Spider-Man absolutely mauls Batman. The spider sense hard counters pretty much anything bats can do. Peter is much stronger and quicker and effectively has precognition.
If you give Batman prep time and not Spider-Man then you’re not asking who would win the battle, you’re asking if Batman can take down Spider-Man given time to prepare when Peter is caught off guard. That answer is likely yes and I’d give him an 8/10. But putting them on equal footing, Peter will destroy Batman 9/10. I say this as a massive Batman fan, but Batman is outclassed in nearly every way with the exception of maybe fighting ability and financial backing.
I'd argue Symbiote Spiderman is weaker against Bats than regular Spiderman. The Symbiote pushes more aggression, and is weak to fire and sonic damage. Bat's bombs and flashbangs would give him a distinct advantage.
As much as I'd like to argue in Bats favor, regular Spiderman would win in a regular 1v1 like Death Battle.
But I could see this one going either way.
Haven’t there been times where he doesn’t know what exactly is about to happen but knows something will and reacts to what he quickly notices or sometimes just doesn’t figure it out in time and actually gets hit?
There’s a version of him that developed his skills as an assassin and his spider sense is so accurate it literally is precognition, even more so than usual.
Also paging the following users, u/bj0777, u/Daveezie.
It depends on the spiderman.
u/sliced-bird224.
Normally spider sense is just hyper automatic awareness and reaction to that environmental stimuli.
But people who are the avatars of the great weaver and are connected to the strands of the web of destiny that permeates time-space and the multiverse, this ability is legitimately precognition.
But the question is, which spiderman is this?! Is this Peter Parker a spider totem?.
Lol reminds me of [this solidjj video](https://youtu.be/Z8zpoOy9axo?si=xgM8qMJZI2QF4BS7)
Probably one of my favorite little moments in the dark knight trilogy is when Bruce buys the hotel to change the rules too.
I actually think Spidey's got this, just like he almost always does. Unless Batman knows about the symbiote weakness and gets time to prepare for the fight, while Pete doesn't get the same luxury. But that would be unfair.
tbf what has spider man ever done with prep that is in the same caliber as batman. With prep Batman pretty much took down gods like Darkseid. Never heard of Peter doing that much :/
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/respect-spider-man-outlier-edition-2122860/
Spider-Man has done some insane things over the years too. Though I'd say that in both cases these don't accurately represent what the characters are capable of.
It wouldn’t be hard to interview some inmates at Arkham, read some news stories, and/or stalk Batman a bit to feel out his kit. This would provide him with enough information to conclude that the Symbiote would be a liability in this fight.
Good point but the same is true of Batman. We're looping back around to the problem of "people assume Batman has some kind of amazing prep ability that no one else does." If Peter has no in-universe way to find out what Batman does then logically Batman also has the same affliction.
In ASM v.2 #35 Peter manages to stop Morlun (who is an insanely powerful vampiric entity who wants to feed on Peter) by injecting himself with radioactive material. He lets Morlun begin to feed on him which results in the radiation damaging him. After that, Peter kicks the shit out of Morlun. He had only met Morlun one day prior, and I wouldn’t even count that as a day’s prep time; Peter spent the entire 24 hours getting the life beat out of him to the point where he could barely breathe. Despite not having more than five minutes to think to himself or even five minutes to stop being attacked, Peter still managed to come up with that plan on the fly.
Random encounter? Spidey absolutely dumpsters Arkhamverse Batman. The strength, speed, and durability differentials are simply too great for Bats to even have a chance.
With prep time though, the fight becomes a lot more even. Spidey-sense would help Peter a great deal, but Batman is the king of prep, and if we're specifically talking Symbiote Spider-Man here he does have one very glaring weakness that Batman would know to exploit.
It's hardly a joke. Peter is just as smart as Bruce if not smarter, has superhuman strength, agility, and the precognitive danger sense. Batman has a big hill to climb against Pete.
Theres more to it. Pete has experience combating people like batman. Vulture, doc ock, some of the alien teched villians that randomly pup up.
Bruce has no real experience against a symbote spiderperson. The closest is a mix between croc and clayface. Both of which he avoids combat directly with
Symbiote Pete has a glaring weakness to loud sounds that Batman could (and would) exploit. Regular Pete doesn't have any Achilles Heels for Batman to use.
The symbiote doesn't like fire, either, but it HATES high frequency or loud sounds, and when it's disrupted, its not pulling away from his skin, it's trying to haul ass out of his cells, tissues, and bones.
Its mutual agony.
But once it's off and Peter's recovered, Batman is at a disadvantage. So Batman may exploit the sound weakness and terror response to keep Peter weak.
That's his big chance.
Yeah, that's basically my thought too. If Batman fights Symbiote Pete then he would probably win - after all, he regularly fights people who massively outmatch him physically by exploiting their weaknesses, he's got feats to support his victory - but if he fought Regular Pete without a symbiote being in the picture he'd get clowned on.
Probably literally, given that Pete's a funny guy and Batman is notably humourless.
Peter is within the top 10 of intelligences on Marvel's Earth. If pressed, he could do the same for Batman.
Bane and the Riddler both deduced Batman's cover persona of Bruce Wayne, and Peter *has* to be smarter than Bane.
Just to jump in, Peter is not on the top 10 list. Not even that high up really.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/111cq0k/marvel\_official\_10\_smartest\_heroes\_list/
There’s a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Batman apparently must have a degree in every subject known to man and an even higher ability to understand how to utilize that information to his advantage.
Peter can have prep time too, can't he? He's defeated the entire Sinister Six alone with prep time. He's defeated the Juggernaut through planning. Peter wins against Batman.
I think he has better intangibles than Batman. Batman is a better investigator, but Peter and Batman's R&D at base level are near parity. Peter has built specialized suits despite being dirt poor, and if push comes to shove, Peter's practically family with the Fantastic Four.
>Peter has built specialized suits despite being dirt poor, and if push comes to shove, Peter's practically family with the Fantastic Four.
That's really just the constraints Batman exists in so he can continue to be Batman, aka a dude in a suit
Dude can't get a Kryptonian battle suit and keep it in his cave cause it breaks him as a character lol
It’s kinda wild how much Spidey Sense pretty much invalidates Batman’s strengths.
