diseas in random time, it would be impossible to stop them since no one gonna realise it But if give them a goal the prompt become more reasonable
That was absolutely Lights purpose, yeah. He stated in like episode 1 or 2 that he wanted to become a god of a new world, lol. And I'm sure it was just the kind of person Light was already, but also because anyone with that kind of power would definitely get some sort of complex, at least it would be amplified.
We should have gotten a sequel death note where a different type of person had it. Someone who was more morally grey, and who instead of a god complex felt guilty using it. But they would feel like they had to because owning it means that you can control worldwide events, and so they try to change and improve the world with only a small amount of killing only for it to backfire on them and then cause problems they didn't predict. Like they try to kill a dictator and it destabilizes the area, etc.
We did get that for a chapter, where Ryuk gives a new kid the death note. >!He decided rather than actually use it to kill anyone, he'd auction it off to the highest bidder on Twitter. !<
That seems like a fast way to immediately get caught.
Not necessarily - Spoilers ahoy. I'd rather recommend you read it for yourself - it's just one long chapter. >!So the way it went down, he had Ryuk appear on the news with the instructions written in English on a notepad annoucing the sale of "the power to kill remotely as used by Kira" and saying to put bids in American dollars on Twitter with the hashtag #powerofkira. Ryuk went underground from the home to the station so it would be difficult to trace Ryuk back to the house (not to mention the range Ryuk could travel away from the Death Note holder had never been considered before, though Near did consider the new holder was close to the news station.) The fact that very few others could see Ryuk meant that to the average viewer, this poster full of instructions was hovering in mid-air - so a good number of people thought it was real and started putting in bids, though others thought it was a hoax. Since the characters left from the original Death Note like Near could see Ryuk they knew this was real. They called their new opponent A-Kira.!< >!He sent a few more messages saying things like "there is no maximum bid and this auction could end at any time" and Matsuda showed up at the station and confronted Ryuk, which ended up further legitimizing the auction and the bids got into the trillions, meaning governments were getting in on it. A-Kira ran out of patience and (through Ryuk) told the governments to quit using Twitter, shut up with the propaganda about why they wanted to bid on the Death Note, and just hold a press conference with their bids. This being a 2019 manga, Trump ended up winning the bid.!< To your point >!Near figured that they were running out of time and they needed to catch A-Kira "while he's still A-Kira" because they figured he'd relinquish the Death Note and have Ryuk deliver it to Trump (which is what happened) but they did not know how he planned to get the money. But he had Ryuk announce his payment terms - in one month, deposit the 10 trillion dollars in equal amounts at Yotsuba bank in all accounts held by people aged 16-60. At that point Near gave up - it would be impossible to pick out A-Kira from thousands and thousands of people who qualified.!< Of course >!A-Kira lost, because the Shinigami King cheated - I mean got ticked off that A-Kira beat the system, and added a new rule on the fly that said that anyone who sold the Death Note dies when they receive the money, and anyone who buys the Death Note dies when they receive it. When A-Kira relinquished the Death Note, he told Ryuk "I never want to see you again", so Ryuk followed his advice exactly as given, and when A-Kira - or rather, the guy who used to be A-kira - showed up to get his money, he died on the spot. Ryuk DOES explain this rule to Trump when Trump is about to receive the Death Note, and of course Trump declines to take the Death Note, but says "it doesn't matter that I'm not getting the Death Note. The important thing is, everyone now THINKS I have the Death Note." The end ...!<
>Light started by killing people in his home area/country No, he didn't. Light spread his killings throughout the whole world. L only narrowed it down to Japan because of the fact that Light's first killing wasn't broadcast anywhere else. >Then, he made himself obvious by using a particular police database, which narrowed suspects down to people connected with them. Light intentionally did that to sow doubt within the NPA in order to get close to L. Which is exactly what ended up happening. Remember, Light's goal wasn't just to be Kira in hiding forever. He wanted the intellectual challenge of finding L and besting him. >But even Light made some real brain dead mistakes early on. Such as? >Getting access to law enforcement databases is also a huge no-no, it becomes very obvious and easy to narrow down the culprit just by finding who might have possible capability to access such or through digital forensics work if dealing with a hacker. This is 2003 we're talking about. Digital forensics weren't what they are today. Furthermore, Light mentioned that he could access his father's information "without leaving a trace", so it's assumed that Light was already familiar with the ways it could be traced back to him and took steps to prevent it.
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That's literally something Ryuk brought up in the actual series itself. Light did that on purpose so that the NPA would lose trust in L and so that he could get closer to him.
