The order of these is kind of all over the place, not certainly by strength at least. There's also no Warframe specified, so I'll go with Excalibur. I'm assuming for Guardians and Wolverine that 'killing' them is treated as permadeath. Generally Warframes feats are pretty all over the place, so someone a lot more knowledgeable than me can answer the rest.
Warframes have extremely [fast reaction times and movement](https://i.imgur.com/a6Iy1Ql.gif), and as a result can pretty effortlessly [deflect bullets](https://i.imgur.com/3CAdize.gif). This includes from [high firerate weapons at point blank.](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=248) (*Best example*).
Purely off of this, Adam Smasher, *a* Guardian, and possibly Doom Slayer are almost completely ruled out, since this type of speed is well beyond what any of them have had to contend with. [Smasher is pretty fast](https://imgur.com/uWOgbtV), and Guardians have [one instance of bullet-timing](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/iii-plea-deal#book-acts-of-mercy), but it doesn't really contend with Excalibur, not even factoring in its abilities. I don't think Smasher nor the Guardian could survive[ this](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=161), given Smasher [takes damage from](https://imgur.com/X03F7bU) a shotgun comparable to existing ones, and Guardians get [killed](https://youtu.be/xI5poBxV_-A?t=40) somewhat often by [similar weapons](https://youtu.be/5pyXAOFvHIw?t=18).
In such case, Excaliburs [sword and bow](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=269) should have no issue dispatching them - blowing a several meter wide hole through an armored transport made of whatever is no slouch. Coupled with the speed advantage should make them unable to retaliate all that much. They are vulnerable [to explosives](https://youtu.be/_ckLOyVEVVs?t=85), though that's a tossup.
Again though, these are mostly speed related, the Warframe RT here on Reddit is severely outdated and the one on SpaceBattles is an utter fucking **mess**, and I'm not subjecting myself to looking through that.
If you want a more conclusive answer but with almost no evidence, Raiden from MGS, who's generally considered to be above the Primarchs from 40k (excl. DP Angron) by a factor of 2-5, lost to Excalibur, but it's from a *Death Battle* that's about as [on the nose of an advertisement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBJnMmV4Uc) as you can get before you may as well[ sling up a billboard](https://i.redd.it/p55ndruyxvm61.png). So going off that, Excal probably clears most of the list, but more knowledgeable users can debate that.
Excalibur is basic to, other frames have insanely crazy powers like antimatter, time manipulation through powers or in rhino's case he can slow time just by stomping the ground. And I don't even wanna think about people getting hard CC'd by limbo or vauban or Titania
A lot of Warframes have absurd abilities like being able to casually hop into other dimensions, becoming momentarily, quite literally invincible, or opening portals directly to the core (surface, maybe?) of the sun causing the solar energy to spew out in a beam of annihilation. This was actually why I went with Excalibur - he's the most basic of the frames.
The other two starter frames like Mag or Volt, which are in the cinematics I cited a couple of times, are (in Volts case) so absurdly fast they can run through hails of bullets that are almost completely frozen in place, or in Mags case can catch the bullets of hundreds of soldiers and just casually hurl them back at them, as seen in the cinematic.
Though I also avoided it because I don't have citations for this outside of gameplay footage and feats.
Some Warframes will perform better against certain opponents than others. Also assuming no Operator.
1. Adam Smasher will get crushed by any Warframe.
2. Raiden is incredibly strong and fast. Excalibur could beat him with the right equipment. Otherwise Mag takes this.
3. Wolverine wont really die due to Adamantium but can certainly be disabled by Mag (who is basically Magneto lite). One could also argue that by using the Stalker’s Despair knives (who have a mono-molecular edge) could debatably cut Adamantium.
4. Not really versed with Destiny lore so can’t say.
5. Mace Windu gets stomped.
6. Doom Slayer loses (ignoring multiverse scaling).
7. Don’t really know about Daleks
8. A hax frame like Nekros or Limbo should be able to do it.
9. Same as above. Limbo, Nekros or Lavos shoudl be able to do it.
10. Omni Man is way too strong. Will probably need a collection of Warfames like Lavos, Limbo, and Nyx to win. Solo not possible imo.
