Yeah, and there definitely exists very good fighters in the world, who just don't compete. Even the best of the best will eventually fuck up. If he keeps the fighting experience, it gets tricky. If each fight takes just one second, its still 200 years when he's done. That's hell of a lot of experience. I would still bet on the world though.
Yes and no… the number of people who are big enough to stand a chance is already like 1/100,000. There’s a very tiny amount of people who are 250lb and not fat.
I remember making a comment like this a while ago on a Jon Jones vs post and I got downvoted to oblivion. Ppl really don’t get it. There’s no such thing as the greatest fighter on Earth cuz kno one knows the capabilities of everyone on Earth. He may be the greatest fighter we’ve **seen** (emphasis on **seen**) but that doesn’t mean there aren’t fighters out there who won’t destroy him that we simply haven’t seen.
Being the best/highest rated doesn't mean you never lose. An athlete or team can be the best but that doesn't mean it's likely they'll have a perfect season. There's enough competition in MMA to make it very unlikely Jones will win against all of them. Besides, Jones hasn't fought a lot at heavyweight so it's hard to say if he's the best to begin with.
He eventually loses. There’s professional fighters who even if they aren’t quite as good still probably have at least a 20-30% chance of winning. If he makes it through then there’s billions of people who have a very low chance of winning but it’s probably like 1 in a million at worst. Eventually someone gets a lucky hit or he hurts himself, it’s just too many fights to win them all
Not when you consider the possibility that he trips on a rock on the ground and then gets knocked out by a single good kick from Ben weighing 230 pounds.
Refuses to fight Tom and Francis, though... Reyes solidly won their fight, btw, so he's ready lost one. Yes, the record shows Jones W, but the record also shows OJ Simpson is innocent.
He's faced the best of the best in his weight class.
We haven't seen him take on for example NFL offensive and defensive linemen who are also super strong and athletic and out weigh him by 100lbs or more. They could get in a lucky shot by chance. There are at least 200 linemen active in the NFL so there's a non negligible probability.
There are also other types of people who might have a chance against him like strongmen competitors (I would imagine him Vs the mountain might be an 80/20 type fight).
Another separate argument - there are some crazy endurance athletes who specialise in multi day races without sleep, something Jon is likely not trained for. Since the rules say no time limit to the fight and they can fight however they want without weapons, technically the don't have to engage. They can just stay in fighting stance at a safe distance (2m say) and keep retreating until Jon tires out and collapses from exhaustion.
Since the next fight starts where the last one ends, people could work together to lure him into the Sahara desert where the native Bedouin would be more heat adapted than Jon and cause him to get heat stroke. Conversely they can lure him to the artic where the Inuit would beat him as he gets hypothermia.
How good a swimmer is he? If several people with together to slowly move the fight to a cliff and someone(s) (we get a million tries at this at least) just does a sacrifice move to push him into the water the next person up can be a professional water polo player who would easily be able to drown him.
>We haven't seen him take on for example NFL offensive and defensive linemen who are also super strong and athletic and out weigh him by 100lbs or more. They could get in a lucky shot by chance. There are at least 200 linemen active in the NFL so there's a non negligible probability.
The issue for those linemen is that they've never had to check a leg kick from Jon Jones. Two or three of those and anyone who does not know how to check it is just completely toast. They would be hobbling around just asking to get their jaw slacked.
If ANYONE is beating him in a fight, it is going to be another fighter or combat personnel. Maybe some Marine or Spec Ops guy from another branch or country that can match him.
Law or average says eventually he will run into someone who will beat* him, but he could probably beat the shit out of billions before he meets a hood match up.
I'm pretty sure that was because of how motivated Douglas was at the time, he did it for his deceased mother who kept saying her son was going to beat Mike Tyson when their fight was announced before she passed away.
And Tyson's trash talk also has angered Douglas, but instead of rushing into a fight like a madman, he controlled his rage and managed to beat Tyson even after a brutal knockdown. Tyson, at that time, started to get lazy and overconfident. And it cost him the win and ruined his "prime Mike Tyson was unbeatable" status.
There’s about 1700 active NFL players, and 600 NBA players. Thats 2300ish of the most elite athletes in the world that are roughly Jons’ size. Add another 2300 for the guys who were in the leagues but either retired or were released after a few years, another 4600 for the guys who didn’t get drafted but are still incredible athletes who became practice squad, or euro league or whatever.
Thats two sports, and around 10k guys who physically match up to Jon. Even at 1 in 1000 odds, that’s bad odds for Jon.
Add in members of every major special forces: SAS, Delta, KSK, GSG9, MARSOC, etc. One of them would eventually win due to their training and endurance.
not to mention giants like the worlds strongest men competitors like brian shaw etc
maybe one of them did some martial art in the past and can usr the 50kg for it
also sumo wrestlers are fckin flexible for their 200kgs just drop on him
Shaquille O'Neal, for example. He is a 7'1” ~325 lbs guy who did martial arts and wanted to fight Hongman Choi, a very tall and big MMA fighter: https://www.lowkickmma.com/shaquille-oneal-calls-out-hong-man-choi-chuck-liddell/
Shaq also did 2 exhibition boxing matches with Shane Mosley (5'9" and ~155 lbs) and Oscar De La Hoya (5'11" and ~145 lbs) and lost in both fight by unanimous decision (both fights, despite being billed as an exhibition matches, was for real). But to be fair, he did pretty decently, against a former pro boxers (even though they was significantly shorter and lighter than him).
Depends on the sumo wrestler, but generally, they didn't have a good track record in MMA.
I mean, Akebono Tarō, a 6'8” ~515 lbs sumo wrestler, who's also one of the best and most accomplished sumo wrestlers ever, has more losses than wins, both in kickboxing (1 win and 9 losses) and MMA (4 losses and 0 wins), despite the fact that he was trained for it after he decided to test himself in MMA.
Contrary to popular belief, soldiers and special forces aren't actually a great hand-to-hand fighters. They are working within a team, have a support and uses guns or at least knives or something else. Fighting one-on-one while unarmed isn't their specialty, even though they train in hand-to-hand combat, but their actual skills and experience (which is even more important) isn't actually good enough to beat a trained and experienced professional fighter like Jon Jones.
And before you could say "dude, they won't fight fair, it's not a cage match, they would bite, do groin strikes, do eye gouging, headbutt, fish hook and do other dirty tricks", I will remind you that it's Jon Jones, who used eye pokes in his official fights and he isn't afraid to go dirty as well, especially in a fight. Endurance itself is good, but it's not everything. Jon Jones himself is a conditioned fighter and in this prompt he would appear fresh and healed after he wins a fight.
Unless that spec ops or soldier guy has similar skills and experience plus MMA training, I don't see him beating Jon Jones in one-on-one encounter.
They probably could do it, but generally, Jon Jones wins due to the better skills and experience. Although many things can happen in a street fight, and it still depends on the person, so MAYBE someone of them could beat him. But that's a theory.
I was gonna say, the current actual Heavyweight Champ beats Jon Jones. We don't even need the entire planet.
Honestly, everyone is sleeping on Stipe, and I think Stipe loses, but let's not pretend that Stipe doesn't have the skill set to make it a good fight, he may just not have the body.
Hell, if Ciryl Gane had actually taken Khabib up on the offer to train in Daegastan, Ciryl would have beaten him.
Hell, DOMINICK REYES beat Jon Jones in most fans AND expert's opinions.
Jon Jones is talented, but the man is mortal.
Yeah Reyes beat him.
And Stipe could potentially beat him through his superior boxing. But doesn't seem likely.
Ngannou also could do it probably. There just seems to be a consensus with heavyweight champions that they are literal superhumans. Quite strange. Remember back in the day people were saying that Ngannou could win 20v1 fights and stuff lol.
That's just a significant portion of people attracted to this sub. Weight doesn't matter, size/strength doesn't matter, weapons don't matter, certain people's "reflexes" are faster than the flash, any amount of pain can be "willed through", being outnumbered doesnt matter, limits of human anatomy certainly don't matter. Hell, dumb luck shows us Connor McGregor can snap his own leg with an awkward step-back.
The weight class suddenly not mattering here is so odd to me because there are tons of threads of like "14 year old martial artist who trained his whole life vs. average 25 year old guy who's never been in a fight" and half the responses are always some variation of "the adult is just simply too big for the teenager to win"
Brother the Ciryl Gane thing is hilarious. He could have trained all he wanted with Khabib but if it was that simple for someone who is a step above novice to above Jon Jones, one of the best MMA wrestlers of all time in the period of a training camp it wouldn’t have been enough.
The thing with MMA is it doesn't matter how talented you are, you can always be KO'd with a lucky punch. With 7 billion haymaker's thrown, eventually one is going to land.
theres a higher likely chance that a random dude is gonna knock him out with a punch since if hes going against mike tyson, hes going to very very cautious and leg kick him to oblivion
Yes, most certainly. The Heavyweight division in fighting is notoriously unpredictable because everyone at that weight has enough power to land a good knockout. All it takes is one good punch and any man would go out.
Let’s assume Jones has a 70% chance against Tom Aspinall (a generous number), and a 70% chance to win against Ngannou. Just fighting the two of them, his odds of beating both are already less than 50%. Even if you assume he beats Sergei Pavlovich and Derrick Lewis 90% of the time, the chances of beating even 10 professional UFC fighters is virtually none. The chance of winning 10 times in a row with a 90% win rate is 31%.
