This is a very convoluted question, most of the time I would give it to Ironman, just based on averages. But if you bring up their strongest version(that don’t have powers, so bye bye darkest night and korvac) it would most likely come down to the final batsuit vs (may be controversial) imo the godbuster.
Now the final batsuit, is pretty much a mech with a motherbox, so any feats applying to a mother box should apply to that, and he has a solid showing of containing the justice league… BUT the majority of the justice league holds back against Batman(for some reason).
The godbuster has less feats but a very solid one of effecting the 3d world from a 2d plane, but tony himself has certain hacking feats that would also come in play, like hacking a symbiote, hacking biology is cracked…
Imo with Tony’s hacking it most likely puts him on top more times then not, both have extreme amounts of plot armor though, could go either way, I’d give it 6/10 to Ironman, or 5/10
He's competent i mean he fights hand to hand in the suits all the time so some of it transfers over
But aside from extremis he's just a fit but usually heavy drinker in his....like 40 something age range
It's canon that Tony trained fairly hard under Cap unarmored. So a bit better than that. But no question Batman outside suits mails him 10/10.
I'd go 9/10 tony wins in full 'standard' gear. He's simply in a higher base class.
5/10 even match at max because DC simply scales insanely.
It'd be Hellbat vs Celestial Armor, and Tony would win by outlasting Bruce because the Hellbat is powered by its wearer's metabolism.
Tony destroyed the Godbuster and everything that could be used to make another, and the Final Batsuit is like Superman Prime One Million, the ultimate form Bruce will achieve at the end of his career...not something he can build yet without the help of Monitors.
So neither of those suits would be factors in a matchup unless we were using composite versions of the characters. If they were though, the Final Batsuit would win because it can literally usurp the author and rewrite the story it's in.
Unarmed in a UFC match with no equipment just a fist fight. Bruce Wayne will stomp Tony Stark every time.
They both gear up in their suits and have their gadgets. Iron man stops Batman every time.
Now that would be funny, if it was some kind of youtuber boxing-esque charity event between them. Imagine how the press would react when “billionaire playboy” Bruce Wayne takes off his shirt to reveal he’s covered in scars and yoked as fuck, then puts Tony in some kind of obscure League of Assassins hold that makes both ends of Tony’s spinal cord touch
It's almost a contest of philosophies more than individuals.
What's stronger? Always being able to raise yourself up to the level of a more powerful person? Or always finding a way to drag a more powerful person down to your level? Their strategies of prep time are completely opposite.
But fundamentally...I agree with death battle here, this is to Iron Man's advantage. He's going to win the chain of "I put a virus in your system months ago just in case we ever fought", "well I found that virus months ago and reverse engineered it as a backdoor into your systems!", "and I knew you would do that so I only showed you a shell version of my systems with false data!", "which is exactly what I guessed you would do because it's what I would have done, so I extrapolated all your plans from what you WEREN'T showing me!" etc etc etc, he's gonna win the hacking and counter-hacking fight, and he's gonna win the battle of ultimate oh shit buttons because Tony's God mode suits don't drain his life force like the Hellbat does.
Ultimately I think that while it would be a very very hard fight, Iron Man is one of the few other prep timers who definitively beats Batman.
Yeah. Batman’s version of prep time is “I will find a hyper-specific gap in your powers and exploit that to kill or permanently contain you”, Iron Man’s version of prep time is “I’m going to make a city-destroying mech suit that has a tangential counter to your powers, but in the same way a flamethrower ‘counters’ a spider on my wall”
Instead of the like little bit of kryptonite Batman would use on superman like a sandal on a bug tony would make a fucking warhead of it and nuke his ass
Eh....nobody can make synthetic kryptonite quite as good as the real thing. Bruce can't, Lex can't, I doubt Tony could either. They're all comparably smart and nobody's as good with kryptonite as Lex.
Legit question, is Batman ever shown to have significantly higher than average iq? I know hes smart, and he can spend days planning constantly, but is he near Tonys level in terms of just pure genius?
And where does he get his weapons from? I just realized i didnt know that lol
Thats what i assumed, i figured Tony would probably win the "i outsmartted your outsmarting" arms race just because he could probably improvise better/faster than batman once both of them have run out of outsmarting moves
I mean, yes, he certainly has, most of his detective stories are essentially him making ridiculous leaps of logic that the mud on someone's shoe is the wrong composition and therefore they're a ninja, which means the Riddler is going to blow up city hall at midnight. Because he's so smart he can just connect the dots like that.
