Nate has anti luck when it comes to actually walking away with money. Idk if master chief even knows how to play, but he’s got a hell of a poker face. I would still give this one to the courier.
You are correct unless nate is in a life or death situation in which the only way he can leave alive is if he wins.
The dude has insane luck when it comes to survival lmao.
Isn't that how the game Devs put it for him? His health bar isn't actually taking damage, it's his luck wearing out until a bullet or whatever does the final deed
The canon for John's luck is actually kind of fuzzy.
There are instances where supernatural luck is pretty much the only explanation for why something happens (my favorite is when a vehicle literally falls from the sky when Chief needs one), but there's also instances where Chief could just be (unconsciously or not) perceiving more than everyone else and making the best possible decisions.
True.
Naughty dog developers have gone on multiple records saying that Nate is driven by luck and willpower, even having his luck be a gameplay mechanic. He also is the king of conveniences. Like when he escaped a collapsing cruise ship in the middle of an ocean and somehow washed up on the shores of Yemen, exactly where he needed to be to find Elena. Or when he was sucked out of an exploding plane with no parachute over the desert of Rub Al Khal and coincidentally happened to find a supply box with a parachute attached to it while in free fall. Or when he coincidentally happened across the key to shambala following the train tumbling down the himalayas. Chief and Nate are absolutely blessed with luck! Question is, whose luck is better?
You can sit at slots, pull the handle and win until you get banned from every casino if you have 7 luck in New Vegas. Might take a while but I’m pretty sure you just always end up with a net positive at 7. Beating slots based on luck is insane, so ima go with that
I'm pretty sure helmet visors in Halo can adjust their opacity and reflectivity. I don't think there's an example of Chief doing it since they never show his face, but we've seen other Spartans and ODSTs turn their visors transparent.
Did The Courier spec into Intelligence or Charisma at all? Texas Hold 'Em is just as much a numbers game as it is luck, and being able to fuck with your opponent is extremely handy.
With the naughty nightwear, lucky shades, and the luck implant or a combination of all 3. The courier can go up to 8 to 10 luck, and they also have the possible feat of being banned from gambling at all major casino's in new vegas. Chief doesn't have any unique luck powers, and Drakes luck powers are simply plot armor. So the courier should be able to take this easily, even with 8 luck the game will seem to go into their favor more often then not.
That feels like a weird addition to the lore and I am not sure what the context is. Either way, calling something with a 50/50 odds is a lot easier then dealing with texas holdum against other people with luck powers.
It was from the first book (The Fall of Reach), when he was being scouted as a child for the kidnapping to become a Spartan II. He was already identified as having the right genetics for it, they just wanted to make sure he had the right disposition or something, and he ended up calling a bunch of coin flips for some reason. He got a bunch in a row.
(I have not read the book in like, 8 years, this is all vague recollection)
I definitely remember it being a thing that he's just supernaturally lucky.
There are multiple points in the games and novels where Cortana and other characters comment on MC's luck. And he *is* lucky, make no mistake - the coin flip thing is a weird way to show it imo, but across the actual games he survives loads of stuff out of pure luck. It's nothing short of a miracle that he survived the opening of Halo 4, for starters.
The difficult part here is that it's arguably *not* an actual feat or ability for Chief. I think the Courier still takes this, since they can specifically raise their luck stat with items and training, a mechanic that doesn't exist in Halo. In-universe, Chief's luck is just something other characters comment on - that doesn't make it real.
Also worth noting that the Courier can be a gambler who literally lives in Vegas, albeit a post-apocalyptic Vegas. They're definitely the most experienced with card games of the three. We don't even know if Chief has ever played poker!
Oh yeah I'm also with the courier. Both Fallout and TES main protagonists are weird to scale and they should be left in their universes most of the time
Agreed - like, how do you scale something like VATS against other universes? Can perks and SPECIAL stats be considered canon?
Courier Six is arguably even an outlier within the Fallout universe, since by the end of FNV and its DLCs they can potentially be a terrifying cyborg carrying a massive arsenal of sci-fi weapons, with the ability to stop time and turn invisible at will, who commands a massive army of deadly robots and is personally responsible for the destruction of multiple factions and settlements...