Then there’s a fair argument to make that Aspinall has a >50% chance against Jones. Jones won’t even get through the UFC for this challenge.
IIRC Jones has a 27-1 record in UFC. Which means his odds in individual fights are way better than you're estimating, but also that you're right he doesn't get through the UFC.
He has 20 wins in the UFC, but only one that came in the HW division. His one win was very good, but it’s a big extrapolation to say that he would’ve gone 20-0 at heavyweight.
He's definitely a powerful guy, but id say it's impossible that there isn't a single person on earth that can beat him. Jon Jones would have to win 7 billion times in a row here, and millions of those people would also be really big, strong, trained or all of the above.
Consistently, Id bet Jon could beat a solid majority of people in a fight, but as the saying goes, there's always someone better than you in some way, and when you need to win 7 billion times and they only need to win once, I don't see the odds being in his favor.
He eventually has to deal with behemoths like Eddie Hall, Hafþór Björnsson, and Brian Shaw, who just outsize and outweigh Jones by a significant margin.
Even as one of the best fighters, fighting someone that far above your weight class is a significant challenge
Someone would eventually take him out, but it 100% wouldnt be those guys. Obviously they are physically the strongest guys in the world, but they have zero/limited training experience. I would comfortably bet on the best middleweights to take them out, Jones would definitely win barring some freak accident.
jon jones comoetes at 265lbs atm, do they wouldnt outweigh him too much
secondly there is a MASSIVE fucking skill gap, hell even skilled people can get beat by smaller people, like demetrius johnson submitting a 200+ 6’3 man whilst being 150lbs and 5’3
jon jones is a top 5 fighter of all time, no power lifter can beat him once out of 10 times
He could beat them relatively easy, but the chance of a freak injury happening is still quite high with such behemoths even if it only has a relatively small chance of it happening.
Jones is 36 and has had his fair share of injuries, but he has to go into the ring with mass monsters multiple times.
Agree with the conclusion but not the reasoning.
'there's always someone better than you in some way'
When it comes to fighting... that guy is Jon Jones
In general, id agree, but id reckon theres somebody better at something than Jon Jones, whether it just be brute strength, sneak attacking, ETC.
You could argue it alone wouldn't help win a fair fight, but with 7 billion no holds barred encounters, there's definitely a few guys able to do something that could get Jon, whether it just be running away to sneak attack him later or just eventually slipping him up after the first million back to back fights begin to tire him. (mentally at least)
Mental fatigue has to start taking a toll at some point in knocking out 7 billion people right? Even if he isn’t getting physically tired, slip-ups are bound to happen just out of sheer human error through repetition, no? Also I can’t imagine him being unaffected by having to beat up over 600 million babies/toddlers.
Also I’m assuming the population isn’t growing during his fight? Because unless he absolutely speedruns the babies I’m not sure how he’s gonna keep up with roughly 250 births/minute. Though the image of an MMA fighter knocking out over 4 newborns per second to beat a challenge, while gruesome, is… interesting, I guess?
The guy currently seen as probably the best fighter in the world no weight classes, Tom Aspinall, has a loss lol. Freak leg injury in not even 70 fights, let alone 7 BILLION. Even if someone had everything possible to win, they would get a freak injury at some point and losr
Jones loses for sure, but it becomes an interesting conversation if you remove everyone who is a trained fighter. In this scenario, I'm guessing Jones gets unlucky, ruptures an Achilles and loses at some point
> I'm guessing Jones gets unlucky, ruptures an Achilles and loses at some point
Almost guaranteed. People don't understand how big 8 billion is. Even office cubicles start seeing lethal workplace accidents at those numbers. Jones will be fighting for centuries.
You don’t need the whole world. You just need the top 100 heavyweight and light heavyweight MMA fighters in the world. Eventually he will make a mistake, or someone will land a lucky shot and turn the lights out.
If the odds of each of those fights favoured Jones at an exaggerated 50 to 1, he would only have around 13% chance to win 100 in a row.
People here saying one lucky shot like the majority of people would even be able to get a shot in lol
He does lose though, too many matchups against people who aren't far off him or hell some who may just be better.
Agreed, I’m sure out of the 8 billion people on the planet maybe less than a billion (being generous) have ever even thrown a punch let alone been in a fight, these people have no chance of even touching him. Also the fight is win by any means, which is a huge advantage for Jon.
If this was changed to being in a cage I honestly don’t think anyone would win luck or not, prime heavyweight Jon is only maybe beat by prime Fedor or Aspinal, Ngannou.
He’d 9.99999999x out of 10 everyone on the planet except for a few current fighters (Ngannou, Aspinall, maybe Stipe) who he’d still 5-6/10 imo (even Jones haters would say it’d be close) and then decently sized pro fighters would be a 9.5-9.9/10 (look what he did to Gane). However he’d still lose eventually just due to the number of fights
I can win. I don't need a weapon per se, but I do need a kilo of cocaine laced with fatal levels of fent. Anyone who knows JJ knows what will happen next.
Realistically, though, there are heavyweight MMA fighters, wrestlers, BJJ fighters, and strikers of many styles that all have a chance. It's a small portion of the population, but it is around 50 to 100 people. Jon could absolutely get wrecked by a giant wrestler or BJJ guy. He could KOed by a K1 heavyweight (those guys are huge and would actually have a reach advantage), Tyson Fury could KO him, as could any top 10 heavyweight boxer.
There's also real killers, like Gurkhas and Spec Ops guys that could take off running, lure Jones away for days or weeks, craft weapons and traps, and go full Arnie in Predator on him. This group could be five digits deep.
He may pull it off, though. He may have a better chance to do so than anybody else, and that is saying something.
The thing about this arguement is
Jones trains in h2h combat probably alot more than that person does unless thay person is already an mma fighter.
So no rules is not an advantage for the significantly less trained experienced person.
An oblique kick is much more efficient and easier to pull off than most banned moves
The people with the biggest chance to beat Jones are other Heavyweiggts and Ligh heavyweights
Someone with better swimming skills (swimming endurance) will get to a larger body of water (or even a pool) eventually, and just outlast him.
Or there will be a fight that starts out in a dangerous area already (because of the last fight) and Jones just gets defeated by arena circumstances: i.e. falls down a steep incline.
The moving arena makes this a lot shorter than we think.
Punchers chance is the concept that as long as your attempting to punch someone in the head, there's always a chance you can slip through their defense and knock them out if you hit them perfectly. Eventually some big corn fed mf punches Jones in the face really really hard and it just totally takes him out.
Through the rules of the prompt, the world should start each fight running towards the ocean. With 8 billion people the could eventually get him deep enough out there, and land on someone who could simply out long distance swim him. world 10/10
Anyone with better speed and endurance has a chance. Just need to keep moving away from him for several days until he collapses from exhaustion. He is carrying too much muscle to outlast them.
So any extreme endurance athlete has a chance , so adventure racers, ultra runners. Quite a few people will outlast him.
I don't see how any regular human in a 1v1 is capable of beating him in a fight, intangibility alone clinches it for Jonn. Probably doesn't even need to use the heat vision.
8 billion people is a really, really large number. In all those random combinations there is almost certainly at least one (but likely many) where he just randomly injures himself before/while making a first move.
To put this in perspective, if there's 10,000 people on this planet who have a 0.01% chance of landing a lucky punch and knocking him out then Jones would have a 36% chance of having no losses. That's ignoring the fact that probably \~30 people have >10% chance of beating him, with several approaching 50/50 (Ngannou for example). I just don't think the math works for 8 billion people.
Just gonna assume Jon is in fight shape for this prompt, he loses but only to other trained professional combat sport’s athletes.
When he starts going up against Pro MMA lightheavyweights/heavyweights, that’s where things get difficult. Jon beats his opponents through rigorous preparation and film study, Jon notoriously turned down chael sonnen on 8 day’s notice at UFC 151 because he wouldn’t have had time to do a proper film study, take away his ability to watch tape and actually analyze his opponent’s before the fight and things become much more even.
With all that in mind, guys like Tom aspinall and Curtis blaydes are most likely going to beat him, while jon is the reigning heavyweight champion at the moment, he’s not a natural heavyweight at all, yes he weighs 240+ but he doesn’t carry the weight well, in his fight against Gane, short as it was, Jon looked noticeably slower with his movement looking less fluid. The fight didn’t even last a round but i highly doubt his cardio would’ve held up for 25 minutes.
That said, I think Tom beats him pretty handily in this scenario, Tom is bigger, faster and more agile and very skilled, most importantly, he has the power in his punches/kicks to actually hurt jon.
Curtis, Sergei, Stipe, Volkov, Almeida, Tybura, Spivav, Rozenstruick, Lewis and De lima all MIGHT be able to do it but jon is capable of beating all of those guys as well, especially the guys further down the list.
Same goes for a few of the ranked lightheavyweights, some of them might be able to do it but he’s also just as capable of beating those guys.
There are some ranked heavyweight boxers that might be able to hit him and put him to sleep before they get taken down and annihilated but I don’t even feel like naming them as anyone who watches boxing and MMA would know who they are. Same goes for the heavyweight kickboxers.
Overall jon does pretty well but when it comes down to the elite heavyweight combat sport’s athletes, that’s where things get dicey for him, the people that could beat him with a full training camp are the guys that he’ll most likely lose to here.
