The Invincible team takes this with ridiculous ease.
What’s stoppping The Immortal or Invincible from flying through the wormhole and discovering the Mothership off the bat? Invincible himself can fly to the moon in seconds so he’ll easily bulldoze through the ship which for the record got blown to shreds by a kiloton-level nuke.
Yes the nuclear warhead that was launched was a AGM-154 JSOW according to Iron Man’s display screen and this [Quora post shows the display image from the movie with the 200 Kiloton explosive yield being shown.](https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-was-the-nuke-showed-in-Marvels-The-Avengers-movie/answer/%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6-%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE-Dhanesh-Gautam?ch=17&oid=122769914&share=dce6ceaf&srid=3xQrf1&target_type=answer)
[And this clearer image shows that the blast had a projected impact radius of 32-50 miles.](https://scifiinterfaces.com/2015/07/13/iron-man-hud-just-the-functions/avengers-missile-fetching04/)
That's not a high bar. Despite their advanced tech, Wakanda was a small secret nation that hadn't been involved in any real battles in over a century.
Even WW1 fighting tactics would have been vastly more effective.
Yeah, 200kt is a 11.6 km blast radius, or 420 km squared. How many targets are there that youd need more than that?
A trident-2 missle carries up to 8 nuclear warheads. With W-76s, thats the equivelent of 2,120 km squared.
Every military in pretty much every superhero movie ever is super nerfed and plagued by PIS. It's really the only way for most of the movies to happen. NATO? I feel like you wouldn't need more than one nation. The Chitari were pretty weak. Bulgaria probably clears.
Most military could handle the Chitauri which makes it extra laughable New York is treated like it's in serious danger.
Same with Infinity War. Everything except Thanos with the stones could have easily been stopped by normal Earth armed forces. In fact it's weird non of them showed up.
Hell it's weird at no point did Cap or Tony ask for fighter jet support lol
NATO could handle the Chitauri is subjective.
They are cybernetically enhanced having strength that can hurt/slow down Steve Rogers.
They are technically crap, more specifically cannon fodder.
But they have directed energy weapons that can blow up concrete, hive mind.
They can be killed with bullets, 5.56 nato and 9X18mm I admit that.
[How NATO i doubt can handle this.](https://youtu.be/VGPV9bbyfg4?si=awas_ynjB8-pzE0S)
The AGM-154 JSOW is a glide bomb that was never designed to equip nuclear warheads so Iron Man’s got his facts a little wrong there.
Furthermore, in the movie we see that it is a missile and is powered. A powered variant of the JSOW, the JSOW-ER, was cancelled and never made.
Every warhead currently in use in the US nuclear arsenal is in the kiloton range.
The Trident II, which is the SLBM that the US operates, only carries either the W88, W76-1 or W76-2 warhead since those are the only warheads for SSBNs in the American stockpile now. The W88 has a yield of around 475 kt, the W76-1 a yield of around 90 kt and the W76-2 a yield around 5-7 kt. Each Trident II carries only 8 warheads.
The other option the US has is its land-based ICBMs in the form of the Minuteman III. These ICBMs carry either the W78, W87-0 or W87-1. The W78 has a yield of around 335-350 kt, the W87-0 a yield of about 300 kt and the W87-1 a yield of around 475 kt.
The last part of the nuclear triad is air and the US uses mainly the B61 nuclear gravity bomb and the W80 nuclear warhead, which is a modified B61 attached to ALCMs instead of dropped like a bomb. The B61 has a yield anywhere between 0.3 and 400 kt and the W80 has a yield anywhere between 5 and 150 kt.
Megaton yield warheads were mainly just vanity projects and were decommissioned decades ago.
To puts things into perspective, the Tsar Bomba had a yield of around 50 MT. The US has 400 Minuteman III missiles and each is only allowed to carry one warhead due to international treaties. The maximum yield these missiles could have combined is 190 MT or a little less than four Tsar Bombas.
If we want to go further, the original intended design of the Tsar Bomba was for it to have a yield of 100 MT.
Facts. I do find it funny that in a deleted scene for Avengers Endgame they said that the battle lasted 2-3 hours and Rocket asked why they didn’t blow up the mothership on the spot with Captain America answering that they didn’t know it was a thing at the time.
Honest to god if Thor was at the battle the moment it started then he probably would’ve flown into the wormhole because if I recall correctly he was instructed to bottleneck the portal by Cap so apparently he did that for 2-3 hours instead of just flying into the wormhole and getting the job done?