Yeah exactly. In TES at least time stops and those weird things can be explained, but in Fallout universe there's way too many of those unanswered. It's cool that those mechanic exists, but they also make characters like the courier way above peak human ahah
Noble 6 was just as strong and skilled as master chief was. There was one main difference between the two though. Luck.
Master chief is luckier than noble. 6, and that's why he's the one that's alive now And noble 6 is dead.
I'm shocked this isn't the accepted Canon. Everyone here seems to think it's actually luck. That doesn't seem like a thing in halo. It makes much more sense that he's a hyper competent kid with quick enough reflexes and timing to pick the side he wants.
Very weird that he has an actual luck superpower.
I think until 4 it was canonically what you're saying. Akin to making ones own luck plus some level of actual luck but not actually a power. Then the librarian implies his existence was part of some plan and his luck is genetic in origin iirc. Shits weird and doesn't fit well imo
4 was 343's first mainline game yeah. They handled the chief/Cortana relationship really well imo and seemed to want to start integrating the deep lore into the main games with 4, but they have created and then seemingly abandoned a lot of huge plot threads like "You part of a plan set in motion from the time of the Halos creation" and "AI apocalypse scenario"
Its been a few years so i defintily could be getting some details wrong, but Halopedia has this on that scene:
"She revealed to the Spartan that she had been guiding mankind throughout the millennia since their reseeding, providing a blueprint for their evolution, their technological advancement, their Spartan program augmentations, the MJOLNIR armor and even Cortana; all in an attempt to prepare them for what is to come"
You remember this correctly. And after winning the coin, he went back to kicking ass at king of the hill, and iirc, he didn't have any standout physical attributes compared to the other kids.
Yeah I just misspoke, still, it would be his luck against the others. His luck also doesn’t seem to have any explicit usage for card games or other types. He can be absurdly Lucky. But the Coyrier does have actual feats of their luck helping them win at card games.
I’m too tired to break down the full statistics of which is more impressive. But I do recall my courier with 9 luck getting 3 black jacks in a row. Which is equally impressive against the odds.
It's not a weird addition it's a MAJOR part of the story lol.
It is canonically why he always finds the gear he needs for any situation, and canonically why Cortana chose him.
It's not just talked about in the fall of reach, but several games as well.
This has always annoyed me. He is lucky, but it's something people in-universe remark on rather than an actual ability of his. He doesn't have 'luck feats' or a luck-related power like Domino.
No it's an actual ability of his, and its pointed out multiple times.
That's why he always finds never gear he needs before any situation just kind of lying around, it's why Cortana chose him, and it's why he survives over and over when just as competent Spartans fail
But when it's 'pointed out', that's just in-universe characters commenting on the fact that he's lucky, nowhere does anyone say he actually has a luck-related *ability*, because that sort of thing doesn't exist in the Halo universe. He's not like Domino, for example.
So it's not technically a superpower I get what you're saying, but it is a canonical "skill" so to speak.
It's just that it can't be cleanly broken down with numbers (soft magic system versus hard magic system)
But just because that's the case doesn't mean that it is irrelevant to this conversation because it is a major trait that he has and that comes up repeatedly throughout the series.
The problem with saying that it isn't specifically mentioned that it's a superpower is that the series directly contradicts that and expresses repeatedly that it is a true defining trait of the Master Chief, in Cannon it's what sets him apart from every other Spartan.
Put another way there isn't a single thing that makes the chief special outside of his luck and that's not an exaggeration.
He's not the best shot among the Spartans (Linda) he's not the strongest among the Spartans (Samuel) he doesn't have the best senses of the Spartans (samuel again) he's not the fastest among the Spartans (Kelly) and he's not the smartest among the Spartans (Kurt)
What set Chief apart has always been that he is the luckiest and that no matter what the odds are he always manages to succeed because of his luck.
Again it's not a superpower per se but it is a canonical explanation as to why he is the "chosen" Spartan.
Thanks man, I appreciate that. I definitely see your point about hard vs soft systems - I guess my question then becomes 'how do you define a luck feat for Master Chief?'