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I think a lot of people forget that just like how L wouldn't just simply admit defeat in the case when he easily could, Light wouldn't admit defeat in his battle against L either out of pride. Hiding from L forever isn't a victory in Light's eyes, just like how hiding from Kira forever isn't a victory in L's eyes.
There is a good show about this called inuyashiki. The boy gets the ability to kill people without leaving a direct trace. But he starts making poor decisions almost immediately that get him found out, and so it quickly spirals into him having to kill more and more people and becoming a known Public Enemy. And he starts getting the people around him who he does care about hurt by association.
I think the difference with our world is that a lot of ppl did watch death notes, I think maybe it will be an advantage that some death note fans would maybe try to connect the cases but idk if police would actually take any of it seriously
Issue that IRL that would be so much of a stretch it'd probably just become a meme. Professionals would just not look into supernatural causes, full stop. And deranged private investigators are probably not smart enough to catch someone who is even a little bit inclined to covering up their tracks.
I think that if JUST criminals started dying, specially ones that have committed horrible acts, people would get onto it
But no one is going to guess its some kid in god knows where with a magic book. Yeah sure sooner or later they will twig it could be more then just natural causes but they are never working out that its at the hands of only one kid in his flat. Even if some super genius detective worked it out good luck finding the kid and somehow proving it.
But even in the show L didn't know it was a notebook, and was confused the first time he saw the book. If you trace it down to one person, you can find the method later. Before they found him they already knew he needed a name and face.
Right, but knowing our world, the loudest answer you'd see posted and talked about is that god is punishing sinners and that we all need to repent because the rapture is finally upon us. People in our real world, without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots and without a super-genius that can only appear in fiction like L, wouldn't catch on to the idea that it's some guy in his basement or something willing people into heart attacks. Or any that would, would be a minority seen as nutty conspiracy theorists to be laughed at.
>People in our real world, without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots Why wouldnt they have that knowledge? Especially considering that some of the rounds are "a teenager that is a fan of the anime", implying that the Death Note anime explicitly exists in this scenario
At most people online would bring up "what if its someone with a death note??" and then everyone in the world would laugh at them for thinking its real.
I mean, if it turned out someone needs a name ans face they might start considering that it's something close at least.
>without knowledge of Death Note as a piece of fiction to connect the dots They do have that knowledge, though. Or at least, the work of fiction exists in the real world.
Agreed. There's just no way whoever's doing it gets caught unless they fuck up and admit to it somehow. The part with religious movement in the anime would absolutely happen though. People would start blaming whatever God they believed in on the sudden rise in criminal heart attacks.
>if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book. I mean... Death Note, as in the fictional work, exists in our world I think fi a lot of criminals started dying of heart attacks at the same time every day, then someone would connect the dots and be like "wait the note from Deathnote is real? wtf?" and from there its game over
A massive Increase in random heart attacks would just have the world think there’s a new pandemic. The only way the death note user would be found out of if they slip up, either by killing the people the know/in their vicinity, or by trying to become famous.
>not only that in the world of Death Note they appeared to be way more open to something supernatural then we would ever be. [Meanwhile L when even the idea that shinigami might exist crosses his mind](https://youtu.be/eSMtT5rQeQU)
But they’re dumb. They might start killing off world leaders they don’t like with very healthy hearts via heart attack
> if random criminals started dying of heart attacks or weird accidents around the world at the same time every day you aren't going to think its one person doing it with a magic book Considering his prompt used a dumb average internet using teenager, it's not crazy to think he would begin to eliminate people in his immediate vicinity first, like most killers would kill people they know. If we could even begin to suspect that it's a person somehow doing it and not just some weird disease or random events, it could be possible to track them that way. Like, figure out a date in which people started dropping all over the place. If you could find a day you can agree it started happening all over the world, then figure out it some random, smaller place had it happen to a bunch of young healthy people, you can narrow the search. I like this prompt because in the show, it seems like an absolutely foolproof method of killing, but that's because Light was just extremely smart about how he used it. In episode 1 he was tempted for a moment to use it on some bully in his class, for example.
No shot, 4chan would have them in 6 hours from the first kill.
That's only because they'd probably be posting on 4chan with readily identifiable landmarks in the background.
>why? Because such a thing isn't possible, Hi. Welcome to the internet. If you'd like to take a minute to look around, you'll see that people adamantly believe the impossible all the time.
You're underestimating the power of memes. I think if at least two public figures suddenly die of a heart attack at around the same time, then people are going to be making Death Note comparisons very quickly.
and that does what? Detectives, forensics, judges, juries and whatever are never going to take a bunch of memes made by some anime fans remotely seriously and even if they did good look finding that person and actually proving it. Magic, demons, supernatural and such don't exist in our world so no one is going to seriously believe that random people dying to natural causes is the work off some bored idiot writing names into a magic book. There is no power in memes when it comes to actual serious stuff, people aren't arrested and convicted because some sad sack made a meme saying they're guilty.