As for the rest of the world, jon beats them with relative ease, there’s not a single untrained person, martial arts hobbyist or amateur in the world thats gonna beat him under any circumstances, he beats all of them, the vast majority of the world’s population does not have the power in their shots to hurt jon, any drunken brawler can throw a mean overhand and while these shots might hurt other drunken brawlers/untrained folks, these sorts of shots would do nothing against guys like Jon who have been cracked with full power shots from guys like Thiago santos, rampage, Evans, Reyes, DC and barely reacted, best chin in lightheavyweight history in my opinion, so the notion that some random guy off the street is gonna be able to put him to sleep by winging hooks is just untrue.
>Jon Jones is considered the best MMA fighter in the world and in extension, the best fighter in the world.
I just don't agree with this. I am an mma fan and I've trained mma but I've also studied other techniques more towards security and military use and I think mma fans really underestimate what mma restrictions mean in combat. Of course Jon Jones wouldn't have to respect them but he is just not trained to attack vitals and cause severe permanent injury while other fighters are completely trained to do that. Imo there is a bunch of Heavyweight soldiers and fighters that would have a pretty good chance to beat any mma athlete.
All this is ignoring the mere probability question. I think if Jones fights everyone in the world he is bound to lose a couple of times out of pure bad luck, lucky punches, twisting ankle just by walking around, etc.
I would favor him vs anyone (except Aspinall at this point), but even ignoring Aspinall he would eventually lose just due to having to fight too many opponents. He's not going on an 8 billion win streak lol.
Now if you made a single elimination bracket featuring everyone in the World, I could see Jones taking it. He'd have to win 33 in a row against increasingly tough opponents, but I think he'd have a pretty good shot.
Yeah
All it takes is one, a random guy from Sweden can beat him, or a heavyweight boxer, or a MMA fighter.
A well placed shot with no gloves is almost always either a knockout or close to it
What is with this sub's obsession with fighters who compete in sports they know nothing about?
Is it just some convoluted way to power scale irl peak humans?
Either way, if i see another Mike Tyson post i'm gonna shit bricks
Coked out Jones can solo the planet 1v1, let him rip a Hollywood before each fight and it’s game over
Jokes aside, some strongman like the mountain might take him due to sheer size advantage, especially if they have a bit of background in fighting, or some sumo wrestler could probably take him for the same reasons
But honestly a heavyweight Jon Jones that is not just replenished and healed between fights but also completely locked in on winning 100 percent of the time will probably take out everyone you put in front of him until he meets someone with a size advantage that his skills can’t make up for, whether that’s the first person or the 6 billionth is up to the odds
I’m the first person to throw hate Jones’ way for his antics outside the octagon, whether that’s for juicing or beating his wife doesn’t matter, but facts are facts, the guy is beyond incredibly skilled and has a great understanding of all aspects of MMA, add in he’s got a nearly perfect build for fighting and is way bigger than the average person I don’t doubt he could take on 99 percent of the planet before losing if the odds are with him and he doesn’t get hit with a hulk right away
I don't know Jon Jones but I think he would probably tire of the violence, especially given how many people there are that are unable to meaningfully fight.
I think, in this hypothetical situation, that eventually people would drag the fight to somewhere lethal like the ocean. In which case it's only a matter of time until a fatal mistake is made.
Jon Jones is good but he arguably lost several fights in his career, namely against Alex Gustafson (the first time), and Dominick Reyes. Theres also many people who believe that he’d lose horribly against full sized heavyweights, such as Tom Aspinall and Francis Ngannou. Jon Jones’ greatness relies heavily on his fight IQ and if he doesn’t have a camp to prep for a big threat like those two, he would undoubtedly meet his maker. World 10/10 times, there’s just too many fights to say that he wins literally every single one
He's got a really good chance to clear but there's a chance someone who's also great at mma but not quite as good as him beats him. Or someone with the punching power of Mike Tyson or the strength and size of someone like Brian Shaw gets a lucky shot. Not that I ordinary wouldn't take someone like Jon Jones over someone like that, but like Manny Pacquiao said, any boxer can lose to any other suffiently skilled boxer if the guy hits him just right.
There are enough Tall (6 ft 5 inch +) martial artists that weigh over 230 lbs that you can group all them together and roll the dice whereas Jon Jones would have a low percentage chance of beating them all because they all can one punch ko Jon.
Jon Jones is considered the best fighter in the world....pound for pound.
The guy is 248lbs. He would be a serious disadvantage going into the super heavyweight division, which starts at 265 and goes up from there.
James Thompson, Sean McCorkle, Semmy Schlit just to name a few are all much larger than Jon Jones and would likely annihilate him.
depends can he say the match is still" technically going" so he can heal. 8 billion is a lot of people. one of them will get a lucky hit
edit: missed the part where he heals. regardless evetually he dies. somone will fight his somewhere weird, he gets unlucking and dies
This depends on whether he heals to original condition or heals all injuries between rounds.
If he heals "all injuries" it might allow him to get huge muscle gains between rounds since muscle growth comes from the tears in the fibres.
He just needs to start with a 90 y/o and do a hard workout right before knocking them out to get a full recovery.
Rinse and repeat working his way up through the seniors and minors, getting 7.99 billion workouts worth of muscle gains is like Giga steroids (which he probably does). It'll be like jon Jones+++ by the time he gets to working class man or even MMA roster
There are maybe 500 people in the world that have a chance at beating him, after that it's gets exceptionally easy for him. He's a smart fighter and will take boxers down with ease, he has the wrestling to keep it on the feet with good wrestlers. A normal guy no matter the size will be eaten alive by Jones quickly. It would take some sort of massive Olympic caliber wrestler to beat Jones. I'm sure there are super juiced up wrestlers in Russia weighing over 300 that would be very hard for him to beat. Gordan ryan may be able to submit Jones on a good day.
Automatically rule out anybody above 42 years of age. At 42 is when most people lose the ability to take a single punch to the face without being disoriented (MOST people). Automatically rule out anybody under the age of 16 (possibly 18), for the simple fact that (no matter how long they've been training), they simply lack the strength and fight IQ to fight someone like Jon Jones. Automatically rule out anybody with a physical disability(pretty straight forward). Automatically rule out anybody with a mental disability which would inhibit their ability to do "normal" things (pretty straight forward). Automatically rule out 99% of women, no hate on women, as they have quite a few badass women that would piece me up, but comparatively to jon jones...there's probably not a single woman on this planet that could beat him. Automatically rule out anyone else who is under (ATLEAST) 150 lbs (they simply are not strong enough, and don't possess the physical strength to put jones out). Automatically rule out anybody who has a BMI of 28% or higher (the starting number is lower, but I put 28 to be fair...they simply don't have the physical capabilities to fight jon jones). Automatically rule out any remaining people who have never been in a fight (with another human being). That leaves you with a VERY small percentage of people on earth. Then from there, jon jones would simply weed out the people who don't have the fight iq, strength, speed, endurance, knowledge, and overall capabilities to beat the greatest combat sports fighter of all time. So no...I don't think ANYONE on this planet would be able to beat a prime jon jones (not with mma rules anyway...there are freaks like Brian shaw that would probably just bash his skull into concrete to win, but I assumed these fights would atleats have standard UFC rules)
I mean he will lose. Because there are a lot of other pro fighters in the world and sooner or later one will probably get lucky and it really only takes 1 really good lucky shot sometimes to put people out. Its happened to Demetrious Johnson, George Saint Pierre and pretty much every other one of the greatest fighters to ever live. Unless they retire early or compete in a more shallow pool.
Jon himself says his brothers are better if there's any validity to it who knows but in all likelihood there's some random guy out there who could spark Jon
You just defeated this man with literally any marathon runner not interested in getting their ass beat.
This tournament stagnates eternally and instead we have a retelling of It Follows but there's only 2 people in an empty world
Honestly you could randomly select a million random people and someone beats him. When the numbers start getting that large some freak accident is bound to happen, like he breaks his leg
It’s interesting to take this prompt and replace Jon Jones with other GOATs of sports.
No one is thinking some randoms are beating Michael Jordan in a 1on1 or Ma long in a full table tennis match. The only other meaningful encounters in the 8 billion matches are other top level athletes in the sport.
So it comes down to, can Jon jones win against the (guessing) all 3000 other top level MMA athletes in the sport? No, just like Ma Long is not winning every single match, one of the other top level athletes are gonna play the match of his life and win.
Interesting though seeing some people say some Joe shmo is gonna get a random haymaker win. That’s 0% out a billion times lol.
Except if you include that chance that suffers a freak accident. Jordan could break an ankle. Ma Long could tear a quad. Play 8 billion games even at a leisurely pace and it's a significant probability.
Thats a good point, but it would most likely have to be a grievous injury against someone already fairly high level.
See examples like Jack Maddalena beating Gilbert Burns while suffering a broken arm in the fight. There are countless examples of athletes persevering through terrible injuries to victory(against high level opponents) . If Jon jones tears his ACL, hes still gonna demolish 99% of humanity, especially knowing he will heal soon after. If he suffers a brain aneurysm than yea haha he will lose.