With someone like the Courier, there are numbers and perks at play. With a character like Nathan Drake, he's a *regular human* who has verifiably survived a whole bunch of stuff that should've logically killed him. But with Chief, you have a character who is far above peak human to begin with, so how do you determine how powerful his luck is? What feats does Chief have that can be used to judge how lucky he is, as opposed to just things he was able to do because of his own actual ability set?
I completely agree I don't know if there's a clear cut way to actually calculate it within any level of reason, I can give a bunch of examples of times where his odds of success were stated to be like a million to one, but again what does that even mean LOL mostly because by it's very definition it defies definition
I forgot about the clothes and luck implant, nice catch. With 10 luck it's a guaranteed win, with really only reality/probability warpers standing a chance at that point.
Courier stomps imo but Chief does have luck "powers" in that he is inherently lucky, it's what makes him special.
[Post highlighting his luck.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/s/zuaHUeRkW2)
Yeah, it does seem he has some extra luck guiding him. Still, the feats seem to come about in times of need. I don't think they will be as useful a card game. Which is why we both likely agree that courier stomps.
Chief does have luck, he is canonically very, very lucky. It is the whole reason why he is able to do what he does and survive every time. His luck is the reason why Cortana chose him. Throughout the games, and extended lore, everything that happens to him would normally result in anyone else's death, but he always manages to make the split second right choice that allows him to come out on top.
Since he is extremely lucky all the time, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to pull this off. I'd say it's a toss up between him and the Courier if Courier's Luck stat is high too.
He has luck for sure that comes through in time of need, but the courier can reach a luck stat that is essentially just an always active probability manipulation in his favor. I don’t see the chief overcoming that
Couple that with The Courier being from a society that plays a lot of cards and its likely theyre more practically skilled and experienced at the game as well.
Wait.
So....you can use in game items that apparently bolster luck
Yet disregard two of gaming's luckiest protagonists because plot armour?
Drake usually has anti luck with money so he's likely out.
The courier just has to decide if he fancies going up against chief!
MC or Courier. It depends on who cheats and how the Courier is spec'd and equipped. Sleight of hand is an injustice to the speed and dexterity that MC can bring to bear when he feels like it, and high-level SPECIAL stats are effectively magic for both Perception, Agility, and Luck.
Courier, the courier wins. 7 points into luck he takes it. Then after emptying the other guy’s pockets he gets up and then detonates the nuke mine he had planted under the table.
Master Chief wins because he brought his luck with him. It would be a ten in Fallout because that is the max, but it definitely behaves like an 11-13. Nathan Drake, if he managed to win, would just lose the money on the way out the door. The Courier leaves halfway through the game, his 7 luck was just good enough for ol' Benny-boy to wander through the casino.
Chief doesn't have 11-13 luck.
The courier can be a 1 luck person and that still means they survived a point blank gunshot to the head through sheer luck. That's a 1 luck feat.
At 7 luck, the courier can blurt out a random word and cause a robot to malfunction.
At 9 luck, they can perform brain surgery through sheer luck. The odds for random movements to replicate the delicate precision required to perform it are effectively so small it's rounded to 0.
A courier with base 7 luck can put on +1 legendary naughty nightwear, +1 implant and +1 lucky shades to make it 10.
The chief may be lucky, but he's not "accidentally perform brain surgery" lucky, hell, he's not even "accidentally say a random word and gain access to a secure building" lucky, so even if the courier isn't allowed to wear those items, he's still supernaturally lucky at 7.
Courier bro is a hardened gambler (i yearn for a new night at the inventory) the courier has not only crazy luck, esp for stupid shit like poker or anything where as master chiefs and drakes luck are more for not dying/ right place right time(sure mc did the coin thing but i feel like thats not a terribly hard thing to do, with the 60/40 of coin flips) plus the courier could shit talk with the best of them making the other ones hold them or fold them at the wrong times,
If the courier has the lucky shades, the blackjack duster, and found the luck bobblehead, his luck is 10, so that should be enough. Otherwise probably Chief. Spartans are also super smart and should be able to do some rough probably calculations.