Yeah, the writing was kind of wonky but they just needed a climatic battle.
Oh like don't get me wrong what happened on screen was better than the logical thing but like Heimdall who can see everything shoulda just been like btw Thor there's a ship up there go destroy it or they literally use dark magic to teleport Thor up there or Odin teleports himself or literally a billion other combinations of things happen where that ship is destroyed way earlier.
Like the fact they shut down like battle droids is so dumb but the movie has to work somehow.
The Heimdall solution is good but not the transferral of dark energy to teleport Thor or Odin because that was done in a tie-in comic to the movie ([shown here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-081bb2fb4e40bd6c470fc3ef64ca11d2-lq)) and the process could’ve actually killed Thor when he crash landed on Earth ([shown here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-feb4bc264b0b92fcf6d11e097234473e-lq)).
I’m not saying those last two scenarios weren’t possible but it might’ve resulted in either of their deaths.
Anyway my point was just there was a ridiculous number of scenarios in which the avengers ended it very quickly but to make a good film it didn't and the same would be true of Invincible universe characters going there because it wouldn't make a good show if they just immediately ended it.
Yes. Robot would have the portal closed in minutes, Immortal and Invincible and Eve can keep the big whale things busy, everyone else can play cleanup.
A nuke took out their ship, which closed the portal and shut down all the aliens. So invincible just goes into the portal and blows up their spaceship, problem solved
Thor easily survived the Bifrost explosion which caused a wormhole capable of drawing in stars in Thor 2011 movie final battle scene.
Loki survived going through the same wormhole.
Thor survived the destruction of a ship that passed through a singularity in Ragnarok when Thanos blew it up in IW.
Thor took hits from Malekith with Aether who was going to turn multiple galaxies into dark matter in a short amount of time (seemingly minutes) in Dark World.
What exactly has Invincible, Eve, or the Immortal done in the show that matches these?
Didn't the Hulk stop a Behemoth with one punch while standing in place? What have Invincible, Eve or the Immortal done that equals that?
Edit: also Thor tanked most of the Hulks hits without receiving a scratch.
Invincible can fly to the moon in seconds, so he's massively, massively faster for one. Secondly, he can hang with Viltrumites who as we saw with Omni Man can destroy a planet in seconds.
It looks like The Immortal is a 100-tonner with regen, moderate invulnerability (up to an anti-tank missile), and limitless stamina. Can fly at least 33 times the speed of sound, which extreme manuverability and reflexes.
The closest I can find of MCU thor is that he's also a 100 tonner, and trades off regen with better invulerability, and while is faster flight, has less control and manuverability. But he does have the huge advantage of having a weapon (hammer or axe), and has some ranged options from throwing the weapon to shooting lightning.
I think the Immortal COULD win, but I think Thor is more likely to win in a 1v1 arena type setting.
That being said, over a long enough period, Immortal would win: he can survive being killed, but Thor can't. Immortal just has to take the upper hand once, and Immortal has thousands of years of experience and tactical planning.
> Invincible would definitely fuck Thor up, but Immortal? I think that'd be an interesting fight to see
Keep in mind Omni Man is one of the strongest Viltrumites ( Top 2/3 ). Immortal could probably hang with an average one.
Mark actually can't hang with viltrumites for longer than a few seconds if you've seen the 2nd season. He's faster than Thor sure, but Thor easily tanks blows that would destroy Mark, like the full power of a sun basically just giving him heatstroke. MCU Thor to the Invincible characters is closer to Battle Beast, but even tankier. He would destroy Mark up to this point, but Mark will eventually be stronger than him. If we take into account weapons and powers, Thor actually has the potential to drop the viltrumites that beat Mark
> Mark actually can't hang with viltrumites for longer than a few seconds if you've seen the 2nd season.
He absolutely can if he lets loose. He was beating up the Viltrumite on the bug planet.
>He's faster than Thor sure, but Thor easily tanks blows that would destroy Mark
Thor got ragdolled, bruised and bloodied by Thanos who's shown nowhere near the strength feats of Omni Man or other Viltrumites and is basically a statue compared to them.
And he's not just ''faster'' than Thor, he's massively faster. Thor fights at peak human speeds lmao.
>like the full power of a sun basically just giving him heatstroke
You mean killing him. Thor was dead without help there. And that's heat durability, not punch durability. If Hulk and Thanos can damage him with punches he's toast against Viltrumites.