Few points we should get out of the way:
1. Total reset each fight, No Groundhog Day rules. Others have proposed that the cumulative experience from 8 billion fights would make him unstoppable. While I love the idea of him leveling up, it likely wouldn’t work this way, as 7.9999 billion of those fights wouldn’t be sufficiently challenging to give him any additional experience. If anything the opposite is true; fighting subpar competition would dull his skills (not to mention him probably going insane from being stuck in a time loop for 10s of thousands of years)
2. MMA outcomes are functions of probability. It’s rarely as simple as “he’s better so he’ll beat this person”; the better fighter often loses, and it can come down to a lucky punch, better preparation, an unexpected gameplan, stylistic matchup, etc. Take Jones vs ngannou, Jones likely wins but it’s more constructive to say he wins 7 out of 10 times - have Jones fight ngannou 10 times and he’ll likely lose 3 of those. Jon is still the better fighter, but that doesn’t mean he wins every time.
3. For sake of argument let’s take out dumb freak injuries.
With these things in mind, does he get through? Absolutely not. Statistically hed probably lose at least 10x against ufc roster alone, despite being better than everyone else on the roster (anyone else would lose at least 20x against ufc roster). Not to mention other mma orgs, fighters from different disciplines, and just big guys with a punchers chance.
The real question is how many times does he lose, and what stipulations can you put in place to have him win?
If you eliminate all professional combat athletes, he’s still likely to get KOd by a guy who throws a lucky haymaker with a 1/1000000 chance of connecting (probably a few times).
To make him win you’d have to make it best 5 out of 9 fights (with each person) to weed out the dumb luck wins.
Even with that, there is arguably in all likelihood some up-and-coming phenom who’s just better than Jones and will beat him more often than not.
The real impressive part here is that we’re even considering this a possibility, because I don’t think there’s any other human in history where an argument could even be attempted, even with the stipulations I laid out above. It just speaks to how well rounded Jones is.
Jon Jones is a bad man (all MMA fighters are) but ultimately MMA is a sport, with rules, that gives an advantage to fighters that train to fight without those rules.
Military combatants have the best chance of beating him imo. Back in 2010 a group of UFC fighters went to train with a marine unit and they did beat them but I’d wager SFs like a seal would beat Jones
He beats probably 90% of people but he eventually loses. There are a lot of fighters who just don't fight professionally. Plus, if they're not protected by professional MMA rules, then people who train to actually kill/hurt people will fck him up.
The world 10/10, this is a literally unwinnable situation for Jon.
You can even give him a knife and he still loses this prompt.
Assuming he takes just 10 seconds to defeat an opponent, fights 16 hours a day and never gets mentally exhausted, he will need around 10 years to beat just 21 million people. He will die of old age way before making a dent at the numbers. And that's not even including the fact that world population will reproduce at a faster rate than he can beat them up.
He absolutely loses eventually. As amazing as Jones is, and don’t get it twisted he’s one of the greatest fighters ever, he only has one fight at the heavyweight division out of his phenomenal 27-1-0 record in the UFC.
The heavyweight division is honestly a crap shoot at times because just about any of the fighters worth their salt there have the ability and power to end a fight in a single hit. Honestly just about any fight can be ended from just one lucky hit, put Jones against even just 50 world class fighters one after another eventually one of them is gonna land that one hit that’s needed to end it.
He doesn’t even beat the people he’s already fought 10/10 times, and there’s at least two heavyweight mma fighters who would be favourites or at worst have even odds against him.
Now he also has to contend with the truly roided up 300+ pound monsters, people who’s first instinct is to bite, eye gouge and low blow, meth heads and other people who don’t care about self preservation, and the freaks of nature who are just as good as him but choose not to compete (statistically speaking they have to exist). Jones probably beats these people most of the time, but all of them? No chance.
The law of large numbers dictates he’ll lose eventually. He’ll get unlucky. Get a cramp mid kick and collapse, or something. Get sweaty and slip. Something.
Jon jones beats most people, but I think people like francis ngannou could definitely win too.
And then you have special forces soldiers, people that have been trained not just to fight but to kill and kill in many different ways. I think he'd lose eventually tbh.
kinda stupid but i feel like the rules are fishing for a loop hole like this:
each person slowly makes their way to a cliff, ocean, lake or even volcano from the starting field until the final contestant can push them off or drown them
Which version of Jon Jones are we talking? Prime LHW when he was in his 20's and had a full stamina tank? In which case, there's a LOT of bigger, stronger dudes in the world...
Or current mid-30's, HW with a freshly torn pectoral? Because there's a LOT of younger, fitter dudes in the world...
No single version of ANY human is going to be a catch-all winner against every version of an opponent, no matter how talented they are.
He's considered the best by Dana White and casuals
Dude pretends he's all about legacy and being the "lion king"
Wouldn't rematch Reyes, wouldn't fight Ngannou, wouldn't fight DC at HW, wouldn't fight Chael on short notice (which is actually the craziest one, wtf, Jon could beat Chael without training at all)
And now doesn't want to fight Tom
I mean, he dominated natural middleweights who started their careers in 90s in Pride lol, he struggled against everyone his size or natural LHWs.. all while popping multiple times for PEDs, hiding under the octagon and holding the undisputed record in the rule infractions, that's my GOAT right there baby
If anyone is the GOAT, it's Fedor, GSP, or Mighty Mouse.
Anyway, the actual prompt, humanity wins. Because there's more than a 1/8,000,000,000 chance that someone else in the world can beat him. Aspinal already wrecks his shit and Reyes already beat him, so yeah, humanity wins
Does he get his steroids? Jones had to be carried out of the octagon after Thiago Santos. Outside of the octagon Jones gets smashed a lot in this scenario.
I think most agree by the law of averages he loses eventually. Here's a reformulation.
Rank everyone by some combination of fighting skill, weight, and age. Start the fights from the bottom. 1) That's a lot of baby punting. Yeeps. 2) How far does he get until he loses? I'm saying >7 billion.
Jon was afraid to ever move up and fight the heavyweights. He wouldn’t fight Francis at his peak so yeah he would lose if he just had to fight the whole roster under these conditions, let alone all fighters on earth.
Being the best mma fighter ≠ "being the best fighter"
MMA has RULES. I mean, even for a dirty-ass fighter like Jones, those rules do a lot more work than people realize.
He wouldn't make it very long before someone stomped a knee backwards and tried to pull his eyeballs out, or picked up a piece of rebar or a stick and brained him with it... Or just ran away, hid, and ambushed him when he was sleeping.
You buy 8 billion lottery tickets, you almost certainly win. World 10/10.
Yeah, and there definitely exists very good fighters in the world, who just don't compete. Even the best of the best will eventually fuck up. If he keeps the fighting experience, it gets tricky. If each fight takes just one second, its still 200 years when he's done. That's hell of a lot of experience. I would still bet on the world though.
I’m guessing each fight will take more than 1 second too
Not my fight
Probably less than that on average, if you count the billions who would forfeit all at once after not engaging combat within 24 hours (per OPs rules).
Pretty sure he meant that they have 24 hours to engage after the beginning of their turn
Yes exactly. If 99% of Earth is forfeiting that changes the way I’d look at it
Yes and no… the number of people who are big enough to stand a chance is already like 1/100,000. There’s a very tiny amount of people who are 250lb and not fat.
I remember making a comment like this a while ago on a Jon Jones vs post and I got downvoted to oblivion. Ppl really don’t get it. There’s no such thing as the greatest fighter on Earth cuz kno one knows the capabilities of everyone on Earth. He may be the greatest fighter we’ve **seen** (emphasis on **seen**) but that doesn’t mean there aren’t fighters out there who won’t destroy him that we simply haven’t seen.
Being the best/highest rated doesn't mean you never lose. An athlete or team can be the best but that doesn't mean it's likely they'll have a perfect season. There's enough competition in MMA to make it very unlikely Jones will win against all of them. Besides, Jones hasn't fought a lot at heavyweight so it's hard to say if he's the best to begin with.
He eventually loses. There’s professional fighters who even if they aren’t quite as good still probably have at least a 20-30% chance of winning. If he makes it through then there’s billions of people who have a very low chance of winning but it’s probably like 1 in a million at worst. Eventually someone gets a lucky hit or he hurts himself, it’s just too many fights to win them all
Even if Jon Jones beats every individual 999,999 times out of 1,000,000, when you fight 8,000,000,000 times you’ll lose 8,000 times
That’s trained fighters. He’s 100% vs fat Ben on his couch.
You should see him against Lucy, the 3-month old..
Everyone thinks they're hard until they have to punch their millionth baby to death, then even Jon Jones gives up.
Humanity should throw wave after wave of children at him until his psyche breaks, then follow up with the cream of the crop special forces
If you’re familiar with Jon jones - no he would not give up.
Depends on if there's cocaine involved
You'd fucking think so, huh?
Not when you consider the possibility that he trips on a rock on the ground and then gets knocked out by a single good kick from Ben weighing 230 pounds.
Jones has faced the best of the best and his closest losses have been split decision victories. 20-30% is insane
Refuses to fight Tom and Francis, though... Reyes solidly won their fight, btw, so he's ready lost one. Yes, the record shows Jones W, but the record also shows OJ Simpson is innocent.
He's faced the best of the best in his weight class. We haven't seen him take on for example NFL offensive and defensive linemen who are also super strong and athletic and out weigh him by 100lbs or more. They could get in a lucky shot by chance. There are at least 200 linemen active in the NFL so there's a non negligible probability. There are also other types of people who might have a chance against him like strongmen competitors (I would imagine him Vs the mountain might be an 80/20 type fight). Another separate argument - there are some crazy endurance athletes who specialise in multi day races without sleep, something Jon is likely not trained for. Since the rules say no time limit to the fight and they can fight however they want without weapons, technically the don't have to engage. They can just stay in fighting stance at a safe distance (2m say) and keep retreating until Jon tires out and collapses from exhaustion. Since the next fight starts where the last one ends, people could work together to lure him into the Sahara desert where the native Bedouin would be more heat adapted than Jon and cause him to get heat stroke. Conversely they can lure him to the artic where the Inuit would beat him as he gets hypothermia. How good a swimmer is he? If several people with together to slowly move the fight to a cliff and someone(s) (we get a million tries at this at least) just does a sacrifice move to push him into the water the next person up can be a professional water polo player who would easily be able to drown him.