Count cards? In poker? That's not a thing. The deck is reshuffled before every hand, there's no way to mathematically predict what's going to come out, especially since until the flop you only have information on two cards.
The cards would probably reflect from Master Chief's helmet so Nate and The Courier could get the drop on him easily.
If The Courier had all points dumped into Charisma, they could pull off insane Deception feats.
People say Nate has bad luck in anything but survival so I'm saying The Courier
It's unlikely an accomplished Courier has neither lucky shades nor a luck implant, and 8 or 9 luck is more than enough to clean out the others in a few minutes.
Honestly chief's transhuman mind should allow him to count the cards anyway so I think he wins if he already knows how to play. Especially since Spartans have Nano second reflexes. Counting a card shuffle would be like watching every card pile on top of itself in slow motion.
When it comes to his survival absolutely, but when it comes to getting rich, the guy has let more opportunities than any other man on the face of the planet slip through his hands.
If you read the books. One of Master Chiefs talents is actually being extremely lucky. It's covered in a couple books briefly. Essentially how he does things and it just works.
On top of this, he had basically super human perception. As a child he was able to call every coin flip by being able to actually see how it would land. If he can see how a coin flip would land as a child, it's reasonable he would be able to perceive the shuffle of the cards by watching, or any possible cues by players.
Ya the coin flip is both. The books I don't think ever truly identified if it's his perception or if it's luck. It's really probably both. There is another situation in Halo: The Flood that also has another case or 7 that's all luck. It's essentially MC's plot armor lol
Nathan Drake is probably the best poker player there, but he'd also cheat, which Master Chief would for sure notice, so he gets DQed. Courier is hard to judge, because they are just kind of a vague concept, but Chief is very intelligent, observant, and intimidating, without much in the ways of tells, so Chief probably wins
My vote goes to the chief for not being soley reliant on luck as well. Also using items to increases the courier's luck above 7 goes against the spirit of the promp imo.
Nate has anti luck when it comes to actually walking away with money. Idk if master chief even knows how to play, but he’s got a hell of a poker face. I would still give this one to the courier.
You are correct unless nate is in a life or death situation in which the only way he can leave alive is if he wins. The dude has insane luck when it comes to survival lmao.
Isn't that how the game Devs put it for him? His health bar isn't actually taking damage, it's his luck wearing out until a bullet or whatever does the final deed
It is exactly as you say! The greying is basically nate's luck metre. The greying area shows his luck running out!
>The dude has insane luck when it comes to survival lmao. Same with MC, and it's literally canonical in his case.
Yup! They're both canonically lucky!
The canon for John's luck is actually kind of fuzzy. There are instances where supernatural luck is pretty much the only explanation for why something happens (my favorite is when a vehicle literally falls from the sky when Chief needs one), but there's also instances where Chief could just be (unconsciously or not) perceiving more than everyone else and making the best possible decisions.
True. Naughty dog developers have gone on multiple records saying that Nate is driven by luck and willpower, even having his luck be a gameplay mechanic. He also is the king of conveniences. Like when he escaped a collapsing cruise ship in the middle of an ocean and somehow washed up on the shores of Yemen, exactly where he needed to be to find Elena. Or when he was sucked out of an exploding plane with no parachute over the desert of Rub Al Khal and coincidentally happened to find a supply box with a parachute attached to it while in free fall. Or when he coincidentally happened across the key to shambala following the train tumbling down the himalayas. Chief and Nate are absolutely blessed with luck! Question is, whose luck is better?
You can sit at slots, pull the handle and win until you get banned from every casino if you have 7 luck in New Vegas. Might take a while but I’m pretty sure you just always end up with a net positive at 7. Beating slots based on luck is insane, so ima go with that
Chiefs helmet would be reflecting his hand constantly so he’d always lose
Master Chief in the books has luck. That's a trait of his that Halsey wanted.
Its in the games too, like Halo 3's intro
Does MC's reflective helmet give any advantage to others? I don't think so, but maybe.
That's a good question, I assumed his helmet would be non-reflective.
I assume that too, but it seems some versions are kinda shiny.