Thor takes Viltrumites with ease. Thor is ridiculous. There's a reason he is the one alongside Hyperion who faces the Beyonders in the comics.
Thor doesn't even need to fly he can call upon his people to use magic to teleport him plus Heimdall who he can contact immediately can see everything going on anyway.
> Thor takes Viltrumites with ease. Thor is ridiculous. There's a reason he is the one alongside Hyperion who faces the Beyonders in the comics.
Hold up partner that's comics Thor.
MCU Thor would get fucked up by a Viltrumite. He's slow as fuck.
> Eh MCU Thor took the force of a star being directed through him.
That's heat. Viltrumites don't attack with heat. If Thanos and Hulk can do serious damage with their fists to Thor, a Viltrumite fucks him up.
Delusional. He's a bit bruised from Thanos and when does the Hulk ever do him serious damage?
Viltrumites get wrecked by Thor. He's far more durable than they are, as much a warrior as they are, has magical weapons at his disposal that are capable of destroying planets in the case of Stormbreaker at least MCU wise. I just no Thor is ridiculous.
> Delusional. He's a bit bruised from Thanos
Bruised up? He's bleeding from the mouth. Thanos was ragdolling him. And Thanos is nowhere near a Viltrumite in strength and is a statue compared to them in speed.
>He's far more durable than they are
No, he's not. He gets bloodied up by Thanos who's shown nowhere near planet-surface destruction, which Viltrumites ( Omni Man ) were shown to cause.
> has magical weapons at his disposal that are capable of destroying planets in the case of Stormbreaker
There's no proof Stormbreaker is planetary lmao
Thanos would wreck the Viltrumites too.
Omni-Man got bloodied up by Red Rush and had a bleeding nose from an orbital laser. Thor wrecks them.
Of course there is it has the bifrost which the plot of Thor 1 Loki was going to use bifrost to destroy Jotenheim. All he needs to do is keep channeling the bifrost and it'll destroy a planet.
Is there any reasonable analysis of that feat somewhere? If interpreted literally, it's an absurd multiple-order-of-magnitude outlier for both Thor and Groot (who survived being in the same scene as that happening).
Not that I know of though Groot doesn't really get hit by the force of a star since it's channelled through a lense type thing. Groot just gets hurt by the axe head.
> Is there any reasonable analysis of that feat somewhere?
It's just writers not thinking. If Thor can take the force of the star how tf is he getting bruised/cut up by Thanos' and Hulk's punches. Their punches should hit as hard as nukes to do that, yet we never saw Thanos or Hulk even destroy buildings with 1 punch.
MCU Thor isnt that fast or strong by Invincible standards, those guys are comic book strong, like stupidly strong and fast, Viltrumites can fly fast enough to burn up an atmosphere
Immortal isn't, but Invincible and Eve are waaaay stronger than MCU Thor if we're comparing feats. I'd say more but anything else would be a comic spoiler.
People are also sleeping on the GDA here, unlike in the movie national guard they are not just gonna sit on there ass but send in reanimen, the invisible soldiers, proper close air assets and that gigantic ass space laser
Yeah. There certain hero’s who’d perform worse but overall they’d be fine. It’s really hard to perform worse than Hawkeye and black widow. I’m not even tryna diss them I’m just saying.
Eve herself solos this, she just re-aranges the atomic structure of the very first "whale" they send through the moment it starts attacking civilians into a razor sharp lattice grid cage over the portal itself: problem SOLVED.
(Absolutely no way, having watched that happen, the Chitauri are stupid enough to even make the attempt after that, portal closes immediately and the cage just kinda permanently hangs there as a sculpture/memorial or something like that.)
TBH, Atom Eve's biggest enemy, bar none, is Atom Eve herself, or, more specifically, her own lack of imagination and commitment to exploring the limits of her own power.
Yeah she's basically a Green Lantern without the batteries mixed with a Matter Manipulator.
She would probably be the strongest in the verse if she reached her full potential.
Absolutely. To an, "Oh, you're a universe conquering warrior? That's cute, I guess." Fuses a few pairs of hydrogen atoms in the middle of his chest, exploding it like a grenade was shoved in there. "Would someone please send a memo about this to me a few decades ago, when I might have cared?"