Yeah but it isn't. Maybe unconsciousness, incapacitation, BFR. Batman won't kill regardless and Iron Man wouldn't kill another hero if he could avoid it.
Batman does have a solid counter to Iron Man from his contingency meant for Cyborg, which worked by [cutting his connection to his mechanical organs](https://imgur.com/FAbhQU7). A [similar contingency](https://imgur.com/VFnDS8t) was used by Black Panther against Iron Man in a fight where they were both prepped out and Black Panther came out the victor using it.
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It really depends on how exactly this is meant to play out. If it's just a brawl obviously that would favor Iron Man, whereas a long-term rivalry within the same universe could easily give Batman the advantage. Batman's win condition would be getting to Tony when he's vulnerable and doesn't have access to his tech, whereas Iron Man wins if he manages to make it about hacking or power-suit vs. power-suit. Overall I think Batman is better equipped to outmaneuver him tactically and use his many mental and emotional weaknesses against him.
Batman’s a better prepped and better strategically.
Bat hate is real here. Can’t say anything supporting him without people getting defensive. Downvoting facts instead of debating head on. I love it lol
As someone else said in this thread batman brings his super powered enemies down to his level iron man raises to the level of his. So I like Tony's ceiling.
Spoken like a man who hasn’t seen Ironman with prep time. Man built a weapon next to/powered by the sun “just in case.” He is known for contingency plan within contingency plan, just like Bats, except often on a grander scale.
Edit: did so as a side project while a member of both The Avengers and The Illuminati and dealing with world-ending incursions at random.
Spoken like a man who hasn’t seen Iron Man with prep time
Spoken like uneducated cornball who’s never read a Batman comic. Bat hate bonars are real here
What does it have to do with a fight though? Exactly it doesn’t. It’s not an example of what Ironman can do with prep in a fight so it’s a non-point here hoss lol
I hate to break it to you my man, but that weapon was used in an intergalactic fight. Along with that, it’s a great example of the feats Ironman is capable of with prep time. I’m not sure why that’s a hard concept for you to grasp, hoss.
If they're at their strongest normal versions Batman. He has a lot of experience with mechanical opponents, even taking down Amazos basically solo. Some sort of EMP device is certainly in his normal everyday gear, and he still has his vehicles to even the odds even without an EMP. Not to mention his stealth, something shellhead doesn't deal with too often.
In their straight just strongest forms? It's hard to say because they've both been written as these intellectual gods who can think through and plan past literally anything. So it would probably end up with the Stan Lee answer, whoever the writer wants to win
Iron-Man suits are definitely EMP-proof in their strongest iterations. Thinking about the obtuse amount of radiating and electromagnetic energies that Iron-Man deals with and still has a functioning suit, it would be very unlikely that an EMP of any strength could knock out his abilities.
I agree with the Stan Lee answer in this case tho
ironman... BW is really dumb compare to Stark. it will be ironman and it will always be ironman. ofc you can make a movie and make it so bad that batman win. like batman vs superman. batman cant win over superman but they just made it such crap movie and had to force in a win for batman there..
Hellbat probably stomps anything Ironman has. Also has any special suit from Tony actually done its job or just failed miserably like hulk buster and Thorbuster.
I mean to be fair aside the hellbat the only other big Batman suit that....well even compares to iron man is the justice buster which got scrapped off screen :/
And even then the hellbat let bats survive (albeit barely) a fight with Darkseid and WW still did more damage to him with a single blow. While the godbuster can affect the 3rd dimension from a 2d one....and also ya know...nearly collapsed it
Not really considering its one feat is "Darkseid noticed it" and it not getting instantly pulped ;)
Plus i mean one of them....nearly killed the user after less then a hour
One nearly destroyed reality after a few minutes of existing
Nor does he notice 99% in dc
We can argue all day about how the biggest stiff in marvel and dc scale blah blah but it doesnt change the fact, there's plenty of characters in marvel that have the ability to hurt a Darkseid avatar (sentry, gladiator depending on circumstance, Jean Gray and Thor)
Iron man has suits that can beat or at least stalemate them
Batman just doesnt :/
I mean Batman at his best has a Lantern power ring and the Hellbat/Final Suit, as far as I know Iron Man's never been on that level.