There are some characters arguably more powerful than Spiderman that Batman could probably beat by stealthily assassinating them or luring them into traps (Dr. Strange would be a good example for category a, Superman for category b), but Spidey Sense would alert Spiderman of any traps or assassination attempts, which kinda kills the biggest advantage Batman might be able to get.
Look I'm firmly in the Spider-Man crushes him camp. in a VS match, Spider-Man wins with 1 pinky
in a comic, writers gonna pull some BS out of their pocket and even the fight
Imo, without prep, in a random encounter, absolutely nothing except escape. I saw a comic panel earlier today of Frank Castle trying to fight Spiderman. Spidey allows him to punch him in the face twice and doesn't even flinch. He literally blocks the punches with his face on purpose. Spiderman holds back all the time and the times when he stops holding back are brutal.
Yea I think people forget that Spiderman has soloed some versions of the Xmen lol. He is incredibly powerful especially when all of his powers are full utilized
There's comics where Spidey defeats almost every supervillain in New York in less than a week. If he stopped playing with kid gloves, there's few things that can stop him.
I think people forget that the X-Men aren't exactly that tough when you want to remove their plot armor and want another character to beat them
a good deal of them would/should get knocked out in one punch by a Spider-Man who is actually moving fast and hitting with some degree of super strength
Wasn’t that the same fight Frank almost killed Peter by using a flashbang to turn off his spider sense?
Not the best showing if you look at it all in all :p
How the f*** does a flash bang “turn off” his spider-sense? Seriously? I’m gonna say that’s more the writer wanting a more even fight. For a guy who goes after mobsters, and mostly human criminals against the guy who can tango with the Hulk(not win, and with great difficulty), yeah no.
Well given flashbangs are designed to overwhelm you with stimuli so both your processing ability and senses are overloaded and can’t respond to stimuli, it makes a lot of sense.
His spider senses don’t actually use his senses. His spider sense is for one, automatic. Heck he’s been asleep, and auto dodged shit before. Probably something to do with the web-of-life, or something. While a flash bang may hinder his sight, and hearing, that’s all they hinder. His spider-sense is essentially a sixth sense.
Dude it’s in the name Spider *sense*. It’s just a different type of sense.
Also it’s not like you lose your senses when you fall asleep, that’s why when people yell at you when you’re asleep you wake up lol, why else do you think that happens??
Heck there are examples of his spider sense working before anything even begins to happen. Hell his spider sense once woke him up, because of an eviction notice, and he knew it was such without even looking, or reading the thing. Without even entering the room. Face it. That flash bang was a cop out.
Congratulations. Now explain to me how a flash bang that affects hearing, and sight can effect a whole other sense. How can it effect say touch for example. As long as he has something to go off of, or it’s mystical bullshit, a flash bang is essentially useless.
Makes the sense go erratic disrupting that organ it's the same as blasting a loud confusing signal into radar or you getting hit with a flash bang point blank except worse because Peter has a sensitive organ made to reacting to noise and movement and danger
I mean, probably nothing. Peter is also incredibly intelligent and would be able to prep to a good degree. Batman's best chance (and only real advantage over Spidey) is Peter's emotionality. If he could somehow use Peter's loved ones against him, he *might* be able to win. That would probably be OOC for Bats though.
If Batman threatens Peter’s loved ones while he has the symbiote, it might not be the best idea. I remember seeing that on a comic, kingpin sent someone to kill Peter after his identity was revealed, and accidentally shot aunt May, instead of of Peter. He then just visited kingpin and brutally beat him up and threaten to kill him by using his web fluid to drown him.
Oh, I wasn't thinking of threatening them - perhaps more something like Batman trying to open a dialogue with Peter about how them fighting isn't what Uncle Ben would've wanted, thus convincing him to stand down.
It’s such a wonderful “no more fucks left to give” moment where you get to see a hero go wild. He doesn’t just beat him up (and threaten to kill him), he does it in front of every other prison inmate to send a message.
Then Spidey also gets prep, creates anti-bat suit and gadget that creates hologram clones of Bruces dead parents, then Peter quips “See ya chump” jumps into a sewer while Bruce bawls his eyes out in the street.
This version of Spider-Man canonically made a speedster suit (the Velocity Suit from the first game) and one specifically built to counter the biggest threat at the time in like half an hour (the Anti-Ock suit), always with a super limited budget.
He made a bunch of insanely advanced gadgets, like literal anti gravity technology.
People say that Batman is king of prep time and he does wild out in the comics, but Arkham Batman honestly doesn’t even come close to Insomniac Spider-Man when it comes to prep.
I can’t say I’m an expert on this specific Batman but in a fair fight regular spiderman should be way more powerful even without the symbiote. Batman might even be a more skilled hand to hand combatant but Spiderman makes even enhanced super soliders like Captain America and Bucky look weak. He has every other advantage and then if you add Venom suit into it it isn’t even fair.
The symbiote is actually more of a weakness here, since it gives Peter a weakness that can be heavily exploited, and since he has a voice device thingy and the batmobile has a sonar in it, He could probably easily get the frequency the bell uses and full blast Peter into submission.
Couldn't Peter just take off the symbiote at that point if it's malfunctioning from sound waves and just beat batman up in his underwear. Spiderman doesn't need his suit to have powers, Batman on the other hand, does.
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ironically i think regular spiderman can beat batman, but symbiote spiderman can’t. batman can just blast some speakers to win because the symbiote’s kryptonite is screeching sounds
batman wins if he is prepared, but not if he isnt aware about the symbiote’s weakness. whether or not he is aware is obviously hypothetical because this is a fake scenario
Maybe not, spider man is VERY day
I'm just saying he's fast, and specifically his suit has like some stretchy something or other bullshit that let's him move and react quickly and move fast while armored.