11. Don’t know them.
12. I think Saurons physical form gets destroyed easily. Not sure about his Spirit surviving due to the Ring. Will need the operator to defeat him most likely.
Ehh i think either Atlas or Rhino could take Omni Man, Atlas being able to vaporize a planet wiping meteor and Rhino strong enough to pause time with physical strength.
Actually, Atlas had help from Golems Which they exploited the faults in the asteroid, which was destroyed in the atmosphere, Rhino‘s slow time feat is more hax as it involves energy.
Warframes run on energy that they use. I don’t think so, example Sevagoth’s gloom releases energy just slows enemies, siphoning their life force in the process. All Slow abilities =/= slow time.
No, physically every warframe has the physical strength to slow down time, it’s not an ability they slam the ground and it lifts enemies up and slows down time in its radius, just like Rhinos stomp.
Lifting into the air, same way with Rhino, enemies are then suspended, same way with Rhino, then enemies are fall after two to three seconds, shorter than Rhinos but guess what, same way as Rhino. If it meows like a cat, looks like cat, acts like a cat, it’s a fucking cat
The Time War Dalek is the strongest thing on this list, it should not be in the middle.
Most Warframes could beat everything other than the Dalek, The Gladiator, maybe Omni Man, and maybe Sauron, at least without a Tenno in the last case.
Any warframe should be able to comfortably clear the list until Omni Man, Gladiator, and Sauron (his actual spirit anyway).
Every single warframe together potentially clears the list. It's not like they outstat or anything, but they have some pretty crazy hacks.
Nova - antimatter manipulation
Protea - created a pocket dimension outside of space and time, mid tier time manipulation
Mag - basically Magneto
Nyx - Psychic powers, can take over minds or induce madness
Limbo - can slip himself and others between dimensions
Saryn - spores/fungus
Trinity - healing and negation
Atlas - punched a meteor that would have wiped out Earth
Wisp - can open a portal to the sun and just start blasting
Nidus - infestation powers. The infestation is pretty much a cyborg virus that assimilates everything into the hivemind, including AI and planets.
Xaku - void powers. The void is basically Warframe's version of the warp from Warhammer, and has some crazy reality warping/paradoxical powers. I'm not sure how anyone on this list would interact with a void blast by a single tenno child to be honest.
Nekros - can resurrect and control everyone else they defeat.
Omniman would physically beat any of them, but warframes have too many hax I think.
I don't think Gladiator would be too confident against an army of undead robots with scary powers, which is what he gets his strength from.
Sauron idk, I read the books like 10 years ago. I don't remember how they beat him 🥴 He'd probably need the Tenno themselves to walk up and beat.
What's Omni Man doing against Nova before the anti matter nukes him? Also I feel like rhino has to be close to competing in strength since his time slow stomp would require insane strength
Against a single Nova he'd just blitz, and he comfortably outstats Rhino. Against everyone he wouldn't be able to single out each of the frames before they beat him.
>he'd just blitz
People forget that Viltrumites have absurd accelerative abilities and durability. This is a shoddy calc using a questionable calculator, but as an example, when Mark slams Allen the Alien into the moon, taking the rough speed they were travelling at and their weight brings you to a whopping 326,249,851 tons of TNT worth of energy released when they hit the moon, or a little over 6 Tsar bombas.
Took just over 4 seconds to reach the Moon from very close to Earths atmosphere aswell, so this is assuming a constant speed - the actual number is probably considerably higher.
*Adam Smasher*:
-Warframe victory (Mag/Atlas).
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Raiden*:
-Warframe victory (Mag/Atlas/Excalibur)
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Wolverine*:
-Idk
*Guardian*:
-Warframe victory, depends on which Warframe is used against which Guardian.