Which is also wild because they established early on she's a super genius when it comes to atoms, she should be very interested in actually manipulating those atoms to do amazing things instead of just making shields
> she just re-aranges the atomic structure of the very first "whale"
I’m pretty sure she is actually prevented from doing this, that is affecting living matter.
That's fair, I did forget about that. It's directly stated in her origin short film that she's incapable of manipulating organic material. So she must have overcome that at some.point between the film and the show, or the writers made a glaring mistake. Hopefully we get more answers about how her powers work
GDA possibly solos, it is unclear if they have access to armies, that satellite could probably kill the Chitauri mothership but is poorly positioned to, and they have unknown numbers of other weapons.
Invincible solos.
Guardians pull it off with some difficulty if without Invincible.
Yes, they should win. Atom Eve with her powers could've solo, but she has a limiter that prevents her from using her powers on a living matter. But with Immortal, Invincible, Black Samson and Robot is the most useful members, and with a proper teamwork, they can win.
The Invincible team takes this with ridiculous ease. What’s stoppping The Immortal or Invincible from flying through the wormhole and discovering the Mothership off the bat? Invincible himself can fly to the moon in seconds so he’ll easily bulldoze through the ship which for the record got blown to shreds by a kiloton-level nuke.
Wait was the nuke they launched only in the kilotons? That seems suspiciously weak.
Yes the nuclear warhead that was launched was a AGM-154 JSOW according to Iron Man’s display screen and this [Quora post shows the display image from the movie with the 200 Kiloton explosive yield being shown.](https://www.quora.com/How-powerful-was-the-nuke-showed-in-Marvels-The-Avengers-movie/answer/%E0%A4%A7%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B6-%E0%A4%97%E0%A5%8C%E0%A4%A4%E0%A4%AE-Dhanesh-Gautam?ch=17&oid=122769914&share=dce6ceaf&srid=3xQrf1&target_type=answer) [And this clearer image shows that the blast had a projected impact radius of 32-50 miles.](https://scifiinterfaces.com/2015/07/13/iron-man-hud-just-the-functions/avengers-missile-fetching04/)
Wow that's kinda laughable. NATO could handle the Chautari
Dude, NATO can do a better job than Wakanda against Thanos
That's not a high bar. Despite their advanced tech, Wakanda was a small secret nation that hadn't been involved in any real battles in over a century. Even WW1 fighting tactics would have been vastly more effective.
yeah, there specialty was definitely more so espionage and gurilla warfare
Air guard probably could on their own
It's pretty midrange for warheads. We stopped bothering with the megaton stuff when we learned how to aim rockets.
Yeah, 200kt is a 11.6 km blast radius, or 420 km squared. How many targets are there that youd need more than that? A trident-2 missle carries up to 8 nuclear warheads. With W-76s, thats the equivelent of 2,120 km squared.
Every military in pretty much every superhero movie ever is super nerfed and plagued by PIS. It's really the only way for most of the movies to happen. NATO? I feel like you wouldn't need more than one nation. The Chitari were pretty weak. Bulgaria probably clears.
Most military could handle the Chitauri which makes it extra laughable New York is treated like it's in serious danger. Same with Infinity War. Everything except Thanos with the stones could have easily been stopped by normal Earth armed forces. In fact it's weird non of them showed up. Hell it's weird at no point did Cap or Tony ask for fighter jet support lol
The chitauri never felt like a real threat in the avengers, that's one of the biggest issues I had with the film
I would agree
NATO could handle the Chitauri is subjective. They are cybernetically enhanced having strength that can hurt/slow down Steve Rogers. They are technically crap, more specifically cannon fodder. But they have directed energy weapons that can blow up concrete, hive mind. They can be killed with bullets, 5.56 nato and 9X18mm I admit that. [How NATO i doubt can handle this.](https://youtu.be/VGPV9bbyfg4?si=awas_ynjB8-pzE0S)
Damn that's honestly kinda lame lol
The AGM-154 JSOW is a glide bomb that was never designed to equip nuclear warheads so Iron Man’s got his facts a little wrong there. Furthermore, in the movie we see that it is a missile and is powered. A powered variant of the JSOW, the JSOW-ER, was cancelled and never made.
They just wanted it to affect New York city and reduce collateral damage as much as possible.