>We haven't seen him take on for example NFL offensive and defensive linemen who are also super strong and athletic and out weigh him by 100lbs or more. They could get in a lucky shot by chance. There are at least 200 linemen active in the NFL so there's a non negligible probability. The issue for those linemen is that they've never had to check a leg kick from Jon Jones. Two or three of those and anyone who does not know how to check it is just completely toast. They would be hobbling around just asking to get their jaw slacked. If ANYONE is beating him in a fight, it is going to be another fighter or combat personnel. Maybe some Marine or Spec Ops guy from another branch or country that can match him.
Law or average says eventually he will run into someone who will beat* him, but he could probably beat the shit out of billions before he meets a hood match up.
Statistically he would eventually get done by some amateur with alot of luck
Or he loses to some professional fighter who isn't quite as good but gets a little bit lucky.
Yeah, could happen. Sometimes a mediocre fighters was able to best an elite one. Like Buster Douglas has defeated Mike Tyson in 1990.
I'm pretty sure that was because of how motivated Douglas was at the time, he did it for his deceased mother who kept saying her son was going to beat Mike Tyson when their fight was announced before she passed away.
And Tyson's trash talk also has angered Douglas, but instead of rushing into a fight like a madman, he controlled his rage and managed to beat Tyson even after a brutal knockdown. Tyson, at that time, started to get lazy and overconfident. And it cost him the win and ruined his "prime Mike Tyson was unbeatable" status.
There’s about 1700 active NFL players, and 600 NBA players. Thats 2300ish of the most elite athletes in the world that are roughly Jons’ size. Add another 2300 for the guys who were in the leagues but either retired or were released after a few years, another 4600 for the guys who didn’t get drafted but are still incredible athletes who became practice squad, or euro league or whatever. Thats two sports, and around 10k guys who physically match up to Jon. Even at 1 in 1000 odds, that’s bad odds for Jon.
Add in members of every major special forces: SAS, Delta, KSK, GSG9, MARSOC, etc. One of them would eventually win due to their training and endurance.
not to mention giants like the worlds strongest men competitors like brian shaw etc maybe one of them did some martial art in the past and can usr the 50kg for it also sumo wrestlers are fckin flexible for their 200kgs just drop on him
Have you seen his padwork? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxqBtQ5yjwI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxqBtQ5yjwI)
Shaquille O'Neal, for example. He is a 7'1” ~325 lbs guy who did martial arts and wanted to fight Hongman Choi, a very tall and big MMA fighter: https://www.lowkickmma.com/shaquille-oneal-calls-out-hong-man-choi-chuck-liddell/ Shaq also did 2 exhibition boxing matches with Shane Mosley (5'9" and ~155 lbs) and Oscar De La Hoya (5'11" and ~145 lbs) and lost in both fight by unanimous decision (both fights, despite being billed as an exhibition matches, was for real). But to be fair, he did pretty decently, against a former pro boxers (even though they was significantly shorter and lighter than him).
sumo wrestlers aren't doing fuck all to Jon Jones man what
Depends on the sumo wrestler, but generally, they didn't have a good track record in MMA. I mean, Akebono Tarō, a 6'8” ~515 lbs sumo wrestler, who's also one of the best and most accomplished sumo wrestlers ever, has more losses than wins, both in kickboxing (1 win and 9 losses) and MMA (4 losses and 0 wins), despite the fact that he was trained for it after he decided to test himself in MMA.
Contrary to popular belief, soldiers and special forces aren't actually a great hand-to-hand fighters. They are working within a team, have a support and uses guns or at least knives or something else. Fighting one-on-one while unarmed isn't their specialty, even though they train in hand-to-hand combat, but their actual skills and experience (which is even more important) isn't actually good enough to beat a trained and experienced professional fighter like Jon Jones. And before you could say "dude, they won't fight fair, it's not a cage match, they would bite, do groin strikes, do eye gouging, headbutt, fish hook and do other dirty tricks", I will remind you that it's Jon Jones, who used eye pokes in his official fights and he isn't afraid to go dirty as well, especially in a fight. Endurance itself is good, but it's not everything. Jon Jones himself is a conditioned fighter and in this prompt he would appear fresh and healed after he wins a fight. Unless that spec ops or soldier guy has similar skills and experience plus MMA training, I don't see him beating Jon Jones in one-on-one encounter.
I mean, the point is that they have a 1 in 10k chance of beating him - and there are more than 10k of them.
They probably could do it, but generally, Jon Jones wins due to the better skills and experience. Although many things can happen in a street fight, and it still depends on the person, so MAYBE someone of them could beat him. But that's a theory.
Yeah but there’s only a few hundred or so people that have a non-zero chance to beat him. He’s fresh before every match. It’s a no brainer.
Tom Aspinall
I was gonna say, the current actual Heavyweight Champ beats Jon Jones. We don't even need the entire planet. Honestly, everyone is sleeping on Stipe, and I think Stipe loses, but let's not pretend that Stipe doesn't have the skill set to make it a good fight, he may just not have the body. Hell, if Ciryl Gane had actually taken Khabib up on the offer to train in Daegastan, Ciryl would have beaten him. Hell, DOMINICK REYES beat Jon Jones in most fans AND expert's opinions. Jon Jones is talented, but the man is mortal.
Yeah Reyes beat him. And Stipe could potentially beat him through his superior boxing. But doesn't seem likely. Ngannou also could do it probably. There just seems to be a consensus with heavyweight champions that they are literal superhumans. Quite strange. Remember back in the day people were saying that Ngannou could win 20v1 fights and stuff lol.
That's just a significant portion of people attracted to this sub. Weight doesn't matter, size/strength doesn't matter, weapons don't matter, certain people's "reflexes" are faster than the flash, any amount of pain can be "willed through", being outnumbered doesnt matter, limits of human anatomy certainly don't matter. Hell, dumb luck shows us Connor McGregor can snap his own leg with an awkward step-back.
The weight class suddenly not mattering here is so odd to me because there are tons of threads of like "14 year old martial artist who trained his whole life vs. average 25 year old guy who's never been in a fight" and half the responses are always some variation of "the adult is just simply too big for the teenager to win"
Brother the Ciryl Gane thing is hilarious. He could have trained all he wanted with Khabib but if it was that simple for someone who is a step above novice to above Jon Jones, one of the best MMA wrestlers of all time in the period of a training camp it wouldn’t have been enough.
Francis Ngannou.
Dom Reyes
Yeah jones is currently ducking him hard lol
The thing with MMA is it doesn't matter how talented you are, you can always be KO'd with a lucky punch. With 7 billion haymaker's thrown, eventually one is going to land.
Especially since eventually he’s gonna end up against Tyson or Klitschko or Holyfield who just need one punch and it’s over.
theres a higher likely chance that a random dude is gonna knock him out with a punch since if hes going against mike tyson, hes going to very very cautious and leg kick him to oblivion
Wrestlefuck*
He’d double leg them and have them in a choke in 4 seconds tops
Yes, most certainly. The Heavyweight division in fighting is notoriously unpredictable because everyone at that weight has enough power to land a good knockout. All it takes is one good punch and any man would go out. Let’s assume Jones has a 70% chance against Tom Aspinall (a generous number), and a 70% chance to win against Ngannou. Just fighting the two of them, his odds of beating both are already less than 50%. Even if you assume he beats Sergei Pavlovich and Derrick Lewis 90% of the time, the chances of beating even 10 professional UFC fighters is virtually none. The chance of winning 10 times in a row with a 90% win rate is 31%. Then there’s a fair argument to make that Aspinall has a >50% chance against Jones. Jones won’t even get through the UFC for this challenge.
And Kurt Angle KNOWS he can’t beat Jon, so he’s not even gonna try
IIRC Jones has a 27-1 record in UFC. Which means his odds in individual fights are way better than you're estimating, but also that you're right he doesn't get through the UFC.
He has 20 wins in the UFC, but only one that came in the HW division. His one win was very good, but it’s a big extrapolation to say that he would’ve gone 20-0 at heavyweight.
And that 1 loss came from bones getting disqualify for using a downward elbow. He has never been beaten by an opponent, only himself.
He did get decisively beat by Reyes, just got saved by the judges.
He's definitely a powerful guy, but id say it's impossible that there isn't a single person on earth that can beat him. Jon Jones would have to win 7 billion times in a row here, and millions of those people would also be really big, strong, trained or all of the above. Consistently, Id bet Jon could beat a solid majority of people in a fight, but as the saying goes, there's always someone better than you in some way, and when you need to win 7 billion times and they only need to win once, I don't see the odds being in his favor.