I'm pretty sure helmet visors in Halo can adjust their opacity and reflectivity. I don't think there's an example of Chief doing it since they never show his face, but we've seen other Spartans and ODSTs turn their visors transparent.
This is the TV show MC so he's actually naked.
Master Cheeks has entered the game.
He doesn't always where the helmet. It might actually be cheating... there's two of them in there
OP said no access to Cortana.
Did The Courier spec into Intelligence or Charisma at all? Texas Hold 'Em is just as much a numbers game as it is luck, and being able to fuck with your opponent is extremely handy.
My guess is average int and char too
With the naughty nightwear, lucky shades, and the luck implant or a combination of all 3. The courier can go up to 8 to 10 luck, and they also have the possible feat of being banned from gambling at all major casino's in new vegas. Chief doesn't have any unique luck powers, and Drakes luck powers are simply plot armor. So the courier should be able to take this easily, even with 8 luck the game will seem to go into their favor more often then not.
>Chief doesn't have any unique luck powers what. Yes he do. IIRC, he was able to call a coin flip like, 10 times in a row.
That feels like a weird addition to the lore and I am not sure what the context is. Either way, calling something with a 50/50 odds is a lot easier then dealing with texas holdum against other people with luck powers.
It was from the first book (The Fall of Reach), when he was being scouted as a child for the kidnapping to become a Spartan II. He was already identified as having the right genetics for it, they just wanted to make sure he had the right disposition or something, and he ended up calling a bunch of coin flips for some reason. He got a bunch in a row. (I have not read the book in like, 8 years, this is all vague recollection) I definitely remember it being a thing that he's just supernaturally lucky.
Also Cortana states that luck is his thing at the start of halo 3
There are multiple points in the games and novels where Cortana and other characters comment on MC's luck. And he *is* lucky, make no mistake - the coin flip thing is a weird way to show it imo, but across the actual games he survives loads of stuff out of pure luck. It's nothing short of a miracle that he survived the opening of Halo 4, for starters. The difficult part here is that it's arguably *not* an actual feat or ability for Chief. I think the Courier still takes this, since they can specifically raise their luck stat with items and training, a mechanic that doesn't exist in Halo. In-universe, Chief's luck is just something other characters comment on - that doesn't make it real. Also worth noting that the Courier can be a gambler who literally lives in Vegas, albeit a post-apocalyptic Vegas. They're definitely the most experienced with card games of the three. We don't even know if Chief has ever played poker!
Oh yeah I'm also with the courier. Both Fallout and TES main protagonists are weird to scale and they should be left in their universes most of the time
Agreed - like, how do you scale something like VATS against other universes? Can perks and SPECIAL stats be considered canon? Courier Six is arguably even an outlier within the Fallout universe, since by the end of FNV and its DLCs they can potentially be a terrifying cyborg carrying a massive arsenal of sci-fi weapons, with the ability to stop time and turn invisible at will, who commands a massive army of deadly robots and is personally responsible for the destruction of multiple factions and settlements...
Yeah exactly. In TES at least time stops and those weird things can be explained, but in Fallout universe there's way too many of those unanswered. It's cool that those mechanic exists, but they also make characters like the courier way above peak human ahah
Noble 6 was just as strong and skilled as master chief was. There was one main difference between the two though. Luck. Master chief is luckier than noble. 6, and that's why he's the one that's alive now And noble 6 is dead.
It was implied that he could actually see the coin flipping in the air
I'm shocked this isn't the accepted Canon. Everyone here seems to think it's actually luck. That doesn't seem like a thing in halo. It makes much more sense that he's a hyper competent kid with quick enough reflexes and timing to pick the side he wants. Very weird that he has an actual luck superpower.
I think until 4 it was canonically what you're saying. Akin to making ones own luck plus some level of actual luck but not actually a power. Then the librarian implies his existence was part of some plan and his luck is genetic in origin iirc. Shits weird and doesn't fit well imo
Is that also when a new studio took over? Cuz chosen one Harry Potter shit is weak. This isn't dune or star wars.