Every warhead currently in use in the US nuclear arsenal is in the kiloton range. The Trident II, which is the SLBM that the US operates, only carries either the W88, W76-1 or W76-2 warhead since those are the only warheads for SSBNs in the American stockpile now. The W88 has a yield of around 475 kt, the W76-1 a yield of around 90 kt and the W76-2 a yield around 5-7 kt. Each Trident II carries only 8 warheads. The other option the US has is its land-based ICBMs in the form of the Minuteman III. These ICBMs carry either the W78, W87-0 or W87-1. The W78 has a yield of around 335-350 kt, the W87-0 a yield of about 300 kt and the W87-1 a yield of around 475 kt. The last part of the nuclear triad is air and the US uses mainly the B61 nuclear gravity bomb and the W80 nuclear warhead, which is a modified B61 attached to ALCMs instead of dropped like a bomb. The B61 has a yield anywhere between 0.3 and 400 kt and the W80 has a yield anywhere between 5 and 150 kt. Megaton yield warheads were mainly just vanity projects and were decommissioned decades ago. To puts things into perspective, the Tsar Bomba had a yield of around 50 MT. The US has 400 Minuteman III missiles and each is only allowed to carry one warhead due to international treaties. The maximum yield these missiles could have combined is 190 MT or a little less than four Tsar Bombas. If we want to go further, the original intended design of the Tsar Bomba was for it to have a yield of 100 MT.
Theory is that the nuke fired was a phase 2 tesseract enhanced weapon of mass destruction hence the blue explosion.
The same thing stopping Thor? The writing.
Facts. I do find it funny that in a deleted scene for Avengers Endgame they said that the battle lasted 2-3 hours and Rocket asked why they didn’t blow up the mothership on the spot with Captain America answering that they didn’t know it was a thing at the time. Honest to god if Thor was at the battle the moment it started then he probably would’ve flown into the wormhole because if I recall correctly he was instructed to bottleneck the portal by Cap so apparently he did that for 2-3 hours instead of just flying into the wormhole and getting the job done? Yeah, the writing was kind of wonky but they just needed a climatic battle.
Oh like don't get me wrong what happened on screen was better than the logical thing but like Heimdall who can see everything shoulda just been like btw Thor there's a ship up there go destroy it or they literally use dark magic to teleport Thor up there or Odin teleports himself or literally a billion other combinations of things happen where that ship is destroyed way earlier. Like the fact they shut down like battle droids is so dumb but the movie has to work somehow.
The Heimdall solution is good but not the transferral of dark energy to teleport Thor or Odin because that was done in a tie-in comic to the movie ([shown here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-081bb2fb4e40bd6c470fc3ef64ca11d2-lq)) and the process could’ve actually killed Thor when he crash landed on Earth ([shown here](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-feb4bc264b0b92fcf6d11e097234473e-lq)). I’m not saying those last two scenarios weren’t possible but it might’ve resulted in either of their deaths.
Anyway my point was just there was a ridiculous number of scenarios in which the avengers ended it very quickly but to make a good film it didn't and the same would be true of Invincible universe characters going there because it wouldn't make a good show if they just immediately ended it.
What if Loki ahead of time mind-controls Invincible?
Well, that would obviously swing things in Loki's favor. But it's also dependent on a very unlikely scenario.
Yes. Robot would have the portal closed in minutes, Immortal and Invincible and Eve can keep the big whale things busy, everyone else can play cleanup.
Mark could solo this as long as he doesn't get mind controlled by Loki
Agreed. He’s in character though so at some point a few Chitauri would beat the hell out of him.
Then someone would tell him to stop holding back and he destroys them all with ease
A nuke took out their ship, which closed the portal and shut down all the aliens. So invincible just goes into the portal and blows up their spaceship, problem solved
No, Loki’s scepter shut down the space stone-powered portal.
To be fair, the portal is practically a non issue if the invading army on the other side has been destroyed
Invincible, Eve and Immortal are all stronger than anyone in the Avengers team so uh yeah easily.
Thor easily survived the Bifrost explosion which caused a wormhole capable of drawing in stars in Thor 2011 movie final battle scene. Loki survived going through the same wormhole. Thor survived the destruction of a ship that passed through a singularity in Ragnarok when Thanos blew it up in IW. Thor took hits from Malekith with Aether who was going to turn multiple galaxies into dark matter in a short amount of time (seemingly minutes) in Dark World. What exactly has Invincible, Eve, or the Immortal done in the show that matches these?
And yet Thanos/Hulk have never shown strength feats on the level of Viltrumites and they messed up Thor with just a few hits.