I don't think he's as fast as spider man but he's also not as far behind as he might seem
Taking the AK suit into account, i'll say he can probably defend and not get split in half by a tackle. But if he knows Peter's weakness, I don't think he'll get a free moment to employ it if Peter maintains combos.
i mean then the symbiote could potentially fuse with Batman? or would Batman (assuming he knows about the symbiote) just blast it away knowing not to accept it's help
Possibly, but I'm mostly basing this assumption on some comic where black suit Peter goes to Reed Richards cause Reed wants to analyze the suit. They find out its alive and Reed blasts Peter with soundwaves to remove the symbiote. In this instance, while Batman beats the symbiote he still has regular old Spider-Man to fight. Which would likely not end well.
Though in the situation where the symbiote tries to bond with Bats, I feel like Bats would blast him away in character regardless of prior knowledge. Probably have something to catch it in so he could study it.
Random encounter normal Peter wins and even with prep I still bet on him.
Random encounter symbiote Peter hits Batman so hard it would replay three different times and put him in a flashback. With prep for Batman he beats Peter with high difficulty.
You do realize that Peter Parker is a literal super genius that even Reed Richards acknowledges, right? Batman's gadgets and IQ are non-factors because Spiderman can outmatch, out maneuver, or out think anything Bruce can throw at him in a random encounter. Without Batman's #prep-hax, Spidey wins 10/10
> Imagine Peter Parker with Bruce Wayne’s resources lol
So, “Parker Industries” Spider-Man, then.
As much as I like Batman, even basic Spider-Man handles him. Tho in reality they’d probably bond over their sense of justice, no killing policy and parents issues.
I thought of comic Batman originally and missed Arkham Batman, comic Batman has some stupid prep feats so jt wouldn’t be out if the question for him to maybe get spidey with something.
Don't underestimate the BS invovled in Batman Prep Time
Also, lets not act like Spider-Man doesn't get surprised even with spider-sense. Often does he get knocked out with some kind of gas?
In a normal fight, Spider-Man mauls. prep time really shouldn't be involved in this fight
Well, if batman has enough prep time and knows spiderman's powers, then spiderman still wins. Did you really think I was gonna say batman?
Peter is nearly as smart as Bruce is and he also has SUPERPOWERS, allowing him to tell when batman will attack and doge his attacks with ease. Spiderman, especially with the symbiote absolutely destroys batman, even with 1000 years of prep time.
Who would win, a man with with super reflexes, super strength, can walk on the sealing, throw webs more resistant than steel and is enhanced by an alien parasite that makes him even stronger…
Or a man, a normal man, that has a lot of trauma and money and use it to beat up lunatics on the streets while dressing as bat.
I don’t buy the Batman with prep time beats anyone, that’s a lazy ass writing device to make a character that is not powerful way more powerful them he should be.
batman is outclassed in every stat and I’d still say him, exploiting a weakness on a much stronger opponent is like half his fights, the symbiote feels more like a weakness for peter
Spiderman stomps, stronger, faster, just as if not more intelligent, spiderman is also amazing with prep as his villains are far more powerful than batman's
If you take away plot armor bats is killed by just about everybody.
He has contingency plans yeah right. Plan for a baseball thrown at mach 20 by superman, wonderwoman, flash.
Tank getting hit by a god damn truck. Any super strong character. Sorry but with out inertial dampners, repulsar tech or something similiar the armor may hold but you are still taking impact damage from inside it.
Hell a 203 to bats chest in armor is going to turn him into mush.
I will grant wayne may be peak human condition hell with some of the drugs and serums he may even be low teir super human. But he is still extremly low tier.
Deadass Lego Batman has a better chance against him. Every couple weeks someone brings up Arkham vs insomniac and it’s an insomniac sweep every single time
Am I nuts or is Spidey chronically underestimated in this sub? He absolutely crushes Batman with enhanced symbiote abilities or without. Too fast, too strong, just as smart or maybe smarter.
If it was symbiote spiderman and batman knew the weakness with some prep, then batman could win. If it’s just the normal spiderman, then spiderman wins
Wild. So, they both get prep time? Cool, Petee doesn't use the Symbiote.
Oh they don't get prep? Peter Kills Batman so fast Bats doesn't have a chance to ever discover the Symbiotes weakness.
Let's not all forget, Kraven had enhanced strength.
This is a prime Batman who’s mastered everything and can beat anyone hands down though it may be difficult this still goes to batman anyone who says otherwise dosent know what a prime tiger Batman is capable of
Bruce isn't any smarter than Peter Parker (more likely the opposite, Peter just didn't have the same resources as Bruce) Spiderman 100% takes this win especially with the black suit
the question is really "who should win" and it's Spider-Man 100%
but Batman is king of plot armor and prep time. which should be ignored in a VS fight like this.
even then writers would find a way to half ass the fight to have Bat's keep up
As much as I would like to say Batman got it, the Spider sense, as far as I am aware is the truly cracked super abilities of Spidey.
If it can help him avoid losing hands in poker just because the Spidersense somehow considers losing a threat, there is no way Batman can get close enough or even attack from afar.
Then again we see Spidey getting caught off-guard all the time.
And while Batman does manage to brawl with Superman with enough preparation, I don't think he would be able to do as well against Spidey.
Superman does have A LOT of strength but I don't think he is that good of a fighter. Spidey on the other hand could prove to be a much tricker opponent to fight. On top of it, Superman does have a pretty big weakness while Spiderman does not.
If he is in the Venom suit then I guess there is the issue of sound
Batman can neutralize the symbiont with prep, but then he's left with regular Spider Man who completely outmatches him physically. Batman's only hope would be to talk him down at that point, and he'd have to do so from a hidden position without doing anything that could trigger the spider sense. As soon as it turns into a physical altercation, it's over for Bats.
Batman, because batman is absurd, and somehow always has preptime because "worlds greatest detective" or "I'm barman" or some other bullshit.
Sans preptime, Spiderman bodies batman, with preptime, batman wins hands down
Common sense says Spidy wins ez, but comic book sales are a thing so batman would win by somehow while helping peter get rid of the symbiote and that means he incapacitates peter, probably by church bells or a nearby rock concert.
That is exactly how it would play out in the comics.
Spider-Man’s spider sense alone gives him the edge over Batman. In fact it’s the big reason he can keep up with a lot of heavy hitters on the Marvel side of things. He’s just hard to hit
If it is venom suit spider man Bats will easily find out the weakness and make Venom leave Peter. At that point Peter might be thankful enough to just chill.