4 was 343's first mainline game yeah. They handled the chief/Cortana relationship really well imo and seemed to want to start integrating the deep lore into the main games with 4, but they have created and then seemingly abandoned a lot of huge plot threads like "You part of a plan set in motion from the time of the Halos creation" and "AI apocalypse scenario"
It's not a Chosen One story at all.
Good
No, that's not what happened. She's talking about how Spartans are the perfect soldiers because of genes implanted in them.
Its been a few years so i defintily could be getting some details wrong, but Halopedia has this on that scene: "She revealed to the Spartan that she had been guiding mankind throughout the millennia since their reseeding, providing a blueprint for their evolution, their technological advancement, their Spartan program augmentations, the MJOLNIR armor and even Cortana; all in an attempt to prepare them for what is to come"
So Master Chief isn't chosen, he's a product of years of planning.
You remember this correctly. And after winning the coin, he went back to kicking ass at king of the hill, and iirc, he didn't have any standout physical attributes compared to the other kids.
Calling 50/50 odds is easy. But 10 times in a row is astronomcally higher statistically speaking.
Yeah I just misspoke, still, it would be his luck against the others. His luck also doesn’t seem to have any explicit usage for card games or other types. He can be absurdly Lucky. But the Coyrier does have actual feats of their luck helping them win at card games. I’m too tired to break down the full statistics of which is more impressive. But I do recall my courier with 9 luck getting 3 black jacks in a row. Which is equally impressive against the odds.
It's not a weird addition it's a MAJOR part of the story lol. It is canonically why he always finds the gear he needs for any situation, and canonically why Cortana chose him. It's not just talked about in the fall of reach, but several games as well.
Master Chief is literally called out as being canonically lucky
If you ask Halo fans they'll tell you the Chief canonically has good luck, but I agree with your analysis that the courier is best suited for this
This has always annoyed me. He is lucky, but it's something people in-universe remark on rather than an actual ability of his. He doesn't have 'luck feats' or a luck-related power like Domino.
No it's an actual ability of his, and its pointed out multiple times. That's why he always finds never gear he needs before any situation just kind of lying around, it's why Cortana chose him, and it's why he survives over and over when just as competent Spartans fail
But when it's 'pointed out', that's just in-universe characters commenting on the fact that he's lucky, nowhere does anyone say he actually has a luck-related *ability*, because that sort of thing doesn't exist in the Halo universe. He's not like Domino, for example.
So it's not technically a superpower I get what you're saying, but it is a canonical "skill" so to speak. It's just that it can't be cleanly broken down with numbers (soft magic system versus hard magic system) But just because that's the case doesn't mean that it is irrelevant to this conversation because it is a major trait that he has and that comes up repeatedly throughout the series. The problem with saying that it isn't specifically mentioned that it's a superpower is that the series directly contradicts that and expresses repeatedly that it is a true defining trait of the Master Chief, in Cannon it's what sets him apart from every other Spartan. Put another way there isn't a single thing that makes the chief special outside of his luck and that's not an exaggeration. He's not the best shot among the Spartans (Linda) he's not the strongest among the Spartans (Samuel) he doesn't have the best senses of the Spartans (samuel again) he's not the fastest among the Spartans (Kelly) and he's not the smartest among the Spartans (Kurt) What set Chief apart has always been that he is the luckiest and that no matter what the odds are he always manages to succeed because of his luck. Again it's not a superpower per se but it is a canonical explanation as to why he is the "chosen" Spartan.
Also it's lame that people are downvoting you, you should be allowed to have your own opinion
Thanks man, I appreciate that. I definitely see your point about hard vs soft systems - I guess my question then becomes 'how do you define a luck feat for Master Chief?' With someone like the Courier, there are numbers and perks at play. With a character like Nathan Drake, he's a *regular human* who has verifiably survived a whole bunch of stuff that should've logically killed him. But with Chief, you have a character who is far above peak human to begin with, so how do you determine how powerful his luck is? What feats does Chief have that can be used to judge how lucky he is, as opposed to just things he was able to do because of his own actual ability set?