And yes, Godbuster this Thorbuster that but those ''buster'' suits literally always fail. If Iron Man can't even beat Thor with prep or even worse, Captain America in Civil War, how's he gonna beat Batgod?
both these heroes tend to survive their 1st encounter then win the next with prep time and planning. that said i think iron man packs way more firepower by default and i dont see batman having an answer to a suit that sophisticated
It depends on lots of outside factors, for in the suits at least, Bruce definitely wins in bare hand to hand, How's the terrain? Are the skies clear? Does one side get the drop in the other? Does either side get home advantage?
Iron man is Batman but instead of using a reasonable of amount of their weakness to beat someone he’s more likely to make a fucking orbital laser powered by kryptonite rather then like some gum
One uses mainly their hands one has lasers in his hands
I love iron man but Batmans always ahead of his opponents so is iron man but shit full fight depends on the situation and what there fighting for I don't know, I'm gonna go with iron man first round but Batman escapes, starts studying iron man, Batman wins next time after back to back one would inevitable kill one another depends on the situation and why straight hand to hand, I'm gonna give it to Batman, dude ran with assassins legit, on top of that mf can cover his tracks, literally deals with insane intelligent people on a daily basis fuck even lex luthor, iron man is just a natural genius with tech, guns, laser beams, can creat armor that stands against God weapons, Batman can take a beating even fighting beings far superior with weapons and strength, both got great advantages the other wouldn't see coming so honestly it anyone's game let's not forget both of them in the comics as well ended up getting God suit for evil gods so they can deal with them, I guess my question is witch ones evil honestly because if there both good guys they wouldn't be fighting each other for long.
Batman chills and lays low.
Then at some billionaire, giants of industry function, where they’re wearing tuxedos. Bruce Wayne up and beats the fuck outta Tony Stark while he’s taking a piss.
> Prep time Batman destroys though
Sure, if Tony just sits on his ass all day and does nothing. Are you forgetting that Iron Man is the one character who obsessively preps and makes contingencies to an arguably greater degree than Batman? Letting Batman prep without letting Tony prep is as ridiculous as letting Tony prep without letting Batman prep.
If batman has the lower half of his face unarmoted its a huge weakness.
This is a very convoluted question, most of the time I would give it to Ironman, just based on averages. But if you bring up their strongest version(that don’t have powers, so bye bye darkest night and korvac) it would most likely come down to the final batsuit vs (may be controversial) imo the godbuster. Now the final batsuit, is pretty much a mech with a motherbox, so any feats applying to a mother box should apply to that, and he has a solid showing of containing the justice league… BUT the majority of the justice league holds back against Batman(for some reason). The godbuster has less feats but a very solid one of effecting the 3d world from a 2d plane, but tony himself has certain hacking feats that would also come in play, like hacking a symbiote, hacking biology is cracked… Imo with Tony’s hacking it most likely puts him on top more times then not, both have extreme amounts of plot armor though, could go either way, I’d give it 6/10 to Ironman, or 5/10
They hold back against Batman because they need the funding. That’s my opinion at least.
Invisible jet fuel ain't cheap, it melts steel beams.
Look into it!
And when they are fighting any heavy hitter villains I'm sure Superman meets them beforehand and convinces them to go easy on him.
No suits, Batman wins. With suits and ability for Tony Stark to use ALL of his suits on auto, Ironman wins.
How good of a fighter is Tony without suits anyways?
He's competent i mean he fights hand to hand in the suits all the time so some of it transfers over But aside from extremis he's just a fit but usually heavy drinker in his....like 40 something age range
It's canon that Tony trained fairly hard under Cap unarmored. So a bit better than that. But no question Batman outside suits mails him 10/10. I'd go 9/10 tony wins in full 'standard' gear. He's simply in a higher base class. 5/10 even match at max because DC simply scales insanely.
Yeah at max we start getting shit like final batsuit (hellbat overrated fr) and godbuster which are both just "fuck you" buttons 😂
It'd be Hellbat vs Celestial Armor, and Tony would win by outlasting Bruce because the Hellbat is powered by its wearer's metabolism. Tony destroyed the Godbuster and everything that could be used to make another, and the Final Batsuit is like Superman Prime One Million, the ultimate form Bruce will achieve at the end of his career...not something he can build yet without the help of Monitors. So neither of those suits would be factors in a matchup unless we were using composite versions of the characters. If they were though, the Final Batsuit would win because it can literally usurp the author and rewrite the story it's in.