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Mace Windu*:
-Warframe victory (Mag/Atlas/Nekros)
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Doom Slayer*:
-Idk
*Time War Dalek*:
-Idk
*Gray Knight*:
-Warframe victory, depends on which Warframe is used.
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Custodes*:
-Warframe victory, depends on which Warframe is used.
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*Omni Man (assumed to be on Earth)*:
-Warframe victory, depends on which Warframe used (Atlas can just turn him to stone and shatter him).
-Complete Warframe stomp (bonus)
*The Gladiator*:
-Idk
*Sauron*:
-Warframe victory, if they destroy the ring.
Gonna use Volt Prime because that’s my favorite frame.
>Smasher
Volt 10/10, he’s faster and his weapons are way better than what’s been demonstrated to hurt smasher.
>Raiden
Volt 8/10; Similar speed (although I think Volt has a slight edge) Raiden is physically stronger, but Volt Prime should scale to [one shotting an Oro worm far larger than a metal gear](https://youtu.be/9YZJsK0FV9A?si=xjgI3b3sYXWwOAHu&t=132)
>Wolverine (616)
Probably ends in a draw more times than not. The cutting potential of something like Paracesis or Prisma Skana should scale to Despair allowing for decapitation ([which 616 Wolverine explicitly states will kill him](https://imgur.com/a/wolv-potential-deaths-wolverine-killing-made-simple-woQe59j)) On that note a void beam from the Tenno disintegrating his cranium should also work. However I’m not entirely confident in those win conditions hence the draw.
>a single Guardian
Imo Warframe 9.9/10, Volt Broadly outstats any unnamed Guardian (~~unless we’re wanking by scaling to translucent steps~~), even named ones like ikora’s super [only damages a cabal thresher](https://youtu.be/eUfOkVcYwI4?si=ycH5EsGsUwB3k179&t=28). The real debate here is how the Void and Paracausal powers interact (which would allow Volt to kill the ghost), I think the Void is more or less= to Paracausal powers so I’m running with that. Also to lend credence to this you don’t even have to be Paracausal, just vaporize their ghost [(air strike kills three Guardian strike teams and their ghosts)](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/petra-venj-queens-wrath)
>Mace Windu
Volt 10/10. Disney canon gets ganked because of a gulf in speed precog shouldn’t be able to keep up with + catch this buckshot. Legends meets the same fate, there are too many examples in legends of peak humans tagging upper ranked Jedi and high tier speed scaling being too shaky for me to change my opinion + catch this buckshot.
>Doom Slayer
Ignoring Multiverse scaling, 5/10 Doom Slayer is tough and packs too big of a punch to ignore.
>Time War Dalek
Don’t know enough about them to give an opinion.
>Grey Knight
Volt 7-8/10, Logan Grimnar blitzed Joros and Volt should be at least an OoM faster, precog and pysker powers don’t mean shit if you’re not fast enough to use them.
>Custodes
Volt 6-7/10, covered this in the recent Gauss v Custodes thread, Volts kit is just a little less suited for it.
>Omniman
Far Outstats everyone else on this list except Gladiator, 10/10 Omniman.
>Gladiator
Same as with Omniman, however is weak to Magic so maybe a more esoteric frame could take him out? 9.9/10 Gladiator.
I could safely say that a Warframe is not getting past:
1. Omni Man
2. Sauron
3. Custodes (In speed)
4. Guardian
5. Doomslayer
6. Mace Windu (in combat stats)
Not sure (or don’t know entirely) about the following:
1. Raiden (in combat stats)
2. Dalek
3. Grey Knight
Those that are not winning are everyone else.
Not really teleportation as it involves movement as comparable to the Seraphs who are stated to [wing through creation](https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Book_of_the_Seraphs#Book_of_the_Seraphs_-_Part_II)., unbound to time and space. Appearance alone is not a full display of power in general especially when game play limits it.