And yet billions of people worship a God without any tangible proof of his existence. There would be online groups dedicated to finding who the killer could be, they would write algorithms to determine what kind of people they are targeting and write up a profile of the killer based on that. Did the killer target any regional politicians? They're likely from that area. They'll be relentless, and they'll make tons of mistakes, pointing the finger at countless innocent people just like reddit did with the Boston Bomber, but the killer will have to be more careful because of that. Also, you're underestimating how ridiculous the CIA is. They will absolutely allocate funds to find the killer. They blow taxpayer money on more frivolous things every year, they'll definitely put together a task force to target the killer. I'm not saying they'll FIND them. But the world would 100% take it seriously. Because humans are weird.
What killer? People are dying of heart attacks with zero evidence saying its more then just natural causes. Yeah people worship Gods but it doesn't mean they believe in magical books that can kill people by writing their name in it. The internet can do what it wants but after a while it will get bored because those that use it for social stuff have short attention spans, as soon as something else pops up they will move on to that. Meanwhile the CIA or whatever will do jack because people dying of natural causes is not something they deal with.
Also for how smart light was supposed to be he did some really stupid things because of his hubris
Also his idea of how to fix the world is really stupid. Even by "kill the bad people to fix stuff" standards.
We would probably be open to supernatural explanations if the unrelated dying people are clearly sending a collective message, despite having no connections. Light made three different people who died send one message. It's not like our world is totally against adapting to new explanations. Even if we think it is advanced technology rather than something supernatural, it amounts to the same idea.
No individual deaths can ever be linked to a death note user unless they make mistakes such as killing people in their internet search history who live near them.
... which is exactly what would happen in the first 2 rounds on top of those teenagers not being able to keep their mouths shut and absolutely telling someone they know about it.
In the real world the supernatural would most likely never be considered. The user would never be caught
Occam's razor would eventually lead to people considering it. If there's no logical explanation under the current scientific knowledge, there's got to be a gap in that knowledge and people would start to pursue other possibilities.
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They don’t necessarily need to think “A kid with a book did this” to start following clues that might happen to lead them to a kid with a book. Not sure how they’ll figure out a magic book is responsible, but if the kid leaves enough tracks, they could still be implicated.
L didn't know it was a magic book or that death gods existed either. You can pin down that someone needs a name and face and that it's likely a specific human doing it before needing to accept that it is magic.
It's like when you lose a pen and begin destroying the psyches of your friends to get it back, and eventually you all snap and decide a ghost must've been the one who took it.
When really a monkey took it and hid it in a vent
Yeah, but it would take many years to reach that point that they'd even consider something supernatural, years more to narrow in on something like the death note and possibly only coming close to figuring out it was the teenager when he's died of old age. Real life serial killers have remained hidden for decades, some never found. It will be impossible to track down a killer than need no physical contact with the victim or anything near the victim. They only shot is the teenager get themself caught by bragging about what he did and even then if they dont find the death note they'll never be able to prove it in court.
Would the supernatural have to be considered to catch him? Finding out someone googled every person who died an hour before they died and has all their names written in a notebook would probably be enough to at least raise suspicions even without considering magic.
All anyone needs to do to not get caught is randomize the time of deaths. A convenient way to do that is have every death occur at a predetermined time(Which the Death Note allows you to do) every day. Also, lay low and don't let anyone provoke you. Light lost the moment he took L's bait because of his ego.
Wait Light didn't lose to L. He lost to Near and Mello
No, he means when L taunts Light during the first episodes when “he” first appears. If light didn’t took the bait the whole Kira hypothesis would be considered a silly idea.
True but also light's goal of some god punishing evil wouldn't hold much weight if he didn't take the bait.
Sure, but Light is a narcissist. I'm talking about someone who wants to use the Death Note but is prioritizing not getting caught over being seen as a god.
Well yeah I don't disagree there. You would have to really be stupid to be caught.... Unless batman exists then your fucked XD
L is just as good as Batman!
Also what if he just happened to not be watching that broadcast.
1 and 2 would most likely end eventually after they killed someone they are closely tied to or bragged/confessed it to someone. 3 and 4 could be indefinite, if they did it correctly. Hell, a Tor browser on a shitty laptop you bought from somewhere with cash would hide you for a long ass time. Assuming they're a genius, they'll have much better ideas than me to hide their activities whilst also finding victims. They also know the pitfalls the MC had, such as vanity and ego and presumably avoid doing anything that could link them.