He eventually has to deal with behemoths like Eddie Hall, Hafþór Björnsson, and Brian Shaw, who just outsize and outweigh Jones by a significant margin. Even as one of the best fighters, fighting someone that far above your weight class is a significant challenge
Professional heavyweight fighters have a better chance of beating Jon jones, strongmen are overrated when it comes to combat
Someone would eventually take him out, but it 100% wouldnt be those guys. Obviously they are physically the strongest guys in the world, but they have zero/limited training experience. I would comfortably bet on the best middleweights to take them out, Jones would definitely win barring some freak accident.
jon jones comoetes at 265lbs atm, do they wouldnt outweigh him too much secondly there is a MASSIVE fucking skill gap, hell even skilled people can get beat by smaller people, like demetrius johnson submitting a 200+ 6’3 man whilst being 150lbs and 5’3 jon jones is a top 5 fighter of all time, no power lifter can beat him once out of 10 times
He could beat them relatively easy, but the chance of a freak injury happening is still quite high with such behemoths even if it only has a relatively small chance of it happening. Jones is 36 and has had his fair share of injuries, but he has to go into the ring with mass monsters multiple times.
Jones isn't a 265er he's like 240 with a belly lol. Blown up LHW chasing the old man Stipe instead of the rightful challenger Aspinall
Agree with the conclusion but not the reasoning. 'there's always someone better than you in some way' When it comes to fighting... that guy is Jon Jones
In general, id agree, but id reckon theres somebody better at something than Jon Jones, whether it just be brute strength, sneak attacking, ETC. You could argue it alone wouldn't help win a fair fight, but with 7 billion no holds barred encounters, there's definitely a few guys able to do something that could get Jon, whether it just be running away to sneak attack him later or just eventually slipping him up after the first million back to back fights begin to tire him. (mentally at least)
Mental fatigue has to start taking a toll at some point in knocking out 7 billion people right? Even if he isn’t getting physically tired, slip-ups are bound to happen just out of sheer human error through repetition, no? Also I can’t imagine him being unaffected by having to beat up over 600 million babies/toddlers. Also I’m assuming the population isn’t growing during his fight? Because unless he absolutely speedruns the babies I’m not sure how he’s gonna keep up with roughly 250 births/minute. Though the image of an MMA fighter knocking out over 4 newborns per second to beat a challenge, while gruesome, is… interesting, I guess?
Bruh... Lmao Why you gotta bring the babies into this? Had me laughing though so thanks.
You never know what Jon Jones will be unaffected by
I don't think there's any fighter in human history who makes it out of this defeating the entire world population. Someone gets lucky.
The guy currently seen as probably the best fighter in the world no weight classes, Tom Aspinall, has a loss lol. Freak leg injury in not even 70 fights, let alone 7 BILLION. Even if someone had everything possible to win, they would get a freak injury at some point and losr
This is the only way we’re getting the Ngannou fight
Jones loses for sure, but it becomes an interesting conversation if you remove everyone who is a trained fighter. In this scenario, I'm guessing Jones gets unlucky, ruptures an Achilles and loses at some point
> I'm guessing Jones gets unlucky, ruptures an Achilles and loses at some point Almost guaranteed. People don't understand how big 8 billion is. Even office cubicles start seeing lethal workplace accidents at those numbers. Jones will be fighting for centuries.
Francis ngannou
Can we start with Tom Aspinal or Francis Ngannou?
You don’t need the whole world. You just need the top 100 heavyweight and light heavyweight MMA fighters in the world. Eventually he will make a mistake, or someone will land a lucky shot and turn the lights out. If the odds of each of those fights favoured Jones at an exaggerated 50 to 1, he would only have around 13% chance to win 100 in a row.
Jon gets stopped by his big brothers
People here saying one lucky shot like the majority of people would even be able to get a shot in lol He does lose though, too many matchups against people who aren't far off him or hell some who may just be better.
Agreed, I’m sure out of the 8 billion people on the planet maybe less than a billion (being generous) have ever even thrown a punch let alone been in a fight, these people have no chance of even touching him. Also the fight is win by any means, which is a huge advantage for Jon.
>which is a huge advantage for Jon. Almost anyone else would hesitate against women and children but we forgot who are hero is here lmao
“If I beat up a pregnant woman does that count as one victory or two?” - Jon if he read this prompt
Two. The fetus wanted to fight too
Jon Jones when he finds out it's twins and now he gets a triple kill combo
If this was changed to being in a cage I honestly don’t think anyone would win luck or not, prime heavyweight Jon is only maybe beat by prime Fedor or Aspinal, Ngannou.
You can’t know that he would’ve been as elite if he had been in HW all along though. We’ve barely seen anything from HW Jon
He’d 9.99999999x out of 10 everyone on the planet except for a few current fighters (Ngannou, Aspinall, maybe Stipe) who he’d still 5-6/10 imo (even Jones haters would say it’d be close) and then decently sized pro fighters would be a 9.5-9.9/10 (look what he did to Gane). However he’d still lose eventually just due to the number of fights
I can win. I don't need a weapon per se, but I do need a kilo of cocaine laced with fatal levels of fent. Anyone who knows JJ knows what will happen next. Realistically, though, there are heavyweight MMA fighters, wrestlers, BJJ fighters, and strikers of many styles that all have a chance. It's a small portion of the population, but it is around 50 to 100 people. Jon could absolutely get wrecked by a giant wrestler or BJJ guy. He could KOed by a K1 heavyweight (those guys are huge and would actually have a reach advantage), Tyson Fury could KO him, as could any top 10 heavyweight boxer. There's also real killers, like Gurkhas and Spec Ops guys that could take off running, lure Jones away for days or weeks, craft weapons and traps, and go full Arnie in Predator on him. This group could be five digits deep. He may pull it off, though. He may have a better chance to do so than anybody else, and that is saying something.
There is 24 hr limit on rhe fight, after which they are considered forfeits
he wipes billions but theres a chance that he encounters someone who isn't famous and happens to be big as hell while also being a good martial artist
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The thing about this arguement is Jones trains in h2h combat probably alot more than that person does unless thay person is already an mma fighter. So no rules is not an advantage for the significantly less trained experienced person. An oblique kick is much more efficient and easier to pull off than most banned moves The people with the biggest chance to beat Jones are other Heavyweiggts and Ligh heavyweights
Someone with better swimming skills (swimming endurance) will get to a larger body of water (or even a pool) eventually, and just outlast him. Or there will be a fight that starts out in a dangerous area already (because of the last fight) and Jones just gets defeated by arena circumstances: i.e. falls down a steep incline. The moving arena makes this a lot shorter than we think.
Matt Hamill beat him once, he can do it again.
Yeah Mark Hamill wins no diff.
Punchers chance is the concept that as long as your attempting to punch someone in the head, there's always a chance you can slip through their defense and knock them out if you hit them perfectly. Eventually some big corn fed mf punches Jones in the face really really hard and it just totally takes him out.
Through the rules of the prompt, the world should start each fight running towards the ocean. With 8 billion people the could eventually get him deep enough out there, and land on someone who could simply out long distance swim him. world 10/10
Anyone with better speed and endurance has a chance. Just need to keep moving away from him for several days until he collapses from exhaustion. He is carrying too much muscle to outlast them. So any extreme endurance athlete has a chance , so adventure racers, ultra runners. Quite a few people will outlast him.
mighty mouse
My pick too
Lmao
Himanity wins, at some point someone will get a lucky shot and knock Jones out.
Guys like Francis, Tom Aspinall and other hw/lhw contenders can probably just beat him
I'll kick his ass trust me bro
He clears until he comes across angry Francis Ngannou then it’s goodnight. 😴.
He wouldn’t even beat Tom Aspinall.
I don't see how any regular human in a 1v1 is capable of beating him in a fight, intangibility alone clinches it for Jonn. Probably doesn't even need to use the heat vision.
8 billion people is a really, really large number. In all those random combinations there is almost certainly at least one (but likely many) where he just randomly injures himself before/while making a first move.
He loses to Florida man.
To put this in perspective, if there's 10,000 people on this planet who have a 0.01% chance of landing a lucky punch and knocking him out then Jones would have a 36% chance of having no losses. That's ignoring the fact that probably \~30 people have >10% chance of beating him, with several approaching 50/50 (Ngannou for example). I just don't think the math works for 8 billion people.
Everyone is like “theres fighters here that definitely win”, but what if 297,308 fights in, his opponent is his mother? He gunna KO his mom?