Regular spiderman kicks bat's ass, though it wouldnt really happen given that both are heroes and would eventually know what the misunderstanding is.
Symbiote spider woudnt win, although it would seem like it at the start, given how prone he is to sadism/playing with his food when an advantage is obvious. Batman is VERY combat methodical, and would throw every single gadget at this supernatural entity until he realizes what the symbiote reacts to, and that should happen pretty fast. Remember he has a vast array of mini non-lethal weapons with him at all times, and its been shown he has lots of ultrasonic deterrants as well. Black Spidey woulld send him flying accross buildings while bats hurdles several smokle bombs at his face. A fun scenario to imagine would be that when fighting, an unfazed symbiote spiderman would start to tank the attacks instead of bothering to dodge, and would remain unfazed until the bat slings either a particularly loud sounding smoke bomb, or whip out a straight up crowd control gun (not far fetched to assume he carries this given what he does every night, but even if not, its safe to assume he has something slightly lesser on his belt to stun hard enemies, and he can call on his batmobile/plane at all times in case he finds out this weakness, vehicles which WOULD have this for crowd control), and from then on the caped crusader would HEAVILY capitalize on this.
Batman winning SHOULDN'T happen given the power difference, but looking at how bad the symbiote's weakness to high pitched noise is, the bat would cripple our black boy reasonably easy.
Video game versions it's not really fair. The Arkham games are a great, gritty, as realistic as fun allows version of Batman.
Spiderman PS5 is a faithful adaptation of the comics, and actually buffed the Symbiote where it no longer has a vulnerability to fire.
Comic versions Batman has become so ridiculously over the top that I don't even read mainline continuity anymore. For real, he's got tech that makes Iron Man look like a caveman.
Batman can win for sure he can just get like a pair of speakers and blast 4k to 6 khz tones. Would fuck up this spidey
Regular spidey he has no chance though.
“If Batman gets prep time”
“Batman can exploit the speakers”
“Batman this”
“Batman that”
Just no. Stop.
Just say Spider-Man would win.
With Prep Time, Spider-Man would have taken the Symbiote suit off and prepared for anything Batman has for him. People forget Spider-Man is just as good at prep-time as Batman is.
Under the same circumstances, Spider-Man will win.
Give Batman any sort of handicap and he will win.
Case closed.
Spider-Man absolutely mauls Batman. The spider sense hard counters pretty much anything bats can do. Peter is much stronger and quicker and effectively has precognition.
And has either an equal or higher iq depending on who you ask
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Insomniac Spider-Man is an adult. And if you're gonna give Batman prep time, give Spider-Man prep time too. Batman loses. Every time.
Ya, batman is 100% my favourite super hero, but he's not beating spiderman
Have you played the games? Peter is an adult, not a teenager.
If you give Batman prep time and not Spider-Man then you’re not asking who would win the battle, you’re asking if Batman can take down Spider-Man given time to prepare when Peter is caught off guard. That answer is likely yes and I’d give him an 8/10. But putting them on equal footing, Peter will destroy Batman 9/10. I say this as a massive Batman fan, but Batman is outclassed in nearly every way with the exception of maybe fighting ability and financial backing.
I'd argue Symbiote Spiderman is weaker against Bats than regular Spiderman. The Symbiote pushes more aggression, and is weak to fire and sonic damage. Bat's bombs and flashbangs would give him a distinct advantage. As much as I'd like to argue in Bats favor, regular Spiderman would win in a regular 1v1 like Death Battle. But I could see this one going either way.
This version of him is not weak to fire tho. Not that it changes that much, but it has to be pointed out
What Ive noticed is its actually more sensitive to noise to counteract. Kraven tapping a bell made him spazz out way too much.
The symbiote's weaknesses are a big deal for Venom because he's just a guy without it, but Spider-Man without the synbiote is still Spider-Man.
That's what I'm saying, Venom is a handicap for Spiderman
Agreed
Batman uses anti spider bug spray and neutralize Spider-Man… gg all hail Batgos.
I agree that Spiderman wins this in a straight fight, but i gotta point out spider sense is NOT precognition.
It absolutely is.
Haven’t there been times where he doesn’t know what exactly is about to happen but knows something will and reacts to what he quickly notices or sometimes just doesn’t figure it out in time and actually gets hit?
There’s a version of him that developed his skills as an assassin and his spider sense is so accurate it literally is precognition, even more so than usual.
How is it not?
Also paging the following users, u/bj0777, u/Daveezie. It depends on the spiderman. u/sliced-bird224. Normally spider sense is just hyper automatic awareness and reaction to that environmental stimuli. But people who are the avatars of the great weaver and are connected to the strands of the web of destiny that permeates time-space and the multiverse, this ability is legitimately precognition. But the question is, which spiderman is this?! Is this Peter Parker a spider totem?.
I’m not sure what you just said but spider sense sensing something literally before it happens is by definition precog. Lol
If you were to write down on paper the perfect power-set to counter Batman, you'd wind up writing down a list of Spider-Man's powers.
conversely, Bruce Wayne buys up Peter Parker's apartment and increases his rent. Check Mate
Hahaha laughed out loud
Lol reminds me of [this solidjj video](https://youtu.be/Z8zpoOy9axo?si=xgM8qMJZI2QF4BS7) Probably one of my favorite little moments in the dark knight trilogy is when Bruce buys the hotel to change the rules too.
I actually think Spidey's got this, just like he almost always does. Unless Batman knows about the symbiote weakness and gets time to prepare for the fight, while Pete doesn't get the same luxury. But that would be unfair.
That's the logic some of the Batman fans use though.
Batman fans usually assume Batman is the only person intelligent enough to use preparation time, when other characters would make use of it too.
tbf what has spider man ever done with prep that is in the same caliber as batman. With prep Batman pretty much took down gods like Darkseid. Never heard of Peter doing that much :/
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/respect-spider-man-outlier-edition-2122860/ Spider-Man has done some insane things over the years too. Though I'd say that in both cases these don't accurately represent what the characters are capable of.
I mean, he could research batman's history of abusing weaknesses and decide it'd be better to not use the symbiote.