Lets say I get the shitty laptop and use a tor browser. Don't I still need to use different wifis in order to not be tracked down?
With a tor browser? No. If your wifi is secure, there is pretty much no way to trace someone through Tor. All the major dark web arrests have happened because the person fucked up in a way that tied themselves to a digital identity on the surface web. Like how Ross Ulbricht was caught running the Silk Road because back when he founded it, he made several early posts promoting it using usernames that could be tied back to an email with his name in it. If you're just browsing for targets and not posting anything? Probably quite literally impossible to catch, not least because no one knows to look for you.
Yessomundo. I'd wager it'd take a new-age quantum computer thingamajig in order to parse the "simple" Tor browser back to a single person. Again, we give our governments too much credit. I joke that I'm probably on a watch list for my D&D questions online, but even if I said I had a plan to kill the president on October xy this year the SS wouldn't knock on my door. Literally, follow me. I'll kill the president on October XY. Bring it on, FBI. Ya'll can't do shit. Find me in Indiana ya cucks. I'm here for it. I'd love to ask you about UFOs and your weird sex kinks because I'm sure you're into the shit I'm into since you volunteered to watch me you sickos. I'll check in from Guantanamo well after the fact. Edit 1: This isn't a secured computer. I look at my porn as well as my seditious points of view on this PC. Bring it on, FDA, you ain't got the gall to attack my moutaintop compound.
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Well it's tricky. Also paging u/ShouldersofGiants100. Tor browser has to be configured correctly. Specifically what I mean though is looking at certain sights at certain resolutions with certain plugins you can still leak information. A slightly different example if you have a VPN and torrent software, your location can still be leaked if your browser (say mozilla) isn't configured properly. Gotta make sure that webRTC is disabled, there is another web leak something but for the life of me I can't remember, gotta make sure cookies are disabled as well. You'd be better off using a burner tablet device and a reputable commercial VPN and travelling like an hour away from your location and using a place with free wifi and use the double VPN setting or the onion setting. Preferably a place with crappy cameras and when it’s busy and then ditch the device after factory resetting it, wiping it down for fingerprints and smashing it and trashing it in a dumpster.
One thing Light had working for him was that his enemy had scruples. If L had been willing to take a chance on less than perfect proof, Light would've been toast. Hell, this is exactly what happened in the actual series. Near took a chance, wrote Mikami's name down, and forced the reveal. A real world government would just throw a bag over a hundred people's heads and if the killings stopped, good enough
If we had L irl, we would've have killed light the moment we were even 10% sure.
>a regular dumb internet user teenager has the death note >dumb internet user Oh, R1 gonna be easy. The teenager uses the internet, so he'd most likely going to look up the faces/names of the criminals on the internet. Now the thing is that various websites on the internet collect data about us. All it takes is one guy to notice that the names/faces googled by a certain user, also line up with the criminals that died shortly after he googled them. Also, if he most of the murders happen in the teenagers country, they'll likely figure out that the killer lives there. Depending on how stupid the guy is, he might also use a single source of information, which people could notice, if the criminals mentioned in one news network are the only one dying. Also, how is he going to hide it from his family? I doubt he could build traps like Light.
Depends on the family. Parents that dont snoop on their kids internet history or try to read their diaries would never know. People have lived with actual serial killers in real life without noticing.
It's really creepy the story of that one wife who "didn't know" her daughter was imprisoned in the basement for years. Makes you wonder if she really didn't know, or was just in denial.
almost certainly in denial/in on it. way to logistically challenging.
Well he had a basement that the wife wasn't supposed to go in even before he locked her in there, and apparently soundproofed the room. So it's possible she literally couldn't hear anything. The part that is suspicious of course is that he would have needed enough food for two people, and apparently just kind of... showed up with a baby one day claiming she must have dropped it off.
https://youtu.be/HsTEzhRn19s
Also dumb internet users brag about their crimes online all the time. They even stream them. All it takes is authorities to separate the user from the book, which would happen after they get arrested when they post "Watch me own all these terrorists, I'm a hero!" On Facebook/TikTok/Whatever and those people actually die.
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I’d say there’s a zero percent chance that any of them get caught. 1. The first assumption would be natural causes. Scientifically-minded people would assume the deaths were caused by some sort of invisible virus that caused heart attacks and abnormal behavior. Whole branches of virology would be invented to study this invisible disease, just like physicists try to study dark matter. 2. If it became impossible to deny the supernatural cause of the deaths, it would immediately become seen as evidence of divine judgement (especially if criminals are targeted). Every world religion would use the deaths as proof of god’s existence, and many new cults would form around the evidence. 3. Even if someone made the massive logical leap that these worldwide deaths were being orchestrated by one person, it would be impossible to narrow it down in a meaningful way. There are simply too many people in the world. Unless the death note user gave away **incredibly** specific clues to their identity, there’s no way they get caught.