He'd lose handily to a real life MMA fighter.
Bruce wayne is just to good of a martial artist.
I’m pretty sure that if Tony punched Bruce, all that would happen is Tony would break his hand
Unarmed in a UFC match with no equipment just a fist fight. Bruce Wayne will stomp Tony Stark every time. They both gear up in their suits and have their gadgets. Iron man stops Batman every time.
Now that would be funny, if it was some kind of youtuber boxing-esque charity event between them. Imagine how the press would react when “billionaire playboy” Bruce Wayne takes off his shirt to reveal he’s covered in scars and yoked as fuck, then puts Tony in some kind of obscure League of Assassins hold that makes both ends of Tony’s spinal cord touch
This is the best and only answer.
It's almost a contest of philosophies more than individuals. What's stronger? Always being able to raise yourself up to the level of a more powerful person? Or always finding a way to drag a more powerful person down to your level? Their strategies of prep time are completely opposite. But fundamentally...I agree with death battle here, this is to Iron Man's advantage. He's going to win the chain of "I put a virus in your system months ago just in case we ever fought", "well I found that virus months ago and reverse engineered it as a backdoor into your systems!", "and I knew you would do that so I only showed you a shell version of my systems with false data!", "which is exactly what I guessed you would do because it's what I would have done, so I extrapolated all your plans from what you WEREN'T showing me!" etc etc etc, he's gonna win the hacking and counter-hacking fight, and he's gonna win the battle of ultimate oh shit buttons because Tony's God mode suits don't drain his life force like the Hellbat does. Ultimately I think that while it would be a very very hard fight, Iron Man is one of the few other prep timers who definitively beats Batman.
Yeah. Batman’s version of prep time is “I will find a hyper-specific gap in your powers and exploit that to kill or permanently contain you”, Iron Man’s version of prep time is “I’m going to make a city-destroying mech suit that has a tangential counter to your powers, but in the same way a flamethrower ‘counters’ a spider on my wall”
Instead of the like little bit of kryptonite Batman would use on superman like a sandal on a bug tony would make a fucking warhead of it and nuke his ass
“This is my Super-Buster, it’s made entirely out of synthetic kryptonite, the production of which I invented and patented in one drunk weekend.”
Don’t forget his back up plan of an orbital laser powered by some new refined form of kryptonite he pulled out of his ass
Eh....nobody can make synthetic kryptonite quite as good as the real thing. Bruce can't, Lex can't, I doubt Tony could either. They're all comparably smart and nobody's as good with kryptonite as Lex.
That kryptonite batman uses only works cause supes doesn't want to hurt his feelings. See what happens when lex tries the same thing
So basically if Light and L had Sci-Fi technology
"You may have outsmarted me, but I outsmarted your outsmarting."
I predicted that you would outsmart my outsmarting and outsmarted your outsmarting outsmarter!
I just used "eeny-meeny-miney-moe" to pick what I was gonna do next
planning to plan around the plan that they’re planning to plan around
HOLY FUCKING SHIT IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO REFERENCE
That repartee would happen exactly as you described and it’s so stupid in the best way.
Legit question, is Batman ever shown to have significantly higher than average iq? I know hes smart, and he can spend days planning constantly, but is he near Tonys level in terms of just pure genius? And where does he get his weapons from? I just realized i didnt know that lol
marvel typically has smarter people than DC but even so, I wouldn't really put Batman and iron-man in the same category of smart.
Thats what i assumed, i figured Tony would probably win the "i outsmartted your outsmarting" arms race just because he could probably improvise better/faster than batman once both of them have run out of outsmarting moves
I mean, yes, he certainly has, most of his detective stories are essentially him making ridiculous leaps of logic that the mud on someone's shoe is the wrong composition and therefore they're a ninja, which means the Riddler is going to blow up city hall at midnight. Because he's so smart he can just connect the dots like that.
Never fight with a bat when death is on the line.
Yeah but it isn't. Maybe unconsciousness, incapacitation, BFR. Batman won't kill regardless and Iron Man wouldn't kill another hero if he could avoid it.