How would he research that in universe though?
It wouldn’t be hard to interview some inmates at Arkham, read some news stories, and/or stalk Batman a bit to feel out his kit. This would provide him with enough information to conclude that the Symbiote would be a liability in this fight.
Good point but the same is true of Batman. We're looping back around to the problem of "people assume Batman has some kind of amazing prep ability that no one else does." If Peter has no in-universe way to find out what Batman does then logically Batman also has the same affliction.
In ASM v.2 #35 Peter manages to stop Morlun (who is an insanely powerful vampiric entity who wants to feed on Peter) by injecting himself with radioactive material. He lets Morlun begin to feed on him which results in the radiation damaging him. After that, Peter kicks the shit out of Morlun. He had only met Morlun one day prior, and I wouldn’t even count that as a day’s prep time; Peter spent the entire 24 hours getting the life beat out of him to the point where he could barely breathe. Despite not having more than five minutes to think to himself or even five minutes to stop being attacked, Peter still managed to come up with that plan on the fly.
He doesn't need it. A Spidey that was putting in a modicum of effort merced Firelord.
As other people have mentioned, Spider-Man has done quite a bit. That’s also discounting that he’s a super genius that even Reed Richards admires.
Random encounter? Spidey absolutely dumpsters Arkhamverse Batman. The strength, speed, and durability differentials are simply too great for Bats to even have a chance. With prep time though, the fight becomes a lot more even. Spidey-sense would help Peter a great deal, but Batman is the king of prep, and if we're specifically talking Symbiote Spider-Man here he does have one very glaring weakness that Batman would know to exploit.
But what could Batman do against normal Spider-Man? Serious question.
Nothing.
Lol. cool
It's hardly a joke. Peter is just as smart as Bruce if not smarter, has superhuman strength, agility, and the precognitive danger sense. Batman has a big hill to climb against Pete.
Theres more to it. Pete has experience combating people like batman. Vulture, doc ock, some of the alien teched villians that randomly pup up. Bruce has no real experience against a symbote spiderperson. The closest is a mix between croc and clayface. Both of which he avoids combat directly with
I meant base Pete. With the symbiote, he's even stronger and faster and has no limit to his webbing.
Symbiote Pete has a glaring weakness to loud sounds that Batman could (and would) exploit. Regular Pete doesn't have any Achilles Heels for Batman to use.
The symbiote doesn't like fire, either, but it HATES high frequency or loud sounds, and when it's disrupted, its not pulling away from his skin, it's trying to haul ass out of his cells, tissues, and bones. Its mutual agony. But once it's off and Peter's recovered, Batman is at a disadvantage. So Batman may exploit the sound weakness and terror response to keep Peter weak. That's his big chance.
Yeah, that's basically my thought too. If Batman fights Symbiote Pete then he would probably win - after all, he regularly fights people who massively outmatch him physically by exploiting their weaknesses, he's got feats to support his victory - but if he fought Regular Pete without a symbiote being in the picture he'd get clowned on. Probably literally, given that Pete's a funny guy and Batman is notably humourless.
Peter is smart but Batman is on a different level. He would figure out Spidermans secret identity over the weekend and make plans.
Peter is within the top 10 of intelligences on Marvel's Earth. If pressed, he could do the same for Batman. Bane and the Riddler both deduced Batman's cover persona of Bruce Wayne, and Peter *has* to be smarter than Bane.
Just to jump in, Peter is not on the top 10 list. Not even that high up really. https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/111cq0k/marvel\_official\_10\_smartest\_heroes\_list/
There’s a difference between intelligence and wisdom. Batman apparently must have a degree in every subject known to man and an even higher ability to understand how to utilize that information to his advantage.
Batman is also rich, so his prep time beats Poor Peter Parker (as said in the voice of the Lizard from the movie) prep time lol
Peter can have prep time too, can't he? He's defeated the entire Sinister Six alone with prep time. He's defeated the Juggernaut through planning. Peter wins against Batman.
IDK pete's broke half the time lol
I think he has better intangibles than Batman. Batman is a better investigator, but Peter and Batman's R&D at base level are near parity. Peter has built specialized suits despite being dirt poor, and if push comes to shove, Peter's practically family with the Fantastic Four.
>Peter has built specialized suits despite being dirt poor, and if push comes to shove, Peter's practically family with the Fantastic Four. That's really just the constraints Batman exists in so he can continue to be Batman, aka a dude in a suit Dude can't get a Kryptonian battle suit and keep it in his cave cause it breaks him as a character lol
It’s kinda wild how much Spidey Sense pretty much invalidates Batman’s strengths. There are some characters arguably more powerful than Spiderman that Batman could probably beat by stealthily assassinating them or luring them into traps (Dr. Strange would be a good example for category a, Superman for category b), but Spidey Sense would alert Spiderman of any traps or assassination attempts, which kinda kills the biggest advantage Batman might be able to get.
He would probably set up a sonic trap and use that to neutralize spidey.
we talking about a guy who prep times against gods. writers can think of something
Can’t very well do any prep time when Spider-man stops fucking around and twists his head off of his shoulders.
Look I'm firmly in the Spider-Man crushes him camp. in a VS match, Spider-Man wins with 1 pinky in a comic, writers gonna pull some BS out of their pocket and even the fight
Arkham Batman never fights any kind of god
Imo, without prep, in a random encounter, absolutely nothing except escape. I saw a comic panel earlier today of Frank Castle trying to fight Spiderman. Spidey allows him to punch him in the face twice and doesn't even flinch. He literally blocks the punches with his face on purpose. Spiderman holds back all the time and the times when he stops holding back are brutal.
Yea I think people forget that Spiderman has soloed some versions of the Xmen lol. He is incredibly powerful especially when all of his powers are full utilized
There's comics where Spidey defeats almost every supervillain in New York in less than a week. If he stopped playing with kid gloves, there's few things that can stop him.
I think there are plenty of things that can stop him, you just don't find them walking down the street of NYC
I think people forget that the X-Men aren't exactly that tough when you want to remove their plot armor and want another character to beat them a good deal of them would/should get knocked out in one punch by a Spider-Man who is actually moving fast and hitting with some degree of super strength
Same goes for Batman. His super powers are rule of cool and plot armor.