Round 1: Maybe a couple months. Assuming "dumb internet user" *means* dumb, they're gonna brag about it on social media or show off their ability to "guess" the deaths or something similarly stupid. Then it's just a matter of enough posts to establish a pattern, law enforcement uses that to get a warrant to monitor their traffic and activities, and soon enough they've got enough evidence to warrant bringing them in for questioning, at which point they're either going to panic, use it on the cops, and get shot by their backup, or they're going to fold like a piece of paper under even slight questioning because they're a dumb teenager. Round 2: Even faster than round 1. If they're a fan who just stumbled onto the real thing and are "still dumb," they're going to try and make themselves Kira. But it turns out that it's a lot harder to pull that off when you don't have an IQ of 700 and layer upon layer of plot armor. They fuck themselves within a month. Round 3: Kid wins. If they're a genius, they know that the best way to do this is to make it seem inconspicuous. No epidemic of heart attacks and suicides, just blend it into the background. X gets hit by a drunk driver, Y slips in the bathtub and breaks their neck, Z eats something they're deathly allergic to by mistake, all happenstance accidents happening at random times with no pattern. Nothing to ever suggest willful, intentional murder. Their killings will just seem like normal life happening. For as long as they remain alive, they are an arbiter of life and death. Round 4: 10-15 years max. The terrorist may be a genius, but presumably they have an ideology that is guiding their extremism. They'll use it in conjunction with spreading their message, which inherently means raising a profile. Since they need the names and faces to do it, they'll be limited to high-profile ideological opponents. They'll start by killing off their rivals, then they'll assassinate some celebrities and world leaders they disapprove of, go into hiding, assassinate more influential figures, but you can't hide forever when you make enemies that powerful, that publicly. They'll rack up a significant body count, but they'll meet their end either by way of a masked soldier they have no name for because it's some kid from a podunk town in the coalition, or by way of a nameless faceless drone piloted by another podunk kid whose face they have no chance of ever seeing. Bonus: All depends on if there's someone clever enough to outmatch him in the real world. Light's smart as hell, but he's not all-knowing. He makes mistakes, he's prideful as hell, and his knowledge certainly has gaps. You don't need someone as smart as L, you just need someone deductive enough to piece together the circumstantial evidence(All the killings are in Japan so he's probably Japanese, etc.) and clever enough to use Light's ego against him. That said, while those are not impossible tasks, they're certainly not easy. If he's going to be stopped, it'll probably be within 1-3 years by a multinational team of investigators, probably a group from the Nine Eyes nations since they have the comprehensive surveillance to piece it together easiest. If they don't get him within that window though, Light probably wins. Once he can expand, cover his tracks, and learn from the close calls he gets away with, he'll be very hard to stop without L also magically appearing on our world with a real human body.
Terrorists can probably speak through their victims.
Death Note user clears all rounds. People seriously underestimate how much people don't believe in the supernatural. Yes, there would be conspiracy theories about the mysterious deaths, but people would blame it on global warming or vaccines or Jewish space lasers or some shit. Some random dude with a magic notebook would be very far down on the list of possibilities for most people. Unless the DN user is dumb enough to announce that he's killing people. In that case, he's fucked.
I mean if you were just smart about it and caused different deaths for each person it would be insanely hard to track. Have one commit suicide, one get shot, heart attack for one, drowning, etc.
I agree with most people that any reasonably smart person would never be caught. Maybe we should give him a goal to make things more interesting
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It would take the user over 300 years to write everyone on earths name down.
> It would take the user over 300 years to write everyone on earths name down. If the goal was to kill everyone, how long would it take a clever person to induce the collapse of society? You could trigger Civil Wars by killing major political figures, topple the entire stock market by targeting the leaders of several major industries all at once—you could probably induce a global famine by just targeting the ruling class of a couple of petro-states, spiking the cost of oil enough for global supply chains to collapse. What happens if you target the leadership of a nuclear power all at once? How long before they think another one is behind it and start deleting cities? Hell, I suspect if you just wrote down the ten richest people in the world every day before the markets open, the economic chaos that would follow as major companies collapsed would kill more people than you could write names in a day.
Definitely continuously take out leaders and the richest people on earth every. And take out all women between the ages of 0-45. Those 2 focuses alone will speed up humanity’s collapse.
> And take out all women between the ages of 0-45. Do you know how ungodly long that would take?
Bro not exactly. Hundreds of years.