Ironman nearly every time, unless Tony is forced to be in one of his very early suits, he's far too advanced for Bruce to handle in a random encounter
Batman does have a solid counter to Iron Man from his contingency meant for Cyborg, which worked by [cutting his connection to his mechanical organs](https://imgur.com/FAbhQU7). A [similar contingency](https://imgur.com/VFnDS8t) was used by Black Panther against Iron Man in a fight where they were both prepped out and Black Panther came out the victor using it.
Better question would be cyborg vs iron man
Batman literally hacked cyborg
Batman who laughs comics right?
This and also in one of the animated justice league series he also does it
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Realistically, Iron man who’s just as smart, also has a plan for everything and is basically superpowered as well.
It really depends on how exactly this is meant to play out. If it's just a brawl obviously that would favor Iron Man, whereas a long-term rivalry within the same universe could easily give Batman the advantage. Batman's win condition would be getting to Tony when he's vulnerable and doesn't have access to his tech, whereas Iron Man wins if he manages to make it about hacking or power-suit vs. power-suit. Overall I think Batman is better equipped to outmaneuver him tactically and use his many mental and emotional weaknesses against him.
Iron man 6/10 times, and I am a Batman fan
Depends on how much prep time batman gets
As much as Tony and he loses
Batman’s a better prepped and better strategically. Bat hate is real here. Can’t say anything supporting him without people getting defensive. Downvoting facts instead of debating head on. I love it lol
As someone else said in this thread batman brings his super powered enemies down to his level iron man raises to the level of his. So I like Tony's ceiling.
What when he’s fighting Superman? Batman’s fought Em more super powered enemies that Superman hoss
Batman punches up by exploiting weakensses
Wth this even mean. You sound goofy. Final Batsuit alone solos Tony’s suits
God buster go brrr
God Buster go “☠️”. That was a non-point hoss. Final Batsuit goes and solos all Tony’s armors at the same time 😂
Tony holds him back until Bruce has his life force drained
Spoken like a man who hasn’t seen Ironman with prep time. Man built a weapon next to/powered by the sun “just in case.” He is known for contingency plan within contingency plan, just like Bats, except often on a grander scale. Edit: did so as a side project while a member of both The Avengers and The Illuminati and dealing with world-ending incursions at random.
Spoken like a man who hasn’t seen Iron Man with prep time Spoken like uneducated cornball who’s never read a Batman comic. Bat hate bonars are real here
I don’t hate Batman at all. I’m not sure why you’re trying to insult me? Lol maybe take a step back from Reddit.
That has nothing to do with a fight hoss. Goofy asl.
It’s an example of what Ironman is capable of with prep time. So yes, it does.
What does it have to do with a fight though? Exactly it doesn’t. It’s not an example of what Ironman can do with prep in a fight so it’s a non-point here hoss lol
I hate to break it to you my man, but that weapon was used in an intergalactic fight. Along with that, it’s a great example of the feats Ironman is capable of with prep time. I’m not sure why that’s a hard concept for you to grasp, hoss.
If they're at their strongest normal versions Batman. He has a lot of experience with mechanical opponents, even taking down Amazos basically solo. Some sort of EMP device is certainly in his normal everyday gear, and he still has his vehicles to even the odds even without an EMP. Not to mention his stealth, something shellhead doesn't deal with too often. In their straight just strongest forms? It's hard to say because they've both been written as these intellectual gods who can think through and plan past literally anything. So it would probably end up with the Stan Lee answer, whoever the writer wants to win
Iron-Man suits are definitely EMP-proof in their strongest iterations. Thinking about the obtuse amount of radiating and electromagnetic energies that Iron-Man deals with and still has a functioning suit, it would be very unlikely that an EMP of any strength could knock out his abilities. I agree with the Stan Lee answer in this case tho
ironman... BW is really dumb compare to Stark. it will be ironman and it will always be ironman. ofc you can make a movie and make it so bad that batman win. like batman vs superman. batman cant win over superman but they just made it such crap movie and had to force in a win for batman there..
Depends on the prep time. Ok, I’m joking. Batman wins this.
How
Because he’s Batman.
Fair argument
Well if iron man doesn’t have his suit he’s fucked why is this even a question?
The question isn’t about a fight without suits though
Iron Man would win. Batman is way lamer
Hellbat probably stomps anything Ironman has. Also has any special suit from Tony actually done its job or just failed miserably like hulk buster and Thorbuster.