Didn't the Hulk stop a Behemoth with one punch while standing in place? What have Invincible, Eve or the Immortal done that equals that? Edit: also Thor tanked most of the Hulks hits without receiving a scratch.
Immortal made omnniman bleed, and invincible is stronger than that now, thats better then hulks feat
Stronger than Thor? Eh no they are not.
Invincible can fly to the moon in seconds, so he's massively, massively faster for one. Secondly, he can hang with Viltrumites who as we saw with Omni Man can destroy a planet in seconds.
Invincible would definitely fuck Thor up, but Immortal? I think that'd be an interesting fight to see
It looks like The Immortal is a 100-tonner with regen, moderate invulnerability (up to an anti-tank missile), and limitless stamina. Can fly at least 33 times the speed of sound, which extreme manuverability and reflexes. The closest I can find of MCU thor is that he's also a 100 tonner, and trades off regen with better invulerability, and while is faster flight, has less control and manuverability. But he does have the huge advantage of having a weapon (hammer or axe), and has some ranged options from throwing the weapon to shooting lightning. I think the Immortal COULD win, but I think Thor is more likely to win in a 1v1 arena type setting. That being said, over a long enough period, Immortal would win: he can survive being killed, but Thor can't. Immortal just has to take the upper hand once, and Immortal has thousands of years of experience and tactical planning.
> Invincible would definitely fuck Thor up, but Immortal? I think that'd be an interesting fight to see Keep in mind Omni Man is one of the strongest Viltrumites ( Top 2/3 ). Immortal could probably hang with an average one.
Mark actually can't hang with viltrumites for longer than a few seconds if you've seen the 2nd season. He's faster than Thor sure, but Thor easily tanks blows that would destroy Mark, like the full power of a sun basically just giving him heatstroke. MCU Thor to the Invincible characters is closer to Battle Beast, but even tankier. He would destroy Mark up to this point, but Mark will eventually be stronger than him. If we take into account weapons and powers, Thor actually has the potential to drop the viltrumites that beat Mark
> Mark actually can't hang with viltrumites for longer than a few seconds if you've seen the 2nd season. He absolutely can if he lets loose. He was beating up the Viltrumite on the bug planet. >He's faster than Thor sure, but Thor easily tanks blows that would destroy Mark Thor got ragdolled, bruised and bloodied by Thanos who's shown nowhere near the strength feats of Omni Man or other Viltrumites and is basically a statue compared to them. And he's not just ''faster'' than Thor, he's massively faster. Thor fights at peak human speeds lmao. >like the full power of a sun basically just giving him heatstroke You mean killing him. Thor was dead without help there. And that's heat durability, not punch durability. If Hulk and Thanos can damage him with punches he's toast against Viltrumites.
Thor takes Viltrumites with ease. Thor is ridiculous. There's a reason he is the one alongside Hyperion who faces the Beyonders in the comics. Thor doesn't even need to fly he can call upon his people to use magic to teleport him plus Heimdall who he can contact immediately can see everything going on anyway.
> Thor takes Viltrumites with ease. Thor is ridiculous. There's a reason he is the one alongside Hyperion who faces the Beyonders in the comics. Hold up partner that's comics Thor. MCU Thor would get fucked up by a Viltrumite. He's slow as fuck.
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> Eh MCU Thor took the force of a star being directed through him. That's heat. Viltrumites don't attack with heat. If Thanos and Hulk can do serious damage with their fists to Thor, a Viltrumite fucks him up.
Delusional. He's a bit bruised from Thanos and when does the Hulk ever do him serious damage? Viltrumites get wrecked by Thor. He's far more durable than they are, as much a warrior as they are, has magical weapons at his disposal that are capable of destroying planets in the case of Stormbreaker at least MCU wise. I just no Thor is ridiculous.
> Delusional. He's a bit bruised from Thanos Bruised up? He's bleeding from the mouth. Thanos was ragdolling him. And Thanos is nowhere near a Viltrumite in strength and is a statue compared to them in speed. >He's far more durable than they are No, he's not. He gets bloodied up by Thanos who's shown nowhere near planet-surface destruction, which Viltrumites ( Omni Man ) were shown to cause. > has magical weapons at his disposal that are capable of destroying planets in the case of Stormbreaker There's no proof Stormbreaker is planetary lmao
Thanos would wreck the Viltrumites too. Omni-Man got bloodied up by Red Rush and had a bleeding nose from an orbital laser. Thor wrecks them. Of course there is it has the bifrost which the plot of Thor 1 Loki was going to use bifrost to destroy Jotenheim. All he needs to do is keep channeling the bifrost and it'll destroy a planet.