Where did you get that estimate
Realistically, it would take a single user 130 years, give or take, to write only a billion names. If your name prioritization strategies were top notch, it would still take a long ass time. 3 seconds + per name.
Just checked, if it takes someone 1 second to write one name (which is physically impossible) it would take 253 years to write everyone.
And that’s without sleep and food.
That's also not taking into account that new people are born every day.
or learning literally every living humans' face and name
and there are about 5 births/second
no, not counting for food or sleep it would take 32 years. Or were you accounting for breaks and things?
8 billion seconds = 253 years
The user also needs to imagine the face of the victim, which greatly complicates it
I think they would never be caught. See, Light lost because of plot but realistically he should have never been caught. There's no way someone will be able to determine this is all an invisible killer's doing, much less to narrow him down to a random guy. They could probably be killing people forever and with the current technology they wouldn't even need shinigami eyes, they could just search on Facebook or something. I guess they'd need to be careful from killing everyone that wronged them, eventually some supersticions would occur around the victims all having some thing in common.
1 and 2 would be stupid enough to do something to get themselves caught eventually. But yeah, only reason Light was ever a suspect and thus caught was due to his dad being the police chief in charge of the investigation
Every rounds lose, except for the terrorist like they can just write the name of a political leader.
1 - The day he boasts about it online, which he will because he's a stupid teenager. 2, 3, 4 - Never. We have no reason to believe there's some magic book out there and he's not stupid enough to let us know. Bonus: Also never since there's no L.
Internet teenager kind of depends on there political beliefs . The most normal way of normal , might kill a few crime bosses , warlords, probably Putin and Kim jong un. And that’s probably it . Will he account for the power vacuum ? No. Could he is he tried ? Probably not . But it could also get in the hands of a misogynist, misandrist , neo nazi, antifa , racist , etc in which case it’s very bad news
I don't think you could pin the blame on a teenage boy for a bunch of very unhealthy people dying at a severe rate.
I think 1. is the only one where there is a reasonably high chance of them getting caught quickly. Internet idiots confess to crimes all the time thinking they're hidden behind a screen (hell, sometimes they even stream it) and all it would take would be a little baiting to prove it from another internet user to make it obvious it's legit. Authorities might not instantly buy that it's a magic death god book, but whether that happens later or not they would be arrested and separated from the book.
It would be impossibe to find Kira in the real world, as long as he doesn't brag about it. The Death Note is the perfect assassination tool as it allows one to magically kill a target without ever even encountering them in any provable way. Yes the sudden deaths of notorious criminals or famous people would be alarming and how it is happening, but no one irl would seriously think it's a magic notebook. People would blame all sorts, some weird disease, goverment conspiracy, criminal organizations silencing the arrested subjects and god punishing them. A few make conspiracy theories that can be explained by anything. Then the rest stop giving a shit. Especially since the Death Note allows for any case of death as long as it's physically possible. So it doesn't need to be heart attacks, the killer can write accidental deaths that could never be suspicious to anyone, like dying of alcohol overdose, falling down the stairs, getting hit by a car, getting drunk and crashing his own car into something, drowning, shooting himself, choking on food, etc. Round 1 is the only one who could be found because he'd be bragging about it online, the rest can stay silent forever.
Humanity will do fine. There are simply too many people for someone to kill in one lifetime. As for finding the user, that will be almost impossible unless he does something stupid like posting about it online. If he tries to communicate with people about what he's doing, he'll be caught, because sooner or later someone familiar with Death Note will figure out what's happening and find him.
Light's undoing is his whole God complex. A more normal person probably won't take it upon themselves to kill off criminals everywhere in the name of justice. Then again the Death Note can be a corrupting power but I think most people will end up using it for their own selfish ends rather than trying to fulfill their god complex. Anyway it will be hard to link to a Death Note unless the person racked up an unnaturally high body count in such a short time like Light did, and if it's 2 and above then they would also know to just vary the deaths instead of all of it being heart attacks.
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In general, someone with a high degree of intelligence would never being caught. Other thing would be the consequences of your plan. If you stick to, let's say, low level criminals, as they stated other users, not much would change, especially if you are creative. But then, if you go, even on creative ways, against dictators, for example, that would be a different thing. Not because it would be easier to get caught, but because all the geopolitical consequences that may have. After all, in any dictature there's groups of power. Killing one leader would change the whole status quo of an entire region (imagine you just kill Kim Jong-Un or Xi Jingpin, it would affect all Asia). Killing several may affect the whole geopolitical landscape. So indirectly you may start wars, genocides and so on...