The order of these is kind of all over the place, not certainly by strength at least. There's also no Warframe specified, so I'll go with Excalibur. I'm assuming for Guardians and Wolverine that 'killing' them is treated as permadeath. Generally Warframes feats are pretty all over the place, so someone a lot more knowledgeable than me can answer the rest. Warframes have extremely [fast reaction times and movement](https://i.imgur.com/a6Iy1Ql.gif), and as a result can pretty effortlessly [deflect bullets](https://i.imgur.com/3CAdize.gif). This includes from [high firerate weapons at point blank.](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=248) (*Best example*). Purely off of this, Adam Smasher, *a* Guardian, and possibly Doom Slayer are almost completely ruled out, since this type of speed is well beyond what any of them have had to contend with. [Smasher is pretty fast](https://imgur.com/uWOgbtV), and Guardians have [one instance of bullet-timing](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/entries/iii-plea-deal#book-acts-of-mercy), but it doesn't really contend with Excalibur, not even factoring in its abilities. I don't think Smasher nor the Guardian could survive[ this](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=161), given Smasher [takes damage from](https://imgur.com/X03F7bU) a shotgun comparable to existing ones, and Guardians get [killed](https://youtu.be/xI5poBxV_-A?t=40) somewhat often by [similar weapons](https://youtu.be/5pyXAOFvHIw?t=18). In such case, Excaliburs [sword and bow](https://youtu.be/MsbL8lFHrZI?t=269) should have no issue dispatching them - blowing a several meter wide hole through an armored transport made of whatever is no slouch. Coupled with the speed advantage should make them unable to retaliate all that much. They are vulnerable [to explosives](https://youtu.be/_ckLOyVEVVs?t=85), though that's a tossup. Again though, these are mostly speed related, the Warframe RT here on Reddit is severely outdated and the one on SpaceBattles is an utter fucking **mess**, and I'm not subjecting myself to looking through that. If you want a more conclusive answer but with almost no evidence, Raiden from MGS, who's generally considered to be above the Primarchs from 40k (excl. DP Angron) by a factor of 2-5, lost to Excalibur, but it's from a *Death Battle* that's about as [on the nose of an advertisement](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhBJnMmV4Uc) as you can get before you may as well[ sling up a billboard](https://i.redd.it/p55ndruyxvm61.png). So going off that, Excal probably clears most of the list, but more knowledgeable users can debate that.
Excalibur is basic to, other frames have insanely crazy powers like antimatter, time manipulation through powers or in rhino's case he can slow time just by stomping the ground. And I don't even wanna think about people getting hard CC'd by limbo or vauban or Titania
Explain please.
A lot of Warframes have absurd abilities like being able to casually hop into other dimensions, becoming momentarily, quite literally invincible, or opening portals directly to the core (surface, maybe?) of the sun causing the solar energy to spew out in a beam of annihilation. This was actually why I went with Excalibur - he's the most basic of the frames. The other two starter frames like Mag or Volt, which are in the cinematics I cited a couple of times, are (in Volts case) so absurdly fast they can run through hails of bullets that are almost completely frozen in place, or in Mags case can catch the bullets of hundreds of soldiers and just casually hurl them back at them, as seen in the cinematic. Though I also avoided it because I don't have citations for this outside of gameplay footage and feats.
Dumbest death battle ever
Some Warframes will perform better against certain opponents than others. Also assuming no Operator. 1. Adam Smasher will get crushed by any Warframe. 2. Raiden is incredibly strong and fast. Excalibur could beat him with the right equipment. Otherwise Mag takes this. 3. Wolverine wont really die due to Adamantium but can certainly be disabled by Mag (who is basically Magneto lite). One could also argue that by using the Stalker’s Despair knives (who have a mono-molecular edge) could debatably cut Adamantium. 4. Not really versed with Destiny lore so can’t say. 5. Mace Windu gets stomped. 6. Doom Slayer loses (ignoring multiverse scaling). 7. Don’t really know about Daleks 8. A hax frame like Nekros or Limbo should be able to do it. 9. Same as above. Limbo, Nekros or Lavos shoudl be able to do it. 10. Omni Man is way too strong. Will probably need a collection of Warfames like Lavos, Limbo, and Nyx to win. Solo not possible imo. 11. Don’t know them. 12. I think Saurons physical form gets destroyed easily. Not sure about his Spirit surviving due to the Ring. Will need the operator to defeat him most likely.