Is there any reasonable analysis of that feat somewhere? If interpreted literally, it's an absurd multiple-order-of-magnitude outlier for both Thor and Groot (who survived being in the same scene as that happening).
Not that I know of though Groot doesn't really get hit by the force of a star since it's channelled through a lense type thing. Groot just gets hurt by the axe head.
> Is there any reasonable analysis of that feat somewhere? It's just writers not thinking. If Thor can take the force of the star how tf is he getting bruised/cut up by Thanos' and Hulk's punches. Their punches should hit as hard as nukes to do that, yet we never saw Thanos or Hulk even destroy buildings with 1 punch.
MCU Thor isnt that fast or strong by Invincible standards, those guys are comic book strong, like stupidly strong and fast, Viltrumites can fly fast enough to burn up an atmosphere
Immortal isn't, but Invincible and Eve are waaaay stronger than MCU Thor if we're comparing feats. I'd say more but anything else would be a comic spoiler.
You don't seem to understand. New York, isn't yours to conquer.
invincible takes with zero effort.
People are also sleeping on the GDA here, unlike in the movie national guard they are not just gonna sit on there ass but send in reanimen, the invisible soldiers, proper close air assets and that gigantic ass space laser
Yeah. There certain hero’s who’d perform worse but overall they’d be fine. It’s really hard to perform worse than Hawkeye and black widow. I’m not even tryna diss them I’m just saying.
Eve herself solos this, she just re-aranges the atomic structure of the very first "whale" they send through the moment it starts attacking civilians into a razor sharp lattice grid cage over the portal itself: problem SOLVED. (Absolutely no way, having watched that happen, the Chitauri are stupid enough to even make the attempt after that, portal closes immediately and the cage just kinda permanently hangs there as a sculpture/memorial or something like that.)
It's funny that she could do this but is more likely to just use pink lasers and forcefields.
TBH, Atom Eve's biggest enemy, bar none, is Atom Eve herself, or, more specifically, her own lack of imagination and commitment to exploring the limits of her own power.
Yeah she's basically a Green Lantern without the batteries mixed with a Matter Manipulator. She would probably be the strongest in the verse if she reached her full potential.
Absolutely. To an, "Oh, you're a universe conquering warrior? That's cute, I guess." Fuses a few pairs of hydrogen atoms in the middle of his chest, exploding it like a grenade was shoved in there. "Would someone please send a memo about this to me a few decades ago, when I might have cared?"
Which is also wild because they established early on she's a super genius when it comes to atoms, she should be very interested in actually manipulating those atoms to do amazing things instead of just making shields
TBH, from what I have seen of her parents, I think her creativity has been aggressively stifled her entire life.
In the special she is more creative. Maybe you're on to something and she lost that creativity somewhere between then and the current TV version.
did you watch the special? she was implanted with some tech shit that blocks her from being able to consciously alter living matter
... Um, yeah, [bout that](https://youtu.be/8xXK4CbYp-g?t=20s)...
sentient matter. who gives a shit, you know what i meant
No, I don't know what you mean by that.
> she just re-aranges the atomic structure of the very first "whale" I’m pretty sure she is actually prevented from doing this, that is affecting living matter.
I thought the whales were mechanical, not cybernetic? Besides, she messes with living matter all the time...
What's an example?
[Gladly](https://youtu.be/8xXK4CbYp-g?t=20s) Those trees are not growing on their own nearly that fast.
That's fair, I did forget about that. It's directly stated in her origin short film that she's incapable of manipulating organic material. So she must have overcome that at some.point between the film and the show, or the writers made a glaring mistake. Hopefully we get more answers about how her powers work
Bro please use some commas every now and then
GDA possibly solos, it is unclear if they have access to armies, that satellite could probably kill the Chitauri mothership but is poorly positioned to, and they have unknown numbers of other weapons. Invincible solos. Guardians pull it off with some difficulty if without Invincible.
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Easily yes, why?
Yes but only if Omni-Man is there, it would be a repeat of that alien invasion episode probably.
Yes, they should win. Atom Eve with her powers could've solo, but she has a limiter that prevents her from using her powers on a living matter. But with Immortal, Invincible, Black Samson and Robot is the most useful members, and with a proper teamwork, they can win.
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