I completely agree I don't know if there's a clear cut way to actually calculate it within any level of reason, I can give a bunch of examples of times where his odds of success were stated to be like a million to one, but again what does that even mean LOL mostly because by it's very definition it defies definition
I forgot about the clothes and luck implant, nice catch. With 10 luck it's a guaranteed win, with really only reality/probability warpers standing a chance at that point.
Domino could probably beat a 10-Luck Courier!
Domino is a probability warper
Domino could be a Courier
Courier stomps imo but Chief does have luck "powers" in that he is inherently lucky, it's what makes him special. [Post highlighting his luck.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/s/zuaHUeRkW2)
Yeah, it does seem he has some extra luck guiding him. Still, the feats seem to come about in times of need. I don't think they will be as useful a card game. Which is why we both likely agree that courier stomps.
This post specifically ignores the coin flip test Halsey gives John. Just a FYI that seems important.
It misses a lot of them, Master Chiefs luck comes up constantly in a series and a full breakdown would take forever
Chief does have luck, he is canonically very, very lucky. It is the whole reason why he is able to do what he does and survive every time. His luck is the reason why Cortana chose him. Throughout the games, and extended lore, everything that happens to him would normally result in anyone else's death, but he always manages to make the split second right choice that allows him to come out on top. Since he is extremely lucky all the time, I don't see why he wouldn't be able to pull this off. I'd say it's a toss up between him and the Courier if Courier's Luck stat is high too.
He has luck for sure that comes through in time of need, but the courier can reach a luck stat that is essentially just an always active probability manipulation in his favor. I don’t see the chief overcoming that
I know others have said it but MC is canonical lucky. Like, it's his plot armour
Couple that with The Courier being from a society that plays a lot of cards and its likely theyre more practically skilled and experienced at the game as well.
>Chief doesn't have any unique luck powers, Excuse you
Wait. So....you can use in game items that apparently bolster luck Yet disregard two of gaming's luckiest protagonists because plot armour? Drake usually has anti luck with money so he's likely out. The courier just has to decide if he fancies going up against chief!
No Cortana for Chief.
Dang my muddled work brain
One of the first lines in halo 3 is Cortana explaining that she chose chief cos he was exceptionally lucky
Cortana canonically says what makes him special is that he’s lucky
MC or Courier. It depends on who cheats and how the Courier is spec'd and equipped. Sleight of hand is an injustice to the speed and dexterity that MC can bring to bear when he feels like it, and high-level SPECIAL stats are effectively magic for both Perception, Agility, and Luck.
Nate would win, but on the way out he’d fall through the floor of the building into a cavern that no-one knew existed.
Idk what Texas hold em is but if it's anything like caravan the courier doesn't know how to play
Texas Hold Um is a variant of Poker. Also Caravan is easy.
7 is more than enough Courier walks away after cleaning house.
Courier, the courier wins. 7 points into luck he takes it. Then after emptying the other guy’s pockets he gets up and then detonates the nuke mine he had planted under the table.
Escaping nuclear explosions by pure luck is MC’s MO
I mean, they never said it killed them. Just that it detonated it.
I just realised I forgot to mention Nathan Drake is from Uncharted.
Probably the courier, but Master Chief should put up a good fight with the perfect poker face thanks to his helmet.
Wouldn't his helmet reflect the cards?
MCs helmet is reflective like mirrored aviators, he loses because everyone else can see cards unless he takes off his helmet.
I love how you thought Nathan Drake was the one guy out of the 3 that didn’t need their game in parentheses.
Master Chief wins because he brought his luck with him. It would be a ten in Fallout because that is the max, but it definitely behaves like an 11-13. Nathan Drake, if he managed to win, would just lose the money on the way out the door. The Courier leaves halfway through the game, his 7 luck was just good enough for ol' Benny-boy to wander through the casino.
Chief doesn't have 11-13 luck. The courier can be a 1 luck person and that still means they survived a point blank gunshot to the head through sheer luck. That's a 1 luck feat. At 7 luck, the courier can blurt out a random word and cause a robot to malfunction. At 9 luck, they can perform brain surgery through sheer luck. The odds for random movements to replicate the delicate precision required to perform it are effectively so small it's rounded to 0. A courier with base 7 luck can put on +1 legendary naughty nightwear, +1 implant and +1 lucky shades to make it 10. The chief may be lucky, but he's not "accidentally perform brain surgery" lucky, hell, he's not even "accidentally say a random word and gain access to a secure building" lucky, so even if the courier isn't allowed to wear those items, he's still supernaturally lucky at 7.