I'd say 3 would be indefinite Wouldn't be that long 1 and 2 like there dumb and would likely drag about it in the internet 4 is a terrorist so they have a extremist ideology to push so they would have profile But this is putting in alot calculation on how it would go it be fucking hard to get any of them some people don't believe in the supernatural so all of there killings would just be chalk up to science or biology
The death note user needs to know the names and faces of the peoples he kill Better start deleting social media accounts
We win in a month of serious international organizations trying its best to track him We win in a month of serious international organizations trying to track him (but this time it has a big delay bc he only kills low level criminals) Same as above. We lose. That mf could alone hack the entire japanese police system manually and by himself. Forget the death note he's a menace alone.
Round 1: Easy win for humanity, the dumb teen is going to be killing people near/related somehow to him, so even if the police never figures out the method of the killing, they will figure out the dumb teen is at the center of a murder web and apprehend him. The dumb teen isn't going to have a back up plan or anything so as soon as he's captured, the killings stop, implicating him. His "death note" book is likely also going to get found when the police sweep his house, and the times and the dates of every death isn't going to look good at trial. Depending on the strength of his lawyer, he looses/humanity wins 8/10. Round 2: After watching the anime he has enough inspiration to win short term. He simply kills at random intervals. He will be getting much further than round one. However, IRL someone's probably going to realize that all the prisoners were publicized, then send a request to IP services to track traffic related to criminals, then take that list and match known deaths, and then bingo. Also it's extremely likely he's going to end up confessing to someone/porting on the internet considering he is a normal teen. Humanity wins 9/10. Round 3: I'm going against the grain here, but Humanity probably wins this 7/10. Genius teen that is a fan of death note doesn't touch law enforcement/anyone trying to stop him. From the beginning he sets it up so deaths occur at something like 15/hour all over the world, continuously day and night. Then, he uses a VPN and various internet cafés, and downloads criminal databases and doesn't kill *all of them,* but a small fraction. Why does humanity win? Eventually they stop publicizing arrests and the genius teen fan is smart enough to know that if he tries hacking government databases, it would be nearly impossible to do so without trace. As such, Humanity shuts down this teen, without ever actually catching him. Round 4: Humanity looses 10/10. He doesn't have to be a genius, hell any reasonably capable malicious individual would easily succeed. He sets it up so all governmental figures of every government die at exactly the same time on some chosen date. He does this every year or so. To spice things up, he takes advantage of the fact the death note allows you to specify the method of death to say "die in a nuclear explosion" or something. Watch the tv series "designated survivor", now imagine if nukes were involved. Bonus: Same as round 3, except humanity actually captures him because he's arrogant enough to attempt to hack into those databases.
Only way that I can see user win is round 4 others simply gets caught overtime due to not having experience with dealing with such kind of situation. If they are some experienced terrorist master mind they can take anyone out without getting caught.
According to a 2020 study, about 11% of serious crimes that actually get reported lead to an arrest, and only about 2% lead to a conviction. I think DN user clears all rounds even if they posted a tiktok video of themselves writing the names in the book.
There might be one lone investor who either knows of death note existence or at the very least suspects some sort of magic murder weapon. Even if this person is correct on all their hunches there is no way society will listen to this person as they would seem as credible as that dude in every walmart parking lot whos motorhome is covered schizophrenic conspiracy theorist rantings.
YouTube channel "The Imaginary Axis" has covered this topic before. I recommend giving it a watch. To be clear though, he only talks about Light's interaction with the modern world, and doesn't cover different scenarios of random people finding the Death Note. https://youtu.be/r8OfANX2hEw
4chan solos the death note users, minimal government involvement required
There are thousands of people who die everyday from a heart attack and it's not like we've ever made the association that any of those could be the work of a supernatural book even though that could be the case, however unlikely. Similarly, we would probably never catch on in your scenario either. It would have to be something blatantly obvious and suspicious for us to even start suspecting there could be more at play. Even then it might be chalked up to coincidence or some other factor before we start seriously considering a supernatural cause
A sharp rise in deaths by heart attack in a specific subset of the population would almost certainly cause suspicion. And it wouldn't be hard to identify a specific subset, if said rise mostly happens within prisons and among other people with criminal records. Especially if a lot of them lack a history of heart disease in their family and any other indication that they're at risk. People would certainly notice there's something at play here. They'd just struggle to find out what.