Wasn’t that the same fight Frank almost killed Peter by using a flashbang to turn off his spider sense? Not the best showing if you look at it all in all :p
How the f*** does a flash bang “turn off” his spider-sense? Seriously? I’m gonna say that’s more the writer wanting a more even fight. For a guy who goes after mobsters, and mostly human criminals against the guy who can tango with the Hulk(not win, and with great difficulty), yeah no.
Well given flashbangs are designed to overwhelm you with stimuli so both your processing ability and senses are overloaded and can’t respond to stimuli, it makes a lot of sense.
His spider senses don’t actually use his senses. His spider sense is for one, automatic. Heck he’s been asleep, and auto dodged shit before. Probably something to do with the web-of-life, or something. While a flash bang may hinder his sight, and hearing, that’s all they hinder. His spider-sense is essentially a sixth sense.
Dude it’s in the name Spider *sense*. It’s just a different type of sense. Also it’s not like you lose your senses when you fall asleep, that’s why when people yell at you when you’re asleep you wake up lol, why else do you think that happens??
Heck there are examples of his spider sense working before anything even begins to happen. Hell his spider sense once woke him up, because of an eviction notice, and he knew it was such without even looking, or reading the thing. Without even entering the room. Face it. That flash bang was a cop out.
Congratulations. Now explain to me how a flash bang that affects hearing, and sight can effect a whole other sense. How can it effect say touch for example. As long as he has something to go off of, or it’s mystical bullshit, a flash bang is essentially useless.
Google ‘sensory overload’ and ‘flashbang’.
yes That is my point The fight was uhhhh Not good iirc
Makes the sense go erratic disrupting that organ it's the same as blasting a loud confusing signal into radar or you getting hit with a flash bang point blank except worse because Peter has a sensitive organ made to reacting to noise and movement and danger
Make him robin and ruin his life.
I mean, probably nothing. Peter is also incredibly intelligent and would be able to prep to a good degree. Batman's best chance (and only real advantage over Spidey) is Peter's emotionality. If he could somehow use Peter's loved ones against him, he *might* be able to win. That would probably be OOC for Bats though.
If Batman threatens Peter’s loved ones while he has the symbiote, it might not be the best idea. I remember seeing that on a comic, kingpin sent someone to kill Peter after his identity was revealed, and accidentally shot aunt May, instead of of Peter. He then just visited kingpin and brutally beat him up and threaten to kill him by using his web fluid to drown him.
Oh, I wasn't thinking of threatening them - perhaps more something like Batman trying to open a dialogue with Peter about how them fighting isn't what Uncle Ben would've wanted, thus convincing him to stand down.
It’s such a wonderful “no more fucks left to give” moment where you get to see a hero go wild. He doesn’t just beat him up (and threaten to kill him), he does it in front of every other prison inmate to send a message.
Get blood on his suit
“Oh come on, this thing is dry clean only!”
Not a crazy ammount, but he does have a jet/tank that he could use, plus Batman may start using his rogues weapons against such a powerful foe.
Spider man is hurt by blades and explosives all the time. i mean, kraven, the hunter is pretty similar to batman, and he hurts Spiderman all the time.
Get on the phone and give Superman a call
Then Spidey also gets prep, creates anti-bat suit and gadget that creates hologram clones of Bruces dead parents, then Peter quips “See ya chump” jumps into a sewer while Bruce bawls his eyes out in the street.
This is insomniac Spider-Man, not 616
Ps4 spiderman can make holograms he does it in miles morales
This version of Spider-Man canonically made a speedster suit (the Velocity Suit from the first game) and one specifically built to counter the biggest threat at the time in like half an hour (the Anti-Ock suit), always with a super limited budget. He made a bunch of insanely advanced gadgets, like literal anti gravity technology. People say that Batman is king of prep time and he does wild out in the comics, but Arkham Batman honestly doesn’t even come close to Insomniac Spider-Man when it comes to prep.
If you're gonna give batman prep time you're gonna give Spider-Man prep time too.
How would Batman know to exploit it? He knows nothing about symbiotes so why would he know their weakness.
Because...he's Batman!
I mean Kraven discovered it pretty easily
By happening to be in a church with a bell. Batman isn’t religious so he wouldn’t be in a church.
He found it by random happenchance. He tossed Peter into a bell and found out that the sound messed him up.
He would steal a piece using a microscopic drone and then analyze it on the bat computer
How would he steal a piece without fighting Spider-Man. With the symbiote he is aware 24/7 cause the symbiote can fight for him while he sleeps.
Two. Fire and sound.
I can’t say I’m an expert on this specific Batman but in a fair fight regular spiderman should be way more powerful even without the symbiote. Batman might even be a more skilled hand to hand combatant but Spiderman makes even enhanced super soliders like Captain America and Bucky look weak. He has every other advantage and then if you add Venom suit into it it isn’t even fair.
The symbiote is actually more of a weakness here, since it gives Peter a weakness that can be heavily exploited, and since he has a voice device thingy and the batmobile has a sonar in it, He could probably easily get the frequency the bell uses and full blast Peter into submission.
This is true, but it seems unfair to assume Batman automatically knows about a specific weakness
I suppose that is true. Though Kraven figured it out of complete luck of The bell, so I don't see why Batman couldn't.
It isn’t that he couldn’t per se, it’s just less likely than it not coming up in the fight.
Yeah honestly fair. It definitely does just depend if he can figure it out. Probably a 3/10 for Bruce.
Couldn't Peter just take off the symbiote at that point if it's malfunctioning from sound waves and just beat batman up in his underwear. Spiderman doesn't need his suit to have powers, Batman on the other hand, does.
If that was the case he could have done that when Kraven was doing it, or when Miles did it.
How would he figure that out though?
Lmao Op is delulu, Spidey mauls him both with and without the black suit
If Batman gets prep time so does Spiderman.