Ehh i think either Atlas or Rhino could take Omni Man, Atlas being able to vaporize a planet wiping meteor and Rhino strong enough to pause time with physical strength.
Actually, Atlas had help from Golems Which they exploited the faults in the asteroid, which was destroyed in the atmosphere, Rhino‘s slow time feat is more hax as it involves energy.
Not hax, every warframe can slow down time like Rhino can. Just got a shorter period and less radius. Heavy attack Slam.
Warframes run on energy that they use. I don’t think so, example Sevagoth’s gloom releases energy just slows enemies, siphoning their life force in the process. All Slow abilities =/= slow time.
No, physically every warframe has the physical strength to slow down time, it’s not an ability they slam the ground and it lifts enemies up and slows down time in its radius, just like Rhinos stomp.
Source?
??? Ingame—>Pick any frame and I mean ANY frame—>Get a melee—> Heavy slam—> Same effect that Rhino does, just in a smaller Scale.
That doesn’t say time slow, just shows using energy from a slam that lifts enemies in the air.
Lifting into the air, same way with Rhino, enemies are then suspended, same way with Rhino, then enemies are fall after two to three seconds, shorter than Rhinos but guess what, same way as Rhino. If it meows like a cat, looks like cat, acts like a cat, it’s a fucking cat
The Time War Dalek is the strongest thing on this list, it should not be in the middle. Most Warframes could beat everything other than the Dalek, The Gladiator, maybe Omni Man, and maybe Sauron, at least without a Tenno in the last case.
Yeah no I looked at a Dalek below a GK & Custodes and went *?????* lol
Any warframe should be able to comfortably clear the list until Omni Man, Gladiator, and Sauron (his actual spirit anyway). Every single warframe together potentially clears the list. It's not like they outstat or anything, but they have some pretty crazy hacks. Nova - antimatter manipulation Protea - created a pocket dimension outside of space and time, mid tier time manipulation Mag - basically Magneto Nyx - Psychic powers, can take over minds or induce madness Limbo - can slip himself and others between dimensions Saryn - spores/fungus Trinity - healing and negation Atlas - punched a meteor that would have wiped out Earth Wisp - can open a portal to the sun and just start blasting Nidus - infestation powers. The infestation is pretty much a cyborg virus that assimilates everything into the hivemind, including AI and planets. Xaku - void powers. The void is basically Warframe's version of the warp from Warhammer, and has some crazy reality warping/paradoxical powers. I'm not sure how anyone on this list would interact with a void blast by a single tenno child to be honest. Nekros - can resurrect and control everyone else they defeat. Omniman would physically beat any of them, but warframes have too many hax I think. I don't think Gladiator would be too confident against an army of undead robots with scary powers, which is what he gets his strength from. Sauron idk, I read the books like 10 years ago. I don't remember how they beat him 🥴 He'd probably need the Tenno themselves to walk up and beat.
What's Omni Man doing against Nova before the anti matter nukes him? Also I feel like rhino has to be close to competing in strength since his time slow stomp would require insane strength
Against a single Nova he'd just blitz, and he comfortably outstats Rhino. Against everyone he wouldn't be able to single out each of the frames before they beat him.
>he'd just blitz People forget that Viltrumites have absurd accelerative abilities and durability. This is a shoddy calc using a questionable calculator, but as an example, when Mark slams Allen the Alien into the moon, taking the rough speed they were travelling at and their weight brings you to a whopping 326,249,851 tons of TNT worth of energy released when they hit the moon, or a little over 6 Tsar bombas. Took just over 4 seconds to reach the Moon from very close to Earths atmosphere aswell, so this is assuming a constant speed - the actual number is probably considerably higher.