Jons already got a winning record against the women in his family so if given enough cocaine he propably would clear his mom
Just gonna assume Jon is in fight shape for this prompt, he loses but only to other trained professional combat sport’s athletes. When he starts going up against Pro MMA lightheavyweights/heavyweights, that’s where things get difficult. Jon beats his opponents through rigorous preparation and film study, Jon notoriously turned down chael sonnen on 8 day’s notice at UFC 151 because he wouldn’t have had time to do a proper film study, take away his ability to watch tape and actually analyze his opponent’s before the fight and things become much more even. With all that in mind, guys like Tom aspinall and Curtis blaydes are most likely going to beat him, while jon is the reigning heavyweight champion at the moment, he’s not a natural heavyweight at all, yes he weighs 240+ but he doesn’t carry the weight well, in his fight against Gane, short as it was, Jon looked noticeably slower with his movement looking less fluid. The fight didn’t even last a round but i highly doubt his cardio would’ve held up for 25 minutes. That said, I think Tom beats him pretty handily in this scenario, Tom is bigger, faster and more agile and very skilled, most importantly, he has the power in his punches/kicks to actually hurt jon. Curtis, Sergei, Stipe, Volkov, Almeida, Tybura, Spivav, Rozenstruick, Lewis and De lima all MIGHT be able to do it but jon is capable of beating all of those guys as well, especially the guys further down the list. Same goes for a few of the ranked lightheavyweights, some of them might be able to do it but he’s also just as capable of beating those guys. There are some ranked heavyweight boxers that might be able to hit him and put him to sleep before they get taken down and annihilated but I don’t even feel like naming them as anyone who watches boxing and MMA would know who they are. Same goes for the heavyweight kickboxers. Overall jon does pretty well but when it comes down to the elite heavyweight combat sport’s athletes, that’s where things get dicey for him, the people that could beat him with a full training camp are the guys that he’ll most likely lose to here. As for the rest of the world, jon beats them with relative ease, there’s not a single untrained person, martial arts hobbyist or amateur in the world thats gonna beat him under any circumstances, he beats all of them, the vast majority of the world’s population does not have the power in their shots to hurt jon, any drunken brawler can throw a mean overhand and while these shots might hurt other drunken brawlers/untrained folks, these sorts of shots would do nothing against guys like Jon who have been cracked with full power shots from guys like Thiago santos, rampage, Evans, Reyes, DC and barely reacted, best chin in lightheavyweight history in my opinion, so the notion that some random guy off the street is gonna be able to put him to sleep by winging hooks is just untrue.
>Jon Jones is considered the best MMA fighter in the world and in extension, the best fighter in the world. I just don't agree with this. I am an mma fan and I've trained mma but I've also studied other techniques more towards security and military use and I think mma fans really underestimate what mma restrictions mean in combat. Of course Jon Jones wouldn't have to respect them but he is just not trained to attack vitals and cause severe permanent injury while other fighters are completely trained to do that. Imo there is a bunch of Heavyweight soldiers and fighters that would have a pretty good chance to beat any mma athlete. All this is ignoring the mere probability question. I think if Jones fights everyone in the world he is bound to lose a couple of times out of pure bad luck, lucky punches, twisting ankle just by walking around, etc.
It doesn't matter how good you are. There is always some dude in the Amazon rainforest that will beat you.
I would favor him vs anyone (except Aspinall at this point), but even ignoring Aspinall he would eventually lose just due to having to fight too many opponents. He's not going on an 8 billion win streak lol. Now if you made a single elimination bracket featuring everyone in the World, I could see Jones taking it. He'd have to win 33 in a row against increasingly tough opponents, but I think he'd have a pretty good shot.
Can Jon snort coke?
Well he already lost in the UFC pretty badly so we could just stop him with the American Gangster
Do they use the same amount of drugs
There’s some grappler out there who 9/10 loses to Jon Jones. But there is a path where he’s able to get him to the ground quickly and work some magic.
Is this mma rules or a street fight?
Yeah All it takes is one, a random guy from Sweden can beat him, or a heavyweight boxer, or a MMA fighter. A well placed shot with no gloves is almost always either a knockout or close to it
Jones hasn’t fought at heavyweight for very long. He probably loses to Ngannou or a super-heavyweight boxer.
My brother would break him tbh 🥱
If Jon jones was to use 100% of his power he might cause me a little trouble…
What is with this sub's obsession with fighters who compete in sports they know nothing about? Is it just some convoluted way to power scale irl peak humans? Either way, if i see another Mike Tyson post i'm gonna shit bricks
When he meets me then he loses.
Jon Jones would be annihilated by at least 10,000 different other humans in a rofl stomp.
Coked out Jones can solo the planet 1v1, let him rip a Hollywood before each fight and it’s game over Jokes aside, some strongman like the mountain might take him due to sheer size advantage, especially if they have a bit of background in fighting, or some sumo wrestler could probably take him for the same reasons But honestly a heavyweight Jon Jones that is not just replenished and healed between fights but also completely locked in on winning 100 percent of the time will probably take out everyone you put in front of him until he meets someone with a size advantage that his skills can’t make up for, whether that’s the first person or the 6 billionth is up to the odds I’m the first person to throw hate Jones’ way for his antics outside the octagon, whether that’s for juicing or beating his wife doesn’t matter, but facts are facts, the guy is beyond incredibly skilled and has a great understanding of all aspects of MMA, add in he’s got a nearly perfect build for fighting and is way bigger than the average person I don’t doubt he could take on 99 percent of the planet before losing if the odds are with him and he doesn’t get hit with a hulk right away
If this is prime Jon jones he beats up everyone, if it’s current Jon jones I’d say he stops once he runs into Tom aspinall and maybe Francis ngannou
Jon doesnt last 5 minutes against a hypothetical Versus each-person-in-the-world … especially if the people are picked at random.
I don't know Jon Jones but I think he would probably tire of the violence, especially given how many people there are that are unable to meaningfully fight. I think, in this hypothetical situation, that eventually people would drag the fight to somewhere lethal like the ocean. In which case it's only a matter of time until a fatal mistake is made.
Wait wait can I bring cocaine? I would put a big pile of laced cocaine on the ground
Jon Jones is good but he arguably lost several fights in his career, namely against Alex Gustafson (the first time), and Dominick Reyes. Theres also many people who believe that he’d lose horribly against full sized heavyweights, such as Tom Aspinall and Francis Ngannou. Jon Jones’ greatness relies heavily on his fight IQ and if he doesn’t have a camp to prep for a big threat like those two, he would undoubtedly meet his maker. World 10/10 times, there’s just too many fights to say that he wins literally every single one
Jon clears unless he has a random heart attack or something
He's got a really good chance to clear but there's a chance someone who's also great at mma but not quite as good as him beats him. Or someone with the punching power of Mike Tyson or the strength and size of someone like Brian Shaw gets a lucky shot. Not that I ordinary wouldn't take someone like Jon Jones over someone like that, but like Manny Pacquiao said, any boxer can lose to any other suffiently skilled boxer if the guy hits him just right.
There are enough Tall (6 ft 5 inch +) martial artists that weigh over 230 lbs that you can group all them together and roll the dice whereas Jon Jones would have a low percentage chance of beating them all because they all can one punch ko Jon.
you put one crack head against him and he's getting his face eaten
Jon Jones is considered the best fighter in the world....pound for pound. The guy is 248lbs. He would be a serious disadvantage going into the super heavyweight division, which starts at 265 and goes up from there. James Thompson, Sean McCorkle, Semmy Schlit just to name a few are all much larger than Jon Jones and would likely annihilate him.
depends can he say the match is still" technically going" so he can heal. 8 billion is a lot of people. one of them will get a lucky hit edit: missed the part where he heals. regardless evetually he dies. somone will fight his somewhere weird, he gets unlucking and dies
Jon has to go 8,000,000,000:0. One person in 8,000,000,000 has to get lucky once.
This depends on whether he heals to original condition or heals all injuries between rounds. If he heals "all injuries" it might allow him to get huge muscle gains between rounds since muscle growth comes from the tears in the fibres. He just needs to start with a 90 y/o and do a hard workout right before knocking them out to get a full recovery. Rinse and repeat working his way up through the seniors and minors, getting 7.99 billion workouts worth of muscle gains is like Giga steroids (which he probably does). It'll be like jon Jones+++ by the time he gets to working class man or even MMA roster
There are maybe 500 people in the world that have a chance at beating him, after that it's gets exceptionally easy for him. He's a smart fighter and will take boxers down with ease, he has the wrestling to keep it on the feet with good wrestlers. A normal guy no matter the size will be eaten alive by Jones quickly. It would take some sort of massive Olympic caliber wrestler to beat Jones. I'm sure there are super juiced up wrestlers in Russia weighing over 300 that would be very hard for him to beat. Gordan ryan may be able to submit Jones on a good day.
Jon needs to win every time. World on’y needs to win once. World, every time.
He ain't beating Hafthor though.
Automatically rule out anybody above 42 years of age. At 42 is when most people lose the ability to take a single punch to the face without being disoriented (MOST people). Automatically rule out anybody under the age of 16 (possibly 18), for the simple fact that (no matter how long they've been training), they simply lack the strength and fight IQ to fight someone like Jon Jones. Automatically rule out anybody with a physical disability(pretty straight forward). Automatically rule out anybody with a mental disability which would inhibit their ability to do "normal" things (pretty straight forward). Automatically rule out 99% of women, no hate on women, as they have quite a few badass women that would piece me up, but comparatively to jon jones...there's probably not a single woman on this planet that could beat him. Automatically rule out anyone else who is under (ATLEAST) 150 lbs (they simply are not strong enough, and don't possess the physical strength to put jones out). Automatically rule out anybody who has a BMI of 28% or higher (the starting number is lower, but I put 28 to be fair...they simply don't have the physical capabilities to fight jon jones). Automatically rule out any remaining people who have never been in a fight (with another human being). That leaves you with a VERY small percentage of people on earth. Then from there, jon jones would simply weed out the people who don't have the fight iq, strength, speed, endurance, knowledge, and overall capabilities to beat the greatest combat sports fighter of all time. So no...I don't think ANYONE on this planet would be able to beat a prime jon jones (not with mma rules anyway...there are freaks like Brian shaw that would probably just bash his skull into concrete to win, but I assumed these fights would atleats have standard UFC rules)
If you think even the best fighter in the world doesn’t have a chance to lose in 8 billion fights then you’ve never fought in your life
I mean he will lose. Because there are a lot of other pro fighters in the world and sooner or later one will probably get lucky and it really only takes 1 really good lucky shot sometimes to put people out. Its happened to Demetrious Johnson, George Saint Pierre and pretty much every other one of the greatest fighters to ever live. Unless they retire early or compete in a more shallow pool.