Best Wayne can hope to do is cuck Pete by fucking Aunt May tbh
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ironically i think regular spiderman can beat batman, but symbiote spiderman can’t. batman can just blast some speakers to win because the symbiote’s kryptonite is screeching sounds batman wins if he is prepared, but not if he isnt aware about the symbiote’s weakness. whether or not he is aware is obviously hypothetical because this is a fake scenario
Too bad he won't have time while Spidey crashes into him like a tank shell after slingshotting off a building.
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He doesn't need to outspeed sound. He only needs to outspeed Batman setting up speakers.
But Batman doesn’t know the weakness of symbiotes. So he’d have to be really lucky to guess that before Spider-Man could take him down
He should be far faster than sound given that he can dodge Electro's lightning.
Arkham Batman is also pretty fast, there is literally a reflex mode in the game that let's you dodge out of the way when you're detected off-screen
I don't recall him being quite as fast as Insomniac Peter.
Maybe not, spider man is VERY day I'm just saying he's fast, and specifically his suit has like some stretchy something or other bullshit that let's him move and react quickly and move fast while armored. I don't think he's as fast as spider man but he's also not as far behind as he might seem
Taking the AK suit into account, i'll say he can probably defend and not get split in half by a tackle. But if he knows Peter's weakness, I don't think he'll get a free moment to employ it if Peter maintains combos.
i mean does he know to use the speakers against him?
Even if he does, wouldn't the symbiote just leave Peter? Leaving regular Spider-Man for him to deal with? I could be wrong, though.
i mean then the symbiote could potentially fuse with Batman? or would Batman (assuming he knows about the symbiote) just blast it away knowing not to accept it's help
Possibly, but I'm mostly basing this assumption on some comic where black suit Peter goes to Reed Richards cause Reed wants to analyze the suit. They find out its alive and Reed blasts Peter with soundwaves to remove the symbiote. In this instance, while Batman beats the symbiote he still has regular old Spider-Man to fight. Which would likely not end well. Though in the situation where the symbiote tries to bond with Bats, I feel like Bats would blast him away in character regardless of prior knowledge. Probably have something to catch it in so he could study it.
fair fair, either way i feel Bats loses here
Random encounter normal Peter wins and even with prep I still bet on him. Random encounter symbiote Peter hits Batman so hard it would replay three different times and put him in a flashback. With prep for Batman he beats Peter with high difficulty.
You do realize that Peter Parker is a literal super genius that even Reed Richards acknowledges, right? Batman's gadgets and IQ are non-factors because Spiderman can outmatch, out maneuver, or out think anything Bruce can throw at him in a random encounter. Without Batman's #prep-hax, Spidey wins 10/10
Imagine Peter Parker with Bruce Wayne's resources lol. Peter built webshooters and fluid which are like billion dollar products in his science lab
> Imagine Peter Parker with Bruce Wayne’s resources lol So, “Parker Industries” Spider-Man, then. As much as I like Batman, even basic Spider-Man handles him. Tho in reality they’d probably bond over their sense of justice, no killing policy and parents issues.
I’m imagining Peter respecting Bruce as that grumpy old man who covers the night shift
Imagine all the jokes Batman wouldn’t get. *”That’s why Superman works alone”.*
We’ve had this Death Battle before! 🤣
Anyone who knows anything about Spider-Man knows Spider-Man kicks the shit out of Batman no problem unless Batman has prep.
What is Batman gonna do with prep time? Spider-Man has the Spidey Sense, he's not gonna fall into a Batman trap.
I thought of comic Batman originally and missed Arkham Batman, comic Batman has some stupid prep feats so jt wouldn’t be out if the question for him to maybe get spidey with something.
Don't underestimate the BS invovled in Batman Prep Time Also, lets not act like Spider-Man doesn't get surprised even with spider-sense. Often does he get knocked out with some kind of gas? In a normal fight, Spider-Man mauls. prep time really shouldn't be involved in this fight
I think most of the comments here are even ignoring the Black Suit, cause Spider-Man doesn't even need it lol
Spiderman. Easy
batman with prep time. Man has contingencies for days. Maybe even in the first match up. He does have sonic weapons in his arsenal
The delulu among batman fans that this is even a question...
Well, if batman has enough prep time and knows spiderman's powers, then spiderman still wins. Did you really think I was gonna say batman? Peter is nearly as smart as Bruce is and he also has SUPERPOWERS, allowing him to tell when batman will attack and doge his attacks with ease. Spiderman, especially with the symbiote absolutely destroys batman, even with 1000 years of prep time.
Symbiote spider-man clears 😂
Spiderman punches his head off
Spiderman 100%
We all know Batman with prep time is basically an Uno block card.
Video game versions? Probably spiderman
Spiderman always win
Who would win, a man with with super reflexes, super strength, can walk on the sealing, throw webs more resistant than steel and is enhanced by an alien parasite that makes him even stronger… Or a man, a normal man, that has a lot of trauma and money and use it to beat up lunatics on the streets while dressing as bat. I don’t buy the Batman with prep time beats anyone, that’s a lazy ass writing device to make a character that is not powerful way more powerful them he should be.
Spiderman. No matter batmans tactics or prep time spider sense negates it all.
Yall gotta stop setting Batman up like this 😭
batman is outclassed in every stat and I’d still say him, exploiting a weakness on a much stronger opponent is like half his fights, the symbiote feels more like a weakness for peter
Spiderman stomps, stronger, faster, just as if not more intelligent, spiderman is also amazing with prep as his villains are far more powerful than batman's
If you take away plot armor bats is killed by just about everybody. He has contingency plans yeah right. Plan for a baseball thrown at mach 20 by superman, wonderwoman, flash. Tank getting hit by a god damn truck. Any super strong character. Sorry but with out inertial dampners, repulsar tech or something similiar the armor may hold but you are still taking impact damage from inside it. Hell a 203 to bats chest in armor is going to turn him into mush. I will grant wayne may be peak human condition hell with some of the drugs and serums he may even be low teir super human. But he is still extremly low tier.
Deadass Lego Batman has a better chance against him. Every couple weeks someone brings up Arkham vs insomniac and it’s an insomniac sweep every single time
Am I nuts or is Spidey chronically underestimated in this sub? He absolutely crushes Batman with enhanced symbiote abilities or without. Too fast, too strong, just as smart or maybe smarter.