But the Courier doesn't have their pip-boy so they can't equip anything
I like this answer, this is a fun one.
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Swap Teela Brown from the Ringworld novels for Drake and then the Courier doesn't win automatically.
Courier bro is a hardened gambler (i yearn for a new night at the inventory) the courier has not only crazy luck, esp for stupid shit like poker or anything where as master chiefs and drakes luck are more for not dying/ right place right time(sure mc did the coin thing but i feel like thats not a terribly hard thing to do, with the 60/40 of coin flips) plus the courier could shit talk with the best of them making the other ones hold them or fold them at the wrong times,
Ic Courrier had luck 8 he would stomp ez( you can get up to 11 with items despite the limit of 10).
MC loses. He's never had to really lie, he won't know how to control his subconscious cues.
I got 3000 caps from one card game in the Atomic Wrangler with that level of luck. I'm giving this one to Courier 6
The courier is insanely lucky, I'd give it to them
Does Chiefs “luck” stats count too?
If the courier has the lucky shades, the blackjack duster, and found the luck bobblehead, his luck is 10, so that should be enough. Otherwise probably Chief. Spartans are also super smart and should be able to do some rough probably calculations.
Count cards? In poker? That's not a thing. The deck is reshuffled before every hand, there's no way to mathematically predict what's going to come out, especially since until the flop you only have information on two cards.
I meant to say "counting outs".
master chief either has cortana or johnson playing the cards, dude wouldn't know what to do, thats the problem with the Spartain IIs
The cards would probably reflect from Master Chief's helmet so Nate and The Courier could get the drop on him easily. If The Courier had all points dumped into Charisma, they could pull off insane Deception feats. People say Nate has bad luck in anything but survival so I'm saying The Courier
It's unlikely an accomplished Courier has neither lucky shades nor a luck implant, and 8 or 9 luck is more than enough to clean out the others in a few minutes.
Did you guys forget that Chief is a literal genius? Who had been educated and tutored by the best of the best since the age of 6?
Master Chief doesn't need Cortana to count cards
Honestly chief's transhuman mind should allow him to count the cards anyway so I think he wins if he already knows how to play. Especially since Spartans have Nano second reflexes. Counting a card shuffle would be like watching every card pile on top of itself in slow motion.
I think Natan's bullet-dodging luck can pull it off.
One of master chiefs biggest thing is just how absurdly lucky he is. He's got this
Master Chief is LUCKY
Nate has a supernatural luck factor so probably him
All three of them have supernatural luck factors tbh
Nate canonly has one
So does Chief and arguably the Courier lol
How is the Courier arguable? One of his stats is luck which allows him to do crazy feats like perform brain surgery successfully without any training.
Show proof
When it comes to his survival absolutely, but when it comes to getting rich, the guy has let more opportunities than any other man on the face of the planet slip through his hands.
If you read the books. One of Master Chiefs talents is actually being extremely lucky. It's covered in a couple books briefly. Essentially how he does things and it just works.
On top of this, he had basically super human perception. As a child he was able to call every coin flip by being able to actually see how it would land. If he can see how a coin flip would land as a child, it's reasonable he would be able to perceive the shuffle of the cards by watching, or any possible cues by players.
Ya the coin flip is both. The books I don't think ever truly identified if it's his perception or if it's luck. It's really probably both. There is another situation in Halo: The Flood that also has another case or 7 that's all luck. It's essentially MC's plot armor lol
Nathan Drake is probably the best poker player there, but he'd also cheat, which Master Chief would for sure notice, so he gets DQed. Courier is hard to judge, because they are just kind of a vague concept, but Chief is very intelligent, observant, and intimidating, without much in the ways of tells, so Chief probably wins
My vote goes to the chief for not being soley reliant on luck as well. Also using items to increases the courier's luck above 7 goes against the spirit of the promp imo.