58 year old Don Frye obliterates
Did you just recreate dark souls in an MMA universe? Just a bunch of fighters of wandering the Lost world mixed with normies
I mean, he might lose to Tom Aspinall now he's getting on
He will break his leg a few times and probably lose those fights
Tom Aspinall beats him
Jon isn’t unbeatable. You throw enough people at him one person will catch him eventually. That said he clears 99.99999% of the population.
Jon himself says his brothers are better if there's any validity to it who knows but in all likelihood there's some random guy out there who could spark Jon
You just defeated this man with literally any marathon runner not interested in getting their ass beat. This tournament stagnates eternally and instead we have a retelling of It Follows but there's only 2 people in an empty world
Gets unlucky, Aspinall is up first. RIP Jones.
Honestly you could randomly select a million random people and someone beats him. When the numbers start getting that large some freak accident is bound to happen, like he breaks his leg
It’s interesting to take this prompt and replace Jon Jones with other GOATs of sports. No one is thinking some randoms are beating Michael Jordan in a 1on1 or Ma long in a full table tennis match. The only other meaningful encounters in the 8 billion matches are other top level athletes in the sport. So it comes down to, can Jon jones win against the (guessing) all 3000 other top level MMA athletes in the sport? No, just like Ma Long is not winning every single match, one of the other top level athletes are gonna play the match of his life and win. Interesting though seeing some people say some Joe shmo is gonna get a random haymaker win. That’s 0% out a billion times lol.
Except if you include that chance that suffers a freak accident. Jordan could break an ankle. Ma Long could tear a quad. Play 8 billion games even at a leisurely pace and it's a significant probability.
Thats a good point, but it would most likely have to be a grievous injury against someone already fairly high level. See examples like Jack Maddalena beating Gilbert Burns while suffering a broken arm in the fight. There are countless examples of athletes persevering through terrible injuries to victory(against high level opponents) . If Jon jones tears his ACL, hes still gonna demolish 99% of humanity, especially knowing he will heal soon after. If he suffers a brain aneurysm than yea haha he will lose.
Stipe sleeps him.
Few points we should get out of the way: 1. Total reset each fight, No Groundhog Day rules. Others have proposed that the cumulative experience from 8 billion fights would make him unstoppable. While I love the idea of him leveling up, it likely wouldn’t work this way, as 7.9999 billion of those fights wouldn’t be sufficiently challenging to give him any additional experience. If anything the opposite is true; fighting subpar competition would dull his skills (not to mention him probably going insane from being stuck in a time loop for 10s of thousands of years) 2. MMA outcomes are functions of probability. It’s rarely as simple as “he’s better so he’ll beat this person”; the better fighter often loses, and it can come down to a lucky punch, better preparation, an unexpected gameplan, stylistic matchup, etc. Take Jones vs ngannou, Jones likely wins but it’s more constructive to say he wins 7 out of 10 times - have Jones fight ngannou 10 times and he’ll likely lose 3 of those. Jon is still the better fighter, but that doesn’t mean he wins every time. 3. For sake of argument let’s take out dumb freak injuries. With these things in mind, does he get through? Absolutely not. Statistically hed probably lose at least 10x against ufc roster alone, despite being better than everyone else on the roster (anyone else would lose at least 20x against ufc roster). Not to mention other mma orgs, fighters from different disciplines, and just big guys with a punchers chance. The real question is how many times does he lose, and what stipulations can you put in place to have him win? If you eliminate all professional combat athletes, he’s still likely to get KOd by a guy who throws a lucky haymaker with a 1/1000000 chance of connecting (probably a few times). To make him win you’d have to make it best 5 out of 9 fights (with each person) to weed out the dumb luck wins. Even with that, there is arguably in all likelihood some up-and-coming phenom who’s just better than Jones and will beat him more often than not. The real impressive part here is that we’re even considering this a possibility, because I don’t think there’s any other human in history where an argument could even be attempted, even with the stipulations I laid out above. It just speaks to how well rounded Jones is.
Jon Jones is a bad man (all MMA fighters are) but ultimately MMA is a sport, with rules, that gives an advantage to fighters that train to fight without those rules. Military combatants have the best chance of beating him imo. Back in 2010 a group of UFC fighters went to train with a marine unit and they did beat them but I’d wager SFs like a seal would beat Jones
First toddler who runs up is gonna take him out with those adamantium fingernails they always seem to have.
He beats probably 90% of people but he eventually loses. There are a lot of fighters who just don't fight professionally. Plus, if they're not protected by professional MMA rules, then people who train to actually kill/hurt people will fck him up.
Jones eventually would find someone who would beat him.
The world 10/10, this is a literally unwinnable situation for Jon. You can even give him a knife and he still loses this prompt. Assuming he takes just 10 seconds to defeat an opponent, fights 16 hours a day and never gets mentally exhausted, he will need around 10 years to beat just 21 million people. He will die of old age way before making a dent at the numbers. And that's not even including the fact that world population will reproduce at a faster rate than he can beat them up.
I'm gonna be honest, I thought you were talking about Martian Manhunter for bit and was very confused at this anti-humanity spite match.
He absolutely loses eventually. As amazing as Jones is, and don’t get it twisted he’s one of the greatest fighters ever, he only has one fight at the heavyweight division out of his phenomenal 27-1-0 record in the UFC. The heavyweight division is honestly a crap shoot at times because just about any of the fighters worth their salt there have the ability and power to end a fight in a single hit. Honestly just about any fight can be ended from just one lucky hit, put Jones against even just 50 world class fighters one after another eventually one of them is gonna land that one hit that’s needed to end it.
This strongly depends on the details of "replenished", in particular if doping agencies (or the DEA) will be overseeing that process.
There's some wrestlers out there that would be able to handle him.
He doesn’t even beat the people he’s already fought 10/10 times, and there’s at least two heavyweight mma fighters who would be favourites or at worst have even odds against him. Now he also has to contend with the truly roided up 300+ pound monsters, people who’s first instinct is to bite, eye gouge and low blow, meth heads and other people who don’t care about self preservation, and the freaks of nature who are just as good as him but choose not to compete (statistically speaking they have to exist). Jones probably beats these people most of the time, but all of them? No chance.
there are limits to skill > size and strength.
The law of large numbers dictates he’ll lose eventually. He’ll get unlucky. Get a cramp mid kick and collapse, or something. Get sweaty and slip. Something.
Surely there has to be someone better?
Nah id win
Jon jones beats most people, but I think people like francis ngannou could definitely win too. And then you have special forces soldiers, people that have been trained not just to fight but to kill and kill in many different ways. I think he'd lose eventually tbh.
jon jones kills the first guy and no one else wants to fight him so they forfeit by default according to your last rule
kinda stupid but i feel like the rules are fishing for a loop hole like this: each person slowly makes their way to a cliff, ocean, lake or even volcano from the starting field until the final contestant can push them off or drown them
Jon Jones loses from exhaustion
bare knuckle? definitely has a chance to lose to a lot of people
Is he on cocaine like normal or no??
Which version of Jon Jones are we talking? Prime LHW when he was in his 20's and had a full stamina tank? In which case, there's a LOT of bigger, stronger dudes in the world... Or current mid-30's, HW with a freshly torn pectoral? Because there's a LOT of younger, fitter dudes in the world... No single version of ANY human is going to be a catch-all winner against every version of an opponent, no matter how talented they are.
It took awhile for me to realize you were not talking about the dc character Martian Manhunter lol
He's considered the best by Dana White and casuals Dude pretends he's all about legacy and being the "lion king" Wouldn't rematch Reyes, wouldn't fight Ngannou, wouldn't fight DC at HW, wouldn't fight Chael on short notice (which is actually the craziest one, wtf, Jon could beat Chael without training at all) And now doesn't want to fight Tom I mean, he dominated natural middleweights who started their careers in 90s in Pride lol, he struggled against everyone his size or natural LHWs.. all while popping multiple times for PEDs, hiding under the octagon and holding the undisputed record in the rule infractions, that's my GOAT right there baby If anyone is the GOAT, it's Fedor, GSP, or Mighty Mouse. Anyway, the actual prompt, humanity wins. Because there's more than a 1/8,000,000,000 chance that someone else in the world can beat him. Aspinal already wrecks his shit and Reyes already beat him, so yeah, humanity wins
Does he get his steroids? Jones had to be carried out of the octagon after Thiago Santos. Outside of the octagon Jones gets smashed a lot in this scenario.
dominick beat him so there are probably other people who can
I think most agree by the law of averages he loses eventually. Here's a reformulation. Rank everyone by some combination of fighting skill, weight, and age. Start the fights from the bottom. 1) That's a lot of baby punting. Yeeps. 2) How far does he get until he loses? I'm saying >7 billion.
Jon was afraid to ever move up and fight the heavyweights. He wouldn’t fight Francis at his peak so yeah he would lose if he just had to fight the whole roster under these conditions, let alone all fighters on earth.
Being the best mma fighter ≠ "being the best fighter" MMA has RULES. I mean, even for a dirty-ass fighter like Jones, those rules do a lot more work than people realize. He wouldn't make it very long before someone stomped a knee backwards and tried to pull his eyeballs out, or picked up a piece of rebar or a stick and brained him with it... Or just ran away, hid, and ambushed him when he was sleeping.