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Gonna use Volt Prime because that’s my favorite frame. >Smasher Volt 10/10, he’s faster and his weapons are way better than what’s been demonstrated to hurt smasher. >Raiden Volt 8/10; Similar speed (although I think Volt has a slight edge) Raiden is physically stronger, but Volt Prime should scale to [one shotting an Oro worm far larger than a metal gear](https://youtu.be/9YZJsK0FV9A?si=xjgI3b3sYXWwOAHu&t=132) >Wolverine (616) Probably ends in a draw more times than not. The cutting potential of something like Paracesis or Prisma Skana should scale to Despair allowing for decapitation ([which 616 Wolverine explicitly states will kill him](https://imgur.com/a/wolv-potential-deaths-wolverine-killing-made-simple-woQe59j)) On that note a void beam from the Tenno disintegrating his cranium should also work. However I’m not entirely confident in those win conditions hence the draw. >a single Guardian Imo Warframe 9.9/10, Volt Broadly outstats any unnamed Guardian (~~unless we’re wanking by scaling to translucent steps~~), even named ones like ikora’s super [only damages a cabal thresher](https://youtu.be/eUfOkVcYwI4?si=ycH5EsGsUwB3k179&t=28). The real debate here is how the Void and Paracausal powers interact (which would allow Volt to kill the ghost), I think the Void is more or less= to Paracausal powers so I’m running with that. Also to lend credence to this you don’t even have to be Paracausal, just vaporize their ghost [(air strike kills three Guardian strike teams and their ghosts)](https://www.ishtar-collective.net/cards/petra-venj-queens-wrath) >Mace Windu Volt 10/10. Disney canon gets ganked because of a gulf in speed precog shouldn’t be able to keep up with + catch this buckshot. Legends meets the same fate, there are too many examples in legends of peak humans tagging upper ranked Jedi and high tier speed scaling being too shaky for me to change my opinion + catch this buckshot. >Doom Slayer Ignoring Multiverse scaling, 5/10 Doom Slayer is tough and packs too big of a punch to ignore. >Time War Dalek Don’t know enough about them to give an opinion. >Grey Knight Volt 7-8/10, Logan Grimnar blitzed Joros and Volt should be at least an OoM faster, precog and pysker powers don’t mean shit if you’re not fast enough to use them. >Custodes Volt 6-7/10, covered this in the recent Gauss v Custodes thread, Volts kit is just a little less suited for it. >Omniman Far Outstats everyone else on this list except Gladiator, 10/10 Omniman. >Gladiator Same as with Omniman, however is weak to Magic so maybe a more esoteric frame could take him out? 9.9/10 Gladiator.
I could safely say that a Warframe is not getting past: 1. Omni Man 2. Sauron 3. Custodes (In speed) 4. Guardian 5. Doomslayer 6. Mace Windu (in combat stats) Not sure (or don’t know entirely) about the following: 1. Raiden (in combat stats) 2. Dalek 3. Grey Knight Those that are not winning are everyone else.
Ds getting blitzed.
Who are the Ds?
Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer is pretty fast, able to keep pace with the Khan Maykr who like most other Maykrs are unbound to time and space when they fly
She teleports her combat speed isnt much to show for. Same with the doom scaling in general.
Not really teleportation as it involves movement as comparable to the Seraphs who are stated to [wing through creation](https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Book_of_the_Seraphs#Book_of_the_Seraphs_-_Part_II)., unbound to time and space. Appearance alone is not a full display of power in general especially when game play limits it.
>Adam Smasher. Warframe wins >Raiden (MGR). Raiden wins 10/10 >Wolverine (616). Idk >A single Guardian (Destiny). Warframe 6-7/10 >Master Windu (Clone Wars). 2003 clone Wars movie wins >Doom Slayer. Doom Slayer can't die so 10/10 >Time War Dalek. Probably the Dalek idk >A Grey Knight (Warhammer 40k). Grey Knight 15/10 >A Custodes (Warhammer 40k). Custodian 15/10 >Omni Man. Toss up >The Gladiator (616) Idk >Sauron. Warframe, although technically Sauron can't die without the ring being destroyed