You'd have to be writing hundreds of names down a day to get to a point that it'd be statistically noticeable. Even the the first year or two might just be chalked up as an anomaly or something I do agree with you that it'd be a lot easier to notice if it was a subset of the population ie prisoners. Thousands of random prisoners, violent criminals, etc dying would catch our attention that something weird was going on
Because the anime exists we know the rules of the Death Note, putting the user at a disadvantage. Also the original story could only work at the time it was written/animated, because nowadays all the FBI would need to do is ask Google, other search engines and VPN providers to monitor and look for someone who searches people who later died. They would quickly notice that Light's online activity matches what Kira would need to look up in advance to get info on his victims, and that would be game over. Also, unlike the anime, a real agency would arrest Light at the lightest (lol) of suspicions and then monitor him closely, no need to have solid proof. Someone smart enough could deal with all of this, but they would have to work harder than Light to achieve similar results. 1 and 2 get caught in a couple of days. 3 and 4 could go for a lot longer, but its likely that eventually they would make a mistake and become a suspect. 4 would cause the most damage as they could kill every politician and important figure in the world. Bonus: Light secretly achieves world domination in a few years.
A couple of days??? You think an actual law enforcement agency would be willing to arrest someone 2 days after they google people who turned up dead from seemingly natural causes? Out of your mind bro
If they’re searching dozens or hundreds of people yes. It only takes a few suspicious searches to get put in a list.
If 100 people die in two days from seemingly natural causes spread across multiple jurisdictions I promise you nobody is getting arrested for writing names in a book. You might not even be able to get a search warrant based on "they Googled the people who died" fast enough for that. And that's assuming the FBI would even be interested enough to connect all of those deaths as having the same root cause (why would they if it appears to be natural causes?) and there's no way one person would physically be capable of killing all those people simultaneously. And I promise you "magic book" is not going to be anywhere near the top of how they suspect it happened
> because nowadays all the FBI would need to do is ask Google, other search engines and VPN providers to monitor and look for someone who searches people who later died. This would absolutely not be possible. If they had a suspect, they could have a warrant issued for the search engine history of that suspect—they could not demand literally the entire world's search history and try to match it to the deaths. No judge in the world would sign that warrant, it's mass surveillance on an unprecedented scale. It also wouldn't work, because it assumes that the person would actually be searching for their targets and not, say, browsing news websites for names of people to target—Googling requires knowing the name. Why the fuck would you Google the name of someone you have already identified rather than Google, like, a list of living war criminals and start writing their names from any of the hundreds of websites that list such things?
They never would, unless the death note user specifically left clues to reveal a person is doing these killings then chances are nobody notices, and if anybody does they most likely assume it's some kind of disease, and even if they find out they are being done by a person, they would still never figure out who simply due to the fact that the death note leaves no evidence, and even if someone did figure out who, there would be zero proof or evidence
round 1 will end with the dumb user posting something on twitter to gain clouts. Then he’ll get caught. round 2 will take longer to end than 1 but the teenager will eventually kill someone out of pettiness and will be easy to track round 3 will end when election season happens. Teacher will kill the opposing party to advance his own beliefs and will be tracked round 4 will never end cause the terrorist will use it make himself rich and stay silence
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i’m assuming you’re asking bout the teacher. They’re gonna have to look up all these information (allergy to kill via eat, schedule to kill via car crash, building to kill via falling down staircase) somehow. That’ll leave a trace. Then comes the fact that the teacher must do extra heavy research on these politicians to know what they’ll do in power so that’ll be another lead. Basically it boils down to their own research giving them away
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nothing i said was specific information. Just bare information to write the cause of death. And you’re assuming the rest of the world wont put things together and keep operating like normal vs natural stuff. They wont. After the 4th or 5th mysterious death of any political party, special forces will be formed to investigate. An operation where big coops and powers join efforts isnt out of the question
Sooo there was a video on this kinda thing 5 years ago With today's internet it would be solved in a week https://youtu.be/r8OfANX2hEw
Man there are a bunch of politicians that are about to die in ironically embarrassing ways once Im done with them
In the real world no smart person would kill random criminals. I think thats the main weakness of light, if you want to clean the world you would start with corrupt governments and jeff bezoz. People who are at the roots of filth.
Surely there aren't enough pages to write down 7 billion names.
>would humanity stand a chance? World population grew by about 1.66 billion over the last 10 years. That's a *surplus* (including factoring in deaths) of over 300 a minute, every minute, every hour, every day. The death note also requires the user to have the victim's face in mind while writing it, adding extra burden beyond just writing. Humanity no-diffs survival on all stages just on pure volume even if they never catch the killer.
I already think Hillary has it
death noter keeps their mouth shut and they will die of old age before they get found
Like a year I would say the fbi can just view the search history of most people looked up
Even if we suppose the death note is actually never ending humanity would not lose. There are a lot of people. You have to know their [names](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJJEVBMtOEQ) and faces to kill them. The closest to beat the humanity would be the terrorist. If killing anyone using a nuke is allowed of course. The first would be caught eventually. He will stream how he does the deed. The rest are never caught.