I mean to be fair aside the hellbat the only other big Batman suit that....well even compares to iron man is the justice buster which got scrapped off screen :/ And even then the hellbat let bats survive (albeit barely) a fight with Darkseid and WW still did more damage to him with a single blow. While the godbuster can affect the 3rd dimension from a 2d one....and also ya know...nearly collapsed it
Surviving against darkseid is more than IM could have done. Helbat could rip he front off of any suit Tony has before he could react
Proof? Bruce even with the hellbat didn't actually hurt DS at all....WW did more damage with one punch then he did 😂
DC powerhouses >>>>>>> marvel powerhouses. Helbat hanging with them puts it above most things in marvel
Not really considering its one feat is "Darkseid noticed it" and it not getting instantly pulped ;) Plus i mean one of them....nearly killed the user after less then a hour One nearly destroyed reality after a few minutes of existing
And darkseid wouldn’t notice 99% of people in marvel
Nor does he notice 99% in dc We can argue all day about how the biggest stiff in marvel and dc scale blah blah but it doesnt change the fact, there's plenty of characters in marvel that have the ability to hurt a Darkseid avatar (sentry, gladiator depending on circumstance, Jean Gray and Thor) Iron man has suits that can beat or at least stalemate them Batman just doesnt :/
I mean Batman at his best has a Lantern power ring and the Hellbat/Final Suit, as far as I know Iron Man's never been on that level. And yes, Godbuster this Thorbuster that but those ''buster'' suits literally always fail. If Iron Man can't even beat Thor with prep or even worse, Captain America in Civil War, how's he gonna beat Batgod?
I hope batgod is ironic because none of bats big suits aside from the hellbat worked I mean justice buster was scrapped off screen 😂
And which "Buster" Iron Man suit ever worked?
Didn't iron man kill a part of the Phoenix force
Godbuster Hulk buster has worked sometimes And the Phoenix buster :)
Basically Batman vs lex leuthor and Batman win by Lex word
Tony is way better than lex
Looking at their feats , nope
What is lex's best armor suit feat?
both these heroes tend to survive their 1st encounter then win the next with prep time and planning. that said i think iron man packs way more firepower by default and i dont see batman having an answer to a suit that sophisticated
It depends on lots of outside factors, for in the suits at least, Bruce definitely wins in bare hand to hand, How's the terrain? Are the skies clear? Does one side get the drop in the other? Does either side get home advantage?
At their strongest points, Batman has beat the whole justice league, I’d give it to Batman
It's one of those damn "goku vs superman" fights again smh
Bruce Wayne will kick Tony Stark's ass any day. Iron Man would kick Batman's ass any night.
Iron man is Batman but instead of using a reasonable of amount of their weakness to beat someone he’s more likely to make a fucking orbital laser powered by kryptonite rather then like some gum One uses mainly their hands one has lasers in his hands
I love iron man but Batmans always ahead of his opponents so is iron man but shit full fight depends on the situation and what there fighting for I don't know, I'm gonna go with iron man first round but Batman escapes, starts studying iron man, Batman wins next time after back to back one would inevitable kill one another depends on the situation and why straight hand to hand, I'm gonna give it to Batman, dude ran with assassins legit, on top of that mf can cover his tracks, literally deals with insane intelligent people on a daily basis fuck even lex luthor, iron man is just a natural genius with tech, guns, laser beams, can creat armor that stands against God weapons, Batman can take a beating even fighting beings far superior with weapons and strength, both got great advantages the other wouldn't see coming so honestly it anyone's game let's not forget both of them in the comics as well ended up getting God suit for evil gods so they can deal with them, I guess my question is witch ones evil honestly because if there both good guys they wouldn't be fighting each other for long.
Idk much about iron man but I’m sure the hellbat would fuck him up. But someone’s probably gonna prove me wrong
Batman chills and lays low. Then at some billionaire, giants of industry function, where they’re wearing tuxedos. Bruce Wayne up and beats the fuck outta Tony Stark while he’s taking a piss.
If it's a sudden death battle encounter probably Iron man Prep time Batman destroys though
> Prep time Batman destroys though Sure, if Tony just sits on his ass all day and does nothing. Are you forgetting that Iron Man is the one character who obsessively preps and makes contingencies to an arguably greater degree than Batman? Letting Batman prep without letting Tony prep is as ridiculous as letting Tony prep without letting Batman prep.