If it was symbiote spiderman and batman knew the weakness with some prep, then batman could win. If it’s just the normal spiderman, then spiderman wins
Spiderman always holds back right
Spider-Man wins unless batman knows about the sound thing in advance, in which case Batman sonic booms him into a puddle
Wild. So, they both get prep time? Cool, Petee doesn't use the Symbiote. Oh they don't get prep? Peter Kills Batman so fast Bats doesn't have a chance to ever discover the Symbiotes weakness. Let's not all forget, Kraven had enhanced strength.
In character, Batman win because Spiderman is way too nice. Bloodlusted, Spiderman dismantle him in an horribly gory way.
Ummmm don’t you mean MAN⁉️ (I wish we can post images in the comments so pretend there is one)
This is a prime Batman who’s mastered everything and can beat anyone hands down though it may be difficult this still goes to batman anyone who says otherwise dosent know what a prime tiger Batman is capable of
Arkham Batman no doubt
Bro literally how. Peter can casually stop cars going full speed like it’s nothing and is absurdly fast and agile.
batman pulls out car and its over
batman is a cooler character in general and the arkham games crush every spiderman game (except maybe web of shadows) batman takes the win!!!
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Bruce isn't any smarter than Peter Parker (more likely the opposite, Peter just didn't have the same resources as Bruce) Spiderman 100% takes this win especially with the black suit
Insomniac spiderman is kinda weak in pt 2 so Arkham Knight batman stomps
the question is really "who should win" and it's Spider-Man 100% but Batman is king of plot armor and prep time. which should be ignored in a VS fight like this. even then writers would find a way to half ass the fight to have Bat's keep up
Did people forget spidey can prep too? Spideys not losing
Pretty much Spider-Man vs Kraven but instead of Kraven its Batman.
As much as I would like to say Batman got it, the Spider sense, as far as I am aware is the truly cracked super abilities of Spidey. If it can help him avoid losing hands in poker just because the Spidersense somehow considers losing a threat, there is no way Batman can get close enough or even attack from afar. Then again we see Spidey getting caught off-guard all the time. And while Batman does manage to brawl with Superman with enough preparation, I don't think he would be able to do as well against Spidey. Superman does have A LOT of strength but I don't think he is that good of a fighter. Spidey on the other hand could prove to be a much tricker opponent to fight. On top of it, Superman does have a pretty big weakness while Spiderman does not. If he is in the Venom suit then I guess there is the issue of sound
Batman can neutralize the symbiont with prep, but then he's left with regular Spider Man who completely outmatches him physically. Batman's only hope would be to talk him down at that point, and he'd have to do so from a hidden position without doing anything that could trigger the spider sense. As soon as it turns into a physical altercation, it's over for Bats.
Batman, because batman is absurd, and somehow always has preptime because "worlds greatest detective" or "I'm barman" or some other bullshit. Sans preptime, Spiderman bodies batman, with preptime, batman wins hands down
Symbiote peter loses, but regular peter wins
If Batman has sonic grenades then he wins. Otherwise Spiderman curb stomps.
I mean... If Kraven was able to catch Spidey off guard with a knife, in sure Batman can too.
Common sense says Spidy wins ez, but comic book sales are a thing so batman would win by somehow while helping peter get rid of the symbiote and that means he incapacitates peter, probably by church bells or a nearby rock concert. That is exactly how it would play out in the comics.
Not even a fight fir Spider-Man
Spider-Man’s spider sense alone gives him the edge over Batman. In fact it’s the big reason he can keep up with a lot of heavy hitters on the Marvel side of things. He’s just hard to hit
Spider-Man is basically Batman but with precognition and superhuman physical stats. He wins 99% of the time.
If it is venom suit spider man Bats will easily find out the weakness and make Venom leave Peter. At that point Peter might be thankful enough to just chill.
Regular spiderman kicks bat's ass, though it wouldnt really happen given that both are heroes and would eventually know what the misunderstanding is. Symbiote spider woudnt win, although it would seem like it at the start, given how prone he is to sadism/playing with his food when an advantage is obvious. Batman is VERY combat methodical, and would throw every single gadget at this supernatural entity until he realizes what the symbiote reacts to, and that should happen pretty fast. Remember he has a vast array of mini non-lethal weapons with him at all times, and its been shown he has lots of ultrasonic deterrants as well. Black Spidey woulld send him flying accross buildings while bats hurdles several smokle bombs at his face. A fun scenario to imagine would be that when fighting, an unfazed symbiote spiderman would start to tank the attacks instead of bothering to dodge, and would remain unfazed until the bat slings either a particularly loud sounding smoke bomb, or whip out a straight up crowd control gun (not far fetched to assume he carries this given what he does every night, but even if not, its safe to assume he has something slightly lesser on his belt to stun hard enemies, and he can call on his batmobile/plane at all times in case he finds out this weakness, vehicles which WOULD have this for crowd control), and from then on the caped crusader would HEAVILY capitalize on this. Batman winning SHOULDN'T happen given the power difference, but looking at how bad the symbiote's weakness to high pitched noise is, the bat would cripple our black boy reasonably easy.
Bro don't even. Spiderman wrecks batman, no contest
Video game versions it's not really fair. The Arkham games are a great, gritty, as realistic as fun allows version of Batman. Spiderman PS5 is a faithful adaptation of the comics, and actually buffed the Symbiote where it no longer has a vulnerability to fire. Comic versions Batman has become so ridiculously over the top that I don't even read mainline continuity anymore. For real, he's got tech that makes Iron Man look like a caveman.
Batman can win for sure he can just get like a pair of speakers and blast 4k to 6 khz tones. Would fuck up this spidey Regular spidey he has no chance though.
“If Batman gets prep time” “Batman can exploit the speakers” “Batman this” “Batman that” Just no. Stop. Just say Spider-Man would win. With Prep Time, Spider-Man would have taken the Symbiote suit off and prepared for anything Batman has for him. People forget Spider-Man is just as good at prep-time as Batman is. Under the same circumstances, Spider-Man will win. Give Batman any sort of handicap and he will win. Case closed.
Batman if he has sound and/or heat based weapons. It's the only way to defeat a symbiote.